Developers can learn a lot from NFS High Stakes! | KuruHS

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[@KuruHS]

Early Access to Forza Motorsport 8 today!! www.twitch.tv/kuruhs

[@Theodorenoise.]

FIRST

[@NJDJ1986]

FM8 lets gooo

[@C.A._Old]

*Nostalgia Union. :-D :-)

[@tturi2]

Is there a way to add every regions cars and tracks?

[@kamikaze4172]

I think the problem nowadays is that companies are trying to get these games out too fast, focused on looks and money. Back then, it wasn't "let's make it look really good, and people will eat out of our hands." In NFS's case, it was about the cars and handling, the experience, and the fun. The first game struck me as a playable car magazine. Now it's the new maps, the looks, the details, new handling, things like that. There's no passion in the games cause it's a money grab in extreme time constraints

[@Victor_2000s]

EA destroyed every franchise that they created.

[@Journey_Awaits]

The difference back then it was a lot more personal, in a typical game there was a small team with little restrictions or budgeting. Now everything needs 300 staff members, 499 million in budgeting and any decisions need to be argued by 20 Karens to make sure it’s not offensive and then presented to a board to make sure they won’t be loosing a nickel in profit because they really need a new yacht. That and back in the day all the tech stuff was pretty brutal to work with, either you master it or you do not touch it, like actually working on expensive cars, there was no slacking like today with KZbin tutorials and half assed degrees or affirmative action.

[@felipefreitas8711]

yes and no because NFS has a year based release since forever. Making good games is harder on modern days, the standards are too high, if EA release a game that is just modern high stakes people would complain a lot because it looks dated.

[@kamikaze4172]

@@felipefreitas8711 That's a massive part of it, too

[@Theforzacrew916]

EA Games where your money is being abused and our games are going to hell

[@Rafagafanhotobra]

Now that's a point that I haven't seen being spoke by anyone else - the old school devs for these games were, to an extent, car enthusiasts themselves. It takes not only research about car culture and what's trending to make a game sucessful and memorable, but passion itself. Things like racing a Mercedes SLK or Porsche 356 on mountain roads don't sound exciting or fun for a videogame anymore for a general audience, that has been taken overby 1000 HP drift supras and Bugattis on Rocket Bunny bodykits. But those oldschool guys made it feel just great and challenging. Last time we felt anything similar to that was on the last NFSHP.

[@Victor_2000s]

No, the last one with that theme was Porsche Unleashed and Hot Pursuit 2, sadly EA put EA Canada (the developers of the 90s NFS) to create only sport games while Black Box turned into the developer of NFS.

[@longtailgt]

Have you not seen classic NFS videos on YT? There are many of us who've been saying this. One of the main points that made the first six titles so great was that the people working on these games genuinely loved cars, and that passion shows itself throughout the game, in the design, the car showcases and all the little details that only car enthusiasts would notice. Just watch the High Stakes BMW M5 showcase video and tell me it doesn't make you emotional. NFS lost this flair after 2002.

[@NXT_LVL]

Every time people talk about the "classic NFS Games" they only go as far back as Underground 1. Yet HS proved way back EA is capable of building on a game with doing minor effort. Soundtrack alone in High Stakes is prime NFS

[@NFSMAN50]

NFS High Stakes, major nostalgia right here!!!! The classic NFS games were amazing. I grew up playing High Stakes, Porsche Unleashed, NFS 3, NFS 2 and Hot Pursuit 2 back in the day!!! All amazing and wonderful games!!

[@ecek4671]

High Stakes on PS One was absolutely liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!

[@wieldylattice3015]

12:02 one explanation, less polygons. One of the most time consuming parts of making a game is making models and assets. As technology advanced, you could have more polygons in a game, which made games better looking, but also exponentially increased the time it took to develop a game. They worked faster back then because the limits of computers of the time prevented them from having to work with the insane level of detail were now used to

[@sebastianaliandkulche]

Pink slips should return. Interestingly enough, MW and Carbon had it as well but there was no risk for the player. I want it back again like it was in High Stakes.

[@zef9151]

Watch millennials cry the fk out of it when they lose their car if this ever returns

[@trexindominus8119]

@@zef9151 *Late Gen Z/Gen Alpha

[@cenanmehmet]

not millennials 🖕🖕🤬🤬 i grow up with NFS 3 and 4 ​@@zef9151

[@wieldylattice3015]

I think something that can be very important to the development of a racing game is the quality of the team and them being able to communicate and get things done together, my example being Forza Horizon 5. Forza Horizon 5s live service structure and monthly updates allowed us to this in action. Until about update 19, FH5 still had the creative director from the original Horizon game, and a lot of OG crew. Around that time, the community complained about tons of recycled content from FH4 and features being outdated (like photo mode). Then around the time of update 19, some of the original developers of Forza Horizon left. After that happened, the photo mode was finally upgraded, Eventlab was beefed up, a deal with Stellantis and Fiat was finally agreed upon, bringing back Alfa Romeo and Lancia and Fiat, the developers finally started taking hints from modders on how to improve the game, and random stupid bugs were finally being dealt with. Obviously FH5 still has an ass load of problems, but as soon as the development team was better focused and coordinated due to no longe having to deal with uncooperative members, Forza Horizon 5 was finally able to start crawling it’s way out of hell. I suspect there’s a similar issue with other racing games where the team isn’t quite where it needs to be in terms of group coordination. Thanks for coming to my stupid FH5 themed TED talk

[@a_p_vox]

Met NFS franchise with the first Hot Pursuit on PS1. Although I was captivated by Underground 2 when I met it on PC for the first time. For both games, I did never mind graphics that much, so what I think it's WAY MORE important for me on a video game... is the physics!

[@Geonaute2]

It's crazy how this ps1 game has features nowadays games don't have

[@kinger41]

Best classic NFS game, no competition. Underrated as shit compared to any of the future games as well imo.

[@MKR3238]

and has aged pretty gracefully imo

[@Lightningchaser92]

High Stakes was my childhood NFS! I miss this game so much!

[@xzraiderzx308]

12:50 genrally it's gotten much more complicated purely due to scale. It's harder to cram functionality into an engine that doesn't fundamentally support it than it is to rebuild an engine surrounding the games mechanics. Game developers back in the day had much more influence on the underlying coding of an engine, similiar to CGI, but nowadays both industries rely a lot on massive libraries of pre-determined presets and tools. It isn't a necessary for modern game devs to also simultaneously be engine/ tech devs like before, so they can't shape a game around their vision as easily. And not mentioning the other issues surrounding creative freedom and crunch as well.

[@K3ntucky123]

Also, what special about getting crash into the wall in arcade games is that the camera shakes on the impact which makes it more immersive and intense because the feel of getting crash into it, many racing games dont do even that most today

[@wieldylattice3015]

12:58 on a technical level, yes. Exponentially bigger polygon counts, more calculations, and Unbound is in the age of ray tracing, which means individual rays of light. Not only that, I believe the weird handling NFS games have nowadays is because of that complexity. They’re trying to make a drift friendly handling model, but it’s so over complex that it ends up falling flat on its face

[@supermaster2012]

That's just more artist time, has nothing to do with programming gameplay. Also, all those graphical features are handled by Frostbyte, which has a dedicated development team at DICE Stockholm.

[@SovietGrazz]

THIS IS THE BEST NFS GAME OF ALL TIME, HANDS DOWN.

[@xavierpanohaya2647]

And the best OST of any game with engines shown on them

[@bhcamaro2002]

Need For Speed at it's peak! 👍

[@depressingNicolai-sv8ky]

THIS is the game that i'd pay 20$ for, and not that new one EA made

[@NaufalHS]

I don't care about Most Wanted a little but this game is much better as it wasn't having open world that time yet and still like the first three OG NFS games from 1994-1998 and the other three were also damn good and so nostalgic. So far I had been revisit this game and NFS II SE like two years ago and the memories have gotten back to me. Haven't tried out NFS III HP but will gladly hoping to try some time and pissed off that I used to hear people says play this game only as it has tracks from the third NFS game but for me I still like this game and even the third one besides so many NFS games in later years...

[@taekan625]

HFS High Stakes was a really good purchase back in the day. While I played the Playstation 1 version of it, it was damn fun and very challenging. Having to go through tournaments trying not to damage your car and winning races meant something, and that was consistency and knowing how to play. The fact that you can't restart the race and have to play well throughout the tournament made this even more important. Making an error in endgame possibly meant restartiing the whole tounament if too many mistakes were made. The endurance races were tough, and I loved the last ones as they were a real test.

[@juaja1]

Editor blessing us with his C E O mindset at the end of the video

[@Anigaming-dz5gh]

USE THE STOCKS! INVEST! BECOME THE THREE TRIAGONS

[@JoeySmith101]

Pretty sure this game on the PS1 was the first racing game I ever played

[@Dav4iks]

It was first game that hooked me to the nfs series

[@CreamTipBanana]

Same remeber the Oh Yeah car

[@Dav4iks]

@@CreamTipBanana was it called titan or something like that?

[@CreamTipBanana]

@@Dav4iks i can't remember its name i haven't played the game for like 17 or 18 years but the Oh Yeah horn is just stuck in my head for all these years Edit: i googled it and yes you are correct its called Titan

[@demon-x3250]

Ah my first nfs game, specifically the ps1 version Though i mostly crashed the bmw z3 into trains in that one track, but i remember my mom playing it alot and i remember her having a grey z06 with stripes and a black 911 with gold rims. And that i think i messed up the control setups at some point

[@rafahrynkiewicz8274]

Menu music in High Stakes was truly brilliant

[@Jeddix]

The grinding of the cars on the ground haunted me in my dreams back in 1999.

[@blakedmc1989RaveHD]

same

[@Jeddix]

nice try spammer guy

[@dandrelowery3714]

In discussions with the engine in question, EA really needs to put more funding and resources into overhauling frostbite completely so it can be more reliable and very well flexible upon usage. Mass Effect, Anthem, and Need for Speed are struggling especially Battlefield, the very game the engine was built for with features that of fully interactive destructible environment and housing many players in a big enough map, with this undercooked engine that should’ve been main priority after transitioning it as the proprietary engine. It’s impossible to swap engines in the middle of development as that eats more time and resources to relearn and redo everything from ground up.

[@TheAnimationEz]

my favorite game of ALL TIME , my first PC game , my first NFS game , never forgot it

[@tacospartan]

The upgrade from 2d interiors in hot pursuit to 3d interiors blew my mind as a young lad. One of the best sequels out there!

[@Yngdady]

Prevent as much suspension damage by letting off the gas before jumps and while in the air

[@zef9151]

Sure but AI don't do it and you'll have a problem

[@bs_blackscout]

One of the best soundtracks in NFS

[@Ren_1090]

6:01 me at the end of every month

[@aloneinthelight7754]

I have played Need For Speed High Stakes for ps1 throughout my life, and currently, I'm attempting to complete the PC version. Graphically, the PC version of the game is stunning. However, I have some reservations about the tournaments. In the PlayStation 1 version, you play two tournaments for each car class, and with every new class, a new road is added. In contrast, the PC version makes all the roads available from the beginning, and you simply play 10 tournaments with the same cars. I encountered a similar issue with Porsche Unleashed on PC. The ERA concept on the PlayStation 1 is superior. On PS1, the songs, the menu theme, and the cars are all era-based. When you change the era, it feels like an entirely new game each time, even the menu undergoes changes. Nostalgia hit me hard as I experienced this.

[@tunder975]

Those old memories of playing this game as a kid when it was wow new game.... no worries, no brains, no commitments 😊

[@luisortega8085]

honestly i think that if criterion had been able to complete their mw2 concept, the game would've been pretty kino. most things about the gameplay of the final game scream rushed to me

[@blakedmc1989RaveHD]

my 1st NFS game

[@j377yb33n]

I always forget about kuru's galaxy brain takes sometimes

[@tturi2]

The menu music in this game is in every need for speed in some form

[@groozst]

I actually want a prostreet/dirt 2 kinds of racing again. The problem with the festivals like Horizon and Motorfest is the festival itself is pretty boring. Where are bands like Pierce The Veil and Sum 41? Sure electronic music is cool but no way it'll fit racing genre better than rock and metal sub genres. And no announcers! Even Grid had announcers. Where the hell are the announcers hyping the player and the crowd up??

[@cope3555]

1:14 its was a mercedes interior

[@KR000SIS]

I find myself casually playing this game a lot on my free time because it’s just such an enjoyable racing experience.

[@mzeesh2006]

The only Need for Speed that I would love to see a remaster of and not see a remaster of at the same time because I have a feeling that they might f*** it up somewhere while doing so.

[@supermaster2012]

Black box didn't create the MW engine, it's a commercial engine called Renderware that EA owned.

[@KuruHS]

pretty sure the used the EAGL engine

[@supermaster2012]

@@KuruHS EAGL is a fork of Renderware, the same way GoldSrc was a fork of the Quake 2 engine

[@Kevin-sg8jq]

i played all the old school nfs games on the PS1, and it blows my mind that the PC versions are different games

[@flashrocket9158]

Hey, I would enjoy a NFS game that looked like Auto Modellista on the PS2, Xbox and GameCube. I have to tell you, that game from 2002 looks better than most racing games today.

[@WindBendsSteel]

I sure did learn a lot from it!

[@medardoochoa2843]

My favorite NFS 👍

[@SpencersStuff1777]

I played the ps1 version all the time. The game is stellar still

[@juzaviewer578]

18:46 Agree, I don't mind about graphic if the gameplay is superb, and I just want to run my game on my potato PC XD

[@afhamdanish1957]

I never play old nfs i mean really old nfs game because went i was a kid i only have PS2 and the first racing game i ever play was underground 1 i just grew up with black box era but this old nfs look fun i really wanna try this old nfs and this game was really pretty to see

[@Victor_2000s]

You can try with a PC or using emulators on cellphone.

[@afhamdanish1957]

@@Victor_2000s I think I better try with pc but other way thanks to give some information

[@cope3555]

0:52 that is a bmw interior in a mercedes slk

[@nj.026]

Thank god i found this comment, searched for it a while🥲

[@CYON4D]

NFS4 is my favorite game of the series.

[@C.A._Old]

*Nostalgia Union. :-D :-)

[@phosphore7991]

Hi, You don't use modded HD map?

[@orest395]

This reminds me of Porsche unleashed, though that game looked better with a better ui

[@anpesx]

Does anyone know the name of the inhouse game engine EA used for nfshs? I know they started using EAGL (EA Graphics Library) for underground 1, but i couldn't find any information for nfs games before that.

[@susangoaway]

What other franchises are fine?

[@Jason_Silent]

High stakes looks so stable and non-buggy, so Kuru just make a podcast about nfs things, like those split screen videos on social media

[@LaseanEightyFo]

Mad Respect Kuru i keep telling these 2000 babies that the best nfs is NOT underground 😂 just has the most freedom with customization

[@hstd6604]

i played the very first nfs games growing up, underground 2 is objectively peak nfs.

[@henrik4072]

The best one is Hot Pursuit 2

[@FiatUno2003]

@@hstd6604 If Underground 2 is peak NFS, I don't even want to see what isn't 💀

[@ixillentnoferfly7783]

The fact that Blackbox still makes a better game using the Frostbite engine in a small given amount of time is a huge indication of a skill issue on criterion devs

[@laelles660]

Ayy my comment on stream made it to the video and sparked a huge conversation. Hello mom im famous now!

[@golfindolphin5625]

DADDY KURU!!!

[@Theodorenoise.]

Tf

[@davidsiatatgaming]

0:55 Why is there a bmw interior in a mercedes?

[@Victor_2000s]

He changed the cars, doesn't are the same.

[@kentheureyfadrigo1427]

Hi kiru

[@khalidhusna5227]

Hey kuruhs can you play burnout legend? I never seen you play that burnout

[@jkliao6486]

I think it also has sth to do with people don't care about cars any more. Of course anyone under this video still likes car, but barely anyone turn the head on your car even if it's a really cool one, like a high performance vehicle. Without an audience, I can see how literally nobody in the development team can get what people playing racing games really want, namely more fun rather than more realistic.

[@Ajay-hp7gw]

11:15 but the sequel of MW is Carbon no???

[@Darktotaled]

lore wise carbon is both prologue and epilogue of most wanted

[@RocketEightEight]

How do you play High Stakes on a modern pc? I tried with windows 10, doesn't work with nglide and all that shit

[@Darktotaled]

i can play with win10. your problem is probably somewhere else

[@Victor_2000s]

You need install with the patches from KZbin, i do the same and the game worked on my brother's PC.

[@luisortega8085]

and regarding development, you can blame: publisher, investors, and managers.

[@bradfordthefish3863]

Going to jail for that thumbnail

[@albertusaswin2012]

Car: Mercedes SLK Steering wheel logo: BMW Ok

[@taquegaming8555]

LA NINA And LA NINÕ Of NFSHP3 & NFSHS (PC) Are Same Car. But It Doesn't Handling Skill.

[@Victor_2000s]

*El Nino.

[@sebastianaliandkulche]

Even if they look almost the same i think they have slighty differences. I think El Niño handling is slighty worst but is faster than La Niña.

[@duanJ_aka_wfoundry]

Why don't you use the #WeWantNFS on your videos?

[@father042]

The final tournament of champions in this game is real bullshit

[@Rockport1911]

Racing games are " mid" these days, Motorfest didnt hit me, Forza Motorsport 8 has doesnt seem special. I have hopes for TDU SC but Iam already adding nostalgia hype to it :) Ther will never be any real crash physics like ProStreet or GRID, car makers just wont allow that, can put as many disclaimers on startup as you want. They could however implement some basic roll and spin mechanics when hitting stuff instead of stopping a fast car dead on a wall like nothing happens. Going thru stone walls and small trees like in FHorizon or these " explosing guardrails in Unbound without any penalty is just dumb.

[@RiC3R69]

NiC3

[@1988Demien]

This one and Porsche best NFS games. Diablo isn't super car...

[@Journey_Awaits]

It’s funny the game looks so much worse than ps1 yet it’s still better in content. The cars are just jellybeans instead of actual cars lol. In regards to the Diablo interior, the SV is the stripped down car, in the Vt the interior was much thicker and more inviting.

[@MidnightApex-ml6jc]

What do you mean it doesn't look worse you're being blinded by nostalgia.

[@julijanmatusan9050]

For me worst game is forza. But nfs heat is best if they add customization and cars from unbound it will be amazing game

[@DL_LSR]

💀💀💀. Bro doesn't understand how game development works, xd. You can watch some videos about "Baldur's Gate is anomaly" incident. Idk about foreign community, but in CIS youtube there is some good videos about this topic which can help people like Kuru understand situation in industry. You can also read some books like "Press Reset: Ruin and Recovery in the video game industry" from Jason Schreier, or other books about how games developes. If you cant get it on your own.

[@G4bri3lBatista]

I prefer the ps1 version of this game