Devilbiss DV1 C2 Clear Cap & Base B Cap Review Spraying A Motorcycle Tank

Devilbiss DV1 Base and Clear with different to standard caps, most people have the B+ and C1 caps, this is a run-through on what i see as the differences, hope you enjoy the video
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[@shaqhobson5074]

i like watching videos from people like you. even thou you dont have a big following you still make videos regularly.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thank you Shaq 👍

[@watchthisspacecarchannel6523]

Wow that looked like a really nice finish, well done mate !! By the way sorry I didn't post the pic of that mini gun I showed you on insta, The only time I get to myself these days are the wee hours of the morning , but I'll get to it as soon as I can , cheers for now

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi buddy, no worries, just send it through when you can, be interesting to see if it's the same as mine. Yeah, the finish was really nice, very flat for the clear and much faster than the C1 cap which is what i was trying to get over, cheers mate 👍

[@mreightytwenty8709]

Nice one Pete. Just got myself a new mini gun,,,,,,Star EVO-T-106TF Mini Spray Gun 1.2 mm. Very low pressure , very little over spray to. Working well so far, loving it.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi buddy, not familiar with that one but sounds like your enjoying it, i must admit I'm rather enjoying the low pressure guns, recently picked up a Wider1L which is the new version of the LPH101, haven't used it yet but will be today, cheers mate, take care in NZ, your summer is on it's way 👍

[@chrisyoung5275]

Great video! Wasn't aware that they offered another air cap for the DV1 base gun. Been thinking about getting the C2 air cap for my DV1 clear gun.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Chris, When the DV1 base first came out they only did one cap although in all the literature they showed two, they were just a bit slow releasing the second one, they did exactly the same with the clear gun, showed two caps but keep the second one for later. The C2 cap makes it a very different gun, much faster which many will like, appreciate the comments, cheers buddy 👍

[@Mufasa1v1er]

@@peteshobbies5383 which would you recommend or the best base cost finishes for painting cars

[@peteshobbies5383]

@Zapsi Hi buddy, If it's solvent base i would say the B+ cap, if it's waterbourn paint i would say the B cap, having said that both will work well but the B cap uses loads of air

[@casperchea7865]

When manufacturers say hvlp uses less air they need to make it clear to customers in that hvlp aircaps does use less air at the cap to atomize the paint but it requires loads more volume of air at the inlet. HVLP Meaning it needs Higher Volume of air, to create Lower pressure at the aircap, hence why hvlp spraying distance is about an inch closer than conventional aircaps. Lower aircap pressure provides less paint atomization bounce back therefore increases the transfer efficiency by maybe a few percentage points.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Casper, yes, the air consumption is much higher and i really can't see where manufacturers get there figures from, Devilbiss say the B cap uses less air than the TE20 cap which is absolute rubbish, it uses way more and very much more than the TE10 cap 👍

[@casperchea7865]

I also own a Dv1 with both hvlp and the B+ aircaps in 1.0, 1.2 & 1.3 size tips. I have done testing on both aircaps and I do find that the hvlp does use slightly less paint than the B+ in terms of needing 1 less coat for full coverage that is. But really it all depends on your application technique, your pressures, distance from the panel and how tight and consistent of your overlapping. The smaller tip size you use the less material it puts out however if you find that it is not wetting the panel enough then you need to tighten your overlaps instead of normally 50% go 70 or even 90% overlap and you can even close up the fan around half or to one full turn.

[@casperchea7865]

@@peteshobbies5383 I forgot to reply to your previous response about air consumption compared to the TE20, well if the manufacturer did say that the B cap uses less air (Hvlp) than the TE20 then yes technically its true because all Hvlp caps are standardised to not have more than 1 bar blowing out their designed aircap otherwise it doesn't meet the Hvlp requirements for accreditation. They just failed to mention that due to the inherent design of hvlp caps the gun required more air volume. Also Bigger holes on the horns means that loss in air velocity and due to fluid dynamics regarding atomisation to get finer atomisation you need more velocity and to increase velocity your need smaller holes like the TE20. Have you noticed all aircaps for clear coats are virtually all compliant and not hvlp? Not saying you can't use hvlp for clear but to get less peel you need to crank the air up and then your no longer hvlp compliant LOL... having said all that you need to see what air measurement scale they used to measure the air volume for the aircaps, was is CFM or SCFM? Anyways this is getting too long, but to me I find all this stuff fascinating.

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@casperchea7865 Hi Casper, The information i have which is official Devilbiss sales brochures state the Gti Pro Lite or Tekna Pro Lite uses, this is in metric, TE20 350 LPM, TE10 275 LPM, HV30 465 LPM. The DV1 Base is B 400 LPM and B+ 300 LPM. i did have a HV30 and i have a gut feeling it used around the same as the B cap which is a lot but certainly both the B series caps use more air than the trans tech TE caps although Devilbiss claim less for the B+ over the TE20. I have indeed noticed almost without exception that manufacturers recommended clear coat caps and not HVLP the reason for which i think is what you have said, you need smaller holes to increase the velocity of the air for finer atomisation. I have recently got a Iwata Wider1L which is a midi gun, just a newer version of the LPH 101 true HVLP, it's runs at 1.2 bar at the inlet and is a very good spraygun, it's not as good with clear as some but is certainly acceptable, what is noticeable is the almost complete lack of any overspray, it really is noticeable by it absence , cheers buddy 👍

[@casperchea7865]

In my opinion I tend to not take their claims at face value because unless I know their testing methodology and I can replicate the results but I think when it comes to spray guns or aircaps there is just so many variables at play here. Do we know if they test all the aircaps at the Max psi against each other? Also just because every gun is different in terms of the internal airway passage designs , baffle plate air channel plays a big role and also the size of the holes on the nozzle and shape of the nozzles head all play a role In a guns restrictions to how much air flow each different gun requires to give its rated specification the dvi may require less psi at the inlet for the aircap to reach 26psi compared to pro lite hv30 or vice versa or any other gun and air cap combination. However I do agree with you that the hv30 and dv1b do sound very similar indeed but I do remember that whenever I set up my diaphragm pressure regulator so that it's 1.5bar at around 90% open on the guns cheater valve on the dv1 and then when I change my spray gun over to my pro lite hv30 I have to increase the psi at the diaphragm regulator in order for it to be able to crank up to the same 1.5bar at the gun. So what that tells me is that it does definitely use more than dv1 so yeah. Sometimes the job I'm doing requires 3 guns which I keep at the same time in the booth and I have to change back and forth and having to adjust the regulator all the time is annoying, so what I did was put a 1/4" mini diaphragm regulator on the Y piece on my devilbiss pro 650v on my belt not on the end of the spray gun hose as I don't want twin regulator right at the bottom of my gun LOL, your probly thinking why not have the pressure open up much higher and just close up the cheater valve on each gun? Well I've found that having the pressure at the diaphragm regulator set alot higher than say 60psi I have to deal with pressure dropping due to our other workshop employees using the air. I just felt like the more I can control the variables in painting the less chance I have to deal with issues. You see I always paint base coat at the lowest pressure it will take the aircap to atomise it to an acceptable level, reason is that you use less paint material coz of less overspray, and sometimes all it takes is 0.2 pressure drop and it's spraying out chunky. I was looking at wider4 last week on ebay but I ended up buying a ls400 entech instead coz of all the good reviews out there and also I head it uses less material 😅. Anyways I'm still waiting in anticipation for it but since covid postage services is so agonisingly slow...

[@deanbrown7643]

Another pleasingly good result Pete still love my gti prolite 👍👍👍👍👍

[@peteshobbies5383]

Cheers mate, just wanted tell people how different these caps are, especially on the DV1 Clear, makes it a totally different tool, cheers buddy 👍

[@deanbrown7643]

@@peteshobbies5383 will probably steer towards the dv1 range when I retire after your reviews on different settings but that's In a year's time but will carry on watching your gun reviews to find out your honest unbiased oppinion simply because you've got ocd when it comes to paint guns lol 😂😂😂😂

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@deanbrown7643 They do preform well, i really can't see how they charge so much more for them than the Pro Lites, they are very similar build quality, i hear people say the DV1 is much better build but i can't see that personally and the Pro lite sprays the same now as it's always done which is really good, so yeah, make ya mind up when you retire, you won't be disappointed with either but one puts a bigger hole in your pockets 😉 👍

[@deanbrown7643]

@@peteshobbies5383 Pete having used devilbis products all my working life I'm comfortable with that brand juat thinking ahead of time will the prolite be obsolete in a year's time? ??? Who knows bud

[@deanbrown7643]

Just don't want to buy a range of guns I can't get parts for in the future 😢😢😢

[@hillbillycustom1730]

Thanks mate great video

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thanks buddy, much appreciated 👍

[@SundownBlazer]

Looks great like that color. I just got the Dv1s (smart repair) going to give it a try I don't need it just buying tools etc is my addiction lol.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Ha Buddy, sounds like me 😂, i love tools, what I've heard about the DV1s is all good, i will get one soon, wasn't going to but guess I'll have too, you know what it's like😬, be interesting to know what you think of it, did you go for the S1 or S2 cap out of interest?

[@SundownBlazer]

@@peteshobbies5383 Just sent you a few pictures on IG .

[@peteshobbies5383]

Yep, got them buddy, I've replied 👍

[@casperchea7865]

I picked a dv1s up about 2 half weeks ago, it's a great little gun comes with 2 different size tips and has a big fan for a mini gun. I only wish they made a mini digital pod gauge like its older sibling.

[@peteshobbies5383]

The DV1s is next on my shopping list along with a Sagola Mini Xtreme, did you go for the S1 or S2 cap on the DV1s?

[@king199m]

Hi pete you rate the c2 over the c1 one then? Also what brand of basecoat was it like of a model of car? Love the colour thankyou

[@king199m]

Also what tip you using?

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Joe, yes, i prefer the C2 cap simply because it's faster, i can't fault the finish on either to be fair but the C2 cap has a wetter slightly smaller pattern so allows to to got faster, for this the base is a 1.2 and the clear is a 1.3, this is a custom colour from Nuagain paints, there's an ebay link here, it is a fantastic colour especially as it's just a two stage base and clear, cheers 👍 www.ebay.co.uk/itm/332016220977?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338722076&customid=&toolid=10050

[@king199m]

@@peteshobbies5383 thankyou for getting back to me 🙏

[@peteshobbies5383]

Your welcome Joe 👍

[@JohnWD40TC02]

Fantastic finish on the tank Pete that colour is amazing and is on my todo list but just paid out £340 for my car tax (soddin SLK put's out more emissions than a tractor 😠) plus MOT is in two weeks! 😭😂 Anyway have to agree with everything you said about the DV1's there is no way I could use those air caps along with my air fed mask as my compressor would probably blow another gasket! 😁 the air caps I have are ideal for what I do and give me a good finish but I can see the caps you were using put out more material especially the base gun it looks a lot wetter than the cap I have. Have you ever tried using the DV1 clear at a lower pressure on the digital gauge? I've gone down to 1.2bar and still get a great finish with maybe a little more peel but it's hardly noticeable 👍

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi John, no, only really used the clear gun for clear at around 1.4 to 1.5 on the digital gauge which is 2 bar at the base, i have recently done a video using the clear gun for both base and clear, just to show people it can do both if they only want/afford one gun and i turned it down to 1.3 which was much better for solvent base. Out of interest, 2 bar at the base with the B cap on the clear gun only shows 1.0 bar on the digital gauge which is what Devilbiss say it should read. As i say in the video, I'm am starting to think true HVLP is more for waterbourn than solvent but I'm still working on that, hopefully i got across how different the C2 cap is to the C1, i will do a back to back video when i can but it needs to be more or less the same item so people can see the difference in speed, certainly more of a difference than Sata O and I, cheers mate 👍

[@JohnWD40TC02]

Hey Pete, I saw a video somewhere where he was using the B cap and like you he was using 1bar on the digital gauge but he thought that he was spraying at ultra low pressures boasting that the DV1 is the only gun in the world that can spray base at 1bar 🙄 if he took the time to fit a analogue gauge to the gun he would find out that he was using the same pressure as everyone else 🤷‍♂️🤠😂 With my setup I'll never be using a true HVLP cap, I think these are ok for body shops as it's a legal requirement at some places due to the transfer efficiency rates of the gun, something like that anyway 🤔🤭 laters bud 👍

[@peteshobbies5383]

As you say, he's spraying at 2 bar anyway so not particularly low pressure considering you can get away with 1.3 to 1.4 on a Sata HVLP 5500x at the base of the gun and there are a far few 1 bar guns about, admittedly not full size though, cheers mate 👍

[@sw9506]

Hello Pete, A tech question here.. Are the 2 guns the same apart from the B/+ and C2 air caps? ignoring 1.2/1.3 . Can you put the C2 air cap on your base gun, would it perform exactly the same as on the clear gun? vice versa, if you put your B+ cap on your clear gun, would it perform the same as your base gun.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Mate, yes, they are fully interchangeable, the tips are marked C1.2 or B1.2 but in my experience, they are the same except the markings and perform the same, it's the cap that makes the difference 👍

[@sw9506]

@@peteshobbies5383 Thank you Pete. Much appreciated

[@peteshobbies5383]

@S W Your welcome buddy 👍

[@sw9506]

@@peteshobbies5383 Hello again Peter, I was wondering if the C1 or C2 caps are similar in any way to the B+ cap? Is it worth me purchasing a C1 or C2 cap to do clear coat with in my base Dv1 gun which currently has a B+ cap on it. I have used the B+ cap for clear coat a couple of times and TBH it performs great. I also saw another you tube video where someone has used the base DV1 B+ cap for base and clear coat. Just wondering if you would know as I believe you have the B+,C1 and C2 caps... Or perhaps a comparison video with all the caps using base or all the caps using clear for the same gun.

[@peteshobbies5383]

@S W Hi buddy, I have used the B+ cap for clear with very good results and the C1 cap for base as well which it also does very well, there is often debate going on on social media alone the lines of the base gun being better for clear than the C1 clear gun, I have done a video of DV1 base for clear and base and the C1 for base and clear but haven't edited/voiced them even though they are 12 months old, I went with a 1.1 as that's what devilbiss recommended if you normally used a 1.2 for base, it's really not that good for clear as it's too small and I now use 1.2 for base as i normally do as the advice from devilbiss is imo wrong

[@craigeboy70]

Hello . I have always used sata for the last 20 years + and just bought myself a new clearcoat DV1 c2 instead of the 5500 .I still use my sata 2000 I have had since 2005 for base coat but was wondering if I buy the B cap will it just fit straight on to my DV1 clearcoat 1.3 or are the threads on the DV1 basecoat different ? because i'm not going to spend another 450 on a base coat gun as my 2000 is fine but I would like to see how the B cap paints as I like a lot of output .

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi, the caps are interchangeable. The tips do have C or B on them, but I can see no visible difference, so I suspect the tips are the same for both; cheers 👍

[@craigeboy70]

@@peteshobbies5383 thanks Pete. I will buy 1 and try it out .

[@peteshobbies5383]

Your welcome, there is the B and B+, the B is the true HVLP cap 👍

[@Cavalier_Steve]

Another great video Pete, that is a lovely finish you got there. Just a quick question, what made you think that you needed a 1.3 tip rather than the 1.2 was it the lack of volume of paint being applied to the tank? Cheers.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Steve, yes, you got it exactly, i normally use on the pro lites 1.2 for base and TE10 cap which works well, i have used 1.1 in the DV1 with the B+ cap as suggested by Devilbiss but still needed the 1.2 as it was a bit dry, with this B cap i felt it needed a bit more so will try 1.3 next time, just to get a little more on, the finish was fine but it's just the feeling you get when using it. Nice colour though, not sure it's right for a classic Cavalier though so don't go getting ideas 😀👍

[@Cavalier_Steve]

@@peteshobbies5383 I’m getting there Pete I’m learning so much. I did toy with the idea of trying a metallic fleck in the China blue paint to modernise it I thought I could use my mini boot lid as a willing volunteer.

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@Cavalier_Steve you can certainly try it and see what you think, at the end of the day the only person you need to please is yourself, i can't understand why everyone doesn't like burnt orange metallic but apparently they don't! 😂😂👍

[@Cavalier_Steve]

@@peteshobbies5383 I don’t mind it to be honest, I suppose on the colour spectrum orange is just light brown 😂

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@Cavalier_Steve Errrrr, light brown!! 😂😂😂👍

[@hillbillycustom1730]

Very good video thank u

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thanks buddy, much appreciated 👍

[@jasonevans6720]

Listen to your video and you can hear the burst of air every time you key the trigger This will use more air and make the spraying finish inconsistent. Do the same test but don't trigger the air on and off just trigger the paint

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Jason, so your saying keep the air running and just trigger the paint as needed?

[@jasonevans6720]

@@peteshobbies5383 yes or get a diaphragm regulator so the air is constant

[@peteshobbies5383]

I'll give it a try 👍

[@LuisC202]

@@jasonevans6720 who makes a diaphragm regulator? I noticed on my prolite when I pull the trigger that is set at 29 psi it starts at 32

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Luis, there are quite a few about, I have a Meiji one which is really good, this is on my Instagram feed, instagram.com/tv/Cd8HY2QqGei/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

[@SalvageRevival]

Hi, I've the Base coat gun with the 1.2 B+ And the clear 1.2 what's a good pressure to use them at, they say 1.5 bar but I've seen alot of videos at 2 bar

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Mate, its both 😀, when people say 1.5 bar that's for the digital version, so at 2 bar at the base of the gun you get 1.5 on the digital gauge, so if you have a none digital it's 2 bar on your regulator at the base of the gun or 1.5 on the Devilbiss digital gauge if your DV1 is digital, hope that helps 👍

[@SalvageRevival]

@peteshobbies5383 ahh right I get you. Yeah it's digital so 1.5 it is. Only just got them and going to give them a blast at the weekend. Thanks for that 🤟

[@peteshobbies5383]

@SalvageRevival You're welcome, buddy. I hope you get on with them, OK 👍

[@subutay2011]

Can i use dv1 b Air cap for clear coat

[@SingerAuto1967]

I’ve looked all over and can’t find a answer. Is the base gun and clear gun any different other than the air caps?

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi buddy, as far as I can see, yes, they are the same apart from the colour

[@sw9506]

Hi Pete, another question on the dv1 digital gauge. Can the setting be changed from bar to psi on the digital gauge?

[@peteshobbies5383]

Not that I'm aware, there's no controls on it at all, your also supposed to send it to the factory when the battery runs out as they are soldered in but you can do them with care, not needed to yet

[@shaunbouchersr9544]

I realize this post is old but my dv1 base has psi on its digital. It just came like that. Maybe part of world you buy it in. I'm in the US

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Shaun, your correct mate, the US gets PSI, Europe gets bar, I would have thought it would be a simple thing to add the ability to switch between them but no one seems to so maybe it's not

[@usmanali-pj2hj]

what would you recommend b cap or bplus ?

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Usman, the B+ is probably the best all round base cap, it gives a food finish on most base coats, if you have the air available the B cap is good for waterbourn paints, uses less material as well, still ok with solvent but better with waterbourn, it's true HVLP so uses a lot of air 👍

[@IratusAngelus621]

So I’ve been skimming through as many Dv1 review comments as I possibly can. Recently we’ve moved from PPG enviro to Standoxblue. As part of the new system package we’ve also been given new Dv1 base guns but unfortunately 4 out of the 5 guns have been faulty due to some of the many air holes around the perimeter of the fluid tip had not been fully drilled out during manufacture. Was wondering if any one else had this type of issue?

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Matthew, I've had a few Devilbiss guns that had swarf still in the holes of the tip, a DV1, Gti Pro Lite and an Sri Pro Lite but it's just a case of pushing the swarf out in my case with a drill bit so not a big worry really

[@IratusAngelus621]

@@peteshobbies5383 Yeah I’ve got a couple of prolites that I use a secondary color guns so was looking forward to giving the Dv1 s a go . We cleared one of the guns out and it sprayed fine but 4 out 5 must be a batch problem as now others have reported issues. The supplier has taken the guns back to their supplier.. so we will see what they have to say. All my other Devilbiss guns have been great over the years so this was a bit of a bummer

[@peteshobbies5383]

Yeah, sounds like a production fault but you would think they would drag a few off the production line and check, it's actually a very good base gun, cheers mate, hope you gey it sorted 👍

[@hillbillycustom1730]

Which is slicker off the gun dv1 1.2 or sagola4600 1.2 cl

[@peteshobbies5383]

That's a really difficult question to answer, they can both give a really flat finish, if i had to choose i would go with the Sagola, simply because, in the UK anyway, is about 30% cheaper

[@hillbillycustom1730]

Wanna sell your sagola mate I can’t find onr

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@hillbillycustom1730 No thanks buddy, it's one of my best gun's, won't be selling them

[@hillbillycustom1730]

@@peteshobbies5383 don’t blame you.