Rvj part 2 - how big is the genetic multiplier in determining sport success

[@joemama7163]

Devon playing devils advocate against genetics. When you’re 6’5 with a 34 foot wing span and hands the size of a boat paddle you have to let someone else argue this, lol.

[@JnixMarshel]

We all know the devils advocate is on the right. Lol

[@Thelgren00]

One could argue Devons genetic gift of his sharp mind and will has served him just as much or more than his physical gifts

[@philipp_a]

I think gifted persons often tend to downplay the role of genetics because admitting superior genetics would lower the "glory" of their achievements. Its more satisfying to think that the achievements came just from sheer willpower and dedication

[@finalcam1740]

34 feet got me

[@joemama7163]

@@Thelgren00 one could also argue that you take yourself WAY too serious and need to remove the stick from your ass.

[@ohohohitzmagic4536]

Drinking game. Every time RVJ says 'genetics' in this video, drink up. Good luck.

[@Kingiron88]

Dude. Thx. Great idea

[@IIRyainII]

I’m drunk af now

[@robbebruers2841]

Just watched it and I passed the f out thanks bruv

[@JodiLarratt123]

Devon and I both love RVJ and respect his opinions. It's awesome when you can have intelligent and interesting friends to debate with, who don't neccesarily share your views but appreciate yours and are willing to engage.

[@Armfan99]

Genetics are everything, not just in the physical realm but mental as well.

[@Wanker527]

@@paulden3158 not everything, but VERY close to being everything.

[@Dan-dd8cf]

Yes people don't understand this. Everything we do is linked to genetics. Every thought we have comes from our brains which is made from our genetic code. Can our thinking and bodies be influenced by external factors. Of course. But you can have siblings brought up in very similar environments, but one will have amazing work ethics, and others will be lazy. Genetics is a huge determining factor in life. People don't like to acknowledge it,because it takes away peoples control.

[@deceptiveautobot]

Golf proves that undeniably. And they forgot Larry Bird.

[@HoBoJo1234]

I think the correct way to think about it, is that while a sport is either in it's infancy or just a smaller sport (E.G. Arm wrestling) Hard work and motivation is going to be the largest determining factor for getting to the top 1%. For getting to the Top 1% of the 1% (AKA Pro, not just "really crazy good") of that smaller sport, I think that is where genetics plays a huge part (E.G. Your Devon Larratts, Michael Todds, Dave Chaffees.) When talking about sports that are so flooded that it's hard to even get into the base levels (E.G. Football, Basketball, Baseball, etc.) I think the roles are reversed. To get into the top 1% you have to have the genetics because if you don't, you're going into a overpopulated game already at a disadvantage. When you have the genetics to get into the 1%, that is when you break into the 1% of the 1% with your work ethic. (Example, like RVJ was saying. Every kid in america wants to be a pro basketball player, but they're not even going to look at you if you don't start with the best genetics because the market is so flooded already. After you're "selected" by the genetics, that is where your work ethic comes to become the best of the best.) TL:DR, Smaller sports = Work ethic gets you to the top, Genetics let you rise to the top of the top. Larger sports = Genetics get you to the top, work ethic gets you to the top of the top. I think this is a really interesting conversation all things considered and I'm sure there's some flaws in my thinking somewhere.

[@HoBoJo1234]

@ good point, pretty much all the major organized team sports have no weight classes. So by default if you're not in the top weight class or atleast whatever the biggest is that's the most efficient you're at a huge disadvantage aswell.

[@devlarratt]

This seems very accurate

[@rjharrold2907]

You nailed the shit out of this in the general ideas

[@jdj2022]

It’s like Kevin Durant has said. Hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard. I will say even in sports like basketball you can get pretty far with just really hard work as long as you have atleast average genetics. But you won’t be as good as someone who has good genetics and works just as hard of course.

[@dannydjduc99]

Wait a minute.. he uploaded a part 2... did the stars align?

[@finalcam1740]

This is definitely a "high" level conversation, if you catch me.

[@bryceborchert7808]

Weed

[@devlarratt]

@@Alex-1750 spartanwellness.ca ;)

[@GGGmod1]

@@Alex-1750 so he gets free weed thats what hes saying?

[@normangensler7380]

a mighty load of exogenous steroids, you can clearly hear it in his voice.

[@finalcam1740]

@@normangensler7380 investing hadn't thought of that. I just know I get real chatty on some if these high level conversations also hahha.

[@TravisBaginashvili]

12:53 i come back to watch this every once in a while for the funniest 1 liner from RVJ ever

[@riteshnayak80]

No matter how hard a 5'2" ectomorph with squeaky voice works, he cannot beat Cyplenkov 😂

[@jesuschrist5417]

That doesn't necessarily mean that the 5'2" ectomorph shouldn't try at all. With the right drugs and hard work I think it's possible. He might die after the match though. lol

[@riteshnayak80]

@@jesuschrist5417 Thanks Jesus....that was enlightening. Btw.....where's Satan at these days??

[@riteshnayak80]

@UCRQE48vHo1F0KTl6ZjlT2Zg What about it? Never heard or Ectomorph, Mesomorph and Endomorphs ever?? Are u half platipus or something?

[@aaronrus]

Give Crazy George massive amounts of Trenbolone and HGH, training for 2 years , and I bet he beats Cyplenkov

Source?

[@GeorgeAcoustic]

Only two slices of pizza left!

[@proudtobeanindian709]

😂

[@Persistent_Ray]

Two slices of pizza there..😍😋

[@govegmofomakeamuffin6620]

@Jon Doe hahaha

[@BubblesandthePurrMonster]

Jodi is the coolest spouse ever. Good for you Devon. Not many people get to marry their best friend.

[@RobKingRC]

Agreed! She's a huge supporter for Devon, and she's tough as nails!! 💪💪

[@hannibalbarca4140]

I know hes a lucky dude.."jodi im gonna go fly around the world every month and armwrestle, hang out with my bros, party etc...you stay home and watch the kids and keep house" 😁

[@someoneprice2371]

Barry McKaulkiner l m fa o

[@bluemonstrosity259]

Jodi is a huge fan and Devon, and the other way round too

[@DirtyOldJoe]

Can someone tell RVJ to lean off his cycle a little bit

[@MrRunescapy]

RVJ is onto something about mind being partly genetic as well

[@bluevelvet772]

Obviously it is, I don't know how anyone could argue to the contrary.

[@criticalcog6363]

@@bluevelvet772 he’s right on a basic level, but higher level phenomena that matter in sport, such as determination, drive, work ethic, are not genetically determined but instead caused by environment. IQ is certainly largely genetic. RVJ was totally correct on genetics being crucial for success in professional armwrestling. Crazy George is an outlier because he employs a technique that doesn’t leverage genetics as much as technique and bone lock. But even there, the point stands that a Crazy George with amazing genes would be even more dominant (think Michael Todd).

[@bluevelvet772]

@@criticalcog6363 Work ethic and determination is genetic and can be bolstered in environmental situations in people who already have great work ethic regardless of life experience, put them in any situation they always have work ethic, look at Floyd Maywether he was a multi millionaire, had no reason to have work ethic and yet he still outworked everybody, that is genetic, at least it seems that way to me.

[@ХадіАлХабуні]

it is

[@TheTangyapple]

The depth of technical and creative innovation across all sports is underestimated. Devon mentioned the 3rd/4th row of the army being genetically gifted clones. In tennis, these people are the 6 ft 5, lanky dudes with powerful groundstrokes, huge serves and quick footwork for their size. But if you look at the pinnacle, that 1st row, the variation is massive. Federer vs Nadal (and Djokovic) is a perfect example of how a select few athletes can compete for the top whilst looking and playing totally differently. In football (soccer), if you were to construct the ultimate attacker based on genetics, you would end up with someone like Christiano Ronaldo: lightning pace, huge jumps and air ability, vision, power, clinical. And yet, the one who blows everyone away (especially the top players) by pure magic is a 5 ft 7 Argentine who needed hormone replacement therapy as a teenager and is riddled with injury: Lionel Messi. Think about all these legends in sports who aren't visually what you'd expect: Mike Tyson (5 ft 10 heavyweight) to Tyson Fury (fat gypsy who moves like a featherweight), the lanky rock-climber vs the small explosive climber, jon jones vs daniel cormier. RVJ's point is fair, but Devon is right. At that top level, the true innovators, it's a crap shoot when thinking about what you're getting

[@devlarratt]

the more complicated the sport the more there is room for the argument. the more simple the sport the more difficult it is to break the genetic obstacles. Armwrestling is not as diverse as fighting, more diverse than sprinting.

[@TheTangyapple]

@@devlarratt very true, and thanks for your insight. Good luck for your next fight! Can't wait for your breakdown of Matt vs Michael too

[@SmarterTebya]

Are you serious? Messi is genetically gifted with speed, reaction, coordination in combination that no one on the planet can get close to He was definitely not riddled with injuries, check his mins stats. He started getting traumas only recently. His genetics were messed up so he had to undergo hormonal therapy. Now imagine had there been no cure for his condition he'd genetics would have crossed him out of the competition even in Barca academy simply by physical conditions.

[@Davemate]

The answer to most of these questions in a nutshell is both. It's more nuanced than just one or the other.

[@backyardlifts9095]

Yes, but if you have the drive, then genes are the determining factor that separate the ordinary from the extraordinary Joe. Plain and simple

[@Davemate]

@@backyardlifts9095 You're missing the point that someone having drive and ambition could also be a chemical/genetic disposition.

[@dqreps]

Exactly. And it's all about if all things are equal. If two people are equally as strong, and work equally as hard, and have a superior mind and strategy, who is going to win, a genetically gifted guy or the schmuck that gives it hell. The genetically gifted guy every time. When all things are equal.

[@saigajv]

Ronin how about a genetically gifted guy puts in 50% hardwork against a guy with piss poor genetics who gives it his 100%. Who wins? I would say the first guy.

[@backyardlifts9095]

@@Davemate ok, but that wasn't the point either. The point is all things being equal genetics are more likely to be superior in atlethic endeavors. Get off Devon nuts.

[@FaqUrNwoBS]

dad move shirt lol.

[@V8Roehrldrifter]

1st, big respect to everyone who takes or creates his chances and works hard, as long as it's done ethically! Devon and family/friends, i love your content, keep rocking :) 12:55 I agree to Rvj and say, not everyone can reach everything! What forms the character of a person? 3 things: genetics, parental influence and every day influences (interactions and experiences in life). Genetics: Two women tries to become a model and do exactly the same things, use the same amount of energy and effort to reach the goal. What happens if one appears "ugly" to most people and the other one "beautiful"? Will they make the same experiences in life because they do the same stuff? Will they achieve the same goals? This example shows the genetic aspect only, and genetics don't define our look only, they define our skills at all, even the skill to better your skills. Some can do something well but suck at something else, no matter how hard they try. Others can learn very good but don't have the imagination of what to learn. Why can't everyone be as fast as Usain Bolt? Because they are too lazy? Parental influence: Why are so many race car drivers sons of former race car drivers? Genetics alone? i don't think so. The answer is possibilities. They have someone who opens a chance, a door for them! Did Justin Bieber started his career as a kid or did his mother? The son of a company boss will see his father doing stuff a company boss does. The chance the son becomes good in things like dominance, strategic thinking and acting, ... are higher than without this influence. Of course as long as his genetic skills allows this. He can get experienced support from his father too, if he decides to go a similar way. Other life experiences: If nice things happens to you, you will be happy. If bad things happens to you, you will not be happy. If you do nice things to people but they do bad things to you, you will be angry, confused, scared, depressed or become crazy. This things affects and forms you, specially when you are a child. An excessive amount of certain experiences can result in extreme behaving, feeling and acting! Take a look at a dog which got abused his whole life long untill you took care of him. He will not trust you, maybe he forgets the bad times after a while with you, maybe he never forgets. Humans don't forget easily! People are different (But always are worth the same)! There are things they can affect or change deliberate, but there are things they can't, even they want too. What this things are varies for every human being! Metaphoric example: Two guys drive side by side on a empty straight road, one in a strong sports car, the other one in a little, weak compact. Both can't change their car and never have been in a different one. The compact driver tells the sports car guy that he would like to drive 200mph fast. The sports car guy tells him to shift into the highest gear and press the gas pedal fully to the ground, its easy. The compact driver follows exactly the advice, but can't even come close to 200mph. The sports car driver looks at him deprecatingly and says "you don't try hard enough, it's your fault, i am tired of people like you" and drives away. Respect each other because we never know the story behind a person! There can't be winners without losers!

[@gianlucastrong8197]

It depends on the sport but RVJ was right

Correct, comparing different sports is stupid particularly if you don't have a deep level understanding of the sport.

[@ryanoconnor8207]

he's totally right about gentics. just look at how many World's Strongest Man Champs are chinese. The answer is none lol.

[@xXJeReMiAhXx99]

@@Alex-1750 lol you think it's culture that keeps over 1 billion people from competing in strongman? come on

[@ryanoconnor8207]

@@xXJeReMiAhXx99 i know!? He's like " it's just their frames and body type in general isn't huge" you mean genetics!!?? 🤣😂 strength is about more than lb for lb, its about leverages and size, mass moves mass, speed and momentum. That's why when strongman 1st started, Franco Columbu was drafted cuz he's hella strong but then he blew out both his kneecaps and ended his career, because it didn't matter that he was strong, he needed to be 6ft 9 like Brian shaw to protect himself with fat. 100%genetics.

[@J-ake]

Happy this popped up on my feed! I miss RVJ....hope he returns asap 😢

[@Time-junkie]

This needed to go on for longer 😂

[@InSaiyanPower87]

RVJ reminds me of myself when i get all coked up

[@billybrothers2492]

yeah lol too true hahah

[@billybrothers2492]

in the bathroom of a party with someone you don't know debating the stupidest topic lol

[@someoneprice2371]

Mark Hohmeier 😂

[@douglaswalston3137]

Facts

[@sethdixon1450]

RVJ is drunk as fuck... love how dev and Jodie are just letting him vent...

[@secretagentviper8382]

I had to go back to this one vid while I was extremely high as shit, now I totally understand what you guys are talking about

[@ryanbluebowen]

Compare Danny Tesch start point vs my start point. Yet now we are equal. He had a far greater genetic start point. Yet where we are now is essentially the same.

[@AW-Luke]

Yes Ryan you beast, I’m a subscriber by the way

[@BLZArmwrestling]

Yeah Ryan you do not look to have great genetic at start but you worked your ass off and look now what you have done. Hats off your the avarage joe exemple for us

[@madtitan9639]

(As an aside, love your content) But, I don't think that's good evidence for or against. You may have different genetic advantages that have cancelled out Danny's. They're not all so obvious as to be seen. For example, ability to recover, to endure pain, an obsessive mind - have both a genetic component... and can be increased with practice. If by genetic advantages, you mean only things that cannot be increased from baseline, I don't think genetic advantages that let you train harder or think better are lesser in value than, say, a big hand.

[@philipp_a]

He may have had a greater genetic start point, he may also have a lower genetic end point or less genetic potential to improve. So it proves nothing

[@JRBumpus]

Loving the "Cards Against Humanity." Should do a video with you all playing that while high AF. Would be HILARIOUS! Also, the two of you were trolling RVJ soooo hard 🤣🤣🤣

[@barefootmtb1338]

I believe the best arm wrestler in the world isn’t even arm wrestling he’s hiding away in some abscure corner of the planet waiting to be found.

[@mikerosa1276]

No,the best armwrestler in the world is right there sitting on the table with his wife and his friend.

[@joesmulti-edc890]

Indeed Mike! He is a humble man, not even worried about competition, fame nor fortune. He is the humble man, living his life within his own realm.

[@Kizdo69]

E AMV lmao you’re hilarious. Reminds me of that drunk guy in any bar who thinks he could beat anyone at their profession “if he trained for it”

[@shinrionah5698]

mike rosa i don’t see John Brzenk anywhere in the video man :v

[@louiscyphre7023]

You just described me to a tee buddy - Thanks

[@adnanrawashdeh3965]

God damn crazy George hahahahahaha Devon you really made a point a crushing point with that first line it is a really interesting and inspiring idea

[@aaronrus]

7:48 vi love it! “Crazy George isn't even a normal dwarf, he's a 'little' dwarf, with a little hand, that shouldn't be able to beat anybody”... lol, great quote Devon, I’m turning that into a T-shirt

[@aaronrus]

Aaron dude, it’s a quote of sarcasm by Devon in the video. Sarcasm... because he’s not even a ‘normal ‘ dwarf

[@Thelgren00]

Thumbnail is great, looks like you are both showing each other your armwrestling chi energy orbs haha...*Vegeta what does the scouter say?* *Its over 9000!*

[@JoshHigginbotham8716]

Man it would have been nice to hear Devon talk some without being talked over. Devon talk louder lol

[@normangensler7380]

No, rjv, shut the fuck up if you have to be so loud

[@grahamm4814]

No that other guy should quite down in devons home.

[@LordAmbien]

In my experience in combat sports, which in no way am I putting myself even close to your guys league, something that plays a huge role is the ability to summon and harness aggression. I see this in all your matches Devon, and in any combat competition no one wants to have a master of aggression across from them! Unbelievable what some can achieve with or without good genetics if they’re capable high levels of aggression. Thx for the cool convo upload

[@MotorBunnyBDM]

I think anyone who's finished a marathon, 70+km road march in FBO or some form of extended intense physical activity would be able to relate to what Devon is saying. RVJ makes the argument that... effort being equal.. genetics is the deciding factor. Effort is never equal. The will is severely understated whenever the discussion of genetics comes up.

[@fistoftulkas7335]

Agreed, and like i said your "will" IS genetic.

[@MotorBunnyBDM]

@@fistoftulkas7335 I'm not sure when you say your will is genetic even if quotation marks are involved. There are genetically predisposed mental illnesses but mental conditioning is a separate thing. Just because the preceding lineage are made up of individuals representing testicular tenacity does not mean the offspring would display similar characteristics if he were to say.. be fostered by deadbeat junkies. Fortitude or willpower can be nurtured. "The Only Easy Day Was Yesterday" Navy Seals motto. "Viam inveniemus" Canadian Special Forces (We will find a way) You'll find a common theme with elite military training institutions.

[@fistoftulkas7335]

Just saying that your willpower is genetic too, there are people that are stronger mentally, some aren't, just like some have better physical's attributes than others. The mental's fortitude is just as important as the physical's, and both are part of your genetic's makeup.

[@MotorBunnyBDM]

@@vids595 What in the world are you on about.

[@asdfghjkldfghjhgcgyuigfyui9792]

cyplenkov has perfect arm wrestling genetics

[@cstevens16]

Gotta agree with RVJ on this one

[@JRBumpus]

I personally don't arm wrestle but love to watch the sport. It's awesome and adrenaline pumping. Those longer Devon matches are among the best at keeping me on the edge of my seat. To me, arm wrestling is like martial arts. If you stay disciplined and true to you're training, you can be great. There are many styles and techniques which are all effective but yet has their counter. You will take losses "lessons learned" along the way. Those who train not only their strengths but also their weaknesses becomes Devon and is fan favorite of all. Lol

[@ЭльмарИдрисов-г5э]

Denis Tsiplenkov, Laletin, John Brzenk i think have great genetics for the sport

[@bojanpejic7263]

Totally agree with RVJ, genetics is almost everything!

[@aaronrus]

RVJ types how he talks, verbosely and completely, lol. every facebook war he enters he wins...

[@whileistaysecluded]

Love the discussion Devon.. more like this

[@_awnchairsuperman785]

Intelligent Training Methods + Discipline + Elite Role Model(s) = Great starting point for anybody looking to rise to the top in any sport...with or without ideal genetics.

[@JnixMarshel]

Devon , let me get a slice of that cold pizza.

[@kylerein2034]

RVJ is right, genetics are a massive factor, hard work also matters but it will only get you so far and no matter how hard you work you will not always be able to reach the heights that people with better genetics can.

[@Nick-cp8wf]

Arm wrestling is a skill based sport with strength being of equal importance give or take a percentage leaning here or there. Crazy George has a wildcard and that is in his skill based technique. He is also gifted in his resilience and will and also definetly is a strong guy all around. He looks like those type of guys who can bend steel with his fingers or do a thousand pushups. Strong attachments. His style has molded his weapon (arm) for battle to the highest degree. Rob is talking more about a pure strength and geometrical anomaly who if had the same enviromental stimulous as the greats would be a great himself. Just remember, out of billions of men, No man has ever been 10 foot tall or had shoulders 5 feet wide, not even double the average. There are outliers but there is always a limit.

[@MikBan]

Genetics is good. But it cannot teach you to fight if you don't have the heart. Mental toughness comes from within and how you channel your motivation. And physical strength comes from work ethics. Neither can out do the other

[@L.o.u.i.s..]

Dude doesnt argue to have a healthy conversation, he argues to be right.

[@georgeraducanu1448]

even motivation comes from genes dev.....love ya

[@alden2826]

Devon these talks with rvj are awesome.

[@damonkfist]

Genetics covers a massive range of factors. Hard work can help you achieve incredible things but when it comes down to it you cannot say that a genetic advantage in sports specificity isn't a huge help.

[@savage1764]

Alot of the genetic argument is nullified by weight classes and gender classes. Arm wrestling is even more specific by having right arm and left arm.

[@shinrionah5698]

Todd Hutchings doesn’t have the best genetics and he is still crushing superheavies because Middleweights couldn’t handle him haha

[@hassamkkkk5721]

Da MudderBurd that’s just his opinion, if you see devon vs todd hutchings , he clearly couldn’t handle devon’s height , he just couldn’t get over the king’s move , which is a huge disadvantage , having long arms in my opinion gives you more options and opportunities

[@alexvanburen6754]

Arguably Todd has great genetics because he uses his body type to his advantage

[@Fox8ball.]

WCFYP Todzilla powerking

[@SamanA2203]

hassam Kkkk who Cares? Dude still has 4 hammers lol he’s the greatest middle weight. His hand is not that great where they say in armwrestling it’s all about hand. But man he does have s9me power

[@BLZArmwrestling]

Todd got great genetic for Strength for sure

[@blazecarr]

I agree with Devon. An insane level of work ethic and desire, over anyone in the world, will beat talent that fails to work hard.

[@NunyaBizness-X]

RVJ is 100% correct. Genetics are the tools you have to work with.

[@kylehutchie]

Genetics make so much difference they created weightclasses... that's genetic separation off the bat lol It's showing even more so now with the massive guys starting to show up and separate from the rest of the pack in kurdecha, levan and vitally, genetically superior guys, and that list will continue to grow the more armwrestling grows.

[@argsgsgsgnngndg9894]

Genetics and determination are both important, but genetics can reach a level of importance that can outclass determination: take a professional woman armwrestler, she would never beat john brzenk no matter how determined she is, and he's basically retired now so his motivation is much lower than hers. I guess John also has experience on his side so maybe the example isn't the greatest, but you get the point. Determination can be a key factor when the genetics are similar but there's only so much it can do. The main difference and advantage of determination is that it can change, while genetics can't. But the fact that it can change also mean that it can drop, so it can be a disadvantage too.

[@bigdan9850]

RVJ: You're getting a little weird on me lol!!+

[@АнтонКалчев-б6ц]

Overall genetics is big advantage in sport but it's not the only thing required for sport success.

[@brandonjustice4892]

Had to stop it at 621 to comment on RVJ's "love of the sport is a drug too" Your absofuckinlutely right. I dont Armwrestle for the hell of it....I chase the feeling of power and strength it gives me. Its pure enjoyment of the struggle and the fight to win mentality. Fuck the money. Fuck the fame. I want that pump from the pull....my might against your might

[@alford35]

The “TIP” of the spear analogy was going over his head based on how Devon was thinking about the big picture in the military, sports, etc....

[@VolksDragon]

Drunk History - Arm-wrestling edition!

[@jtokidjb]

I have been pulling for 6 years and I have a great work ethic, great coach, and I travel to train and am a student of the game. I guarantee if RV J was a brand new never guy having pulled at ornament showed up and practice would smash me right handed without a doubt.

[@ammarzaidi765]

Don’t let all the external factors clog your mind. Follow the passion, put in the work ethic, set your mind on winning and you’ll reap the rewards. Genetics or no genetics, that’s not in our control. We can only manipulate that which we can control.

[@fantasiaenrejorgefernandog2024]

You and Jodi argue that the determining factor lies with the 'drive' and determination of a person to pursue something. RVJ argues that 'genetics' are the deciding factor. There are many layers of misunderstanding, between both sides, so we must start at the bottom. We are 'creatures of nature'. Just like a flower in the field, we are seeds sprouted, blooming and ever growing--truly, we are. From the way in which pulsate, even as 'a single cell' at our emerging moments, and whatever "is driving" that. To the way that seed grows shapes and 'forms', 'tissue', 'limbs', 'brain', and whatever "is driving" that. Even as the particular shape of our veins as they travel throughout this 'colony' of life that has sprouted from that seed, even as the blood that runs through it and the way it flows--and whatever is driving that. It's understandable, and right, that you and Jodi have this sense of negative reflex against the 'it's all genetics (bro)' simplification. And that is what the science of genetics (or any science) is--a simplification, an analytical tool with which we reduce the infinity of Nature, into a manageable approximation. And it is a very useful thing of course, this 'square', simplified mode of thinking. So naturally, there is a sense of incredulity to the claim 'it's all genetics.' Because, truly, it is not 'all genetics', because Nature is not our reduced sense of understanding, and is not contained within our simplifications. Certainly and obviously, it is not bound to them. Yes, we are not 'genetics', we are Nature. And Nature goes beyond all linear analysis and square structures. It is infinite in its shapes and infinite in its patterns. Be it we look at the shape of the clouds, or the shape of the bark of a tree, or the shape of the neurons in 'my brain', and so the shape of 'my thoughts', or the shape of the surface of my skin. The shape of water in the ocean or the shape of water in 'my blood.' And to the point of Jodi, of our 'drive.' Nature is who we are, and so our Nature 'drives' us, and that is the most beautiful thing. And truly, it is exactly those people that become 'who they are,' who are Nature transparent, who in their character and in their action are Nature's wisdom unrestricted, those are the people 'driven', the people unbounded, who will reverberate amongst us and show us the way, with the message of their Life. We look at them and we know them, we recognise them, and we admire them instantly, the genuine human. Cheers to you Devon and your great family.

[@smeagolmazurenko5238]

Oleg begins and ends the genetics debate

[@RDS_Armwrestling]

You mean he had the small body but also the huge forearm PLUS the hard work ethic?

[@smeagolmazurenko5238]

@@RDS_Armwrestling exactly. He could work his ass off with his right but get his face ripped off by any super heavy

[@RDS_Armwrestling]

@@smeagolmazurenko5238 yeah I don't think I've seen any footage of Oleg even training his right side

[@BLZArmwrestling]

Rvj got awsome genetic for armwreslting we get it. But normal genetic with a lot of work can be pretty damm good imo

[@DD-sw1dd]

Hard work guarantees that you’ll be the best version of YOU that you can possibly be. That’s it. And it’s all anyone should aspire to really. Whether your a physical freak or not.

[@edgarramos1499]

RVJ is 100% correct! 7 time Mr Olympia Phil Heath made this point over and over, hard work can beat great genetics, but when great genetics works equally hard normal people don't stand a chance. Only challenge is from another genetic beast. Take a guy like Levan or Dennis, 99.9% of people on earth could dedicate their life to training and abuse anabolics but they would still get smashed.

[@Sychonut]

RVJ is a good name for a 4x4 off road truck.

[@jatrain161]

Epic shirt! Fkin Dad move!!! Gotta get one of those.

[@Siberius-]

Awesome stuff, really enjoyed that.

[@johnyoolie5773]

YES IT IS TOO!!! KNOW IT AND BELIEVING IT!!!! Is exactly where it's at!!!

[@001FJ]

I agree with Rob-genetics plays the major part given all other things are equal! I am quite muscular because I have been weight training for 10 years but I am only 5’6”, but my nephew who just turned 16 years old is 6’1” with longer arms and bigger hand. Give him 6 months and he will beat me at arm wrestling because he got the stronger bone and joint structures. It’s just a fact of life! People say but drugs make a difference…not really! Even your body’s response to drugs is genetic. Look at bodybuilders: why could Ronnie Coleman reach 305lbs of shredded muscles while Dexter Jackson can’t surpass 240lbs? Because Ronnie’s body responded to drug differently! Why is it when Ronnie Coleman works really hard he looks like a beast, while Warren Brach who also works really hard looks horrible? Genetics! Why do Big Ramy’s quads look overdeveloped? Does he do legs every day? No, it’s genetics! Why couldn’t Flex Wheeler bring up his calves even though the rest of his body was perfect? Genetics! The fact of the matter is: if the King’s Move was banned Devon Larratt and Michael Todd can’t keep up with genetically gifted arm wrestlers. I mean they have very little chance against Dave Chaffee if it wasn’t for the King’s Move. Do you think you can be 390lbs of muscles in 4 years like Levan Saginashvili did by just eating and training if your genetics did not allow you? No way!

[@001FJ]

@@Alex-1750 IMHO, neither Devon nor Todd have top genetics for arm wrestling. Devon is tall and has long arms and hands, but he does not have the brute strength that comes from muscle density and strong tendons. If Devon did not go into arm wrestling, I think his body type is more for swimming (think Michael Phelps). If you see his sons, you would have a better idea what is Devon’s true genetics (before training for arm wrestling). His sons are slender and tall, with narrow shoulders. Michael Todd definitely does not have top genetics for arm wrestling, and I think he will be the first to admit it. He has small hands with relatively short fingers. Michael Todd would not be at the top without the King’s Move, neither can Devon. In addition to the King’s Move both men are very hard workers and competitive which is essential to be continually hungry, improving, and adapting. As far as arm wrestling genetics goes, think Denis Cyplenkov, Levan Saginashvili, Dave Chaffee, Richard Lupkes. You saw what Denis did to Devon in their left hand super match-that’s the difference between genetics + hard work vs just hard work.

[@001FJ]

@@Alex-1750 I respect them too, especially Devon because of how versatile he is. I actually started watching arm wrestling because of him. He made arm wrestling mean stream. I like Michael Todd as a person but absolutely HATE the King's Move, even when Devon does it.

[@roberttaylor8906]

RVJ should read about the history of the oldetime strongman known as Maxick. He was a small sickly child who was told by his doctor not to exert himself due to his frail condition, and he ultimately became one of the first men to lock out double his bodyweight overhead. Also look at some of the photos of him performing his muscle control exercises. He could vacuum his abs on one side while outwardly flexing his abs on the other side at the same time.

[@Vxneji]

Finally someone said it. RVJ is right

[@IamMe10-4]

The greatest "genetic" factors in my opinion are endurance and the ability to fire more muscle fibers at one time.

[@rileyneufeld7001]

But you can train endurance. The top runners in the world aren't just from "Kenya" and doing nothing like Rob said. They have run their whole life! It's their way of transportation, we drive 5 miles to the store, they run 5 miles. Training tendons will also gain you endurance. And look at Devon he's a slow starter so the ability to fire all muscle fibers isn't a huge factor, IF you know how to counter it.

[@jesuschrist5417]

Muscular endurance in particular. It's not the same endurance that runners have. It's about how much power you can put forth in the right directions, but endurance in that case is how much power can you resist in the right directions. Endurance isn't a factor in itself. Like Todd Hutchings said, to have endurance against someone you have to be strong enough to stop them first of all.

[@jesuschrist5417]

@@vids595 At that point you're fucked, but most people aren't completely fucked like that. The argument about genetics is usually referring to your average dude vs. genetically gifted. It's not referring to a dude who's genetically fucked. If you're genetically fucked, you probably wouldn't even be aspiring to be the best at a sport.

[@IamMe10-4]

@@vids595 That's why I said "genetic". These abilities people have could be from proper development from mother having an abundance of nutrients. "Genetic" diseases are not genetic, they occur because the mother lacked building material(nutritional deficiencies). Not everything is genetic.

[@shanekerry9530]

End of day desire to better oneself and be the best you can be everyday and dedication to growth.....and education on every aspect of your mission to be the best is what sets apart the herd

[@manofdestructiondk2243]

Who guessed "CRAZY" George ?

[@beastmodemcgee4453]

Rvj seems like the type of dude to come into your home and say this is my house now.

[@aaronmcphee4444]

With Rob on this one

[@rotortilttt]

Man RVJ is exhausting to listen to :P

[@vanmeisner9613]

Heart is genetics. Fight is genetics. Determination is genetics

[@josemarquez9625]

Closing argument was the best 🤣

[@bassmasta9117]

I love that Dad Move shirt haha

[@worldofgnr]

Hej, Devon, good luck in upcoming battles!!

[@jasonsouza9053]

Who paints the pictures in the bottom half of the background? Those are nice!

[@Latinomicz]

lol my man RVJ just talked about Khaled. Man has crazy hand strength but might be lacking else where. Of course this was shot way before we knew about Khaled, lol.

[@ХадіАлХабуні]

Rob is so fucking logical and realistic Yes it's all about genetics

[@Real_LiamOBryan]

Hey, Devon! What's a good routine to hit all the requisite arm wrestling area with only one set of powerblock U-175s? Is there such a dumbbell only routine that would suffice?

[@gaz0463]

You have to remember Devon said he was playing devils advocate! It really got the discussion going. Devon uses a similar kind of tactic when he’s pulling.

[@johnyoolie5773]

We win through our believing! Deven you are right! Keep smiling and believing!!! Brother!!!

[@PawanSharmaBaru]

Short baskets ball players v/s long basket ball player and in that game genetics play important role

[@somebodysomeone8213]

Around 3:30, watch wifey take a sip of the drank and give someone off-camera the "ooh, what's up with that" drink face LOL

[@milosmilovanovic6781]

You can be a 5'3 guy kingsmoving bigger guys, but you'll never be a 300 pound monster crushing walnuts with his fingers

[@IamVintage72]

Rvj is actually not interrupting as much 🤪 lol.edit Dude wouldn't shut up .

[@tinzend_Jenjooeen]

At least when he does open his mush it's to only say something sensible and well thought out. .. NOT.

[@jorgenegrete1482]

Thank you for this

[@adfadfewfrewafawefaw]

he sees things through the filter of genetics. nothing can change his mind

[@oscartoro1375]

You can have determination but talent determines who success.

[@johncornaro2142]

If people have the Will to work hard and has the will to become no.1 he will be successful. Genetics doesn't matter hardwork matters everybody out there just work really hard don't give up. John brzenk beat Denis cyplenkove. And John brzenk does not have Denis genetics and in top of that John brzenk was 40+yrs old as well forget genetics work hard and have the will to break through your opponent

[@Wanker527]

How can you say John doesn’t have the proper genetics for armwrestling? He has large hands, thick wrists, extremely strong tendon/ligament strength, and a good humerus to forearm length ratio. He worked himself to the bone to become best, but he ABSOLUTELY has incredible genetic propensity to have powerful pulling. Pure size is not directly translated to armwrestling the same way wrestling or another sport where your full body weight is involved.

[@matthewviramontes3131]

I wonder if Donnell Whittingberg or any other ring gymnast would pose a good challenge to Devon. I'd really like to see that matchup.

[@kempo685]

Rvj cracks me up