DEVON LARRATT Argues About Kingsmove With Krasimir Kostadinov Part 1

[@HenryNehring]

At some point I would love to get MMT or Devon on and get someone else who hates the kingsmove and try and moderate and conversation about it with them

[@reverse2063]

Cringe clown Engin especially paid you to do this disgusting video and 'bs-nonsense-talks' right?I see the truth,don't be scared.

[@raphael.portela]

I HAte that BS that the bald guy is talking

[@Retcon__]

Well you know its Engin. He's been quite vocal

[@catraaa5261]

@@HenryNehring get Engin pleaseeee

[@screwdajuice]

as Ermes would say "dis faaahking king move..."

[@mysteriousyoutuber]

Yes my frien 😂

[@Ja_ist_gut]

Hahaha🎉

[@AceToproll2000]

for sure my friend

[@markusstevensakabiginfinit9523]

There was a time when guys complained about top rolling 😅

[@UncleTermite]

It was still on the table though , this technique isn’t true arm wrestling and doesn’t involve the hand more then a lock to make the other guy pull you up under the table it’s kind of dumb .

[@ovs4744]

@@UncleTermite”true armwrestling” lmao 🤣🤣

[@nickk9593]

people still do. real men armwretle in a hook

[@tomixparker3126]

Even today, some non armwrestlers complain about using whole body in arm wrestling. Let's go back to sit down arm wrestling baby

[@vids595]

No there wasn't.

[@DungThai84]

Corey has good valid points, armwrestling should evolves with so many new moves and counters, just like MMA. Professional armwrestlers will find no problem with any move, they will find a solutions, only non-armwrestlers complain and whine with no solution.

[@ccbgaming6994]

Yes this is 💯

[@edgaralanpoe2808]

Yeah, idiots complain, smart adjust, wise accept

[@SabinBabblatchu]

So why do they ban techniques in MMA?

[@Jeepster777]

@@SabinBabblatchu mma is much more dangerous and vicious than arm wrestling, they need bans more.

[@jmangames5562]

Well I see many EAST pro pullers complaining about kings move but not about toproll or press? They suck at it and get beat so they want it gone. Then press should be gone too! Were does it stop?

[@sravanganga7736]

Thank god we ain't have Engin here. Or else it would be a nightmare for Devon, they both argue madly till the sunrise 😅😂

[@jmangames5562]

Engin is cringe he doesn't debate he just gets angry and mad and says no my way. That attitude will not grow the sport. Devon is why the sport is so big, he understands what makes it fun to watch!!

[@lugomoss]

​@jmangames5562 no, the sport is currently where its at because of Engin.

[@tolga777GER]

@@jmangames5562 uhmmm... engin made EvW, which sold probably over a million PPVs. Every armwrestler respects him for his dedication and commitment

[@HenryNehring]

My dream podcast: Engin, Devon, Mindaugas, Neil Pickup, me. I ask a random armwrestling question then I let the 4 of them argue for hours and hours as I sit back and enjoy XD

[@flaxenwall9840]

@@lugomoss you're wrong lol. go check google analytics and see who is googled more. Google trends shows devon larrat to be the most popular. The only time levan makes a blip is because hes armwrestling devon at that time. Engin is most likely never googled as its 0 across 2004-present

[@JHAN1212]

Notice in the Genadi match there is a moment where Michael mistimes a transition and loses his wrist. The first thing he does is go to collect his hand position, because without it he would lose. The king's move is simply an extremely outside focused position that is completely focused on hand, wrist, and pronation, and has minimal use of arm power. Guys that don't have adequate strength in these areas do not have the king's move as an option because they wouldn't be able to achieve the bone lock in the first place. Michael's kings move looks so strong because his pronation is absolutely nuts. If someone was able to gas his hand out and turn him palm up he would lose, but that hasn't happened for a while. It's somewhat equal and opposite to the flop press, since the flop press relies totally on tricep power and body weight, and disregards all hand and wrist strength.

[@Ja_ist_gut]

It's his bonelock which mistaken as pronation.

[@NoRest4TheWicked1]

@@Ja_ist_gutyou know nothing about what you’re talking about. I love when you people with no actual analytical ability give your opinions. Rewatch Genadi vs Mike. Tell me if he ever put his palm up

[@inspired1639]

Devon is right there is no way you can determine if someone has reached a "bone lock" just from looking. Also if the bone lock is the only thing that matters should Auden be able to drop into an illegal KM every match since hes 19 and doesnt have a bone lock? based on what Krasi is saying what would be the issue if Auden went into an illegal KM since his arm can fully straighten

[@bobibufi1389]

are you kidding - you can easily determine when MMT is in a bone lock? Any other armwrestler in that almost fully stretched position is holding with all his might, it is visible in their face, effort, body language, because it is very unfavorable and demanding position. MMT on the other hand, in that position, he is just chilling, looking around, talking to refs. Watch some of his matches

[@inspired1639]

@ Denis was chilling in facial expression the whole match with Devon and got swept was he not trying cuz his face didn’t show it?

[@Megatron4699]

Auden has done that in a table practice his arm is fully extended and he's below the table big time, looks like shit and it is shit that's why he doesn't take serious armwrestling matches

[@rollinupeverest5042]

Right but you can open their arm without them resisting and see exactly where it is, where is Devin is saying if you can't tell I'm not going to tell you😂😂😂 Which shows that Devin is in the wrong morally already because he's trying to hide the truth whereas they literally just want to know how far does your arm open, and once it's open fully this should be a pin that's it

[@inspired1639]

@@rollinupeverest5042 yea but Devons point is theres no way to tell when reffing a match, he can show where his "bone lock" is but it will be impossible to tell by a ref during the match

[@yournightmareracing1754]

Krasi is saying some men have bone lock where their arm doesn't straighten when extended. When someone utilizes the King's move with a bone locked arm, if the arm gets straightened to its maximum position, Krasi is saying that is a win.

[@devlarratt]

For reference how krasi likes the open top - kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6bCZI15jtqHo80si=4jEaSJgWIC66ulim

[@Jeepster777]

@@devlarratt what’s up future glory hole bodybuilder

[@reverse2063]

Agree,my king.This dude is paid by Clown Engin who can only suck on other hardwork Armwrestlers.He steals others' efforts and success by mindlessly belittling the people he needs to belittle.😅I see this so called EVW circles truth years ago.Engin is nothing,he uses amateurs to direct hatred towards great Armwrestlers whenever he needs to control and devalve the sport.We never want that low iq clown in this wonderful sport.

[@reverse2063]

Agree,my king.This dude is paid by Clown Engin who can only suck on other hardwork Armwrestlers.He steals others' efforts and success by mindlessly belittling the people he needs to belittle.😅I see this so called EVW circles truth years ago.Engin is nothing,he uses amateurs to direct hatred towards great Armwrestlers whenever he needs to control and devalve the sport.We never want that low iq clown in this wonderful sport.

[@TOSIQ590]

😂

[@jmangames5562]

Our Spear 💪. Always dropping facts

[@cC_97_Cc]

Kinda agree with Krasi here. For example look at the MMT vs Genadi rematch, you can see Michael visibly struggling when his arm is anywhere between center to around 2 inches above the pad but as soon as his hand gets really close to being pinned he suddenly looks a lot more comfortable, the strain is gone from his face and he just starts to chat with the referees saying 'no, not a pin' 'not even close' etc. while Genadi is literally red-lining on his hand. I think the key to beating Michael is to fight him without getting too close to the pad for a while to tire him out, and then get in a quick press when he's not expecting it. If you take him down close to the pad right in the beginning and try to pin him, you're just fighting a losing battle against his bone lock from there, basically tiring yourself out while he just chills.

[@louisolivierfortin]

Absolutely agree. The refs could give you a couple of second to recover to an acceptable angle, if you dont then you get a foul

[@HehehexDD]

with your logic mmt should be #1. Devon shit on him because devon understands how to counter the kings move. what's stopping others from adjusting and learning how to counter the kings move?

[@DoctorStrange01]

i will just copy-paste my own comment Ok, in one match one guy will have a "bone lock" and won't be able to extend the arm any more, and in the other another guy won't, but both of them will get fouled and/or lose because of the same rule applied :D That's just insane giving so much power to a referee who already decides matches based on false judgements anyway, there are numerous examples :D Thank god they've added this "VAR" thing at least, same thing happens in every sport, in football (soccer for some of you) matches, literally whole champions that happen yearly or every few years, were sometimes decided by human error and poor enforcement of the rules based on personal judgement or even bias, no one knows what's in the refs' heads :D

[@mence5992]

​@HehehexDD I mean has Todd a loss since he came back? He could potentially be Number One at the end of 2025. That would probably prove his point.

[@adamculjak3627]

Then explain why Michael couldn't win a match to save his life before the injury. He was using the same move. So it's a bone lock, but everybody was beating it? Makes no sense. Look I was against the old Kings move where the competitor could basically sit on the ground they were so far under the table. Here we have Levan, probably the most dominant athlete we've ever seen in this sport. Dude wipes out everybody he faces, but you guys are over here complaining about an athlete that isn't even a title holder saying his move is too OP. It sounds ridiculous.

[@Dmgolfer22]

The kingsmove has been effectively banned now with the humorous declining rule. There’s literally nothing to complain about anymore.

[@ccbgaming6994]

Exactly

[@polarbear4612]

I think what they’re saying is that some guys arms just don’t straighten anymore so they can keep the humorous level with the hand still above the pin pad. That’s why MMT can have a casual conversation while keeping his hand inch above the pin pad with his opponent redlining trying to pin him. He’s locked out and doesn’t need much effort to keep the teeter totter that is his arm up.

[@pumppump5428]

The strange thing is that the declining humorous is not something these guys mention here. It shouldn't even be called a kingsmove any longer. The "kingsmove rule" is ok now but not back in the wall time when Devon and Michael was allowed to sit on the floor.

[@Dmgolfer22]

@@polarbear4612 If that was truly the case with Michael he would have been unbeatable. But we know that hasn’t been the case. People have beaten him and pinned him. So that nullifies your argument that he’s just casually sitting on a bone lock not using any effort. He got a really strong sticking spot that has obviously gotten stronger in his come back. And secondly, you can’t start punishing athletes for abnormalities in their arm or body. That’s a slippery slope.

[@polarbear4612]

@@Dmgolfer22 He was actually undefeated for quite awhile so the point is valid. People were unable to get past the sticking point where he was clearly not using much effort to keep from being pinned. It’s why they started addressing it as a problem and I don’t see many people, especially the fans, wanting to go back to that. Look at the match in WAL where Todd beat Devon. It was an ugly match and Devon, regardless of what he says here, could not get past Todd going under the table.

[@mihaly1555]

agreed with krasi been saying the same thing for years. bone lock mean u have no power to stay in game and with bone lock u can gain soooooooo fucking much that's just making it unfair

[@rumraket38]

Successful routine kingsmovers are just coincidentally all guys who can't straighten their arms fully.

[@bakters]

"I don't like losing, so make the rules so I keep on winning."

[@sankhawkulathantille]

Open arm top roll ✅✅ Desperation move 🚫🚫

[@hdhardy1359]

TITLE S WRONG, ITS not about kings move, its about BONE ON BONE ARM ANGLE LIMIT helping the king move

[@SirBagelsFGR]

Sad to see such a legend of the sport not fundamentally understand what the kings move does. If your pronation and rise are strong enough then dragging is what matters not bicep curling, the bone lock would allow for you to dip during the pins to avoid being pinned but that should be called a foul nowadays.

[@keyboardrambo]

basically it doesn't matter what it does. It bores the shit out of me as a viewer just like flop press does, when the dude's body is on your half of the table and he's pushing you off the table instead of pulling you to the side, like he is supposed to. Both these techniques legitimacy aside look like garbage and I'd choose a hook/top roll/side pressure match any day over them.

[@Pepe-pq3om]

​@keyboardrambo It doesn't matter that you find it boring, other people find it entertaining

[@A_Mystery_Man]

I think the best argument I heard is that the King's Move is not invincible. That doesn't make it a smart move. It basically forces you to resort to waiting for your opponent getting tired until you can stand up. I'm tired of people acting like it's some move that you should have in your arsenal. You know what would be even better? If you were strong enough to do Travis Bagent high side pressure and pin everyone with ease that way. Why would you train to be stretched out to where you have no options?

[@TheMightySilverback_]

@keyboardrambo Hook matches are actually pretty fucking boring, why don't you hate them? Let's watch 2 guys stay in the middle with eachother for a minute until one of them gasses, wooow!

[@AdamLighter1]

​@@A_Mystery_ManKings move is a natural counter to Travis style. You are limiting the sport with your biased beliefs that are based on what? Arbitrary rules and ideas?

[@theduffman9834]

Kingsmove is already banned. Shoulder below table is a foul, so theres no more to complain

[@HumptyHampi]

It's a still a kings move, but legal ;)

[@timothymabulay3563]

​@@HumptyHampibut it makes it more beatable,its beatable even before it was allowed to go lower, John breznk beat MMT's kings move before the rules change about the km

[@m373x]

Rule should be shoulder below elbow.

[@catraaa5261]

That's called a legal king's move wigga, still unbanned and should remain that way.

[@loganlandis5935]

Exactly. Its just an open arm top roll. Defensive hold. Yes micheal has a bone lock. But are they gonna banned him from the sport?

[@timothymabulay3563]

for me the rule where your shoulder must not drop below the elbow pad is enough for me,it makes the kings move more beatable,no need to remove the move

[@davidwashburn5951]

With the kings move the arm angle prevents pinning, it is total BS, as a fan I don't want to see it

[@arebee9024]

How come #1 isn't a kingsmover then?

[@MelbourneMaster]

Yea its not a bonelock, its an injury that caused Devons arm to be unable to straighten out. A misuse. Same as with MMT. To be fair it should be a loss when the arm goes as straight as it can. But Devon and MMT can sit there since the arm cant go straight, so it gives the illusion that they havent been beaten. Also right now the kingsmove is a contributing factor to the sport *not* *evolving* , not the other way around. When I show armwrestling to my non-armwrestling friends, they completely lose interest when they see the kingsmove, because they, just like most of us, can see its a bullshit move.

[@Mentally-Extinct]

Every move has a fucking counter. For like half of this conversation, Krasi either couldn't explain his flawed thought process, or wasn't even able to come up with a reply in the first place when Devon pushed back on what he was saying. It's also very clear that he isn't really all that knowledgeable when it comes to the King's Move in general, and the biggest clue is due to what he said at the end. Never gonna make everyone happy at the end of the day, though, so whatever.

[@AaronJensen92]

Krasi is mostly an inside puller, he has no real press or outside move. Plus he has shorter levers so the kings move can be a nightmare for him

[@Mentally-Extinct]

@@AaronJensen92 Mostly just seems like he wants the Kings Move removed because it inconveniences him and his style of pulling, which is stupid.

[@AaronJensen92]

​@@Mentally-Extinctdude needs a press

[@i.c.wiener2750]

Devon had no counter when Krasi said the no person has a sticking point just before the arm gets completely straight.

[@NytronX]

The rule of "humerus can't be at a declining angle" completely balances the King's move. We saw that when this was enforced in the COVID era, MMT lost his effectiveness with the move for a while there and had to almost relearn the move.

[@vids595]

So long as both shoulder are above the table and the angle of the humerus is not declining, I'm fine with it.

[@DoctorStrange01]

2:50 and on is crazy, lol. Krasimir wants to push his point across, but allows no niuance :D As much as you dislike Devon, he will always get into details about stuff. Not only Devon, but the other guys here also say you literally can't ever tell whether a guy has his arm 100% extended and that's his limit and he just hangs there :D I mean basically anyone with common sense would say that. You can't say "ok, you're at your limit buddy cause i say so, i am fouling you for that right now based on my judgement about what you can do with your body based on my own imaginary calculations and opinion" :D Ok, in one match one guy will have a "bone lock" and won't be able to extend the arm any more, and in the other another guy won't, but both of them will get fouled and/or lose because of the same rule applied :D That's just insane giving so much power to a referee who already decides matches based on false judgements anyway, there are numerous examples :D Thank god they've added this "VAR" thing at least, same thing happens in every sport, in football (soccer for some of you) matches, literally whole champions that happen yearly or every few years, were sometimes decided by human error and poor enforcement of the rules based on personal judgement or even bias, no one knows what's in the refs' heads :D I am sorry but Krasi you have nothing here really. We can all agree that things like kingsmove or pressers putting their whole bodies across the table suck as techniques and are silly, but this ain't it either.

[@i.c.wiener2750]

You suffer from selective hearing. Krasimir explained very well that you don't have to measure the arm angle or whatever Devon tried to ridicule Krasimir's statement with. No person in this world has his sticking point a few percent off the bone lock/straight arm. Literally no person. So whenever a person is holding another person with a (almost) completely straight arm, the ref can call a Kingsmove. There is no debate about the arm having a bit more range of motion or not. If you're holding your opponent there, it's not with your muscles. If for whatever reason it looks like people actually are using their muscles in that position (maybe both are using the Kindsmove simultaneously?), then the ref can simply let it happen. But in it's core the rule should be: Your arm gets straightened out = You lose. That's the essence of armwrestling.

[@dantedemello]

0:30 completely agree with corey

[@vasylvoina6663]

The question to all the kingsmove advocates. Would you love seeing a match when two opponents go full gingsmove right from the start?

[@ielfrancisco]

I think devon and Dave did this. Watch their rematch

[@dfg12382]

We shouldn't walk around and ban moves for no reason, it only makes the variety of the sport thinner. Next time someone loses to Jerry, they are going to ask to ban the Flop press? The kings move is by no means the end-all-be-all and has lost as often as it has won. I don't see any problem with it.

[@i.c.wiener2750]

Armwrestling is about straightening the other person's arm. The kingsmove is literally a position where you SHOULD lose. Your arm is as straight as your arm can be. It's like getting KOed in boxing or being in a checkmate in chess. That armwrestling allows that position to be a winning position is bullshit.

[@abel78750]

Queens Move 😂.

[@yuleassagai1684]

The worst kind of kingsmove is the MMT kingsmove. That lock is nasty, and it's horrible to watch his opponents burn themselves out trying to rip through it.

[@MrJesseBell]

It’s the same as hating leg locks in grappling when your opponent has flexible ankles and knees.

[@giovanni5954]

devon doesn't use it as bonelock but mmt does for sure

[@i.c.wiener2750]

Bro, Devon can't straighten his arms for shit. He is completely bone locked.

[@giovanni5954]

@@i.c.wiener2750 devon use it closer to a 90º angle

[@haziqzia5671]

The hand is part of the arm, kings mover loose the arm but keep their pronation. So it isn't actually giving away everything & surviving with a bone lock. It's simply a trade off just like any other technique.

[@davidbrisi58]

Devon will argue anything

[@i.c.wiener2750]

Anything that will help him win

[@DW_drums]

And this is why Brian vs Eddie was so much more entertaining than all the professional arm wrestlers ! Give it a few more years and there will be enough people to sustainably split into two leagues - WWF style (sloppy rules but super fun) & a technical league (for the 'purists')

[@g_gockel]

The fucking bar is moving

[@xrtsA]

As long as the move has a counter I think it’s fine but I also think there should also be new restrictions for it like not letting the the dominant shoulder sink below the table or something like that because no one wants to watch 2 guys try and hold each others entire body weight with one arm while their whole body is hanging below the table.

[@priyamhazarika_]

If you are strong enough, you can easily open the bone lock. And if you cant, its still okay because the kingsmover had achieved the bone lock through years and years of training and hardwork

[@kongzillatoho4558]

People bitch about kings move all the time, but that didn't stop Genadi and Levan from pinning anybody. If kings move its cheating. Devon and Michael Todd would have been the only ones competing for the world title in the sport.

[@keyboardrambo]

Levan is like 2x stronger than Devon, so even cheating doesn't close the gap

[@Andreimaran69]

Yeah so become 200 kg's like Levan to stop Laratt at 105

[@acurex249]

@keyboardrambo exactly just be strong enough to beat the kingsmove

[@unxformat5745]

When going against the Kings move, do give in to it..pull them out of the kings move to an upright position, do keep going hard. Make them think you are on the losing side, bring them back upright and try to keep the match going. Don't waste energy in early rounds trying to press a pro with an elite kings move. That's like trying to out bench someone 4 times your size.

[@michaelkarouzos]

In other sports, we don't determine the extent to which bone, tendon, and muscle should be utilized and to what percent for whatever movements the sport requires. we also allow athletes to put their body at risk and on the line. Some people have strengths in one of those categories more than the others, and it makes the sport all the better to see how they end up pulling based on their anatomical traits. a smaller scale example of this is that the rules don't control the exact way the hand should move, in or out of the strap, and that has even more variation than the forearm and upper arm. Like the guys are more or less agreeing on, the rules are a reflection of the diverse styles and strengths of everyone. it's most fair to allow everyone to play to their respective strengths, since it's a strength sport.

[@deeeeeeps]

The problem with the king's move was when the humerus was allowed to drop below on the defensive side. MMT was dropping under the table so far his elbow wasn't the pivot point anymore but his forearm was. His arm was sinking into those soft rounded pads in WAL. This gave MMT an incredible amount of leverage and was clearly pretty lame. However, the more technical you can make arm wrestling the better. I think it is very well balanced right now.

[@amandahuginkiss4098]

MMT would have his elbow completely off the table and braced against the back of the pad. I agree MMT took it too far

[@nxtlvlrecords3238]

Guys i think the bonelock is a strange theory its Not the bones that is changing about you Armwrestling career itvis the tendons getting shorter and can still be stratched out.

[@mymodel6]

Then they should be tested to see if it can straighten out, if not, raise their pin pad..

[@dcgaming6898]

krassi actually doesn't know how a kings move works lol.

[@gk4578]

Desperation move* doesn't deserve kings name , cowardly move

[@ccbgaming6994]

@gk4578 Casual

[@FanatecSystem]

​@@gk4578No. Say what you will, but you heard what Devon said to Krasi at the end of the video.

[@sprawlz6466]

@@gk4578 if it’s so easy then try it out. And don’t cry when you break something

[@natbornpuller]

I agree with Krasi.

[@kennyproctor7691]

Kingsmove is for the weaker opponent. You only go to a kingsmove if you aren't strong enough to keep from being opened up and this is a fact. Personally I think the kingsmove should be banned.

[@aaronrus]

I agree. Simplify the sport, get rid of the kings move foul, as long as the arm is not straight, and get rid of the centerline foul

[@tristandrew5903]

Think it should be kept.but can see the frustration it can cause. If kings move was an mma fight it's the equivalent of the guy being ground and pounded for ages but with defensive half guard. Ie technically beat at that moment unless opponent tires or you find a way out

[@MedardoLomeli]

Ermes. Hold my pasta.

[@jmangames5562]

Corey nailed it! So what if 60% of pullers think the press is stupid it should be removed? All moves benefit certain people or aka what there not good at!!

[@onisansensei143]

Kingsmove, desperation move, open toproll or whatever, shoulder below or not parallel to the table in a losing position is not allowed. They do implement that in official matches as far as I know. It's just ugly you know, once your shoulder goes below the table in a losing position it becomes a desperation move, it's hard to watch for me, I'd rather see you lose in a good fashion or win with intentitional fouls and desperation move. As long as your shoulder stays parallel to the table in a losing position, I think people are okay with that.

[@chrispyott4083]

My problem with it is having the humerus less than 90 degrees multiple times, the refs take so long to call it, and it tires out the stronger puller

[@jiripirinen4264]

Auden has a good kingsmove and there is no way he has any level of bonelock. He is a kid 🤣

[@ConeruZ]

I so agree that the kings move is boring and ugly. However, I also think it's kinda small minded to go, "I don't like this move so it should be banned". The kings move is not unbeatable. Levan showed how the right technique and superior strength can beat it. If you're complaining that you have to be stronger and better than your opponent to beat them you're not a real competitor. We have agreed upon rules to make the matches fair. No declining humerus for example. I can't see how the current rules are unfairly favouring the kings move.

[@r.a.fiallos234]

I agree with Krasi. Of course the arm is all the way outstretched. And Dev goes over center line, he’s tall. And of course you rest more in KM position.

[@ethandurnzie3876]

Go watch him vs georgi again, literally kings moves the entire match

[@nickd.7267]

Shoulder across the center line prevents somebody from laying on the table completely blocking the lane to ever pin them. The shoulder below the table line I think needs corrected to shoulder below the pad line because some people's arms don't straighten. Cough ( ) ( ) cough

[@elemental3066]

tbh if there is a bone lock and no pain at all, its kinda busted

[@chrisottenstroer7202]

As long as the shoulder is not in a decline position what are we even talking about!?

[@MiguelJimenez-un4rm]

I get the comment section disagreeing with Krasi but dammit show some respect for a legend for f..k sake.

[@adam_nykali]

Kings move if the upper tricep is flat or lower than the pad could be rule to disallow because then it's bone lock

[@audriulis]

Corey has the point there, if you ban one you have to ban the other, if not, you just have to figure out the way to beat it, like Levan and Ermes did against Jerry. The funny thing is the only way to beat KM is a press 😁

[@Drett25]

You can tell a legit kings move with crazy george and Yoshi, then watch devon or michael just relying on his block the way they go under the table. The way devon armwrestles is legit kings move. But once he is in trouble he goes under the table, and that puts more strain on the opponent since he can rely on his bone and not muscle

[@gr3atestthink3r86]

Exactly, only fanboys love this cheating move.

[@dman3526]

Every demographic has their Fudds. It’s just a part of life 😂

[@davidwashburn5951]

Kings move is bullshit

[@bayardogonzalez6621]

They weren't really debating the move, it was kind of a 2-on-1 for the King's move

[@andrelarocque5967]

Legalize javalins and kings moves because they both counter each other.

[@PronatorTendon]

I don't care if it's a bone lock, if someone actually has a bone lock, they have an advantage. An advantage that can potentially be overcome. If someone's arm can withstand all of your force, you can't pin them, period. If it can't, you'll pin them. Pullers have a right to rely on their bone structure

[@RieklinRideR]

everyone agrees something based on their technique

[@jastheavatar7860]

Kings move is fine until your arm really becomes strait. Example is when I see Auden do it and his arm completely gets straighten out…this should be a foul but if your arm is still locked in and not straight like Devon should be okey . Another example was when Devon fought Dave Chaffee for the first time that kings move of Devon was too much because Devon’s arm completely got straightened out

[@i.c.wiener2750]

Devon's arms cannot be straight anymore. And that's exactly Devon's point, how can you tell when someone is "just" using a bone-lock compared to using muscles. And Krasi had the perfect answer: Nobody has a sticking point that close to being fully straight. If you're able to stop the match in THAT position, it's an illegal move. It's easy as that. Armwrestling is about opening up the other person's arm. It's ridiculous that people can win after having their arm completely flattened and even using that as a winning position.

[@enzoperezfranciscovich975]

Krasimir👍🏻

[@bbilguunonof7195]

Kings move is okey its actually very technical but Kamils kind of shoulder press should be a fault

[@Djfjfjrhhrjrhrhfj]

I’m kinda on both sides. I like a kings move as a defensive option and to add another style to the sport, but it becomes ridiculous when you’re completely flattened out and still not pinned. I’m not sure what the solution is, but I’m sure there is a way to make the kings move a viable option without it being so goofy at times.

[@jarrodgoulart1762]

It's like everyone complaining there are too many 3 point shots in the NBA. Like it's easy to shoot 3s. The kings move should be ok if your shoulder is above the table. You have to let the sport breathe.

[@i.c.wiener2750]

Let Devon fight against Michael and say again "let the sport breathe" after watching 40 minutes of double kingsmove.

[@bobbyolsenkilic622]

John and levan thinks its a Sissy move so i choose to belivie the goat and the curently best puller.

[@rollinupeverest5042]

Dude you can't say goat when you're talking about John and then insinuate that it's Devin😂😂😂😂

[@Jeepster777]

@@rollinupeverest5042he never insinuated that..

[@michaeltrumph121]

​@@rollinupeverest5042 He meant John is the GOAT

[@PoriPullers]

i would like to know what Krasi thinks Sventans way of pulling ? :D

[@MobaCry]

What Krasimir means is that kings move is actually not armwrestling anymore.

[@bsstyle123]

Why... it's using your arm...

[@tolga777GER]

@@bsstyle123 yes. but if the arm gets opened too much it should count as a pin, like some referees practise.

[@bsstyle123]

@tolga777GER weird take.. if the arm opens up too much? Insanely hard to judge that as a ref and the more we put the fight in the refs hands the worse the product gets

[@Xabi_MM]

The more small details you try to put into the reffing with these arm angle - bonelock details, there more complicated it gets, to the point where a computer should call the fouls instead of a human.

[@Ja_ist_gut]

Nobody has a problem with the kingsmove. Just with Michaels kingsmove

[@priyamhazarika_]

I think i have more knowledge than krasi even as a newbie armwrestler😂😂

[@iTheFrenchReaper]

The problem Krasi has is he does not care about or take into account the fans. Athletes exist due to fans and fans exist due to athletes. In this room, you should have stated your opinion as fan representative i believe our voice matters more than "All the armwrestlers should decide" because in the end we buy or not buy.

[@Dharqness]

cory is so out of his element trying to talk and not grunt

[@alchmag1297]

Evolution of the sport is necessary.

[@adeeltk]

Dislike for King's move is understandable, but where do we stop? Press can also be argued to be an ugly move.

[@i.c.wiener2750]

Armwrestling is about straightening the other person's arm. I know what you mean about the press, but at least I'd call it a "winning position" since the angel in your arm is very closed. The kingsmove is literally a position where you SHOULD lose. Your arm is as straight as your arm can be. It's like getting KOed in boxing or being in a checkmate in chess. That armwrestling allows that position to be a winning position is bullshit.

[@studdpuppy85]

Arm wrestling is more of a crazy mma match now. All sorts of crazy stuff going on. But if it was more traditional, the top guys would be extremely clear. Guys like Devon would have no chance.

[@ArmoredG]

Man Krasimir is such a legend of the sport but he doesnt understand what the kingsmove is about, not saying i know better but like most kingsmove haters they thought it's an unbeatable move. If so then Devon would have won with his kingsmove and defeat Levan which is a really good point by Corey

[@Ethan_la]

Bruh just master the Toddroll to beat a kings mover 😂

[@saiyanspirit8199]

Every match you can see Michel under the table tod pretend like he is working hard then his wife or someone on his team says something and he just listens for 5-10 seconds with straight face while other guy just giving his all in to his bone lock, and then todd goes back to acting and yes when he is activly trying to take wrist or pronation he is working but elbow part is just resting and only way you win if desperation move user believes you will hurt him and he surrenders after some press or speed hiting with top roll like Devon did. And lets not forget main reason its bad, its awefull to watch as viewer, well with exception of few fans of desperation move or its user.

[@asonei3531]

It's probably true that such "technical" developments advance the sport and lead to increased technical ability. but i agree with krasi that people getting an advantage through a fucked up elbow that has a significant bone lock which they're resting on, is not what the sport should be turning into. but then again krasis rule suggestion is hard to enforce

[@Pepe-pq3om]

It's not a bone lock though, If my pronation is good enough I can kingsmove, if I don't then I just get stretched out and loose and I don't have a bone lock. If you are more familiar with the kingsmove you know what's preventing the pin is the twisting pressure you generate by dragging to the back of the pad and while and going sideways while your hand can't suponate more (it's like pronating through your frame) and having a bone lock probably would help, but it's not fundamental to the move.

[@asonei3531]

@Pepe-pq3om oh yeah, i know you can do a kingsmove without a bone lock and it's not the essence of it. Lars robakken vs lachlan was a good example that demonstrates the twisting into pronation. But in that case, the flop press can deal eith the kingsmove as done by lachlan and the "balance" is still given. But when jablonski is leaning on michael todd with his full weight and the arm doesn't straighten it is obvious that the bone lock is there and that it's the only thing keeping michael from being pinned and i don't like that

[@inspired1639]

Maybe the reason when Kamil is pressing all his weight on MMT and his arm doesnt straighten is cuz MMT is one of the greatest AWers of all time and hes trained to be strong in that position for 15 years? It just seems unusual cuz 99% of Arm wrestlers train to never get into that position, so when they do they get squashed quickly vs MMT who trains to get into that position in the first place

[@asonei3531]

@@inspired1639 when kamil surges, nothing moves. It is a bone lock.

[@inspired1639]

@@asonei3531 or because MMT is strong asf in his position

[@armwrestlingfan6804]

Set up Krasi vs Alizhan on right arm.

[@arebee9024]

Wouldn't it be great if michael todd somehow beats levan with the kings move. The cry heard around the world.

[@senditsillly1423]

Kings moving isn’t a bone lock. Either you’re strong enough to push through the last 3 inches of the kings move or your not. Just look how Genadi pushed through Michael Todd’s kings move the first time cause he was strong enough and the second time he couldn’t because he wasn’t strong enough.

[@DiRazor]

Arbiters should ask competitors, before the match, to show their straighten arms. In that way they can understand what is the winning angle for each one 😀I know, I know, professional armwrestling, no safety rules, no need for them. Anyway, in such way, we could show amateurs that it's a dangerous and we could prevent many tore biceps etc.

[@brandenbizelli654]

If you’re humerus is parallel why is it such an issue. It’s a desperation move to burn out an opponent.

[@666evo666]

The other guy is right, its an evolution of the sport. I recall watching Arm wrestling in the 90s when I was a kid and It was boring af with no style and very little technique. If it wasnt for kings move and other techniques I and many other millions of people would not be watching arm wrestling today. Where do you draw the line if you ban kings move like devon is pointing out then whats next ban flop press and watch the devolution of the sport. Some of these old style thinkers just need to adapt and move on as sports evolve over time so do champions.

[@kirkvj8330]

as long the shoulder are above the table, thats only acceptable kingsmove in my opinion..

[@finmason8339]

I agree with krasi

[@I_Never_Lie]

Why? He didn’t even bring up a good point.

[@michaeltrumph121]

​@@I_Never_Lie Yes he did

[@camdensworld0516]

Devon does not have a bone lock, but Michael definitely does. That right arm does not straightens

[@michaeltrumph121]

Larratt has one too

[@allanbrunelle]

Its just a silly argument. The only guys that ever complain about the kings move are guys who cant beat the kings move, have no kings move and have no press. Its always guys who pull primarily in a hook or primarily in a toproll who dont like the kings move because its the hardest thing for them to overcome. Just stop complaining and armwrestle

[@Takki_Pakki]

All I got to say the guys are the one who make the rules cause they the one who uses the moves Of keeps this way the sport never gonna evolve