DEWALT DWS780 | The BEST Miter Saw for Production Trim Carpenters???

[@InsiderCarpentry]

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[@cadcamfreak]

Another great blade to try is the Ridge Carbide brand. Little bit thicker on the kerf than the FS blade, smaller hook angle for less grabbing of smaller/thinner wood pieces, such as end returns. Good price too. Switched from pricier Forrest blades, and haven't been disappointed. Give them a try. ridgecarbidetool.com/collections/miter-radial-saw-blades/products/12-x-80-ar-4-1-2-hk-095-125-rs1000-super-miter

[@jameshill4900]

Good information on the blades. The Type 22 779 also has some other differences from the 780. No steel bevel lock knob (plastic on 779), no positive pawl bevel stops, and no lock lever for the slide for a quick plunge setting. The newest version of the 779 weighs the same as the 780 at 56 pounds. It was older type 20 was listed at 67 pounds. Also the two piece adjustable throat is now a non adjustable one piece. Both saws are made in Taiwan.

[@adrianpirnau9486]

Hello from Moldova Europe...in my country dewalt dws780 costs $ 1,500 I was thinking about buying or not...But you're definitely convinced me ...in my country this price is enormous...I will work for three months for this tool..I think it's worth it..

[@Galgamoth]

DWS779 is discontinued

[@jowho9992]

I am looking to buy but I am seeing some negative videos. Is the 780 having quality issues?

[@krispin9141]

Was wondering why I couldn’t buy any bessey clamps. Spencer owns them all.

[@jeffreyeiford2750]

That’s funny !!

[@scottbeattie4668]

I bought the 780 2+ years ago based on your recommendation. It’s a great machine. The value can’t be beat.

[@Tez73]

Spencer I’ve got the dw 708 . It’s the best saw I’ve ever had in 40 years . I calibrated it and it’s spot on in both planes . Your abs spot on what you said about the blade . Thank you

[@njhw4990]

Thanks for the video! I have my Kapex for 8 years now with no problems or adjustments to be made, I was using it every day at construction sites for about the first 4 years, now using the 12" Dewalt Flexvolt on a Ridgid wheeled stand daily and the Kapex for when I need to cut repetitive panel moldings or just window and door casings, love both saws, for dust collection on the Dewalt I use the Rousseau hood and the best 12" blade I found so far that works great against deflection is the CMT 90T.

[@ricardovarajr]

I’ve had the Dewalt DWS779 for not even a month and it’s an amazing tool. The feel of it and the build, I can tell it’s going to last me years.

[@cuttheknot4781]

Thank you for making this video. I abhor those who make purchases (especially for their business) that are based upon the Gucci factor, You know, the guys with the $70,000 pickup "work" trucks that have bed covers and no lettering (or worse: illegible fancy lettering) to muck it up. You know the same guys that purchase $400 coolers that weigh more empty than most others when full and $40 matching coffee mugs...sorry, you got me going. I have owned 2 Dewalt DWS series and I feel the same way. One is 8 years old and has the same zip as when new. I love your pragmatic approach to life and business; may the thinker (as opposed to the impulsive "feeler") always prevail. God Bless you and your family.

[@mr.smitty1993]

I agree. If I am meeting with a contractor that’s driving a GMC Denali, first thing I’m going to ask is if I am paying for my home or his truck.

[@Twiddlies]

Bought a 779 and found a light kit for an additional $75 a few months back. It is heavier but I use a rolling stand so the weight isnt an issue for my applications. I’m very happy with the performance, savings over the 780 and overall quality.

[@ericrmccormick]

I added the light kit too. It was easy. I am not so sure about the weight. Every time I have looked at them at a store I see nothing at all different other than the light.

[@Pencil-Eating]

Thank you for putting together this video. I have been trying to decide between the Makita LS1219L and this DeWALT DWS780. I have read some reviews that some of the Makita units need to have a piece of wood placed between the rails and cranked to get the rails to align with the blade. When you consider the fact that I'd be paying $700 for a saw that needs that type of adjustment out of the box, I realized I could get the DeWALT *and* a stand for the same price and similar performance. I've seen the work you do and it makes me more confident that this saw is not just for framing - it can handle the fine finish work I will be doing.

[@ThisTall]

There’s a channel called the building guru that has a fantastic tutorial series on how to make that 780, 100% machine square. I have a bit of a testimony with this saw cabinet installing with it for 7 years. In my opinion the 780 is perfectly accurate for trim and general carpentry. It took me a lot of effort to do many high skilled jobs but I got a ton of great work done with it, and there’s plenty to like about it. I loved the light on it but found it useless as a blade indicator because the shadow isn’t hardly even visible from full extension and not crisp until the blades basically touching the work piece so I don’t consider the 780 to be equipped with a blade indicator at all imo. I went through 4 of the 780’s in 3 weeks just taking them home, setting them up and finding the fence and/or base was twisted out of plane, so the blade couldn’t be squared to both sides of the fence. After going through all 4, I found they all had the same fence wing issue, and while taking them off and sanding them down perfectly flat (in plane) I found the channels they slide in were machined out of plane, so even after machining the fences flat, as soon as I adjusted either one out a bit, left/right, they were out plane again so it wasn’t possible to totally fix that issue no matter what. Also, after finding this issue in all 4, in 3 weeks the rep said he wouldn’t exchange me another saw, and the Bosch and Makita’s at the time had noticeable issues of their own that I didn’t want to deal with, so I just stuck it out with the 780. After going through the rest of the saw I found that while the centre base was relatively in plane to the side bases, it went out of plane when moved left or right, so again it was a problem that could not be fixed because the platform the Center base sits on was out, so even when I machined all 3 bases to be in plane while at 0°, it would go out of plane to the left and right. That’s 2 separate issues that could not be totally fixed. So I basically had to resort to drawing a square line or whatever angle I needed on every piece I needed high accuracy on, and just tried to follow it. As unfortunate and shitty as it was, it was possible and I made it work for years. I found out years later that the 780 was made in Mexico and another country so I assumed the one factory was just phoning it in for a cpl years, because I found both of those issues in 5 other new saws after that, totalling 9 saws, including my cousins new 780 he bought 2000 miles away and a year after I got mine. Either way, moral of the story must be #NotAll780s and #NotAllKapex lol because I had just as shit of an experience with the 780 as you had with the Kapex, and now am just as happy with my new Kapex as you are with the 780. Although I do wish the less expensive saw that worked out for me. Lol

[@jimserhant7741]

Thank you for taking the time to make another informative video. I recently purchased the Gen 2 12” Delta Cruzer. So many people told me not to because of the deflection. I found that not to be the case at all. I actually found more deflection on the Festool due to the awkward unnatural position your wrist needs to be in when making cuts.

[@2018tundra]

You are 100 percent honest. I own 3 dewalt saw the last 10 years. Ind I don’t think I will ouwn any ather saw . I tried Bosch. Makita. Festol. Hitachi. Miter saw . None one is for me. Just Dewalt.thanks for your video so all the carpenters can see.

[@nascarhyde]

Best review of the Dewalt 780 I have seen! I just subscribed to your channel! Thanks again for the taking the time to do the video review.

[@frenchyroastify]

I agree with all he says. One other point I'd like to add is that the blade guard is great. You can hold it with your trigger hand to keep it out of the way for accurate cuts. The Kapex runs on the inside and gets in the way at times.

[@Aaron-nj4ou]

I had a Dewalt 779 for awhile and it is a great saw but I was storing under my bench and it was heavy to move I ended up selling it. The extra capacity was overkill for me who is simply a hobbyist and not doing this for a living. As a mechanic for 15 years who owns a lot of Snap On tools I can appreciate quality tools but the Kapex is so incredibly overpriced compared to other mitre saws I don’t even consider it for any mitre saw comparison. I had a Bosch glide for awhile and the glide mechanism was amazingly smooth but it had a lot of head deflection even when locked for chopping. It could have been user error but I did not have the issue on any saw before or since. Great video and sweet shop!

[@michalp2362]

After watching your video I pulled the trigger on the 780. I’m planning on using it only for diy stuff so it’s probably an overkill, but it’s nice to know that I can use it for pretty much anything. I can’t even count how many times I purchased lesser of a tool and then regretted it due to its limitations.

[@InsiderCarpentry]

It'll be a great saw for you for a long long time.

[@2010stoof]

How's it still working for you?

[@elfaga]

i do have a vacuum hooked up to my DW780 and i feel it gets a lot of the dust. Then add the hood from fast cap and you can cut inside a lived in house. Great video!! preaching to the choir.

[@kevinparmelee5609]

That is 100% absolutely true. You have to calibrate a saw right out of the box no matter what kind it is. Even if it was perfect from factory, think about the shipping and handling and it banging around over thousands of miles.

[@Quickened1]

I love everything about my Dewalt, but one feature I love the best, are the ribs on the blade guard. They allow me to use my thumb to hold the guard up while pulling the trigger. Comes in very handy when eyeballing the line sometimes... Now you have me envying your buck eighty blade!!! Guess I don't need it since I don't do production...lol

[@toolman101476]

That point never gets brought up lol. I do the same thing and every time I’m looking at another saw it’s stuff like that (the little things) that keep me with Dewalt

[@aluethge]

@@toolman101476 I had a 10” DeWalt for years then bought the 10” Makita and the first thing I noticed after the fact was the blade guard! It took quite a bit of time to get use to not flipping it up with my thumb.

[@phoenixmacallan763]

DeWALT makes the best tools. They always have. 🙏🏻👍🏻

[@cuebj]

No. Some DeWalt tools are amongst the best, some not. Same with all brands. Not a problem with corded but, with battery power, sometimes you have to compromise to stay on same platform. Now too old to invest in Mafell

[@phoenixmacallan763]

@@cuebj I'm speaking from experience. I've tried them all, from drills to saws, grinders to routers, nail guns to compressors, and the only one that lasts is DeWALT, specially when it comes to cordless. I've been in contruction for 18 yrs and that has been the case for me. Other brands just don't last.

[@jefferyholland]

I am not a big Dewalt fan but I do own and love my 780. It is a beast.

[@chrisgriffin3238]

Thanks Spencer, I have been trying to figure out all the different model numbers. I have to replace mine, it's 20 years old and I have ran it into the ground. But I will say it has not only cut trim with it but loads of framing lumber, timber post, and don't yell at me but aluminum handrails as well. This is a big help.

[@joegrimes6485]

Hi boss , I was having issue with dust collection. I purchased a rousseau 5000 dust hood . It works awesome for working in finished areas . Thx for the info on the saw blade .

[@allenguffey9370]

As trim guys there is a reason we run the DeWalt my first slider was the 708 it was great and they just keep getting better and staying tough

[@mmimnagh]

Just picked one up last week when the motor on my 12" Flexvolt gave up the ghost. Looking forward to using your other videos to tune up the new 780. Thanks man!

[@joshwilliamson7066]

My 12” 120v max also died on me! I can’t bring myself to buy another!

[@Jerry-zz2eu]

I know it hasn’t been tested for longevity, and it was a risk, but I bought the Hercules 12” from Harbor freight last year. It’s basically a dws780 clone. It has been perfect for me, very accurate out of the box, and cuts through anything I’ve thrown at it. With the deals at the time it was $279.99, which was the best deal I could find.

[@msk3905]

I was going to buy the DWS780 until the Hercules came out so waited about another year to see how it played out. I also wanted to put my hands on both to access the quality of each. In the end the two were near identical so went Hercules route since it was 1/2 the price. Everything stated in this video can be said for the Hercules saw at a lower price point.

[@skipanardoross6805]

Lately I've been searching for reviews and opinions regarding miter saw vs table saw sled so I guess that is why this video popped up on my suggestion feed. It may be confirmation bias or even where I am (more to the point, where I'm not) with my skill level but I feel like I can get very accurate cuts with my Hercules 12" saw. I also found it to be accurate right out of the box and it has not failed to perform well with anything put to it. Another thing I noticed was the laser cut expansion slots on the stock blade. That's the extent of what I know about it but, as I understand it, that is better than the stamped blades. I deliberately searched the comments to see if anyone else mentioned it. Yours and the reply from msk3905 are exactly what my thoughts are...or vice versa lol.

[@jakecarter2414]

With dust collection I use the Rousseau 5000 mitersaw dust hood and it works great for me. You should try it.

[@stevenfoust3782]

I’ve used Dewalt 12 chop and then 12” slide compound for 25 yrs no problems. You are 100 on using quality blades. Kapex is way to expensive and not any better. As far as the dust goes well that’s what brooms are for. When you trim out a house there will stuff all over the place anyway.

[@InsiderCarpentry]

Well said.

[@chrislogue5744]

Ive been a proud owner of one myself for almost 10 years now and don't see anyone snatching the miter saw crown from dewalt any time soon. Great video

[@TR-rn3pd]

Took your advice on the 780 last summer and have been happy with the results. Now just need amazon to start selling some of your stealth wings.

[@HandyOleManny]

I've been using the 780 since about 2012. It's my workhorse. I agree that the heavier blades are no problem for this saw. I've not even considered another saw. Great video.

[@GoodVibesOnly1914]

Have another reccomendation for a good blade that isnt $200? I'd like a good blade but not $200 good

[@razztacular]

Great Saw. I run the same saw but use 10'' blades on it. I lose some cut capacity but 10'' blades are a bit cheaper for what I need.

[@nellof1244]

Great idea. That's why I was holding onto my 10.

[@thecarpenterpros9822]

Thanks Spencer I have had my 780 for 5 years and it just keeps on running!

[@sam187st]

Great video. Ide like to also point out that the 779s motor is manufactured with lower quality parts. This is actually where they saving come from from what I've gathered.

[@darrenskinner5928]

I’m with you always have had good luck with dewalt tools love your channel lots of good information from a professional carpenter

[@trevorm7013]

I just got my Milwaukee 12” in today but I’m so glad you knocked those festool fanboys off their perch. It’s about time someone said that

[@jasonpmack]

I just ordered a DWS780 based on this video (and feedback from non-carpentry friends). Great detail - and I MAY just order a better saw blade as directed.

[@oldtireman4665]

I couldn’t agree more with everything you said. The contractor I work with periodically has a 780 he bought 5-6 years ago. It’s taken an absolute whooping and cut a boatload of stuff. However, you could have taken it one step further and mentioned the 12” Flex Volt version of this saw if you want to dive into the deep end of the pool. It’s hard to put a dollar value on being cord free although the AC adaptor comes with it. And, those 60 volt batteries are compatible with all the other DEWALT tools you have laying around, especially if you want to plug em in and run all day. I absolutely love mine and do not regret one penny of what it cost me.

[@codyboyles309]

I have been running my 780 daily for 14 years and its still going strong. replaced bearings 2 years ago but thats it

[@jimfeaster4837]

Your video is right on the dewalt dws Is best value... I tried out a lot of Saws and dws 780 Best accurate for The money.

[@patrickgarvey146]

I'm on my second cheaper one, first one went fifteen years and still use for exterior finish. Totally agree best saw, ease of controls second to none. Battery operated stationary tools (miter saw, table saw, compressor) ridiculous gimmicky waste of money.

[@John-ou3pd]

Spencer I just found and subscribed to your channel.... Fantastic work!!!! In the last 2 yrs I've got turned onto festools love them . I just bought the KS 120 REB saw about 9 months ago I hope I don't run into the same problems you had.. l replaced it with my dewalt DW705 l've still got that saw works great after 20 plus years.. l went for the Kapex saw for its dust collection hooked up to the CT26E vacuum and knew how good the quality is in everything I own festool..

[@jimmanning9152]

Bought the 779 @ Lowe’s for $375 and got the Dewalt stand for free then added the light for $70. Good deal. I believe it was a Black Friday deal.

[@billblong6578]

I love my dewalt saw and stand.. It works great and I have had it for several years.

[@odie00zero]

I discovered that the holes drilled for my fence system were all off from the factory. The bevel on the screws pull the entire system pull both sides out by a half degree. From both left and right sides cut at 90.5 degrees

[@waysaunut]

I have a DWS780 and a Bosch 12'' with the front levers, I like them both

[@creeplife2802]

I bought the 779, it was on sale for about 280 at my local home depot, and I bought the xps light online for around 50 bucks.

[@lyleconway6795]

Is that the only difference between the two models?? I recently bought the 779 on sale too. Didn’t realize it didn’t have the light until I used it the first time

[@LandsharkTank]

Same here, bought it on sale plus a veterans discount. Adding the XPS light was a very easy upgrade/mod and saved a bunch of money. He mentioned the 779 being heavier, I haven't compared, but my saw doesn't travel, so if that is the case a heavier saw is actually better.

[@MR-si1eq]

@@lyleconway6795 He said in the video they are made in different places. He thought the 779 was made in another country. Also didn't hold up as well as the 780. Being abused. But he did say they were both good saws.

[@73ryan]

I have the 779 where do you get the light?

[@MR-si1eq]

@@73ryan check his links. Might be there. Otherwise I'm sure Dewalt will have a part number to look up.

[@duaynenaugle4186]

I’ve had a lot of saws over the years but the 780 has bees the most durable saw of the bunch. As a stair builder I do like the new Makita slider and it’s ability to cut boards to 60 degrees left and right. but it weighs a ton and still only has a laser.

[@rockymount2393]

I have the 12" Makita as well & you're right it is "heavy". Also Makita Detent Plate is made of aluminium & the plate detents wear with time due to the pin/detent in/out friction. Steenwoodwork.com is currently selling a Laser Etched Stainless Steel Detent Plate that fits both the 10" & 12" Mitre Saws for $110. I live in UK & don't know if he will deliver overseas?

[@rockymount2393]

Sorry it stenewoodwork.com

[@VeekndWarrior]

The new Makita 40V cordless miter saws have the led and stainless detent plate. Hopefully that makes its way to the corded models. I really like the forward slide rails and upfront bevel knob on the makita.

[@2010stoof]

After research not only the light, but the bevel knob is plastic, no bevel stops on the sides for those angles used in trim, and the much smaller fence on the 779 vs 780.

[@alrightythen1533]

Another great video Spencer. Agreed on all points. I would like to clarify, I'm not sure where you're finding the weight difference. I've used both and they seem the same, and when doing a check online both saws spec out at 56lbs. But perhaps somewhere they've put out conflicting info. Anyway, the 780 is basically the 779 with the light added. The 779 usually runs $400 USD, while the 780 runs $600. If you don't mind spending an hour of time, people can buy the 779 , and then order the light for like $68 (full kit) and install it themselves. Voila...779 is now a 780! Of course if you don't mind the extra $ and don't want to mess around, just get the 780.

[@jameshill4900]

The older type 20 779 was 67 pounds. There also is a few more differences on the newer type 22 779 vs 780 (other than the light.)

[@alrightythen1533]

@@jameshill4900 good info Thanks!

[@jimknowles5483]

My vote is for the Milwaukee 12" slide Reasons: 1) Digital read out in 1/10 of a degree. Many times you need the precision of moving just slightly. So you try to move your cutting head... and you have to make a cut to see if the head moved?? To answer the question....did it move at all, move backwards, or forward too moch?? This is where the sensitive Digital read out shines!! Example: odd angle joint. You wish to make a miter crown joint. You devide that angle in half. Let's say it's 37.6° . Now you can write it down and accurately return later . This is extremely helpful especially if you are sharing the saw with other crew members !! 2) slyde/head stiffness or rigidity. Pull the cutter head all the way towards you. Lock both the pivoting and head travel down. Now left hand on the saw base and right hand on the cutting head. Test for sideways stiffness!! The Milwaukee is the winner by far compared to all other saws !! This yields a better cut under load. A better joint under load! 3) great double light! 4) 3 year warranty Once you use the digital read out....you will never go back!! just jim

[@kjk7225]

What exactly do you mean by digital readout? What does it display?

[@jimknowles5483]

@@kjk7225 the saw head moves in 2 different ways. The head can pivot or tilt. Let's say you are cutting baseboard or chairail in a room that is retangler. There is no need to tilt the head.....mearly pivot the head to 45° and if the corner is "truly square.....cut. the digital read out (numerical numbers on the small screen) will show actual numbers ...45°. If the corner is not square and you devide the angle....lets say it is less then 90°..... maybe it's 89.8° when you devide the angle equally....you will see these actually on a screen as opposed to a crude pointer on a radius scale. Like a clock indicating time....old fashion....hands pointing to a clock face.....vs a digital read out on your microwave......

[@joemartines3545]

@@jimknowles5483 thanks Jim... the digital feature sounds unique to Milwaukee...

[@jimknowles5483]

@@joemartines3545 Joe, the other competitors do not have the digital read out. They and most carpenters don't realize how insanely important and accurate that precision is!! Besides my saw, I have only seen 2 other 12" Milwaukee slide saws like it. People just don't know.....! just jim

[@joemartines3545]

@@jimknowles5483 Jim, is your saw cordless or corded?

[@aladincarpetcleaning6416]

The weight is the same on both. (56lbs.) I bought the DWS779 at Home Depot for a considerable savings and both the New arm with light and switch on Amazon (all parts included) to make it the same as the DWS780 and saved about $70. Thank you for always providing great tutorial videos and reviews!!

[@GunnyNinja]

Yes, you saved money and voided your warranty.

[@aladincarpetcleaning6416]

@@GunnyNinja For the cost of the saw and it reputation, that wouldn't bother even if it did void the warranty! However, I do maintenance on all my equipment with OEM parts and that doesn't void the warranty.

[@GunnyNinja]

@@aladincarpetcleaning6416 Except that the parts you put in were not installed by the oem. Dewalt figured out what people were doing and if you crack it open and add parts, your warranty goes out the door.

[@aladincarpetcleaning6416]

That's life. A few dollars saved for a better piece of equipment... it will be okay.

[@GunnyNinja]

@@aladincarpetcleaning6416I'm curious. The website says the 780 has an increased miter to the right. 60 degrees instead of 48 on the 779. Is this true?

[@mwgrc]

Just got the DWS780 home. Used one but like barely as they could have convinced me it was new, never used. Paid $250 with the stand which is also new. Good deal and I would take it all day long but........ My first impression is I like my old Ridgid 4221 better. It has everything this 780 has including the shadow line, and everything is about 3" bigger. The rip capacity, the fence width, the depth on the side where you mount the wings, and although I hear everybody saying these belt driven saw's are smoother than direct drive, I don't notice any difference other than the Dewalt seems to have more torque. So much so that it shoots up in the air when I pull the trigger. I'm sure I would get use to that after some use but I'm not cutting 6x6's all day so I'm not sure I need all that torque. This may be a case of liking what I know but I think I'm just going to list it for $400 and hang on to the old Ridgid. Everything I own is Dewalt minus the Miter Saw, so it's not like I am a Ridgid lover, I just honestly like the Ridgid better.

[@waynehobson2956]

I just bought the 780, Thank you for a very informative video

[@lukeegan330]

fyi if you have the time and are looking to save $100 or so you can get the 779 and buy an aftermarket xps kit. takes about half an hour to install, so if you plan on tuning up the saw out of the box it could be a good option to buy the 779 and a light kit for it.

[@Chev56]

I have the DWS790 and agree with everything said in this video (including the need for better dust collection 😉)

[@jimcraiggeezer]

Love my 780...Great saw and powerful with accuracy.. Xps light is the best.. But... Its very heavy and cumbersome.. So I use it on larger jobs preferably on the ground floor.. I use my makita 36v 190mm saw on small jobs as its lightweight but powerful.. Good review, thanks.

[@mchilly]

Great video! I was strongly considering the DeWalt but ended up getting the new Kapex mostly because it came with an angle transfer device. But for real I chose the kapex for the dust collection and all the other positive things you said about it. My Makita 10” is awesome and so is my baby DeWalt 7 1/4 but both of them don’t have the dust collection I’m looking for, even when hooked up to a vacuum.

[@matthewnightengale3729]

Thanks for all your informative videos Spencer. I always learn something from each of them. I recently had the motor fail on my DWS780 type 1. Have you ever had any motor issues? Unfortunately my saw is about three and half years old so no longer under warranty. Even worse Dewalt no longer manufactures the "field" to repair it. I'm in the market for a new saw and a little reluctant to buy another DWS780. That said other than the motor failure it was a great saw.

[@InsiderCarpentry]

My dewalt saws have been bulletproof. They do require the brushes to be replaced every few years of constant use. But thats it.

[@michael.schuler]

Very thorough and detailed review. I'm also a fan of 12" blades and Dewalt MS. For my workflow, I go with non-slider, relying on track saw when wider cuts are necessary. I also believe (superstitiously?) that non-slider is less prone to deflection by design. That said, if I still did much stair work, a slider would also be my choice.

[@InsiderCarpentry]

Non sliders are definitely tighter. I love my 716, I just can't get by without the extra horizontal capacity of the 780.

[@2010stoof]

I just ordered one. Sadly, it's factory refurbished but I got it for $475 and my multi coverage on my current plan with Amazon covers it completely. It's the same one in your link. It links to the reconditioned one. Always had good luck with factory reconditioned so I hope this one is the same

[@martinherr3682]

My favorite saw. Been trimming for over a decade. Second favorite it a Jet. Far superior bevel lock mechanism to dewalt but green laser gets covered by sawdust and must constantly be cleaned.

[@lastditch727]

I'd have to agree. If i wasn't going full cordless i would have bought this for sure.

[@benhellerman3864]

I have the Flex volt Dewalt version its awkward moving it but i wouldn't trade it for anything

[@Scuba_Son]

Awkward because of the weight?

[@benhellerman3864]

@@Scuba_Son yes it's definitely not a balanced tool when carrying it

[@kyletrump8025]

I absolutely love it, I have the gravity stand so I wheel it around

[@kurisutefuru]

You're awesome my guy! I really appreciate all your content.

[@AsHellBored]

779 is the same motor. It's mostly just the shadow box. My 779 was square out of the box. I love mine though. Use it with a saw switch and vacuum, I feel like a boss at my desk. I do wish it had a class 2 green laser.

[@heystarfish100]

Thanks for giving us your deep dive into your saws. Your speaking ability behind the camera has really grown. What are your thoughts about the Bosch and the Delta articulated arm saws for use in construction?

[@InsiderCarpentry]

Thanks, I try and make better videos with each upload. Bosch sent me an axial glide. There was so much movement in the saw head that I never even bothered to use it. I can't speak to the delta.

[@heystarfish100]

@@InsiderCarpentry That sounds disturbing for sure. I’ve never had the opportunity to try one or to know someone who owns one. I wonder if that play can be adjusted out during saw calibration? I enjoyed that video you did on calibrating your saw and appreciated how much time and effort you spent making it what it should have been.

[@lring1559]

@@InsiderCarpentry have you ever used the Milwaukee 12inch slider (corded) and if so what were your thoughts in comparison ?

[@caseydurrans521]

The 780 is HANDS DOWN the best 12" sliding miter saw on the market. The other saws in the same class are good, like the Milwaukee, Ridgid, older Hitachi, and newer Makita, however the DeWalt has the least bit of deflection and slop in the sliding arm. It is just a solid and accurate tool. The light is awesome as well. The dewalt also has the best blade guard too.

[@swooopg]

I love the 780 as well but I have no idea why they stopped making the 708? I like it just a little bit more than the 780 and I still have two 708s that are over 15 years old

[@caseydurrans521]

@@swooopg I too had a 708 back in the day, and that thing was a tank. Like 65lbs, but that thing cut so well.

[@swooopg]

@@caseydurrans521 yeah it's really heavy! But I think that helps a little with accuracy, having beefier components...

[@KizenEnterprise]

I couldn’t of said this any better big Dewalt miter saw fan. Still have 3 780 sliders and one 716 with added light all over 10 years old mounted on Bosh T4B Mobile stands👍🏻❤️❤️

[@foff1972]

great channel! I'm newly subscribed and have been wanting to comment but usually I watch on our Smart TV and there's no ability to comment there. I really think you're an awesome person and a great carpenter! But on this topic I'm gonna have to push back! DeWalt is ok, they've come on strong the last 10 years or so but they're late to the game with sliding miter saws. My MADE IN JAPAN Makita LS 1013 is a lot more refined than the DeWalt and I bought it 20+ years ago....for instance the trigger has a soft start feature that is really nice. I have a friend with this same 12" Dewalt saw and it "jumps" when you hit the start switch....maybe you get used to that after a while but it's just one example of the lack of refinement. I'm glad it works for your work flow Spencer but I just wanted to share with people reading that the DeWalt brand in general ain't really all that. The older Hitachi sliding saws were extremely well made too, before they started outsourcing all the production to China. I'm not hating on DeWalt, I have a few DeWalt tools such as a 16 gauge cordless nail gun that's pretty good, but overall just kind of "OK" and IMO over-rated. But I do understand that with the cordless stuff you kind of have to pick a brand and stick with it. For me it's Makita and I have a bunch of Bosch . Once again, great channel, keep up the great work

[@jimmyvojv]

Good overview. Just bought a 2nd hand 780 with a rolling stand for $300. Gonna buy a nice blade for it.

[@2010stoof]

Man I need to find a deal like that lol. I just got a factory reconditioned one (R after 780) for $475 and I thought I was getting a deal haha

[@zrap1347]

I’m so glad you made this video! I just recently purchased this saw not too long ago and I couldn’t agree more with everything you said about it. Very easy to calibrate ( after watching your video on how to properly do so) and very smooth to handle. I also like the fact how you brought up DWS779, which I was going back and forth between the two. Like you said the only difference was the light, and the $50 difference between them. Also during the time I purchased the DWS780 the Lowe’s locations where I am we’re selling them WITH A FREE STAND!!!! So that was a no brainer !!

[@LARRY4780]

In the trades for 44 yrs. Bar none the 780 Dewalt mitre saw is the most accurate saw out of the box, I’ve ever used!! Always make sure your material is firm against the back stop, if not your material will slam back against and potentially make the U shape back stop out of true!!

[@davem3789]

My guess is not too many trim carpenters have a dial indicator. Quality review. 👍

[@aluethge]

I literally was going to ask what the difference between the 779 & 780 today! glad I have my notifications turned on for when you drop new videos!

[@InsiderCarpentry]

It's somewhat of a mystery. I'm not sure anyone really knows aside from the light.

[@jameshill4900]

There is other differences. Comparing the newest versions of both (type 22) the 779 has a plastic bevel lock knob instead of metal , no preset bevel stops, and no lock lever on the slide. There is no weight difference. 779 weighs the same as the 780 at 56 pounds.

[@TheDesertRat31]

@@jameshill4900 my 779 has a metal knob and a slide lock.

[@jameshill4900]

@@TheDesertRat31 The 21 and 22 had changed the large tri knob at the back to plastic. Is yours brand new? Curious if they have gone back to a metal knob and added that lever back on the side. I'm not referring to knob at the top, it's a quick lock lever on the side that locks on a pin and sets the saw exactly where it should be for plunge cuts.

[@TheDesertRat31]

@@jameshill4900 so does the lock, lock out the slide and make it like a non-slider? I'll have to look. I think it does. I think I have a metal hook that rotates down on to a pin, like you say. I think I've had mine about a year.

[@ponchantos]

Here's someone really on the field 👏🏾

[@markevans7584]

I really enjoy my Bosch gcm12sd, not just for the slide but all the controls are up front, takes a second to calibrate also has a great selection of add ons.

[@joemartines3545]

How is the accuracy of mitre cuts and straightness of longer cuts?

[@markevans7584]

@@joemartines3545 it has a lot of power and likes to pull if you go too deep too quick, a good blade and manageable passes keeps it true.

[@joemartines3545]

@@markevans7584 thanks...

[@josephmerritt1411]

FYI, the price differential 12/2022 between Dewalt DWS780 and DWS779 is roughly $260.

[@Neznisgip]

I still have my DeWalt 708. I think I bought it in 2007, and the motor finally gave out last year. It definitely looks like it been through a war. Maybe one day I'll replace the motor. Thanks for the advice on the LED lights.

[@swooopg]

I bought my 708 in 2005 and have used it nearly every day. I have replaced the brushes, the bearings, and the power cord each twice and it still cuts very accurate to this day!

[@andrewrobertson4171]

I also have a 708 that i bought in 2005 and i love it. All its needed is 3 sets of brushes and i replaced the power cord last week. Its cut so much timber over the years and never lets me down. I use Freud blades on all my saws

[@jt5747]

Dewalt says on their website that the weight is the same for the 779, and the 780. 56lbs. I can't verify if that is actually true. There are a few internal parts that are different; armature, etc.. As others have said, the CUTLINE Blade Positioning System can be easily added to the 779 for about $50-$70. Like Spencer has said, nobody really knows if any of this seems to make a difference.

[@InsiderCarpentry]

I hope I didn't mis speak. I was doing some research that said weight was significantly heavier on the 779. It didn't make sense to me but I assumed the information was accurate.

[@donmundt3573]

We had both on a jobsite and the weight of the 779 & 780 are the same.

[@jameshill4900]

779 Version 20 was 67 pounds. Version 21 and 22(newest) are both 56 pounds. No weight difference between 780.

[@trimcoversit3971]

Another reason the light is superior to any laser is it illuminates your work piece in a dim room as opposed to a laser that will blind you losing sight of your mark.

[@clayton5584]

I like my Dewalts . Radial arm saws from the 40s and 50s

[@dgb5820]

Great review and appreciate the knowledge base and comparing with other saws

[@bret9741]

Spencer are you running into the taller base 8” (7 1/4). This is becoming our most requested base in craftsman/farm style homes. I think the Makita 12” might cut it standing against the fence. I agree about the Dewalt 780 and their latest cordless 60v. I have two complaints about Dewalt. (1) I dislike the rear rail system for the obvious reasons. (2) they stay with what they know.. almost never innovating when it comes to miter mechanics. I’d love to see Dewalt offer a rail system like Makita, Festool or possibly Bosch. The time having a near zero clearance saw is when it’s in a shop or a workstation trailer.

[@chadfallon3378]

Another difference between the DeWalt 779 and the DeWalt 780 is the 780 has a 14 inch Cross Cut capacity at 90 degrees and the 779 has a 12 inch Cross Cut capacity at 90 degrees.

[@stevegrimes5105]

I have the 780 and the fence doesn't stay in miter calibration and it isn't plumb if you lock it with more than a little pressure. The light cut guide is a little off even when the blade is just above the material. I bought the 780 becuase it has the best cut height for baseboard but wish the bosch glide saw had the same height.

[@clowe73]

I tried a delta and dewalt 10” slider 22 years ago. Deflection was an issue and the preset locking sets sucked. If you got close to a 45 it would slide and lock in. It’s good to know they have improved over the years. So I went and bought a 8-1/2” hitachi. I’ve loved it for 22 years. Parts are starting to wear out and the parts and blades are getting hard to find. I’m assuming I’ll need to replace it sooner than later.

[@diverdave4056]

...mmm My Hitachi 8 1/2 is 30 years old and i still LOVE it !

[@saulomarcelinodarochafilgu833]

Great presentation! Very well embased. Congratulations and thanks a lot! It will help me very much!

[@ThreeTwoZone]

Got a new 716 (no light) at Lowe's yesterday for $163 and the stand for $80 yesterday. Great buy?👀

[@2010stoof]

Great great video!!!! I'm going to wait to get the saw to check the deck vs stationary deck, fence to fence, etc before buying the expensive blade lol.

[@flooringspecialist4574]

Definatelly one of the best saws on the market wish they would have 7.1/4

[@swooopg]

They do and it's battery powered

[@flooringspecialist4574]

@@swooopg I know and That's the problem I want a corded one.

[@shigthehandyman]

I also bought the 779 and bought the light through mm tool parts....oem parts for less than a hun.

[@wymershandymanservice9965]

I absolutely agree the Festool products I tried were under powered compared to the Mikita tools I have. I started with Mikita back when they were 9.6 volt then went to Dewalt . Then as money became available I bought a 12” sliding miter Milwaukee has been a work horse. Have had 12 volt Mikita, once my Dewalt batteries continued dying, I bought Mikita brushless and have been extremely impressed. Like I said I tried Festool but was really underpowered compared to my Mikita tools. Best part of Festool is they are easy to sell because they must market better than they build. Every brand of tool out there has some weaknesses so Mikita is my choice due to batteries for that platform. Great content 👍 🇺🇸🦅🌏⚓️🇺🇸

[@DoubleD72]

DeWALT batteries dying? I still have DeWALT batteries from when the 20v line was first released. they still work fine.

[@Slowhand871]

I have had the 12 “ for 20 years and the 8”/7.25” blade cordless for 5 years. I almost never use my 12” anymore.

[@Cousin.Justin]

*Welcome back*

[@PerkBuilders]

The only Ridgid tools I have are my compound miter and my tile saw and I have absolutely zero complaints. Five years strong! Otherwise I’m a Milwaukee fan. My last CMS was a dewalt and the thing fell apart

[@frd3fadi]

I have the same saw and I love it. Thanke brother

[@andrewpinson1268]

I looked for some time at the Festool saw but could not justify the price. Since then I found several people who like you went into the reliability/improvement versus cost of the Festool. So they are now off my list. For me that leaves the Dewalt and Bosch slider in the running.

[@fatmanjoh]

Reliability? With millions of DeWalt mitre saws recalled? The Chinese made tools are mostly rubbish. Buy Festool , buy best and buy once.

[@andrewpinson1268]

@@fatmanjoh Bosch is German made just like Festool.

[@joshh1835]

in case anyone is interested there is a retofit kit to add the light to the 779

[@scvic2006]

Listening to you mention the DWS779... I bought one two years ago, along with the DWS726 rolling miter saw stand. Together, they are both very heavy. Over the time since I owned it, I barely use it because it cuts like crap. I watched your flattening the table video multiple times. I'm not gonna lie, my specific DWS779 is a mess. The table has a hell of a wave and the fence is not even close to flat. The fence is also not smooth. The machining on the fence is quite deep. I guess to allow it to bite the work. I'm at a point where I tried to follow your tutorial but I lack the patience to get fully involved. I'm not a trim carpenter but when I need a miter saw I want it to be fairly accurate. I bought more saw than I need, just in case. I'm seriously debating selling the 779 to buy the 716. A fixed 12" saw should do me just fine. I'm going to see if Dewalt will do anything to rectify this pile of crap. Before I bought the dws779, I bought one of those Hitachi sliding 12" saws with the slide forward so the saw was zero clearance at the rear. Man, I wanted to love that saw but again, it was so far off and no amount of adjusting it made it work like it should. The fence was terrible. Vertically, it was out of plumb between 1/8"-3/16", seriously. I returned the Hitachi within 3 days of purchase. I know Hitachi is now Metabo. Model:C12RSH2M. That thing was also pretty heavy.

[@InsiderCarpentry]

It definitely good to check the fence and table out of the box to see if the saw is workable or not. I've also learned that the hard way. The 716 is my favorite saw for accuracy, but I need the slider for my workflow. Can't go wrong with a 716 if you can do without the slide capacity.