DeYoung, Duncan, Mohler: What's New About the New Calvinism

[@byronflores5011]

Calvinism has helped me a lot in my christian journey to go deeper into the Scriptures. I learned that we need to be careful to avoid judgments to others and help them to study the Bible with love between each other. Blessings from Spain!

[@UniteAgainstEvil]

deceived.. very sad

[@silveriorebelo2920]

especially you learned how to misguide them into believing devlish things as 'biblical' - yeah, calvinists are the great experts in that field

[@Jawond34]

10 years later. We still here!!!

[@colerossi7420]

It’s great watching this video knowing that these three men are just as faithful to the scriptures as they were 10 years ago

[@jimbuford4147]

I believe in the sovereignty of God in that He set things up the way He wanted but in His sovereignty He chose to give us a free will. It does not mean He is in control of everything that happens. Sovereignty and free will are not antithetical but complimentary.

[@SamOwenI]

Calvinists would ask you to be specific and define what you mean by free will. Do you mean libertarian free will? If so, then I can show you different parts of the bible that clearly contradict it. But if you mean free will in a compatibilist sense, then Calvinists would agree with you. On the other hand, God's clearly sovereign.

[@jimbuford4147]

I mean that man can choose God and submit to Him or they can reject the free gift of salvation. What do you mean by sovereign? Do you mean God established His will by giving man a choice or do you mean He determines and controls everything that happens in nature and by man? If He is in complete control then Jesus fought against God when He healed the sick, raised the dead, controlled the weather, etc. And Jesus stated a house divided against itself cannot stand.

[@SamOwenI]

The problem with that is that it's clearly contradicted in the scriptures. A few examples: "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day." "For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him." By sovereign, I mean that God is in control. Yet, I do not mean that man is not responsible for his actions. The bible clearly teaches that man is morally responsible, and when a person dies, he will have to make an account for his actions. Yet, God ordains all things that come to pass (Acts 2:23, Acts 4:28). This is a mystery, but the bible teaches it. It does not teach libertarian free will, which is what you are describing. What you say about complete control isn't right. God really is in complete control. As Acts 4:28 says, whatever God's hand and plan predestines to take place is what takes place. Yet, he's not guilty of any sin, and holds people responsible for their actions. We all need to wrestle with these ideas, and examine what we mean by "free will", fairly interpreting the text.

[@jimbuford4147]

I disagree with you and think you are misinterpreting the scriptures. It was God's plan for Jesus to die for our sins. That was predetermined but how was left up to man. God knew man's heart and how he would respond. When Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead the final provocation of the religious leaders was done and they acted. Did Jesus not say a house divided against itself or at cross purposes would not stand? If God created the storm and Jesus rebuked it and commanded it to cease is that not cross purposes? If God made man sick and afflicted and Jesus healed and raised people from the dead, then we have Jesus defying God and when He told His disciples to do the same He was telling them to, in essence, to fight against what God was doing. I do believe the Spirit has to draw and woo people to Him and He does for He desires that all men come to a knowledge of Him. He desires that none perish. Would you if you are a loving father command your child to do some act and then punish them for doing it? And Jesus said in comparison to God we are evil.

[@SamOwenI]

Jim Buford So you do think that God planned and intended for the crucifixion to take place. Did he plan for the people involved with it to be involved? Did he plan for the particular location of the crucifixion? How much of the detail was planned by God? I think the difference between us is where we place the claim to mystery. I just think that the calvinist places the claim to mystery where the bible does. The bible clearly teaches that God chooses us. This is all over the bible, old and new testaments. Yet, you object because of the implications, not because of the scriptures' clear teaching. I did the same, and it took me a year for me to change my mind on this. Again, calvinists believe in moral responsibility. We don't believe we're just puppets doing what we've been forced to do. We do what God planned or ordained. This is compatibilism. Yet, we do believe that God prepares some to be undeserving vessels of mercy, drawing them to the son, and he prepares others to be vessels of wrath, giving them justice. This is the fair interpretation of what is repeatedly taught in the bible.

[@nutmegger1957]

I too, in my mid-fifties, find myself in a position that says that the Church has forgotten the Power of God in His Creation, and stand firm on the principle that I am a servant of the Most Holy Creator of all, and must fall in line with His Will; rather than the idea that we ask God to condescend or coalesce to our will.

[@skidmoro9642]

John Calvin was such a kind, loving , compassionate man....how could you go wrong studying his "philosophy".

[@StefanJato]

kevin skidmore it wasn’t his philosophy, it’s Biblical

[@Mrm1985100]

@@StefanJato What? Burning people at the stake is biblical?!

[@Mrm1985100]

@The Bibliognost God loves everyone and wants all to be saved. God has sovereignly chosen to give people free-will and save sinners that put their faith in Christ. If people are not saved it's not because God predestined them to damnation but because they refused his offer of salvation.

[@Mrm1985100]

@The Bibliognost Jesus died for all: 1 John 2:2.

[@raymatthews4319]

@The Bibliognost What part of God so loved the world in Jn.3:16 don't you understand? Your cult is deadlier than Mormonism and JWs combined.

[@fabioparra2711]

This will change the whole world for GOOD, believe me....

[@tyroneaskew5594]

Loved this. God bless!

[@jamesforrestal403]

The alternative to Calvinism is a correct understanding that Salvation is a free, permanent & instantaneous gift received from God the moment a sinner calls upon Jesus Christ for salvation believing He died for ones sins and rose again.

[@ericsonoftom]

That is no alternative to Calvinism, for a Calvinist would agree that "salvation is a free, permanent & instantaneous gift received from God the moment a sinner calls upon Jesus Christ for salvation..."

[@alexisp696]

Not so - this statement implies that God is some kind of effete weakling, waiting desperately by the phone for the will of the sinner to choose Christ! The doctrine of Calvinism is fundamentally a rejection of the sinner's power to choose salvation - only with the Lord's grace does the sinner even want to be saved, and it is always with the Lord whether we are or not. It isn't some kind of voucher you can redeem whenever you feel like it for eternal salvation. Many people call upon Jesus Christ for salvation, but are not necessarily saved by that - salvation is demonstrated through right thinking, right doctrine and right lifestyle. It is not earned by these things, but these are signs that salvation has taken place. The phrase you are talking about sounds like some cheap salesman's pitch - "it's easy to be saved! Just say Jesus three times, and hey presto! Eternity in heaven!" If it was that simple, then Catholics, even Mormons would be saved. Being a saved Christian is hard, and full of difficulties - but with the Holy Spirit and the mind of Jesus Christ, it is also full of joy and truth.

[@rustymcalister]

@@alexisp696 show me from the Bible the verse that says you were chosen?

[@alexisp696]

@@rustymcalister 1 Peter 1 :1-2 - "To those... *chosen* according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood...", also 1 Peter 2:9 - "..you are a *chosen* race, a royal priesthood, a Holy nation, a people for God's own possession...". Now that doesn't necessarily mean that *I* am chosen, as our salvation is a matter of faith and will not be certain until one dies, but the point is the same either way - a Christian doesn't *choose* Christ, he is *chosen* by God to have the truth revealed to him. After all, what right does a sinner have to choose salvation or to presume God's favour? This old comment of mine is a little hard-hearted, I'll confess - I could have put it more lovingly, and I apologize for that. The issue is the old one of works vs faith, and being able to "choose" one's own salvation counts as a work, in my view. Since the unregenerate has no faith, he will not want salvation in the first place, so Christ must give us that faith - He must choose us. I understand that this is a hard teaching to accept - because it means many will not be saved, and I am saddened about that. I will not question the motives or will of God, though - He surely knows much better than I what is good, what is just and what is necessary for His Wondrous Divine Plan for this sin-cursed world. Many will go by the broad way, but only few by the narrow way, and looking at the world right now, there seems no doubt at all that many - most, even - are rushing enthusiastically into the arms of the Devil.

[@raymatthews4319]

@@alexisp696 How do you know if God chose you?

[@bob78145]

Where else are they going to turn ?? How about the bible !! James 2:14-26New King James Version (NKJV) Faith Without Works Is Dead 14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my[b] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[c] 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[d] And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. 25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

[@bible4truth]

Classic misunderstanding of James 2. Justification in the eyes of man is by works, who need to see the faith worked out in you is NOT the same as the free gift of salvation which is eternal life received AFTER a person believed the gospel and cannot be lost. Calvinist and Arminianism are both liars. They claim Jesus paid for their sins, but then turn around a say "if you don't live "right" progressively over your life, you aren't saved. That is just works disguising itself as "fruit". All the "sovereignty" flattery is not fooling God.

[@bob78145]

Classic misunderstanding of the gospel ; Faith that produces no work's is NO faith at all !! We are saved by faith FOR work's. Not the other way around !! Ephesians 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus FOR good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them. A tree that produces no fruit, according to Jesus, will be cut down and burnt. But you may not believe in Jesus word's, or do you ?? You may hold a repentless perversion of true true gospel. 1 Corinthians 6:9 do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.…No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. 7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. Jesus died for our SIN'S !! Hello ...

[@alexisp696]

True salvation is proved by the works of the sinner - if he continues in error and sinful living, we can easily see he is not saved. It is one of the great gifts of salvation in Jesus Christ - a desire to do good works and live according to the Scriptures. Charismatic "magic Jesus" people prefer the kind of "salvation" where they have an exciting experience in a big church, and then go right on living however they want - just read the scripture: how did the saved in Christ live after their conversion? Constantly confessing, repenting and working for the Glory of God in this world. By their fruit you shall know them. There is nothing more worldly and un-Christian than the expression "free gift" - it cheapens and distorts the message of salvation, turning it into a "special offer" for easy redemption. Clap your hands and your in heaven! Forget about living a holy life - Christ has your place already booked in heaven. That sound right to you? If it was that simple, everyone would be saved - they would just say the words as a child and carry on with their life however they wanted to. Where's God's Glory in that?

[@noway22573]

God never changes. He has always been the same even to the end. Why are we comparing something new with the old etc. Seems to me that we are making it up on the run and using how modern times are different now. Times don't make any difference to God. It is all head stuff. Rarely is the work of the Holy Spirit mentioned.

[@edwardtanner8373]

Did the videographer run out of color? Good video. Thanks

[@derekthompson5731]

That's what I was thinking... a video about "new" calvinism, set in 1950s black-and-white...

[@raymatthews4319]

@@derekthompson5731 It may be a hint that it is actually hyper-Calvinism, an early false cult in a new package.

[@roypierce2049]

Saying "where else are you going to go"? is avoiding the accuracy of the belief that God chooses MOST people to go to hell. I stand with Jesus ..... WHOSOEVER believes in Me has eternal life John 3:16. Calvinism is the best excuse for Christians who are ashamed of Jesus and do not want to obey the command to witness 2 Tim. 1:8. Go check, Mt. 4:19 and Acts 1:8 are still in the Bible. "Study to be a workman" 2 Tim. 2:15 ... by reason of use have their senses mature, otherwise believers remain born again babes! Heb. 5:12-14. Let's stop open discussions and relating opinions and start back using God's Word.

[@josephcadwell6773]

God is sovereign and displays it by inviting men and women to come unto Him. Only God can provide the acceptable sacrifice for sin. How can we say God is omnipotent and sovereign and at the same time that the atonement that he provided is insufficient to cover all sin (limited atonement) or that he never intended to deal with all sin.

[@owengunter8340]

Joseph Cadwell the atonement is sufficient for all, and efficient for those that believe

[@TheChristianImperialist]

Unless you are a Universalist, you believe in limited atonement. If you believe there is a single human soul in Hell, then you already believe in Limited Atonement.

[@soulosxpiotov7280]

@@TheChristianImperialist No, I disagree. You can pay for something, but not redeem it. Christ Jesus paid the full payment price, with His blood for all sins committed by all humans - but not all humans will be redeemed. In simpler terms, "Everyone was paid in advance and placed on lay-away, but not all are pulled from the shelf and taken home."

[@TheChristianImperialist]

@@soulosxpiotov7280 it's always good when your theology is based on couponing rather than greek exegesis.

[@soulosxpiotov7280]

@@TheChristianImperialist Please don't stop there (no hit and run), what is the Greek exegesis that I've missed?

[@MrGTO86]

Several years later, it seems to me that the New Calvinism was a new awareness of God's sovereignty in soteriology within American Baptist circles. The mobility of Baptist ecclesiology allowed it to move as far and wide as it did as fast as it did. I am now a Presbyterian who became convinced of Reformed soteriology through the resources from these guys. However as I settled into Presbyterianism, I realized just how Baptistic it was. I was never an evangelical and the dalliance with evangelicalism is somewhere I could not follow.

[@StEvUgnIn]

0:20 I would like to know who in the *new calvinism* does not believe in the *5 points calvinism* , Kevin DeYoung is being *cessationistic* in his point of view trying to *imply* that *continuationism* leads to not attest *Sola Scriptura*

[@RoccoR9870]

He meant some people are 4-point Calvinsist cause they usually are wrestling with the idea of Limited Atonement. Not that they don't believe them. But that some don't hold to all 5.

[@StEvUgnIn]

@@RoccoR9870 If you struggle with this, hence you aren't a solid calvinist

[@StEvUgnIn]

@@RoccoR9870 Kevin DeYoung is used to defending the cessationistic view with poor arguments based on the completeness of scriptures but no prophecy says that gifts were only for the start of the church but I believe apostles were and we find many references to this fact in Zachariah, Isaiah, etc.

[@RoccoR9870]

I am not saying I struggle with this. I am just trying to make you aware that is probably what was implied in that.

[@soulosxpiotov7280]

@@StEvUgnIn Is not being a "solid calvinist" a spiritual problem? I reject that the Lord paid for the sins of the elect only, this is something I don't struggle with.

[@randallsauto1474]

IF WE HAVE CHRISTIANITY, WHY DO WE NEED CALVINISM? IS SCRIPTURE AND OUR OWN RESEARCH THOUGH ALL ASPECTS NOT ENOUGH? DO WE NEED TO BE LABLED? OR AS FALLOWERS OF CHRIST WITH SCRIPTURE AND THROUGH TESTING ALL SPIRTS, HAVING FAITH,AND STUDYING SCRIPTURE DO WE NEED TO BE BELIEVERS OF SOMETHING MORE?IF DONT FEEL I AM A BELIEVER, BUT A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN THAT KNOWS THE TRUTH. TRUTH ABOUT JESUS. AS FAR AS JOHN CALVIN AND HIS THEOLOGY, WONDERFUL WONDERFUL RESOURCE. CAN GO WRONG. JUST DONT LOOSE SITE OF THE FIRST HAND RESOURCE. READ YOUR BIBLE.

[@JohnSmithAwesomeSauce55]

WHY DO YOU ALL CAPS LOL

[@cindytreadway5999]

I would far prefer to believe the Bible and in Jesus Christ. I'm not a calvinist, I'm a Christian

[@StefanJato]

That’s like saying your not a American, your a Californian . If you believe the Bible, your a Calvinist. Whether you want a title of not, your either Arminian, Calvinist, Pelagian or something else. If I’m an American, I have to belong to a state. It may be Georgia, it make be Texas or New York. But I can’t say I’m an American without belonging to a state. Praise God that you believe in his inerrant word! Truthfully, read it and come to the conclusion you do, but know you will end up falling under the banner “Calvinist” if you believe Gods word is inerrant.

[@Mrm1985100]

@@StefanJato Nonsense.

[@Mrm1985100]

@The Bibliognost Saying that the Bible=Calvinism.

[@Mrm1985100]

@The Bibliognost No, I believe we are saved by grace THROUGH faith.

[@Mrm1985100]

@The Bibliognost Look, I'm not going to start debating your whole Augustinian understanding of Scripture over YT. Others have already done it. If you don't understand the basic premise that God loves everyone and desires their salvation I can't help you.

[@silveriorebelo2920]

divulging a pseudo-Gospel that confuses God with the devil - they ascribe sin to God's decree most of these guys are in the risk of going straight to hell

[@johncantrell9993]

What about the New Independent Fundamental Baptist movement, if you want theologically minded and passionate churches there you have Steven Anderson and the New IFB

[@jamessheffield4173]

If a man named Calvin believed the Bible, good for him.

[@UniteAgainstEvil]

he didn't

[@jamessheffield4173]

@@UniteAgainstEvil Romans 9:21 “Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?”

[@LaFedelaIglesia]

American Protestants are embracing 'Reformed Theology' because is more robust and more historical than the shallowness of much of contemporary Christianity in America. But still, what we need is to embrace the Faith of our fathers (beyond the 1500's), we need a real 'Ad Fontes'

[@zarp89]

Why is New Calvinism so attractive to me?

[@dspencer1201]

It should be because you find it to rightly understand the word of God. But I'll give you some counsel from someone who became a "calvinist" many years before this so-called New Calvinism … "Calvinism" is an unfortunate nickname; it should not be used. The proper term would be "reformed" which is shorthand for the Spirit reforming me according to the Scriptures. The heart and point of the reformed faith is in its biblical understanding of worship of God. If someone does not embrace reformed worship, they cannot consider themselves reformed. Look into the regulative principle of worship. God bless

[@SoulEvangelist]

New Calvinism is better called New *Catholicism*

[@Kittensarevicious]

What is the correct alternative to Calvinism? Free Grace Theology. It disturbs me that he thinks that Calvinism is our only option, Biblically speaking. This is the Lordship Salvation (Calvinist/Arminian) vs Free Grace debate, and I greatly encourage you all to study this. I believe that Reformed theology is a mass deception. O God help us to see You in all Your glory.

[@TheChristianImperialist]

You believe Lazurus had the agency to decide to leave his tomb after Christ called him out?

[@Kittensarevicious]

Sean Glinski I’m sorry, I don’t think I understand your question. Could you rephrase it?

[@TheChristianImperialist]

Sure. Lazarus was 3 days dead. Jesus called Lazurus to come out of Lazarus' tomb. Did Lazurus have the "free will" to decide to stay in the tomb?

[@Kittensarevicious]

Sean Glinski Oh! I see what you’re asking I think. To answer your question, I would definitely say no, Lazarus did not have the free will to stay in the tomb. I believe very similarity to RT Kendall, who is a Calvinist who rejects Lordship Salvation. He believes in the first 4 points of TULIP, but not the last (perseverance of the saints). I also believe like this. Did I answer your question or am I still missing it. I enjoy the conversation :)

[@TheChristianImperialist]

Most people reject the preservation of the saints because they see professing Christians "fall away" from the faith. But you must remember the parable of the sower. The seed of the Gospel lands in the rocky ground; the plant springs forth and looks identical to the plant in good soil. But the plant in the rocky soil does not endure. Christ is not alarmed by this. The men who "fell away" were not part of His harvest. They were never part of His flock, they looked like it, they sounded like it. But the Gospel did not take root in them. It was a surface-level "faith".

[@danham2718]

This was very sad to watch. The Scriptures, the Scriptures, the Scriptures. He said "The reality is...the only sustenance for a Gospel ministry is the Scriptures." How about Jesus being our only sustenance...period? How about we embrace the love of the Holy Spirit and demonstrate his power as Jesus did in the earth? I believe the biggest error in the church of our day is to learn all we can about God and the Bible (AKA Religion) without really knowing Him intimately through the unlimited access that only Jesus provided by the most incredible gift of the Holy Spirit!

[@SharifShoker]

Just a few verses from THE SCRIPTURE's for you to think about before running head on in to emotionalism and going off subjective feelings of who you think the Holy Spirit is instead of pulling open your bible and reading objective truth about the persons in the blessed Holy trinity and the important roles they each play in our sanctification and eternal salvation. I have stored up Your word in my heart, that I might not sin against You. - Psalm 119:11 Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path. - Psalm 119:105 Every word of God proves true; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. - Proverbs 30:5 But He (Jesus) answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’” - Matthew 4:4 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, He (Jesus) interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself. - Luke 24:27 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ. - Romans 10:17 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. - 2 timothy 3:16-17 and one about true religion... Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world. - James 1:27 These are but a few of the many SCRIPTURE's that emphasise the importance of the Word of God. The Holy Spirit illuminates Christ through the very pages of Holy SCRIPTURE! A question, how did you come to know Christ (that's if you are truly redeemed) if you did not hear the gospel from the scriptures? Hope it wasn't through feelings!

[@danham1440]

Sharif Shoker Hahaha…yes I may have unintentionally sounded anti-Scripture. Nothing is further from the truth, I love the Scriptures, the whole book from beginning to end. It’s hard to sum up ones perspective in a few sentences. I’m actually 100% anti feelings/experience when it comes to interpreting the Bible and the will of God. Living by life’s experiences or the lack thereof rather than the truth Jesus has revealed is one of the main reasons for the mess that the religion of our day has got us into. Example; We don’t see everyone get healed so we come up with a theology that believes it must not be Gods will in every case, therefore our truth is based on experience rather then Jesus who over and over again healed ALL who came to him. And we search the scriptures to validate that belief or our experience. The problem with that is it was never Jesus’ experience and he said to follow me. I know it’s a huge subject and I’m not here to debate. The truth is all scripture must be interpreted through the final truth of the revelation of Christ…period. And if it does not line up with the truth Jesus revealed in His new covenant, then don’t rely on it for a correct picture of our Father’s will. Heb 1 “IN THE PAST” God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 “BUT IN THESE LAST DAYS HE HAS SPOKEN TO US BY HIS SON”, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the “EXACT REPRESENTATION OF HIS BEING”, sustaining all things by his powerful word. I loved all your posted scriptures, they are all true, but I remind you that Jesus IS the Word of God. I also remind you that the religious leaders of Jesus’ day had an incredible amount of scripture knowledge but they didn’t know the Author when he was standing right in front of them. It’s not all about what you know but whom you know. We were created for intimacy with our Heavenly Father, to be restored and transformed into the likeness of Christ, into who we were always meant to be, our true identity as sons and daughters of the most outrageous loving Father ever. To demonstrate this love He put within us to the world around us. And yes, when you believe truth enough, it can overtake your emotions and feelings with the incredible freedom of the Good News, the very very very radical Good News of Christ in you! The hope of Glory! As His blood has taken away ALL of your sin! I can’t help but explode with joy when I believe this!! Be blessed in Jesus my friend, even if we disagree.

[@SharifShoker]

That's a reply from what seems like a teachable spirit. Thanks for clarification on what you were meaning to say. I wholeheartedly agree with you in regards to the ultimate reason for the scriptures which is to bring us to an intimate knowledge and relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ and not just head knowledge of the bible. God's grace and mercy is much needed to walk this way! God bless :-)

[@dspencer1201]

Hello Dan, Your distinction between Jesus and the word is not itself biblical because Jesus cannot be separated from the written word. In other words, we cannot know, seek, or speak of Jesus apart from believing, following, and speaking the written word. Jesus works by his Spirit through the word.

[@danham2718]

+Dante Spencer I agree with you. My first comment was addressing what I felt was an over emphasis of theological concepts which seem to embrace studying "about" God more than actually knowing Him. I don't doubt the sincerity of these men one bit but I disagree with much of their understanding of the sovereignty of God, though not explained in this video. There is a very large portion of their view of Christ that I absolutely agree with. And even John Piper whom they mentioned admirably. But the Calvinistic understanding that embraces all suffering as the purpose and plan of God is not biblical at all. John Piper has said publicly said in a KZbin video that every person who has been murdered, who is raped, etc. etc. all these heinous crimes or events are all part of Gods ultimate wonderful plan. And that's why I could never embrace the Calvinism sovereignty theology, It's anti gospel. Jesus said it's the thief who brings death loss and destruction not God. Jesus always brought life

[@DK-uq8nm]

Mohler: "Where else are they gonna go?.....they will wind up eventually being Calvinist !" Uhhhhhh no, I know plenty of believers out there that do not believe that they are chosen and their neighbor is not. Free Will is not dead, Albert. Take a vacation from the bubble once in awhile and you'll see that there is a much bigger world.

[@TheChristianImperialist]

So you believe you were just sooo smart you chose God and your neighbor is too stupid to make the same choice.

[@UniteAgainstEvil]

yuck, devilish, abominable... something like that

[@deirdremynes5920]

False doctrine

[@skafan89]

what about new calvinism ? same as old calvinsim still a heresy of the true gospel

[@raymatthews4319]

@The Bibliognost Nobody lives out heresy like a neo Calvinist who falsely tells the world that God wants some of His creation to go to hell.