DF Retro: Star Wars Shadows of the Empire Revisited on N64 and PC!

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@RichMcLaughlin
@RichMcLaughlin 5 жыл бұрын
The amount of effort that goes in to gathering all this footage with different hardware and options is nuts. Excellent work.
@mickael486
@mickael486 5 жыл бұрын
Obsessively nuts.
@turbochop3300
@turbochop3300 5 жыл бұрын
Why do you think he stopped making them for awhile?
@AB-cu8nw
@AB-cu8nw 5 жыл бұрын
But where does he get the music from?
@mBrajan
@mBrajan 5 жыл бұрын
agree, it crosses my mind every time
@Chillnote
@Chillnote 5 жыл бұрын
The quality of the footage is also amazing
@Reluctant_Hero
@Reluctant_Hero 5 жыл бұрын
Man, this really makes me want to see John produce an episode of DF Retro dedicated to Stars Wars Rogue Squadron!
@retro_boy_advance
@retro_boy_advance 5 жыл бұрын
Hear hear!
@DarkShroom
@DarkShroom 5 жыл бұрын
haha that was basically 50% of this game done 100% better
@ModernVintageGamer
@ModernVintageGamer 5 жыл бұрын
so glad to see DF Retro back. brilliant stuff as always John
@orashiocampbell7422
@orashiocampbell7422 3 жыл бұрын
Ggggv
@CacheTaFace
@CacheTaFace 3 жыл бұрын
@colors6692
@colors6692 3 жыл бұрын
@@CacheTaFace Sentences start with a capital letter!
@CacheTaFace
@CacheTaFace 3 жыл бұрын
@@colors6692 no.
@trollzone1
@trollzone1 3 жыл бұрын
John was wrong about his pc gpu “facts”. Alex is the best.
@arbiter-
@arbiter- 5 жыл бұрын
DF Retro is my favorite series on this channel, however I also really like Alex's explanations of PC settings and the tech behind them. Looking forward to whatever you guys are cooking up next.
@PickeringSamuel
@PickeringSamuel 5 жыл бұрын
Alex's videos are my favourite!! Love this channel
@bergonath8851
@bergonath8851 5 жыл бұрын
Let's not forget Wichard's hand gestures.
@GamingMyWholeLife
@GamingMyWholeLife 5 жыл бұрын
Worlds did feel massive on the N64 and there was this extra smoothness that really stood out. Nice to know countless years later I'd learn it's texture filtering and AA
@amerikaOnFire
@amerikaOnFire 5 жыл бұрын
That and no texture warping like the PS1 had so they could use fewer polygons to make larger areas seem detailed. And devs using the n64 hardware took advantage of fog. Lots and lots of fog haha.
@BloodRedFox2008
@BloodRedFox2008 5 жыл бұрын
@@amerikaOnFire Only N64 games I can recall not having too much fog are the first and second party developed games as now that I think about it I can't recall much fog in titles like Mario, Zelda, Banjo, and whatnot. Probably goes without saying of course Nintendo and Rare knew how to get the most out of the hardware since Nintendo made it and Rare was still working under them at the time, but I guess not many of the people from Nintendo or Rare gave tips to other devs on what techniques they used since third party games were almost always foggy to some degree.
@JeffYPbPr
@JeffYPbPr 5 жыл бұрын
I'm telling ya. The soundtrack to shadows is legendary. It is phenomenal. It was so god damn star wars. I think it was better than anything John William's put out for the prequel and sequel trilogies.
@GamingMyWholeLife
@GamingMyWholeLife 5 жыл бұрын
@@amerikaOnFire Have to love fog. I feel most games on the N64 and PS1 would not have been able to exist without it 😁
@AuntieAliasing
@AuntieAliasing 5 жыл бұрын
@@BloodRedFox2008 Mario 64 has fog! It's extremely subtle and doesn't show up on most emulators but you can see it on the mupen64plus-next retroarch core.
@CinemaStix
@CinemaStix 5 жыл бұрын
Ah, man. I wish they would do DF Retros just a bit more often.
@LavosYT
@LavosYT 5 жыл бұрын
It's because people asked for them that John worked on this one! Hopefully it continues, it's an incredibly interesting series!
@justanotheryoutubechannel
@justanotheryoutubechannel 4 жыл бұрын
It takes a lot of time to make them since they’re so incredible!
@detonator620
@detonator620 5 жыл бұрын
A proper DF Retro episode for a long time. You almost make me cry it's like a time machine. I'm from that time and everything YOU said about that game and technology of that era is just squeezing a drop from my eyes! Thank you John for your tremendous work!!!
@yourcrippledson7027
@yourcrippledson7027 5 жыл бұрын
N64 always had an immense sens of SCALE, right from the get-go, with Mario 64 and Turok blowing my little mind, these games featured structures and environments larger than any I would be allowed to venture into on my own IRL for quite some years to come... Imagine being in Grade 1 and your entire IRL world is essentially your house, your school, and maybe a few other houses on the street. Okay now imagine being dropped into a world like Mario 64 or Banjo Kazooie with no prior gaming experience. I can't accurately describe the impact. The sense of freedom. Your life is altered....
@brandonginsburg3120
@brandonginsburg3120 5 жыл бұрын
That cheesy VHS promo conveyed what you referred to in Shadows. It's odd how despite having seen polygon worlds (even Star Wars ones like Dark Forces) in computers games, that footage of Dash walking up a narrow canyon ledge blew my mind.
@leftyfourguns
@leftyfourguns 4 жыл бұрын
People ignorantly shit on the N64's cartridges. The cartridges are one of the primary reasons why N64 games could be so big. I doubt games like Ocarina of Time, Shadows of the Empire, or Perfect Dark would've even worked on the PS1 with CD-ROMs. And if they did you would've had to load level sections every few minutes
@shaun8062
@shaun8062 2 жыл бұрын
@@leftyfourguns Agreed. But, I don't know people who shit on the cartridges.. I tend to know people who quite like them, myself included. I guess if I search youtube reviews on N64 and listen to either Playstation fans or modern gamers I would maybe see more of the judgements, but they know not what they do. N64 forever!
@DesertRainReads
@DesertRainReads 5 жыл бұрын
They never should've shut down LucasArts, they were an amazing developer and publisher. I miss them, EA never should've received the rights to the franchise. Huge mistake on Disney's behalf.
@apictureoffunction
@apictureoffunction 2 жыл бұрын
I mean, Jedi Fallen Order was good. But not worth losing LucasArts over, that's for sure
@RaphaelCavallero88
@RaphaelCavallero88 5 жыл бұрын
This game is basically the reason why I’m a Star Wars fan today. Thank you DF for bringing it back :)
@NeoVejiita
@NeoVejiita 5 жыл бұрын
When this game became a “players choice” title my grandpa bought it for me :) I had played it via rental but never got passed the train level, so being able to play as much as I wanted was amazing!
@GHOSTPLANEtable
@GHOSTPLANEtable Жыл бұрын
Omg best debug ever I spent hundreds of hours playing with this and always credit it with my love for this channel.
@MB20978
@MB20978 5 жыл бұрын
When this first came out it blew my young mind flying around Hoth, taking down AT-AT’s in a snow speeder. It felt like truly next level s**t at the time. Thanks for the memories!
@MugenDad
@MugenDad 5 жыл бұрын
DF Retro is my favorite series on KZbin, the knowledge and passion that goes into them cannot be overstated, John. Thank you.
@DSDMovies
@DSDMovies 5 жыл бұрын
The welcome return of DF Retro! It might just be nostalgia (it's highly likely) but I quite like how N64 games look, blur and all. There's a certain quality to it I find appealing. It still seems futuristic, in a retro kind of way. Fog, texture filtering, anti-aliasing, all very basic versions but still work. To me it felt the N64 was the first console to do 3D properly with rock solid geometry, and not fudged like on PSone and Saturn (I loved my Saturn btw).
@xronosabre
@xronosabre 5 жыл бұрын
Another excellent episode of DFretro and of one of my favorite N64 games. You really hit the nostalgia nerve with this one as 1997 saw my first real experience as a PC gamer. Oh that voodoo 2...The complex ridiculousness of PC gaming in 97’ is what sparked and drove me to my career in computer animation and simulation. It also inspired me to learn about PC architecture, the need for the voodoo 2 at the time (I’ll never forget that price tag pitch to mom as a 12 yo) and to start “modifying” my family PC (harder pitch than the voodoo itself for reference) I’ve really enjoyed the multitude of DFretro’s that 2019 had to offer and I am very much looking forward to an awesome 2020. Furthermore, Thank you for the great effort, care and attention to detail that you always clearly put forth in your research and analysis. The content showcased on DF and specifically in this case DFretro is consistently exceptional as a result.
@KryptKicker5
@KryptKicker5 5 жыл бұрын
It was the third game I ever got for my N64, and I loved it! Especially messing with the Wompas! Let them out, fight one another and the survivor does my dirty work for me. Great times!
@kristoferstoll587
@kristoferstoll587 5 жыл бұрын
I love these DF Retro pieces you guys are doing. They are not only entertaining but also help to enlighten gamers whos first console was a PS3 or XBOX 360... How far we've come!
@casedistorted
@casedistorted 5 жыл бұрын
I remember when this game first came out on the N64 as a kid, it was a big deal. One of the best Star Wars games out there
@Zipzeolocke
@Zipzeolocke 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah when I was a kid I got this VHS tape from Nintendo powers with a bunch of demo footage on it introducing the launch titles for the N64 and Star Wars shadows of the Empire was one of the games showcased. I watched that short tape hundreds of times until I could finally play the game for myself I wanted it so badly!
@crookim
@crookim 5 жыл бұрын
Good old wompa stompa...... Brings back memories!
@huaweilayhill9182
@huaweilayhill9182 5 жыл бұрын
"One of the best Star Wars games out there"
@Toschez
@Toschez 5 жыл бұрын
One of the best “remembered” Star Wars games
@gilbertgotfried
@gilbertgotfried 5 жыл бұрын
I still remember inputting that insane cheat code and having to move the analog stick with my chin because all my fingers were holding down buttons.
@TAGMedia7
@TAGMedia7 5 жыл бұрын
I couldn't imagine Digital Foundry without DF Retro, it's a staple of this channel and the reason I subscribed in the first place. I sincerely hope I continue to see more content like this next year and in the years beyond.
@DarkShade1337
@DarkShade1337 5 жыл бұрын
Shadows of the Empire and Dark Forces 2 are hands down my favorite old school PC Star Wars games.
@edisleado
@edisleado 5 жыл бұрын
I miss the days of playing DF2 multiplayer on the MSN Gaming Zone. So many awesome mods/maps!
@hkoizumi3134
@hkoizumi3134 5 жыл бұрын
Omg yes. Those mods were called cog simply because it was .cog files. Good times.
@nerychristian
@nerychristian 5 жыл бұрын
@@edisleado I miss Yahoo chat boards, where you could chat with random people from around the world.
@jbscotchman
@jbscotchman 5 жыл бұрын
@@nerychristian Yeah and you could actually hook up with real girls!
@mozamboni
@mozamboni 5 жыл бұрын
Joel McNeely's score is so damned good - I feel he will never get his due credit!
@brandonginsburg3120
@brandonginsburg3120 5 жыл бұрын
He's like the male Shirley Walker, a composer of big property overshadowed by their predecessor (for Shirley it was Danny Elfman for McNeely it was John Williams).
@mozamboni
@mozamboni 5 жыл бұрын
@@brandonginsburg3120 I was not aware of her! I will definitely do some research. Thank you for bringing it to my attention!
@HueyTheDoctor
@HueyTheDoctor 5 жыл бұрын
You guys probably have no idea just how meaningful and impactful your videos can be in the lives of some of your viewers, but let me assure you that you guys have gotten me through some tough days with the content you've made available; it's an uncommon pleasure to listen to the passion and unabashed enthusiasm you have for the entire industry as a whole. That sort of authentic love is compelling, contagious and a third C word for alliteration. Anyway, thank you very much for all you do.
@mayen67
@mayen67 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent deep dive into a N64 classic, I remember being blown away at the time.
@kidi84
@kidi84 5 жыл бұрын
Early 1995, Dark Forces. What I remember of this game : "Dad ! We need to add more RAM to the computer, the game is just so slooooooow."
@quatz1981
@quatz1981 5 жыл бұрын
As long as DF Retro exists then the world is worth living in. Definately the best show on the channel.
@kaminobatto
@kaminobatto 5 жыл бұрын
This used to be one of my favourite N64 games, it is actually the reason I bought the N64! Not Mario, not Turok, not Golden Eye! No sir, it was Shadows of the Empire! And There is one technical feat that you didn't mention John, it's the fact that the game allowed to you change between 3rd and 1st person modes in real time! So you could literally play the game twice from two completely different perspectives or do a custom mish mash playthrough should you want to do so! Now that was something back in the day!
@rayfran06
@rayfran06 4 жыл бұрын
Oh for sure a mix of the two! No way I could do jet pack in first person view. That beggars cannon mission was brutal to me. You just beat bobba then guess what?! Now fight slave one! Soo many seeker missiles used.
@tyraelhermosa
@tyraelhermosa Жыл бұрын
These DF Retro episodes are such a treat. The amount of work you put into these is greatly appreciated. Great work, John.
@Veon1
@Veon1 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! I hope you also get a chance to cover the Rogue Squadron games, they were also amazing tech show pieces for Nintendo hardware, and Factor 5 in general has a fascinating/bizarre history.
@ArtofZenDigital
@ArtofZenDigital 5 жыл бұрын
As always, this video is top tier, with everything that Digital Foundry Retro does, fully on display. My first 3D accelerated PC was a Gateway PC with dual Voodoo 2 GPUs. It was a great computer to play games on, with many games of that era, such as Quake 2 and Quake 3 Arena, looking absolutely stunning. Even then though, good PC exclusives were quite rare, so I spent most of my time playing my Sega Saturn, more so than even my PS-One. When Star Wars came out on the N64, it was very impressive to me when I played it at my friend’s house. I never had the PC version, and forgot it even existed, so the incredibly thorough break down here is fantastic. It’s also great to see that there was Anti-Aliasing on the N64 in so many titles. This is something I thought was only present in Hi-Res pack supported titles. Prior to the Hi-Res pack, it was always hard to see that there was any form of Anti-Aliasing on N64 given the low resolution, and the overall blurry nature of its visuals, though there were many exceptions like the incredible Doom 64. Despite there being many great looking N64 titles that hold up quite well even now, Crash Bandicoot 3 on PS-One, in my humble opinion, looked far more sharp on CRTs than many early pre-Hi-Res N64 titles.
@TilSkywalker
@TilSkywalker 5 жыл бұрын
23 years... this came out when I was born, it is quite impressive how awesome the game still is! Wish we would get a remake...
@markxv2267
@markxv2267 5 жыл бұрын
Ok kiddie
@dookie_12
@dookie_12 5 жыл бұрын
Disney killed Lucasarts and the Expanded Universe
@bauernkind8595
@bauernkind8595 5 жыл бұрын
You were born and we were rocking the game. Seems fair.
@SireOblivion
@SireOblivion 5 жыл бұрын
It actually has a modern port on Steam that you can buy for dirt cheap, however the controls haven't been updated and the third person parts when you're on foot are misery to control. The controls haven't been updated and they're a perfect example of terrible, early 3D movement.
@vivisect53
@vivisect53 5 жыл бұрын
Most of the expanded universe was terrible anyhow. 🤮
@Brunn0121
@Brunn0121 5 жыл бұрын
The historical value of this series is immensurable, keep up this great work john.
@lightmyfire88
@lightmyfire88 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for bringing this series alive
@Noema130
@Noema130 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks as always for making my Sunday, John. DF Retro while having my morning coffee go together like retro games and CRTs. I don't know how you do it but your videos just keep getting better and better.
@kourt2469
@kourt2469 5 жыл бұрын
I remember as a kid playing the Hoth level over and over because it was so cool being able to fly around and use the cable to bring down the walkers
@Anita028
@Anita028 5 жыл бұрын
Now we need a Rogue Squadron DF Retro which is where the N64 and Factor 5 did a mind blowing work that stills holds today.
@matthewfamulski7705
@matthewfamulski7705 5 жыл бұрын
I love this game, I wanna see it remade.
@MutedVideo
@MutedVideo 5 жыл бұрын
That's the DF retro format I have been missing!
@BookerCan
@BookerCan 5 жыл бұрын
Go John! So stoked for this game to be revisited!
@connorgamble3548
@connorgamble3548 5 жыл бұрын
these DF Retro videos are the BEST videos digital foundry makes. Let John make more!!!
@PoweredByFlow
@PoweredByFlow 5 жыл бұрын
30:00 Yup, thats the kind of framerates i remember when playing games on my dads PC back in the day. lol
@PrimalShutter
@PrimalShutter 3 жыл бұрын
it's how I remember finishing half-life on a pentium 100mhz without 3d card
@DaGovernator
@DaGovernator 5 жыл бұрын
The thing I love most about your series is your obsession to not only show the game but HOW the game was back when it was released. I built my first PC back when the voodoo 3 came out. It's easy to forget that video cards were significantly different from each other back then.
@ldisc66
@ldisc66 5 жыл бұрын
I worked at a computer shop when this game was released on PC and I was tasked to setup a demo PC to run this game. I don't remember the spec but I did install a 3dfx card in there with Microsoft's first foray into force feedback joysticks and it was a hit at the shop. We sold tons of those joysticks. 😂
@RuinerXL
@RuinerXL 5 жыл бұрын
John, these DF Retro episodes are a big part of the reason I subscribed and it's always a pleasant surprise when a new one appears. Please keep them coming!
@Dark.Shingo
@Dark.Shingo 5 жыл бұрын
Oh, I remember back in those days: you bought a video card and you ended up feeling you always chose the wrong one.
@werewolfy6
@werewolfy6 5 жыл бұрын
Really glad to see the return of DF Retro! Great video but I'd have liked to see the best way to play it now like you've done on all your videos.
@omarmmzn
@omarmmzn 5 жыл бұрын
Me (refreshing my feed) DF Retro: hello there
@Kenjitsuka
@Kenjitsuka 5 жыл бұрын
General Kenobi.
@mynthon0
@mynthon0 5 жыл бұрын
"Everybody is good." "Section Ratio General!"
@davidscottheath
@davidscottheath 5 жыл бұрын
DF Retro is by far my favorite content on KZbin. Keep up the great videos John!
@mrnicktoyou
@mrnicktoyou 5 жыл бұрын
The 3dfx era of PC gaming was extremely exciting. 3D games made a huge graphical leap.
@MepsiPaxBerri
@MepsiPaxBerri 5 жыл бұрын
Amazing run down of one of my fondest Star Wars memories. I still remember playing it on N64 and again on PC with a Voodoo 2!
@blurontree
@blurontree 5 жыл бұрын
“With the DARTH of software available...” was intentional right?
@davidp5784
@davidp5784 5 жыл бұрын
I missed DF Retro. It's my favorite content on this channel. please keep it up!
@SkySkywalker485
@SkySkywalker485 5 жыл бұрын
Man, you know it's the 90s when there's a list of like 6 GPUs you have to test.
@Reckez
@Reckez 5 жыл бұрын
the production quality of these videos is just on another level. Thank you DF/John! Definitely one of the more important games of my childhood - among Star Wars Games it was one of the most atmospheric and immersive entries - also thanks to its brilliant soundtrack. The music is so good that I often wish for a proper movie release - make it happen disney!
@nathanddrews
@nathanddrews 5 жыл бұрын
That Hoth AT-AT attack was always the hallmark of any good Star Wars game.
@JHD6045
@JHD6045 5 жыл бұрын
I cannot count how many hours I have into playing this game. This has always been one of my favorite games. It was the reason I wanted a nintendo 64 and it was the 1st game I had for that console. Still have it to this day and I will always enjoy throwing in again in playing some good old fashion Star Wars fun. The flying segments like the sweeter and the space fights as well as the swoop gang was a lot of fun.
@picolete
@picolete 5 жыл бұрын
One of those games that desperally need a remake
@Chattin-rv3fq
@Chattin-rv3fq 5 жыл бұрын
I am from this period, I had this when it released for my N64 and one of my best friends at the time had a voodoo 2 in 1997. I was also so jealous of his PC in those days. Amazing job on this video!!! TOOK ME ALL THE WAY BACK HOME!
@jhkuno88
@jhkuno88 7 ай бұрын
Wow, an owner of a 200$ console jealous of his friends 600$ PC? How could that be?
@RetroHamer
@RetroHamer 5 жыл бұрын
One of the fecking best Star Wars games ever!!
@leegsy
@leegsy 5 жыл бұрын
It was okay at the time but I wouldn't say it was one of the best SW games.
@RetroHamer
@RetroHamer 5 жыл бұрын
@@leegsy How dare you not agree with me!! Do you know who I am??? Only kidding bud, at least you enjoyed it but I really enjoyed it and ofc I've not played every SW game, this one is one I'm always giving it another go. Especially now I can play the game with little issue through GOG
@jl.7739
@jl.7739 5 жыл бұрын
RetroHamer the first half was great, the second half though, I think they ran out of time developing the game.
@miltiadiskoutsokeras9189
@miltiadiskoutsokeras9189 5 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately no. The SNES games, the Knights of Old Republic and Χ-wing are far better.
@pferreira1983
@pferreira1983 5 жыл бұрын
Nah.
@malcolmar
@malcolmar 5 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video and so much great information about Shadows of the Empire. I have it in my N64 now and I appreciate it even more now. Thank you for taking the time to give this game the respect it deserves and especially for helping people to understand the video game landscape in which it was released. Job well done. So glad I have subscribed!
@dan_loup
@dan_loup 5 жыл бұрын
The S3 virge taught me that 3D acceleration was about compromise. You lose resolution if compared to software mode rendering, but you get 16bit colors and bilinear filtering. Then i got a 3Dfx and this lesson was no longer valid. Also S3 virge was not THE worst card of that era, that's the Alliance AT3D, a card where they decided to use dither for *EVERYTHING*
@dark1x
@dark1x 5 жыл бұрын
Dr_Kachu san Oh my gosh. I need to get one of those! Forgot about that thing. Trying to build my old card database.
@dan_loup
@dan_loup 5 жыл бұрын
@@dark1x Those AT3D chips are so broken that it's almost beautiful how badly they fail. Also as far i know, those voodoo rush cards do use the AT3D as the 2D video chip, which makes those very heretic cards.
@madmax2069
@madmax2069 5 жыл бұрын
i know the pain all too well, use to have an S3 virge DX in a Pentium 120mhz system
@madmax2069
@madmax2069 5 жыл бұрын
i know the pain all too well, use to have an S3 virge DX in a Pentium 120mhz system
@madmax2069
@madmax2069 5 жыл бұрын
i know the pain all too well, use to have an S3 virge DX in a Pentium 120mhz system
@Leruster
@Leruster 4 жыл бұрын
33:41 Maaaan you said it right. You mentioned that leap before in the video and that reminded me how incredible of a jump the 3D accelerator were for the PC gaming. The games just started to not be clunky, all the textures were smooth and the geometry was just there instead of shaky mess. At the time I thought "wow! This just can't get any better!" :D Oh how wrong I was. Awesome video :) Thank you!
@tommybildstrom6768
@tommybildstrom6768 5 жыл бұрын
Really like df retro, just letting you know. I understand that you have many suggestions, but chronicles of Riddick should be really interesting to go back to.
@thomascharnock
@thomascharnock 5 жыл бұрын
Outstanding video. Took me back to the early days of N64 gaming. I always thought it was a bit odd not showing the gun in view when playing the first person sections. Thanks for this John, you are a master at creating these nostalgic trips down memory lane, and yet also adding a new angle to proceedings.
@wingman-1977
@wingman-1977 5 жыл бұрын
I remember paying $100 for it (due to the game’s shortage at release).
@UttRConcrete
@UttRConcrete 5 жыл бұрын
Most of the n64 games were 79 dollars and up, I only owned like 7 games and rented most of the other ones.
@Oni64
@Oni64 5 жыл бұрын
@@UttRConcrete Mortal Kombat Trilogy was like $80 when it came out.
@jokerzwild00
@jokerzwild00 5 жыл бұрын
@@UttRConcrete ugh... I am ashamed to admit I paid 80 dollars for Cruisin' USA. What a garbage port. It was my birthday and by God I was gonna get a damn game. There weren't many options thanks to shortages and not many titles to begin with because the system was new. So Cruisin' it was. I hated that game and traded it for WCW vs NWO after a while.
@Doc_Valparaiso
@Doc_Valparaiso 5 жыл бұрын
@@jokerzwild00 In the words of a certain NWO member WCW vs NWO was too sweeeet!
@ChieftainHawke
@ChieftainHawke 5 жыл бұрын
cartridges were expensive as hell to produce especially the ones to hold the amount of data in n64
@rarewhiteape
@rarewhiteape 5 жыл бұрын
This game is incredibly important to me, as it fostered both my gaming habit and my love for Star Wars in my formative years. I’ve basically got it and the N64 to thank for who I am today. And I remember the day we first got that debug code to work. Oh how we had fun tinkering behind the scenes! Thanks for the deep dive!
@PixelPipes
@PixelPipes 5 жыл бұрын
I LOVE the cross examination of 3D acceleration on the PC relative to the N64. The 64's prowess for its time is often lost on younger people who weren't around at the time.
@Violins77
@Violins77 5 жыл бұрын
Digital Foundry is like a detective digging out old cases that everyone forgot about to analyze every minute details. So entertaining to watch!
@mspeter97
@mspeter97 5 жыл бұрын
That good old S3 ViRGE, it never fails to disappoint.... it does fail to do what it's meant to but that"s why we love it...right?
@dan_loup
@dan_loup 5 жыл бұрын
The 2D acceleration of the card on the other hand was espetacular.
@SianaGearz
@SianaGearz 5 жыл бұрын
@@dan_loup It was fully featured and entirely adequate in GDI performance, however not particularly fast. Matrox, ATI, Tseng and NVidia were all faster at GDI acceleration than the Virge, but some of them barely and others by less than a factor of 2. As to 3D acceleration... well it's clearly designed for a compromise. Closer to 320x240 gaming than 640x480, which the former is anyway what software renderers of the time aimed for. Plus the early drivers were quite glitchy with blend modes.
@jonchapman6821
@jonchapman6821 5 жыл бұрын
SOTE is still my favourite Star Wars game, that level with the jet pack remains one of my all time favourite gaming experiences.
@EposVox
@EposVox 5 жыл бұрын
Great episode as always!
@fireface8377
@fireface8377 5 жыл бұрын
John and Clint from LGR are the best youtubers. Such quality and entertainment value.
@MileyCyrusPartyUSA
@MileyCyrusPartyUSA 5 жыл бұрын
This was my 1st N64 game. I played this game after playing the much hailed Tomb Raider on PS1. And oh boy, can't believe critics complained about the controls of Shadows of the Empire while also praising Tomb Raider. Jumping or just moving around in that game was a challenge in itself. Dodging the tigers in the 1st stage and then climbing a wall was such an unnecessary chore. Meanwhile, using Dash Rengar was a cakewalk by comparison.
@retrosoul8770
@retrosoul8770 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah I miss the days when developers weren't afraid to make games that required a little practice, had a learning curve, games like Tomb Raider demanded some skill from the player and "dodging tigers" was & is mechanically rewarding to master. But nowadays if someone can't very easily get into it right away they complain and whine about controls, hurting innovation in action oriented games. Hence why we have more automated gameplay in Tomb Raider and Uncharted (even though they are still enjoyable)
@MileyCyrusPartyUSA
@MileyCyrusPartyUSA 5 жыл бұрын
Pfft! Learning curve? There was no freakin learning curve in Tomb Raider. The only thing you would learn by controlling Lara Croft in her first game was that she controlled like ASS. For crying out loud, Super Mario 64 was showing everyone at the time how an actual 'learning curve' is implemented. You start off by being told how to do Mario's movements before even entering the castle. While with Tomb Raider you're just thrown into the game and you're supposed to employ the most obtuse control ever designed for a 3d game. Shit, even Bubsy played better. So save me the "in the old days, games were hard" baloney. There were factually games that played better than Tomb Raider at the time. And Shadows of the Empire was one of them.
@pkbelly
@pkbelly 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome work. That comparison of retro graphics cards is really invaluable and the video capture is perfect as always. Thank you!
@EchoDissolve
@EchoDissolve 5 жыл бұрын
7:57 Not sure if mistake or a pun on “dearth”.
@ClellBiggs
@ClellBiggs 5 жыл бұрын
Hah! I missed that. Thanks for pointing it out. It was definitely intentional.
@darkl3ad3r
@darkl3ad3r 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! This was a childhood favorite of mine. So happy to see it get the DF Retro treatment! Thanks for posting and keeping the spirit of classic gaming alive, John.
@bluedragon219123
@bluedragon219123 5 жыл бұрын
Growing up with Framerates like these, and games, are why I'm not sensitive to framerates drops, even 10fps(or lower!) is playable to me. :)
@Adam_Zielinski
@Adam_Zielinski 4 жыл бұрын
10 fps is literally approaching power point levels Bruh
@SeanGatchell
@SeanGatchell 4 жыл бұрын
I'm the same.
@i3l4ckskillzz79
@i3l4ckskillzz79 4 жыл бұрын
It is somehow playable. For me even 30 fps looks like a slideshow...
@i3l4ckskillzz79
@i3l4ckskillzz79 4 жыл бұрын
I hope you play some games with 30fps or more to have a reference for what is playable or not. If you say under 10fps is playable to you you don't understand what gaming is about 😂
@michaelandersson6088
@michaelandersson6088 5 жыл бұрын
I still play all of the Star Wars Jedi Knight games from time to time... So many fond memories. Mid-late 90's to early-mid 2000's games are my absolute favorites :) Thank's John for pushing all my nostalgia buttons! :)
@stickboy8219
@stickboy8219 5 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking about this game the other day 😍
@nitmare64
@nitmare64 5 жыл бұрын
Rikki Constable Like having sex with it and stuff? Weirdo. 😂
@Starfals
@Starfals 5 жыл бұрын
Well done. Just as always, i appreciate the work you guys put into your videos. Also, thanks John!
@DrowseProductions
@DrowseProductions 5 жыл бұрын
Shadows of the Empire is a weird game. That first Hoth level is amazing and then the rest of the game just doesn't live up to it. I have a weird experience related to the game. Was going to buy Perfect Dark but when I took the cart home I found out that it was SOTH with a PD label pasted on it. Pretty disappointed by that ngl.
@madfinntech
@madfinntech 5 жыл бұрын
I finally found a time to watch this. An amazing episode of DF Retro! Surely made my day. Keep working on these John, highly appreciated.
@johannesbergcrantz
@johannesbergcrantz 5 жыл бұрын
Loved this game on the N64 :)
@pachinkor83
@pachinkor83 5 жыл бұрын
All of your N64 DF Retros have been interesting with the in depth look at the ways developers had to push the hardware. Thanks for making a new one John ! I've missed these.
@harveybrooks2597
@harveybrooks2597 5 жыл бұрын
Dash Rendar with a jet pack: "He can fly now?"
@Black-Re4per
@Black-Re4per 5 жыл бұрын
He can fly now
@phazonlord0098
@phazonlord0098 5 жыл бұрын
Oh yes, I've been waiting for a proper in-depth DF Retro for so long and you surely delivered it, John!
@kevindesousa6277
@kevindesousa6277 5 жыл бұрын
0:09 Aaaaand thats the end of shooting the monetization !!! Congrats !!!
@justinducker3033
@justinducker3033 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. I forgot about this game, but once I saw this footage all the memories came rushing back
@rowanunderwood
@rowanunderwood 5 жыл бұрын
7:56 "The Darth of Software"
@rare6499
@rare6499 5 жыл бұрын
Made me grin 👀
@Da323Guy
@Da323Guy 3 жыл бұрын
N64 shadow of the empire was my favorite star wars game ever! I spent hours, days with friend after school getting all the challenge points. So many good memories. Will never be forgotten.
@zodiacthundaga7264
@zodiacthundaga7264 Жыл бұрын
As a filthy zoomer, I can say this one could certainly use the Nightfdive Treatment.
@HYDRAdude
@HYDRAdude 5 жыл бұрын
Great video, Shadows is the game that got me to buy a N64, and what got me into gaming in general. I highly recommend looking at Rogue Squadron as that was another very successful N64 Starwars game that later got a PC port.
@High.on.Life_DnB
@High.on.Life_DnB 5 жыл бұрын
Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire Game: What are shadows?
@ozzyg82
@ozzyg82 5 жыл бұрын
I remember playing this - it’s lovely to see a part of my childhood being re-visited so many years later! Kudos to you sir!
@dang8016
@dang8016 5 жыл бұрын
This is the only Star Wars game I like, amazing.
@neildrunkmaam7040
@neildrunkmaam7040 5 жыл бұрын
Wow. You have a big bad taste or is really missinformed. Not that this game is bad, I played a lot of it, but there is A LOT of amazing SW games out there. But whatever.🤷‍♀️
@fabio78
@fabio78 5 жыл бұрын
@@neildrunkmaam7040 So true. Nostalgia is terrible for good judgement.
@RLMiLLHA
@RLMiLLHA 5 жыл бұрын
This video was a nice blast to the past and a pleasure to watch. Good work and thanks for making it! 👍
@eiszapfenderwutendenwinde3233
@eiszapfenderwutendenwinde3233 5 жыл бұрын
Despite all the hate from ultra casuals, this is still a fun game. I bet many don't even know the true ending of the game and still believe Dash Rendar died. Fcking casuals!
@picolete
@picolete 5 жыл бұрын
Some of the levels where hard as fuck
@cityside75
@cityside75 5 жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks for the effort. Amazing video! Back in the day I used to wish content like this existed, always wondered what all the pc graphics cards would look like side-by-side, I only had magazines and a few early websites to describe them. It took 20+ years but you finally delivered it!
@Cartoonman154
@Cartoonman154 5 жыл бұрын
I would love to see x-wing alliance remade in a modern engine.
@JeffYPbPr
@JeffYPbPr 5 жыл бұрын
Dude that game was so good. To me it's as nostalgic as shadows
@vivisect53
@vivisect53 5 жыл бұрын
The problem is it would get made as more arcade like console friendly multi platform game, not the flight simulator the original games were.
@Da323Guy
@Da323Guy 5 жыл бұрын
One of my fav of the n64! When i came home from school i would play it for hours! So many memories
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