Sony INZONE M10S Gaming Monitor Redefines Display Technology - And We Aren't Exaggerating

[@ThugNerd]

had never seen that dude so excited for something in his whole DF career lol

[@Daniel189HLL]

Trepang 2 at 1:00

[@rasmusolesen5307]

The heavy breathing 😂❤

[@gaurd3]

I guess you missed the behind closed doors cyberpunk 2077 preview.

[@Tigerhearty]

looks like they are huge sony advertisement ponies to me.

[@mainsource8030]

but would he play hogwarts to the end if it meant getting one? food for thought

[@TheLawrence05]

This is the best advertisement for a gaming monitor that Iver heard. I so much wanna have this monitor now!

[@joesaiditstrue]

it's not good, they don't mention the downsides. there's a much better review on KZbin from Badseed Tech that goes over all the downsides

[@Méiyǒurén-b7h]

That's the problem. It's looking like an ad not like a review. Because what's the point to have a 480hz monitor ?

[@azmalguthek4502]

If you are unfortunate enough to have coil whine, that 480 fps is going to give you a migraine in milliseconds.

[@apoclypse]

@@Méiyǒurén-b7h Yeah 480 is an egregious but its seems to be marketed or focused on esports players where motion clarity is the most important thing. However for me as a just your Joe schmo gamer I just need 120hz-144hz at most.

[@Traumglanz]

If you already have the 4090 ... go for it. If not ... go for it anyway if you are into 2D scrollers that can hit that frame rate anyway. :D

[@MrSodium271]

When John gets this much excited its really good. I fell for it when he said "I thought I was in a trance". Great stuff from Sony again

[@Shannon-ul5re]

I just wish Sony made a 32” 4K OLED monitor.

[@tylertass9983]

Sony always wins, baby.

[@ompong1993]

I saw this monitor in Ginza, Japan Sony store. I was blown away by how smooth it was and how amazing the picture quality is... Took couple pictures and told myself that I would do some research before I buy... Not realizing that I can't afford it. The future is definitely exciting!!!

[@MrPruske]

Exciting that the new oleds coming made with printing should be better and cheaper 👍

[@tokyobassist]

The reason why a smaller screen is preferred is because there is less eye movement to see all the HUD elements. Checking your health/meters as well as the opponents in a fighting game for example is a huge deal.

[@cantti]

I don't know, man - because when you look at how the majority of CS2 professional for example play, they have their 24" monitors so close to their faces that it’s practically brushing their eyelashes. At that point, wouldn’t it make sense to just get a slightly bigger monitor? 27" or 32" at more sensible distance.

[@ThaLiveKing]

yup

[@cantti]

@RicochetForce Exactly. The size of the display and your distance from the monitor are the two key variables that determine how far your eyes need physically to move to track different parts of the screen. Judging by how close may pro players sit-practically with their noses touching the 24" panel-the argument about minimizing eye movement doesn’t really hold up. At that distance, it’s essentially like sitting in front of a movie theater screen. From both an ergonomic and eye comfort perspective, you could achieve exactly the same effect by simply using a larger monitor at a more regular viewing distance. You’d still be moving your eyes just as much, but with a more comfortable setup.

[@BlueSkyleaf]

Hey I think you misunderstand what they meant. SOME Pros like to be really close to their screen adding TONS of eye movement for shooting games (because takes up a bunch of their FOV). The reason is because you can see more of the details in game (e.g. a head is larger). You are referring to mobas etc. where a wholistic view is more important. And I think DF misunderstood that the reason why you want to have a 24 inch display is because of the way you perceive distance and size consistently on equally sized monitors. It is more of a force of habit, as long as you have ok vision for all distances the physical size of the display is relatively irrelevant (up to extremes ofc). The initial widespread availability of 24 inch 240 Hz displays just created a bunch of people accustomed to it even though there is technically no advantage of a same fov coverage with a larger screen (or even benefits like less eye strain due to the more natural viewing distance). The one advantage (or disadvantage if you prefer stability) that a small close screen has is that of HEAD tracking. What I mean by that is if you take your phone and smash it into your face you will be able to move your head to pan the screen due to it's relative size (effectively increase your eye movement speed), impossible with larger screens.

[@mikewu3103]

i agree. i own a secretlab magnus xl desk and have my 32inch monitor back as i can, and in cs2 i die from enemies that are litteraly in obvious eye field and i dont see them. buying a 32inch for cs2 was the biggest mistake

[@WheeledHamster]

Them: 480hz E-Sport Monitor John: 2-D Pixel Art Platformer. Them: HWAAAAAAHHHH??????

[@akraticus]

sooo true

[@MarginalSC]

Retro tends to be really nice on an oled

[@colbyboucher6391]

It's great for that for the same reason CRTs were.

[@Traumglanz]

But it's not even a surprise, we are missing that feeling with retro consoles of crisp and smooth image quality in motion since decades ... or buy CRTs again in the year 2024.

[@freekyeekz]

Anyone know what that game was?

[@onlinemadman9166]

I love how sometimes I have no idea what you guys are talking about, but listening to you I feel more intelligent, feel is the key word

[@kill3rbyysight]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@photonboy999]

*JOHN needs to do this* Play games on the 480Hz, OLED, VRR monitor for one month. Then switch to a 60Hz, LCD, non-VRR monitor for the next month. Tell us how it goes!

[@chris42069]

It would be like the ending of Oedipus

[@blackcaesar8387]

I only went up to like 120hz vrr tv, and I don't know how to go back down to 60hz anymore.

[@Daniel189HLL]

Ssssssllllllllowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[@DioBrando-qr6ye]

I must be doing something wrong, becsue I have a 165Hz monitor and I can't tell the difference between 165 and 60. I only start to notice something when the frames drop under 50.

[@Tomiply]

@@DioBrando-qr6ye Did you remember to set it to 165Hz in Windows? A lot of people forget that, ironically. Or maybe you have terrible eyesight in terms of movement. I mean, my dad who plays like 1-2 games a year, mostly at 30fps, could tell a difference with my 165Hz monitor. He went "Wow, that's a LOT smoother." I didn't even tell him what to look for.

[@socaldayve]

Seeing John giddy like a kid on Christmas is the thing I didn't know I needed.

[@alexatkin]

People always underestimate the impact of high refresh rate on the desktop. I upgraded my desktop to a 120Hz 4K screen purely for desktop use, as when dragging and dropping things around it really makes a huge difference. When you have persistence blur, there is a slight delay in your actions as you wait for things to be clear to know you are dropping in the right place. Same problem when scrolling down web pages or lots of files with thumbnails, you have to slow down to keep things visible which makes scanning a large page/lots of files a lot slower. Even at 120Hz, scrolling through pages of code its impossible to read the code while still scrolling. (yes I comment my code but I forget what I used as the comment in order to search)

[@Wobble2007]

What these 480Hz OLED panels really need is rolling-scan, or rolling BFI, this will provide good motion performance at 60FPS with the right cadence RBFI, and HDR-RBFI will provide good luminance levels to negate the RBFI, you also have the really cool frame-stacking from HDFury, which inserts multiple frames per refresh cycle, much like sub-field-drive, which modulates @ 600Hz, so if we could get 600Hz OLED panels, using HDFury frame stacking, we could see last gen plasma level motion performance levels on OLED, something I never thought possible with sample & hold.

[@soulshinobi]

I have no idea what this man is talking about but we need to fund it immediately.

[@Stoddardian]

This. This so much. It's exactly why I'm still using a plasma as a console gamer.

[@chris42069]

Great comment, I wish I could pin this somehow

[@CarnivoryHODL]

Whatever this guy said

[@CorporateZombi]

Well the AI interpolated frame generation would be better than multiple copies of the same frame the HD Fury would be doing presumably.

[@Ray-dl5mp]

It’s so nice that all the people that said you can only see 60 fps and you never need beyond 60 hz were proven completely wrong. Not only is more frames a lot less lag. The motion clarity is the true game changer for enjoyment that John completely gets.

[@Traumglanz]

We knew since the rise of LCDs, we still bought those LCDs because the pretty designs, 100kg less weight, huge screen realestates, but we gamers back than always knew what we were giving up and mourning the loss. Finally we are getting motion clarity back.

[@bricaaron3978]

*"It’s so nice that all the people that said you can only see 60 fps and you never need beyond 60 hz were proven completely wrong."* That's like saying that Columbus proved that Earth is a sphere. It was already proved --- there were just a lot of ignorant people who weren't having any of that nonsense.

[@mishagameekg1210]

I've become addicted to everything DF.

[@phantom498]

This is the way.. Although I’m surprised on their ignorance of the esports scene. I forget that they are older more traditional gamers that primarily play single player games. But optimum tech fills the void of tech KZbinr into competitive games/esports for me, so it’s all good.

[@davidludwig7501]

Welcome aboard. These guys are the best.

[@adamashworth6293]

@@phantom498 Esports is very, very niche and these guys are primarily focused on cutting-edge real-time 3D rendering technologies. e-sports tend to use very simple graphics so it kinda makes sense that they're not too aware of the whole e-sports scene.

[@yourlocalhuman3526]

@@phantom498 yh when i got a few minutes into the video I was confused about why they were so surprised about this tech existing since Optimum has been making videos on 480hz oleds for months haha

[@airixxxx]

​@@phantom498because for us 40ish eSports are the most boring thing ever, it doesn't even feel like videogames.

[@WhatDaFaust]

Wonder how long it will take for 42" OLEDs with 4K/240Hz to become a reality.

[@ravenoftheredsky]

The feeling he explained how he's so mesmerized reminds me of how it was for me to see Mario 64 for the first time as a kid. Hard to explain

[@reggiefurlow1]

This even looks good with compression

[@zedamex]

Doom Eternal would be very fun at 480fps but one big issue with DE's engine is how high frame rates effect gameplay. You'll find certain enemies are impossible to shake off as they jump/lunge further and melee attack you at lightning speeds. Basically the game plays best balanced locked to 60. Speed runners go to 200fps as they leverage that "bug" to catapult themselves at crazy speeds thus distances. But beyond that (well, even at 200fps) things start to get stupid broken.

[@MovielikeCinema]

Real life motion blur by brute force fps is a thing that even cinema can't deliver.

[@chris42069]

To be fair, we tried higher frame rates in films and audiences hated it. But for sports, 120 FPS video is incredible - probably won't ever see a 120 FPS broadcast sadly. Maybe your kids one day.

[@nerdynumen]

@@chris42069 1; Who is we? 2; Boomers hate the soap opera effect of 48hz, or 48FPS, we've never had a 120FPS Movie.

[@nrXic]

Your statement doesn't make and sense. Motion blur is captured by the camera.

[@MovielikeCinema]

@nrXic The 180-degree rule on cinema cameras aims to mimic what we see with our eyes. Try to move your hand fast while staring at it.

[@MovielikeCinema]

@@nrXic The 180-degree rule used on cinema cameras were made to mimic what we see with our eyes. Try to shake your hand while staring at it to see what I mean.

[@eugkra33]

This thing is only $1099. That's not too bad actually, considering OLEDs used to all be that like 2 years ago.

[@wh3resmycar]

I'm using a LGC242 myself and i am waiting for a high refreshrate version. hopefully we get 360hz on a 42inch panel in the next 3 years.

[@stevegomez232]

I agree with john I had a 360 hz oled monitor and when I gamed on that it was like nothing ive seen before. I noticed my ability to game in competitive shooters was better too. Those crazy high frame-rates are game changers.

[@IcarusMK22]

And here I am gaming on a 13 inch 60hz OLED laptop from 2018 and still loving every minute.

[@BSC1992]

This is the way.

[@comiumapedra5397]

just buy a koorui monitor

[@Turbomorph]

Sony has always made some top notch televisions and monitors. Still remember being blown away the first time I saw a Sony Trinitron in person. Then the Bravia Series and now this!!! So excited for the future.

[@Curbyourphanta]

I’ve been using lg dual 240hz 4K / 480hz 1080p Oled and playing games at 480hz is absolutely amazing. The motion is so clear and the response is so fast you forget you’re using an input device between you and the game .

[@lopsidedwombat]

Watching their excitement is always the best thing

[@UsernameInvalid48]

Would love to see a 4K 240hz version of this as well. Have no complaints with my LG C2 4K 120 atm though.

[@paul2609]

24 inch is much better for first person shooter that's why a lot of these monitors have a 24" mode.

[@fabrb26]

1440p 24" monitor are a must. The day they understand this and gave us Oled 240 or 240+ monitor with Good HDR is the day i'm buying a new monitor

[@Deffine]

@@fabrb26 There are reasons they only go down to 32" and 27" right now and that has to do with yields and the TV panels these are cut from.

[@esportsfan2118]

there are 32 inch 4k monitors with "Dual Mode" 480hz at 1080p. basically u can either do 240hz 4k or 480hz 1080p on the same monitor. Asus PG32UCDP is one example. But for 1440p, yeah pretty much all the options are 27 inch.

[@chris42069]

Interesting, and frankly more appealing especially if they offer decent array of color gamuts with some degree of accuracy. Seems like a good compromise.

[@xlinnaeus]

really strange that DF is going crazy just for this one Sony panel? I don't get it, we've had a healthy variety of 480hz oleds for months

[@wg8561]

Very cool but I barely even use my CRT monitors because 24" is too small for me. Hopefully this will find it's way to big screens in the not too distant future

[@eliadbu]

There are 32" oled 4k 240hz monitors, some of them have 480hz 1080p mode as well. 32" is quite big for monitor imo, unless you want to go UW, which there are oled monitors as well.

[@frankjohansen3132]

I had the same feeling with a Fujitsu 75 hz monitor 20 years ago, it felt like watching water flowing when i played rFactor. I have no idea why it felt so smooth.

[@adamplechaty]

Guys, do a side by side with your FW900. Still think the CRT will fare better just because you don't need to run it at such absurd frames to hit the motion clarity of that OLED.

[@hypersonic8917]

John, did you try connecting the RetroTink 4K up to it and play with its different retro scanline settings?

[@MatthewBrown-yu1hs]

Sounds like a fantastic monitor. Although one has to think carefully what games they play before buying this, and whether the monitor is a good fit. There might be 2-3 games I play per rig that could hit these frames at all, and you'll need the GPU to match, not even DLSS+framegen will get modern, demanding games into the 180+ fps range, with a 4090, a GPU that costs as much as an entire computer. And probably not with a 5090, that'll likely be a 15-20% boost vs. 4090.. Lots of games will have engine limits that don't even go to 200 fps, let alone 480 fps. But it will be perfect for a certain niche of gamer. It seems great for esports. Just don't get pushed into a purchase because of a highly positive emotional reaction from a reviewer. Think about your use cases for your own hardware carefully. It can be a good futureproofing decision as well, if you plan to use this monitor for 8-10 years, and your rig itself might upgrade significantly in that time.

[@wahdangun]

you need very fast cpu to get 480fps

[@SturmAH]

480hz Oled, half way to the motion clarity of a 60hz plasma. 😅 But seriously, I’m glad motion clarity is finally getting to a better space, than it has been for the last 11 years.

[@wingedhussar1453]

Yea but u cant activate it unless u have high framerate

[@brkbtjunkie]

There’s a reason plasma never really caught on

[@Hamza-yu1ur]

Oh give me a break lol. I can’t stand plasma shills.

[@wingedhussar1453]

@@Hamza-yu1ur plasma is better tech it was just dim and didnt have good resolutions.if it was improved upon it would destory oled

[@sunderark]

*Pioneer Kuro

[@aiziril]

I bought a 360Hz OLED this year and you're not wrong. I don't think I'll ever be going back.

[@gustavosanches5674]

So no bfi or rolling scan implementation? By lg g1 120hz bfi looks less blurry i guess

[@TheBrandonAF]

How does this get glowing praise when we know it falls short compared to direct competitors from about all metrics? Deceiving DP 2.1, awful ETOF falloff, missing feature for the pricepoint, out of the box calibration severely lacking. This is one of those times I am saddened to see something I feel like is a straight up bought and paid for ad.

[@MaxLebled]

When you have a 2ms granularity in frame timing display, you arguably don't even need VRR support anymore

[@jpa145]

Honest question - as console player that enjoys this type of tech but has literally never seen it in real life, where can I go to check this stuff out? Just to elaborate, I have no friends that play on PC that I could visit and check out their high end specs. To be clear, I don’t need to see 480hz, but even seeing 240hz would be something I think I would thoroughly enjoy.

[@Pandemonium088]

240Hz BFI would be fantastic on the monitor!

[@haftarun8]

I think one big fix for taking full advantage of these super high refresh monitors without always having the raw FPS to drive it would be an improved Low Frame Compensation system within G-sync/Freesync/VRR. Have it be ratios of display setting where if the FPS is less than half the monitor refresh, refresh doubles. If it's less than 1/3, refresh triples. If less than 1/4, refresh quadruples, etc. This way someone targeting 60fps could get a lot closer to that 480hz motion clarity.

[@brkbtjunkie]

We already have that, it’s called 1/2, 1/3, or 1/4 vsync. For a 120hz display, 1/4 vsync displays 30frame per second while the display refreshes 120 times per second. The series x already frame doubles in 120hz mode as well. The ps5 however does not

[@chris42069]

🧠

[@zachrumney841]

What was the slow motion FPS they were showing in the beginning of the video?

[@uczen1606]

Can you tell me what you did you make the HDR look good on this monitor? In my experiance the HDR looked worse than the lg c2. When calibrating the display in windows hdr calibration app, in order to get it to clip i need to increase the brightness so much(2.5k instead of the 1.3k I'd expect) that the bright colours become blown out and washed out. When I tested it in Elden Ring there also seems to me a decent amount of black level raise. The c2 just looks better in every way in hdr and I'm wondering whether I'm doing something wrong or the monitor is just faulty.

[@aminelaribi3535]

Update firmware and calibrate to 1300 regardless of squares

[@nizzy33K]

I got that same feeling when i upgraded from a 27’ 1440p120 fps monitor to a 32’ OLED 4K240 Hz Monitor w/1080p 480 hz dual channel mode.

[@iHardstyleZz]

I totally can feel the excitement in some kind of way because when I got my ASUS ROG WQHD OLED with 240Hz it felt like entering a new world. Near-instant response time, no ghosting, incredibly fast picture handling and a brutally beautiful display for gaming in both SDR and HDR. Worth every €€€!

[@andyh4464]

He said over 200 still looked good, I wonder if he could tell 240 vs 480 in a blind test, that would be a fun video

[@BattleBrotherCasten]

Who tf needs that high frame rate? most people can't afford the GPU to run it and poeple think they pro gamers or something? frames only matter in high level competitive play.

[@andyh4464]

@ nah it looks really good in motion, adds a lot to the visual fidelity of the game. Won’t make a pro but looks pretty.

[@MrPruske]

​@@BattleBrotherCastenyou don't need to drink anything other than water

[@killrblue]

@@BattleBrotherCastenyes id you wanna run at 480fps you need to have a high end gpu at low graphics settings . I have 165hz monitor with a 4070 and I don't need more

[@pgmaniak2019]

John is right.. as a owner of 360hz QD oled panel.. once you see it, you can't using anything else, it's 10 levels above anything else we got on the market, if u have PC strong enough.. oh boi it's MAD.

[@galen__]

480Hz is going to ruin many people. 120Hz seems like 30fps? 😂

[@thenonexistinghero]

Doesn't work that way. DF has been full of it in recent years. There's no difference at some point anymore.

[@CaptainKenway]

@@thenonexistinghero It's always amusing to read the stuff that poor people tell themselves to cope with not being able to afford nice things. You're right in a sense that at some point you reach the limits of the human eye, but it's way above 480Hz. There's a 2015 scientific study which you can easily find which concluded that humans can still see defects in motion at over 800Hz.

[@thenonexistinghero]

@@CaptainKenway You're only proving your own ignorance by pretending that completely unrelated testscenarios are somehow relevant to real life scenarios. You don't seem to know the first thing about how to interpret science.

[@Kevaughan]

What game is that at 1:54?

[@danny_lee1337]

Trepang^2

[@rocus80m]

Any idea who is the oringal vendor of the panel? Sony or any others?

[@salarsadri]

I almost was sold on the monitor but saw it was QHD. Would love to get the 4K version once Sony releases it.

[@justindressler5992]

What's the max frame rate supported by hdmi and display port again for 1440p

[@justindressler5992]

Just looked it up HDMI 2.1b in theory can support HDR 10 bit up to 320hz, display port 2.1 can get to 512hz. So I guess so.

[@Hop_Off_N7]

I don't doubt it, I'm personally looking at 360 hz because I like QD-OLED more but yeah it's a game changer. Also frame gen being used to take a game from a high frame rare like 120/240 to 240/480 is very interesting. I think that's the true potential of frame generation and it's best application.

[@FoxGhost7]

With framegen, going from 120 to 480 should be relatively feasible? You already have so much raw data to work with in that case in the first place.

[@ReneGNG]

For those wondering what the games are (I sure was), the games showned are: - Trepang2 - Freedom Planet 2 - Doom Eternal All of those can be found on Steam.

[@nrXic]

What's the response time? It must be really good but it would be nice to get a number.

[@Baba_Muni]

what are the games shown @one min mark after doom.. the platformer and slowmo fps??

[@jtu100]

What is that platform game around the 50 second mark?

[@danny_lee1337]

He said himself in the video Freedom Planet 2

[@lordbalzamore7692]

We forgot what good motion clarity looks like - some of the young ones have never seen it. Still possible with impulse technologies, especially at low framerate and brightness, but it's cool it's coming to bright OLED. Brute force 1000hz sample and hold is still the goal for now though, with 40-48khz as the final final goal. Chief Blur Buster reckons 480hz is a significant milestone too.

[@deanchur]

Is there a single cable that can handle 4K 480Hz? IBM released 3840x2400 monitors back in 2001 (T220/T221) but you needed a special card to run them and then you only got 30Hz.

[@dewaldomusic]

The monitor is 1440p not 4K

[@neocitron]

Using GPU power to solve a problem caused by display technology through wasteful brute force is dumb. Motion clarity is affected because of sample and hold displays and I find it disappointing that we don’t have some kind of modern impulse display technology in 2024. Even 60hz would look as smooth as 160+ with a good impulse display. And 120 with impulse should be more than enough for anyone except the very best competitive gamers.

[@gigantoad3261]

Yeah but to be fair, high refresh rate is also about smoothness, not just motion clarity. So it's the end game either way.

[@wahdangun]

actually cpu more important with this high framerate

[@willytjr1]

The way he starts mentally resetting around 1:28-1:33 told me everything. If he’s excited, I’m excited 🫡🫶🏻

[@Alauz]

480Hz OLED, well 240Hz 4K OLED is already getting me so bloody happy to look at the screen on a daily basis

[@Decki777]

SED display is the ultimate display technology it's a flat panel CRT display. Companies should spend money to make SED display rather than spending on unicorn micro led display.

[@amdsquad]

Recently got 240 Hz OLED and think it should be enough for another 3-4 years until we see cards that can consistently push 480 FPS in modern titles.

[@michael-4k4000]

Is all the hubbub on oled over hyped?

[@JJSideshowBob]

I understand their enthusiasm about the tech, but spending 18 minutes on a single display, they should have mentioned that it's only one year of warranty. For an OLED display, that is a red flag. Not to mention the blur issues widely reported or the price.

[@hugomzo]

Oof. 1 year? Does it cover burn in at least?

[@PoRRasturvaT]

​@@hugomzo Doesn't matter because burn in is not supposed to appear in just 1 year. All major brands released this year have 3 years covering burn in. 1y is not only terrible warranty but also admittion that their mitigation solution is bad to non-existent.

[@theanimerapper6351]

​@@PoRRasturvaT OLED burn in is largely a myth.

[@km-hi9wj]

69

[@vaguedreams]

It's Sony, they have been absolute shart stains for warranty coverage and customer service. Wouldn't expect anything less from them.

[@Bilingsly]

Has any gpu been able to hit 480 fps on graphic intense games.

[@mitchellbrinkerdp]

I think it’s more aimed towards competitive shooters like overwatch, cs2, or valorant.

[@albertga0810]

@@Bilingsly short answer is no. But also esports gamers don't even run games at high settings. They're all about removing as many graphical features as possible to get the highest refresh rate. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't even notice fine details and are largely paying attention to the shape of things

[@scofozo]

the AQDP supports bfi with the same 1440p240hz 27" layout, in case your game can only reach 240hz, allowing you to make a 240hz game's motion clarity as clear as 480hz

[@spacemanjupiter]

what is aqdf

[@scofozo]

@@spacemanjupiter meant AQDP, the Asus PG27AQDP

[@josephparry]

480hz oled isn’t new though, I already own one, so it would have been more valuable for someone in my position would be to know if it’s better than what’s already available or the same.

[@AleksandreMzhavia]

Yes... BUT, what about TEXT clarity! :)

[@aliceeehgames]

The sub pixel layout is different than normal WOLED to improve text clarity

[@JonnyTenebrous]

Oh, wow - this looks amaaazing! But I'm a classic gamer and no BFI for older content is such a letdown for me. I want a variant of this monitor I can connect to my MiSTer FPGA (etc) for 60hz +/- content with excellent motion clarity. Perhaps then I can finally let go of my CRTs. Either way, it's very exciting to see we've finally arrived at this point - the last 20 years have been very frustrating as somebody who cannot stand motion blur. Entire genres of games have effectively died due, in significant part, to the supremacy of sample-and-hold displays, imo.

[@Traumglanz]

Corrupted now? We had CRTs running at 120hz, that's like a 2000hz LCDs. Though I guess 480 is almost like NTSC in terms of motion clarity. Should be good enough. Will be interesting to see if 1k makes a big difference or if 480 will become the new 60 fps in like 10-20 years.

[@1GTX1]

Also they said in some previous video that image quality with TAA gets better at higher FPS, so i wonder if 480fps helps with anti aliasing also and DLSS

[@andraszoltan2]

I had exactly this experience the first time seeing my cousin's Amiga play Zool in 16bit colour at a rock-solid 60hz back in the day. Nothing had ever looked that stable and colourful before. I'm watching this video on my 65" LG Oled and I can tell that the motion blur I'm seeing in this video is because the display was updating so quickly. And from that I can kinda imagine how stable this must look in the flesh, and I need to see it. Excited to see this kind of tech on bigger panels down the road. Although it'll mean a new HDMI/DP standard beforehand to blast that kind of data! Unless someone finds a way to externalise the AI upscalers over a standard HDMI/DP connection by repurposing a data path for motion vectors etc. Then you could send 1080/60 and upscale to 4k/120. We could actually see 4k/1khz!

[@vohen7362]

everybody seeing Sony stepping up on all directions but not everyone buying sony stock.Then don't complain in months to come,i should have invested.

[@WorldHayes-VR]

Sony needs to fix the ghosting on PlaystationVR 1 and 2

[@EyesOfByes]

Im imaginimg playing Brotato on wave 90 with 480Hz OLED

[@Dribin]

😂

[@kidcoma1340]

I have the LG OLED that can do 480hz at 1080p... you don't really see a difference between 240 and 480hz, you only veeeery slightly feel it in the response time, anyone telling you it is a massive difference is completely talking out of his 4ss or fell for the placebo effect. To add on top of that, try the UFO test and stare at one point (don't follow the ufo), you will see the "motion blur" induced by your retina makes everything look identical anyways. Perfect motion clarity is only beneficial in some extreme fringe cases, 240hz is more than enough.

[@deus_nsf]

Please John, try Lossless Scaling Frame Generation for 60 Hz and 120 Hz content, to reach 240 and 480 with the x4 mode! We need the feedback!

[@linkinjunior]

What is currently the best 144hz 1440p OLED monitor? Also, best solution for emulation of older games on windows?

[@theleftist]

I think they make it pretty clear that this Sony

[@infasis]

They always say esports, but if you love old games and indie stuff you'll find a ton of them that support really high framerates, sometimes it will take tinkering though if that bothers people. (I used to used to use one of the earliest 240hz monitors, but I retired it because the color sucks on it. I'm glad OLED and high quality IPS have become the norm now)

[@flat6croc]

But it's still a 1440p 27-inch panel for $1,000+. The benefits in terms of response and latency are so few and far between. And also pretty marginal versus a 240Hz OLED.

[@zacharyspencer2285]

I have the 240/480hz Asus32UDCP it really is amazing at 480hz. There is a big difference in motion clarity. I would wish they could make a 480hz 4k monitor in the future because the 4k looks perfect at 32" but it can only do 240 at that framerate. Games such as fortnite, valorant, doom eternal, overwatch 2 all are amazing at the super high refresh rates and are worth checking out if you have the funds.

[@cpt.tombstone]

DisplayPort 2.1 would have plenty of bandwidth spare even after 4K 480Hz. 4K 240Hz only needs ~30 Gbps with DSC, DP 2.1 has 80 Gbps with DSC.

[@ecrush5080]

I can still remember playing SNES's Mario (world?) on crt is way way easier that using LCD and Plasma tvs.

[@GradyKallenbach]

I can't wait to try a 480hz screen! I'm looking up in the corner while playing wipEout phantom edition and it often says 1200fps, but my poor old (brand new) oled laptop can only show 240fps. It looks incredible, but I'm so looking forward to seeing 480 or 960hz!

[@slothsarecool]

27” is great to me, I like having everything in my FOV, just need a good 4k OLED at that size

[@KalElinabox]

Let me know if you do. Unfortunately, all the 4k monitors I've seen are 31.6" minimum and not all of them are above 60 hz or oled.

[@matusmikoviny]

actually true, only thing that can drive fast platformers is CRT ...:)

[@daniebello]

i know 1440p is good for gaming but for literally everything else i would want the display to be 4K, even at 27” i can see the pixels at a normal viewing distance on 1440p monitor. also for future proofing i would rather pay a bit extra and get 4K also, there are some games that are not super fast motion and frame rates don’t matter as much. where 60fps is perfectly fine and you notice resolution more, to not have 4K available there just sucks i know Thunderbolt 5 is new but i wonder if it would support 4K480 and all the other features

[@CrashBashL]

Does it have De-Judder De-Blur technology?! If it doesn't, I'll stick with the LG Oled TVs.

[@FJaypewpew]

So now I ask The currently out 480hz monitor or this one? I guess we will have to see

[@ShawalAli-t8d]

what games was shown?

[@Pettybridgewater]

Did you guys review the M9?

[@CellarDoorAU]

What will happen, when it gets to 960Hz/1000Hz - Will the 'Persistence Blur' issue be solved with twice the refresh speeds of this monitor? Or Black Frame Insertion will always be required for slower refresh rates?

[@Jeroenneman]

But what makes this so much better than existing 1440p 360Hz panels, or 4K 240Hz panels? Most games aren't even pushing 150fps even on high-end GPU's

[@Lon1an]

I got a dual display 4k 240fps or 1080p 480fps with HDR but switching between the higher frames I do not notice much difference in quake2. 120 fps and 60fps does feel bad in comparison to 200fps.

[@spacemanjupiter]

I've read that this monitor is not that great at 60 hz and only shines if you drop details and go for frame rates. I want those high frame rates when I'm in the mood for MP, but I also want to be able to max something out with path tracing on some single player games, which usually requires lower frame rates such as 60 fps. No BFI is kind of a deal breaker. I think Asus has a 480hz monitor now but not sure how they compare yet.

[@5etz3r]

I remember growing up hearing over and over again that the human eye can't see more than 24 frames per second or something like that, maybe it was 30 frames per second, but something low. Then I got into the 120-144hz refresh rates and knew right away there is significant difference to my eye perception. Now we have statements here about 240hz to 480hz being the giant jump into lifelike and stunning jaw dropping motion clarity. Obviously there is a difference between the perceived difference from 240hz and 480hz to the human eye. I honestly have not seen 240hz+ but I can tell from your statements its something special to witness. My point is that quite clearly, what I was told about the maximum framerates perceivable to the human eye was complete and utter BS. That goes for lots of things I was told growing up but I'll stop there....

[@pgmaniak2019]

Yeah ur 100% right bro, I'm using 360hz QD oled from alienware and to compare to my prev 165hz lcd monitor it's like going from 1990 to 2020 lol , I think above 500hz human eye won't see any difference anymore.. on 360hz it's feels like it's life-like smoothness regardless, it;s hard to describe, everything you play feels REAL with these monitors, I highly recommend to get one as they aren't that expensive now, around 600$

[@pgmaniak2019]

I guess similar effect it's going to be with 8k gaming, (maybe not that dramatic) but i think difference will be still siginificant.

[@5etz3r]

@@pgmaniak2019 whats crazy is I can't really imagine anything smoother than 120hz-144hz refresh rates. its all I've seen so far. It feels like its as smooth as it matters and anything beyond that is "whatever", but CLEARLY thats not the case. I really wanna see 480hz in person sometimes.

[@videogaminbiker889]

@@5etz3r just move something across your screen at a decent pace whilst looking at a fixed point, you'll easily see the limitation of 120

[@MANiACmiget925]

John really sold me this monitor, i was so amped up and then I googled the monitor and saw the price 👀 ill wait till that kind of technology is a few hundred less 😅

[@jmssun]

I wish it has a great built in CRT filter to turn the screen into a CRT replacement