DGPT Pros Protest Penalties for Tardiness

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[@ks-pg5sh]

Why is it so difficult to get to the tee at the appointed time?

[@craigwoolsey5768]

If he was 7 seconds late that means they saw him coming, is there a finish line they have to cross ?

[@tylercolby2011]

This is an excellent point

[@LuceDiscGolf]

@@tylercolby2011 This was my first thought as well, like... 7 seconds? How far away was he? Feels like they should have been able to see him. I'm 100% with be "on time" meaning before 5 minutes but was he really late? If you are in eye and earshot are you not there? What's the determining factor on that?

[@alexhickman2945]

"I broke the rules, but not by that much, so I should be treated differently than all the other players that bothered to show up on time."

[@fallenshane19]

I’ve been wondering the same thing. If he yells really loud that he’s here from across the course does that count?

[@Falascoa]

Ya, seven seconds is ridiculous.... You see him coming and make eye contact and then touch your watch. Give me a break for real. 😂

[@SkeletorJenkins]

Be 7 seconds early and you wont have anything to worry about. 2 strokes is better than getting sent to the house. This is your job. Be on time.

[@OldmanDiscGolf]

doesn't matter if it is 30 seconds or 5 minutes, some people do not value anyone else's time and will be late no matter what the rule is.

[@timothybennett9973]

Lmao, I wish you could understand how silly you sound. It's the beginning of the round when everyone is just standing around. If they are gunna enforce this rule they need to start making people putt within the 30 seconds. That wastes more of everyone's time than this crap.

[@wesleywhite1126]

They are PROFESSIONAL Disc Golfers. Act like it and show up on time

[@andrewaring]

Live your life as if being on time is late and this isn't a problem. I don't understand the difficulties

[@vJackaRoo]

Here’s your platitude facepalm.

[@andrewaring]

@@vJackaRoo I'm sorry I offended you with my opinion.

[@thomasbrovont4114]

If you aren't 10mins early you are late.

[@vJackaRoo]

@@andrewaring You didn’t expect people to have an opinion of your opinion?

[@andrewaring]

@@vJackaRoo ok

[@thejesusandmannychain95]

It’s so dumb hearing everyone complain when the reality is that the tour needs to establish a sense of professionalism so that it distinguishes itself from the amateur side otherwise that hurts things like sponsorships and whatnot. I’ve done theatre through my college years and work service and there was one line that rang true “if you’re early you’re on time, if you’re on time you’re late, if you’re late….dont bother showing up” and it makes a statement by abiding by that advice. Don’t get me wrong I hate sticklers as much as the next person but a line has to be drawn when it comes to making rules and enforcing them

[@vJackaRoo]

Apples and oranges. The show goes on if Drew doesn’t show up on time to tee off. Just tee off without him.

[@QAlba1074]

Professionalism is the bane of our existence.

[@thejesusandmannychain95]

⁠@@vJackaRoohow is this apples to oranges? If the players on the tour want there to be an air and concrete form of professionalism they shouldn’t complain when it’s actually implemented even if it’s not in their favor. You get back what you put in. So your jaded comment is quite an odd response to mine

[@thejesusandmannychain95]

@@QAlba1074can be sometimes, but I think a lot of the tenets of it are super valuable to one’s professional and personal life.

[@vJackaRoo]

@@thejesusandmannychain95 Real theater, a team endeavor, is a whole different world from individual player, no team, sports. Something you should know from your theater work. Apples to apples would be if the team putting on the event, penalized the workers putting in the ev3nt. The players are oranges. The workers are apples.

[@danielmccachern2307]

If you get stroked 5 minutes before the tee time. Show up 10 before the tee time to give yourself a buffer. This is a basic life skill that everyone should know. In the regular work world, late is late. In disc golf 4:59 is late, so be early!

[@81GTUN4]

Hey Daniel, how do you even fart being such a tight ass?

[@jasonurroz570]

Brodie is correct re: the "card time vs. individual player's time". The time should apply to the whole group equally. The 4th player shouldn't get an extra 1:00 to 1:30 seconds, depending on how fast the first three players tee off.

[@mitchellstocker8637]

No worries--that rule is out the window. New rule is everyone there five minutes before starting time.

[@jasonurroz570]

@@mitchellstocker8637 I know. But, Ricky said they should go back to the way it was ... and Uli was describing how it was ... and Brodie was saying that the (hypothetical) arrival time (if they reverted back) should apply to everyone equally, regardless of the tee off order.

[@mitchellstocker8637]

@@jasonurroz570 For sure, and you make a good point when you mention that 'Ricky said." Maybe players should have more input?

[@toddlion6102]

2018: 811.F.5 If a player is not present to throw when they are next in the throwing order, and remains absent for at least 30 seconds, the player does not make any more throws on the hole. The player’s score for the hole is par plus four. 2022: 811.F.5 If a player is not present at the start of the round for their assigned group, the player is considered absent and does not play the hole. [2022 separated Absent and Missing into two different bullets.] The 2022 rule is universal for all events, shotgun or tee time, major or c-tier. The 4th player does not get any more time than the 1st player. When the horn blows, that's the start of the round. If you're not there, you're absent, no matter where you are in the throwing order.

[@erichutchins5584]

Since this was a sanctioned round, the TD should be able to assess the penalty via the PDGA tournament manager. I don't like seeing it applied by the card on the scorecard, since it messes with the stats on the hole (can inflate the stroke to par average) and it is also not the card that is stroking him, but the starter, so it is weird to put it on you guys.

[@Broken_Pixels]

Excellent point about the taking 2 hours to putt but not allowing being 7 seconds late.

[@matthewbertram4312]

The line is the line. 7 seconds IS the same as 7 minutes. Because you're late. There isn't a scale of penalties for how late you are. If they give one guy 7 seconds but don't give someone else 15 seconds, you risk bias. That's like getting pulled over for speeding and saying, "Come on, it's not like I was going 20 miles over the speed limit." It doesn't matter; if you were still speeding, you're going to get a ticket. The fact that people who call themselves professionals still can't just show up when they're supposed to and whine about it are baffling. If your tee time is 11:35am, and they expect you to be there at 11:30am per the rule, then treat your tee time like it's 11:25am. Those extra 4 minutes of putting practice aren't going to make or break your round. Get to the tee, do whatever you need to stay loose. Move on with your life.

[@eoghana315]

How fast over the speed limit does matter, it's the difference between a misdemeanor and a felony. And cops don't automatically give tickets, sometimes you get a warning. You couldn't have butchered an analogy worse.

[@matthewbertram4312]

@@eoghana315 not to a cop. They're going to give you a ticket regardless. I'm not going to get into the semantics of what a judge decides to do, if you have a lawyer, whatever. Muddying the analogy doesn't serve a purpose, the reasoning is the same. The rule is the rule.

[@leastselfawarepotassium]

@@eoghana315your takes are so bad.

[@Grannyknockers]

If you’re a professional and this is your main job, I honestly can’t understand not being ready at least 30 minutes early. In what other sport are guys not showing up hours in advance? Hell Scottie had time to make it to the course, go to jail, and still made his tee time 😂

[@deadseriousmatt2987]

I showed to play MA3 in a one-round Flex like 40 minutes early. I can't imagine being late for a tee time in a fucking DGPT event. I can't imagine being late for a round of disc golf for any reason. it's disc golf.

[@atomicsunrise85]

How hard is it to be on time for your job? Maybe I'm just more motivated and get there early anyways.

[@whorchatasoto]

You’re either late, or you’re not. Just like you’re either in bounds or you’re out. You have to draw a line somewhere. If 7 seconds is ok is 12? Is 26? He was almost not late, but he was late. This is a professional sport, act like it people.

[@jomebrew]

It was easy to miss my tee time at Beaver State Fling AM last weekend. There were tee time changes two of the three days without any notification. I happened to check again on my way to the course and found mine was moved up by 10 minutes the last day and moved out by 10 minutes day 1. I'm 30 minutes early anyway :) Dad taught me if I am not early, then I am late.

[@Grannyknockers]

Dad taught me if you ain’t first, yer last

[@brandonfbomb_2327]

So here's the hybrid workaround. At two minutes you're required to be within 50 feet of the teepad you've been assigned. You're free from then until your turn to do whatever you please

[@fisherguy45]

In general, people who show up late for the tee times are also showing up late for other things in their lives. This is so annoying for the people who are always on time and have time to spare.

[@mattmay6348]

Uli is right for the wrong reason. 7sec is diff than 7 min. 7 sec is a two stoke penalty. 7 minutes is a 4 stroke penalty because you are missing the hole.

[@brianguinn7463]

As my staff sergeant said it is just as easy to be 5 min early as 5 min late. It makes a world of difference

[@artem_mma]

It can't be that hard to show up on time. They're professionals

[@derrickquintal]

Just be on time? It's not that hard, it's called responsibility.

[@sethgibson7851]

You think every clock is exactly the same?

[@RubberTrampsReviews]

People who are late all the time are selfish occasionally there is a valid reason but most of the time it’s avoidable. Plan ahead . My father told me once about people who are always late. If I tell them that I will give them a million dollars at 8 am in the morning as long as they are not a sec late they would make sure to be on time. Plan ahead. No need to waste people most valuable resource. Time is worth more than money. You can make more money, haven’t found anyone yet that can make more time.

[@mickydixon5694]

In everything in life if youre ten minutes early youre ten mins late ...old man proverb

[@YashaKoman]

I don’t have a problem with the rule, I have a problem with other rules not being enforced

[@deepsender]

"Must be present at the starting hole" says the rule. How is 7-seconds away not present?

[@part-timelawns4392]

Late is late. Why can you be on time? You know what your T time is.

[@Chillydall02]

Most players are at the tournament for HOURS before their tee time. How is it so difficult for so many of them to be there at least 5 min before?

[@garylefebvre1565]

With 7 seconds late I bet everyone on the card could see him on his way to the tee. Ridiculous.

[@mawage666]

Was he running to the tee area? If he was literally 7 seconds late, and just casually walking when he could have simply picked up the pace and made it, then absolutely you should get the 2 stroke penalty.

[@Nick-tb8ee]

7 seconds late, to not be "5 minutes early" lol

[@zachgilchrist669]

Man, if only something could be done to end the tyrany 🙄

[@randiss45454]

Give an inch, take a foot. It is a rule and time is a real thing. Be on time. If you don't like rules go play some casual rounds. its the PRO tour, be a pro. I also love how they complain about pace of play, but laugh at being on time.

[@dealiyo]

If your tee time is 10oclock your 30sec starts at 10 o'clock.. just make the tee time 5 minutes before they actually want people to play... Like how I tell my wife to be ready ahead of when we actually have to leave...

[@613cjt]

If I clock in 7 seconds late to work…I’m late.

[@richardjacoby4467]

Players showing up late, this far into the season, really proves why there has to be a rule enforced. How bad were they before they started enforcing the rule?

[@tylercolby2011]

I think people are either late people or punctual; there shouldn't be any in-between 😎

[@lfish21.]

I dont see how asking PROS to be at your tee time 5 minutes before tee is that wild of an ask. It’s 5 minutes, it’s your job, be on time.

[@deloherysean]

Professionals should be on time. If you are being paid to be there, then I couldn't care less about how late or what excuse you might have, as long as it wasn't an emergency.

[@jessearzola8214]

The rule changed I thought a few years ago. Once the first person tees off and you are not there you missed your tee time and do not get to tee. Even if you are fourth and haven't technically missed "your" tee time.

[@toddlion6102]

2018: 811.F.5 If a player is not present to throw when they are next in the throwing order, and remains absent for at least 30 seconds, the player does not make any more throws on the hole. The player’s score for the hole is par plus four. 2022: 811.F.5 If a player is not present at the start of the round for their assigned group, the player is considered absent and does not play the hole. [2022 separated Absent and Missing into two different bullets.] The 2022 rule is universal for all events. The 4th player does not get any more time than the 1st player. When the horn blows, that's the start of the round. If you're not there, you're absent, no matter where you are in the throwing order.

[@danielhicks5031]

im honestly with Trevor on this one. Your on time as long as your there before 11:01. Once the clock ticks one minute past the time your supposed to be there your late. Thats why people dont advise rolling in exactly when things say they start... just in case that particular event does start the second the clock turns 11

[@Flakzor123]

I haven't kept up with the reason for the 5 minute rule but I do believe it creates a better flow for the staff in case a card ends up with only 2 players. With the rule in place there will be less of a scramble to find an official to go with them if there isn't an opportunity to merge the card with another.

[@oniefields83]

It’s used to be you had to be there b4 2 minutes or you missed that hole .

[@joukovaananen5951]

In addition to tee time penalties bring an assisting td and a time keeper person for every card and make sure people throw in time (30 seconds) and give penalties for foor faults. Nobody wants a four hour round because nikko, buhr or cupcake is trying to putt in a card ahead of you. Rules are rules. Judging other players shouldn't be players' task.

[@jaminschmitt]

Novel concept: show up early.

[@TheLoamFather]

first off- players should be able to be on time, time mgmt seems easy af second off- why are we enforcing this rule so heavily compared to other infractions?? foot faults. 30 seconds. unmarked discs. if you wanna be hard about one- be hard about them all, can’t take the pdga seriously until it’s fair across the board.

[@terry7423]

On time is on time, period. There just needs to be a line. So easy to be on time.

[@alexhickman2945]

Drew "falling victim" to the concept of time. He is very brave for coming forward.

[@mikemartin5340]

Why is the rule 5 minutes though? Lol. Doesn’t really make any sense- is there something administrative that needs to be done within those 5 minutes?

[@NRafa7]

It’s sad that these professional athletes are complaining about having to be five minutes early to their job.

[@elisabethe8055]

Why is it a problem to show up in time for the tee time? I wonder what makes people show up in the nik of time, (or late as of the problem discussed) what do they do? I think a documentary "late for tee time" has do be done. I would LOVE the outcome of that! :) Either by Jomez or DGN. If people used to make it in time before the 5 minute rule, what the heck make it so difficult to make it in time with the new 5 minute rule? BTW, i love Drew, no minute shadow shall be cast on him.

[@easy3discgolf144]

You're a professional. Be on time. The other problem is "slippery slope". So 7 seconds is okay? What about 8 seconds? What about 1 minute? What about 5 minutes? Who decides when "overtime" starts?

[@yakefromstatefarm]

Here's a revolutionary idea, DGPT "changes the rule back". Everybody just be there for your stated tee time. Bump up all the stated tee times by 5 minutes and institute a mandatory fart around on the tee pad time for 5 minutes before you throw.

[@alexhickman2945]

That's a revolutionary bad idea. The rule is about as simple as it gets. Don't be late.

[@yakefromstatefarm]

its a joke bro, what i said is basically what they've already done, except maybe if its his actual tee time, Drew wont be so pissy about being "7 seconds late" but who knows, he has a habit of complaining about everything

[@jamesbibb6037]

Crazy idea but couldn't they just make the tee time 5 mins earlier

[@ryry562000]

Like really 7 seconds, Drew was no more 15 steps away. So what constitutes being on time, do u have to run up and slap the official on his bum

[@keepsafebandpa]

Nothing is getting delayed by 7 seconds give them a 15 second grace period or something, a minute would be too much but if its a matter of seconds i think their just grasping at straws

[@deadseriousmatt2987]

I just gotta ask: If you're a professional disc golfer, what the fuck are you doing all day that you're late to your round? Do these guys not get there and warm-up and practice putting the same way all but the most casual of players do? You're at the course, just go to hole one when you're supposed to be there. I mean they're pros. Do they just jump out of the van like Tommy Boy trying to catch the bus and show up cold on hole 1 to play a DGPT event?

[@derricksmith1743]

It doesn’t matter if it’s an inch or a mile. Winnings winning.

[@leastselfawarepotassium]

I don’t understand why all these pro’s suddenly can’t turn up on time. It’s not ‘five minutes early’, it’s the time you need to be there.

[@abfutrell]

Give a 2 stroke bonus for being 5 minutes early. :)

[@kspraddiscgolfguy]

Every competitive sport that wants to be taken seriously should strive to have final scores reflect on-course (in-play) performance. Questionable rules include this one, and some of the new rules for baseball. It's a joke. Another thing: Players CANNOT and should not be held responsible for enforcing the behavior and actions of fellow players - that can put some people in difficulty, and very uncomfortable, situations. There's got to be a better way.

[@mattwood9678]

Oh waaah waaah... Stupid rule or not, its a rule you agree to abide by. Show up on time or shut your mouth and take your strokes.

[@discgolflife]

I'd be pissed AF! I wouldn't be nice about it either

[@alexhickman2945]

I hope you'd be pissed at yourself for breaking the the rules. This isn't complex, he was more than 5 minutes. He throws discs for a living and is paid very well to do so. He is living a dream. Pro tip: if you are living your dream, show up on time.

[@nickbonnett]

to be early, is to be on time, to be on time, is to be late, and to be late, is to be sorry. you're a professional, get there early.

[@87dsz]

No actually on time means you're on time.

[@nickbonnett]

@@87dsz play that game, get stuck at a red light, hit construction, or a detour…see how that works out for ya.

[@87dsz]

@nickbonnett it's not a game, on time is on time. It is in fact, not late. Never has been, never will be.

[@nickbonnett]

We’ll agree to disagree.

[@Electkamala]

Check the PGA rule.

[@jannejaakkola5836]

If the 7 seconds doesn't matter, then set the time limit to 4 minutes and 53 seconds. I think it's an L take to complain about breaking a rule that is written down and has been enforced in the past. You know what you're getting into when you sign up. I think it makes all the sense in the world to have professionals at the tee as a group well in advance of their tee time. Imagine someone running to the tee at the Masters 15 seconds before they are about to tee off while TV and fans are wondering what's going on. You want to make the sport more professional, then act like it. I'm especially disappointed by Ricky's attitude as a two timer. I'm pretty sure McBeast wont have the same attitude and it shows in everything they do.

[@playdiscgolf1546]

The pdga makes lots of dumb rules, what’s new

[@jamesbanwarth5569]

If you are on a card that tees off at 9:10, you are there at 9:10 when your tee time is, if you are not there by 9:12 because each player has 30 seconds to tee off, then the card moves on and you are penalized, penalty could be an automatic bogey on the first hole, or whatever the PDGA decides, if you are not there by the second hole, you are considered as having dropped out.

[@Flakzor123]

actually a quadruple bogey is the standard penalty when someone doesn't play a hole and in theory you can stack up a bunch of those BUT the TD may dq you.

[@jasondudda490]

The pros with takes like Ricky's are out of touch with the real world. If you punch in for a REAL job seven seconds late, you're gonna face consequences.

[@cspunisher5774]

Sorry, there is NO difference between 7 minutes & 7 seconds! If you're late, YOU'RE LATE! You guys should be trying to build this sport into the best & most credible it can be. In my job, if I'm just on time, I'm late! Be there before you need to be, unless it's an emergency. It's a simple rule, it's disrespectful to the fans & the people working & running the event. Especially more so when a "pro" makes any stink about it.

[@playdiscgolf1546]

It’s not 7 seconds late to the tee time, it’s 7 seconds late to being 5 minutes early….theres a difference in that. Nobody has to wait for you if you’re 7 seconds late. If you’re 7 minutes late, that misses the actual tee time….

[@frizz22100]

I also follow the 59 second grace period. 11AM and 59 seconds is not late... But let that clock switch to 11:01. That is late

[@gregargo1898]

nice

[@adryandiaz]

Yea, this rule is likely meant to be a general rule. Do police hand out jaywalking tickets? Likely only when it can put someone in danger. 7 seconds should not be enforced. Make a sound judgement call you Jaywalking ticketers.

[@moon_lyfe]

7 seconds and penalized!? - that’s what, 75 feet away? They saw him coming and closed the door on bro. 😢IMO - players should be physically present 2 min before allotted tee time at hole 1 tee box. 5 minutes seem like the TDs aren’t prepared

[@alexhickman2945]

This is a bad take. He admitted he broke the rules. He is responsible for being on time.

[@CatchMeOutside361]

Stupid rule. I don’t like it. But rules are rules.

[@eoghana315]

Time based rules are complicated because people have different levels of time preference which is BIOLOGICALLY based.

[@derekmillar8265]

Oh boy. Please tell me you are being sarcastic.

[@zacharywoodford8530]

Just be there on time. I have no respect for people who can't be where they're supposed to be when they're supposed to be there.

[@Ivypoison23]

Right? Like unless you were in an accident or something you can’t control happens. Seems like any decent pro would plan on coming to the course an hour early to warm up and practice

[@zacharywoodford8530]

@@Ivypoison23 it honestly makes the pro league look like a joke that so many pros are upset they need to be on time for their round.

[@derekmillar8265]

Brodie is right and Paul is not. It's not hard to be on time.

[@coreydempsey4660]

1 second late is the same as being 1 hour late. Late is late. Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

[@jcosborn4872]

Sometime close counts on first dates!

[@yesnooo9029]

7 seconds late to something you have to be 5 minutes early for, so he was 4:53 minutes early

[@kendalljamesmusic]

Wah!! Adulting is hard!

[@vJackaRoo]

You’re a fine wooly. Baaaaa

[@matth8311]

Mike Birbiglia said it best- "on time" is not a thing- you're either early, or you're late. It is NOT THAT HARD to show up 10 minutes before your tee time. I hate that Drew wrote that he "fell victim" to the rule, as if it wasn't 100% under his control whether he showed up on time or not. You're not a victim of anything. Show up early or get strokes. It's that simple.

[@clawshooter5867]

Can't be on time when all those vans in the pro parking lot smell like weed. I guess that's why they putt so good with reduced nerves.

[@playdiscgolf1546]

Did you fall victim to reefer madness in the 50s and 60s? Or did DARE smooth your brain out?

[@striker3212]

Uli couldn’t be more wrong. 7 seconds or 7 minutes, a penalty is a penalty. Thats like saying a 6” foot fault is different than someone who take a 2 ft step, is a stroke either way. Rules are rules. Being there 5 minutes early is. Or a big deal, keeps the cards moving and helped to prevent backups. U wanna be called professionals, then be professional.