Diablo 3 Best Crusader Build: Speed and GR 128+ Akkhan Condemn (2.7.7 Season 30 Guide)

[@treepizzle]

Used this build on the switch version, since it was my favorite on pc. Just as good on switch.

[@Teqo7]

As a non-english speaker I enjoy watching your vids cuz you speak so clearly and calmly that I understand everything you say. :)

[@soloplayer3604]

2:48 THAT SPIDER BIG.

[@littlefrank90]

LEGGY BAE IS THICC

[@Kelson01]

I used this last season, with crappy gear i got to grift 90

[@Hopsnbarley]

I played with it at the end on the season , just to see what I wanted to go for this season. I was doing 70's in no time :)

[@Hopsnbarley]

yep

[@stevenfischer9525]

LotsOfGamer none of them do really

[@ONEMANUNITX]

Why the fk would I want to play a build that requires skill and effort? Knob.

[@tomokokirihara3436]

i always die with this build. but i haven't played crusader before for experienced ppl not... but for those who have not much Crusader experience. it takes skill to play

[@ghostfaceBG]

I tried the speed variant of this build. It was great in T13 rifts, but it was terrible for bounties and T13 boss killing. For reference, I was running the Sage variant to farm some more Death's Breaths. I had 1 Primal Ancient, and 2-3 Ancient items. My gear was well optimized with the exclusion of my Critical Damage modifier, which was at only 400% while my crit chance was at 55%. 56% cooldown reduction, 40% holy damage increase from items. Still, with that gear killing t13 bosses such as Malthael was incredibly slow and they could easily 1-shot me due to the fact that there is no gold that you can pick up to boost your toughness with Goldwrap. TLDR: Don't run the speed variant of this build for t13 bounties, it's awful. Amazing for T13 rifts, though.

[@SugarInFurs]

I mean, it's not SUPPOSED to be killing bosses on T13, lol

[@Shazeen82]

Im farming lvl 80 grifts with the speed variant. To augment items.

[@kaeptn]

@@Shazeen82 did you autment strength or vitality?

[@Shazeen82]

@@kaeptn Strenght of course. The character itself tough AF. But i just switched the gems in the armor, and put a nemesis bracers on, and using unity with my follower. I dont care too mutch about deaths breath farming.

[@Mikey___]

Thanks Rhykker, you're the D3 MVP!

[@Vindaven]

Speed Build Suggestion: Leave Leoric's Crown in the cube. Put Akkhan's Addemum in Cube and use Rally rune in your Akarat's Champion. Instead of Steed charge, leave Provoke - Too Scared To Run in. You will have plenty of speed (albeit a bit less), but now you can spam Condemn - Vacuum without ever being Wrath starved... Plus you won't die because Akarat's Champion fell off in a freak incident. Mindless Speed Farm... plus it works great in Split Bounties.

[@barduk4]

the video of the speed build looks incredibly fun

[@Ventus_S]

Can confirm, the speed version dps is way enough for t13 Nephalem/ Bounty, can one shot~ two shot most elites already.

[@tralx5268]

This is my fav build since ever

[@kingyomega5037]

Hey man, just wanted to say thank you for all the work you put in to this content. It really shows, and all the info is valid and up to date. Thanks again brother.

[@mikey7326]

Only four more years until D4 comes out.

[@burns0100]

And I already know what class im gonna play and name im picking. Female Ranged, preferably Bow and named Asa. God help them if they don't have a class like that lol.

[@Itzsfo0]

eh no interest in d4

[@nightmareTomek]

D3 still looks like a freaking light effects spam disco and mindless running around. You think, D4 will be better? I think I rather stay with PoE....

[@cultist123]

nightmareTomek I'm sure farming 300 burial chambers a day has lots of thought behind it.

[@nightmareTomek]

lasha tserediani damn, 300? Don't you have some real life? Besides, in what aspect would 300 nephalem portals be better? or whatever it's called... At least you can craft maps in PoE and the monsters (and bosses) have different buffs each time.

[@popgas3821]

Man I just stumbled upon your channel looking for the best Crusader build and I'm blown by the careful crafting of this video. Instantly subscribed for future stuff. I'm still working for the almost exact replica of this S Tier, #1 build to rule them all. It's really difficult but of course doable. Thanks a lot, best guide content I've watched so far and honestly I'm still missing some crucial points (downloaded the video, lmfao).

[@piotrkrzencesa3081]

That's a great build. Thanks a lot. Have an idea to change it a bit but not sure if I'm correct. Cube ring of Royal grandeur. Thanks to it you can give up not only boots for illusionary boots but also the amulet . Use instead a travelers pledge neck. Thanks to RoRG you get the set bonus which means 50% damage resistance while moving and up to 100% more damage dealt while standing, means while hitting tough elites and rift guardian on high GR. Instead furnace use the weapon from norvald set with all least 4k DMG. Thanks to RoRG you get set bonus. I know this 100% buff to damage while in charge doesn't help since we aren't using thorns but the endurance rune. Thanks to set bonus and 56 CDR we gain basically charge all the time. So we can move way faster from elite to elite. Yes we lose the elite damage from furnace which is Max 50% but we gain 100% damage to all for 5 seconds after charge!!! That would mean more bonus than the one from furnace and 5 seconds is enough to kill elite. Also in This time stacks another bonus from travelers pledge. So basically we get way more buff and to all not only elites. We got damage resistance 50% while moving, we are faster cause using charge. What we need to give up is provoke for charge endurance. And we lose the 200 % buff from CoE , butt this one is only every 5 turns TBH and instead we get both damage buffs from those two sets implemented. Sorry for my English BTW. What are you thinking about?

[@Leezer088]

Thank you very much for the updated info man! The video was very well done.

[@deejronquillo1533]

Thanks for making this videos. Relly helpful to newbie in this game. Looking forward for more videos and tips for the upcoming season 14.

[@cyndrical2164]

I couldn't decide what to play this season. Thanks for helping me decide Rhykker :)

[@TheDrkliter]

Ran similar builds during season 12 and had a blast. using these for SSF Season 13

[@Alanor2584]

That's the perfect video i need for the next season , THANKS !

[@basedesidisi1108]

Hey Rhykker, this is folks.

[@Thomas0661]

Totally stole my line... (I was just too late) :D

[@MrCasquenoir]

This one's getting old...

[@SuperLPGaming]

to mrCasquenoir: oh shit. you think, then we all must think alike. Jesus. Stop trying to be center of mass. THAT is getting boring if something must be getting boring.

[@thehayze]

Rhykker, keep up the great content.

[@apenas.Azevedo]

Ay boy, thanks for your atention on doing your videos. So much good content!

[@Lunathean]

took me 6 hours to get this set up, Level 70, Paragon 392, 321,008,490 Gold, 29 Rifts, 45 Bounties... Didn't do seasonal Journey wasn't a part of this experiment March 21 2019

[@frodofraggins]

i've skipped several seasons but will try out this build starting tonight! :)

[@thorstenpaulinsky3686]

This man is blowing my mind. Excellent.

[@thomaswiik3810]

Thanks for yet another great video! I really enjoy your content a lot! Looking forward to having fun with these builds in S13 :)

[@paullo1846]

Akarat's Champion doesn't need a buff. Akarat's Champion itself is a buff. You don't buff a buff!

[@Azekable]

Hey, i watch alot of your videos, personally i jump in and out of diablo. I start every season and quit after clearing a 90-100+ on 1-3 different characters. This comment is my wish /feedback. So i watched your tier list for Season 15. I wanted to look into the demon hunter(i've played it before, just want to refresh my memory). Then i watch the video you link to in the describtion. When that video is done you tell me to watch a pushing video. (This is good 2 diffrent builds 2 videos) But this video only tells me the changes, so i have to watch the season 12 video with outdated info, then watch the newest video to find out what info was not relevant for me). This took only 15 min more of my time so no worries. Then i though lets check out crusader, and then same thing again. to watch this video jump back to this video... Anyways thanks for the great work you do for Diablo

[@jclc4201]

Love the crusader getting attention!

[@SandDabs]

Just wanna add that if you're having trouble getting to that magic 55% cooldown, you can always slap an Obsidian ring in the cube to keep Akarat's up. It'll get you in the mid 90s while you farm for gear with cooldown rolls.

[@Mythos_Musik]

Thanks for another great video man.

[@petermarcussen]

I really wish that they would buff LON and augment more armor items with skill buffs and effects. Diversity in viable builds is what this game needs.

[@chicomanara]

I do like to see speed variant with the build guide. If possible, do more please!

[@KingSjorn]

Thanks for responding, and I like your vids, btw. I guess my point was that using reforge and enchanting, unless u hit a primal ancient piece, you would almost have to use a mod of some type to select what stats you want on what piece and how high. I dupe mats all the time but try to stay vanilla with item creation and what not. So I guess my question to you is: what do you use to be able to select your own attributes on each piece and there corresponding value? Maybe that's the part I'm not getting. I rerolled some pieces into infinity (it seemed like) and couldn't even come close. And augmenting ancients in the cube is just for the primary stat. Maybe I'm missing something?

[@ichiwo1526]

A couple of questions. 1) For the speed run variant. You say we can equip the blade of prophecy to have the in-geom in cube. I have a primal in-geom, can I rather equip that and keep the blade of prophecy in the cube. And then change out Heavenly strength passive for something else? 2) I don't know if you saw my comment in another video of yours but I'll repeat the question just in case. Any progress on the next installment of the Diablo Lore? 3) Do you know of a list that shows all possible legends that can be "upgraded" from Kanai's cube for each hero? For example. For the Demon hunter if you upgrade 1 Handed Dagger you only get 2 possibilities i.e Karlei's point and Lord Greenstone's fan. But is there a list that shows you all possible legendary rolls for all items for all heroes? Thank you, keep up the videos =o)

[@mydeskisfull]

Hey rhykker! Great job in the video. I've been trying to score that frydehrs wrath and blade of prophecy. Would you have a recommendation? Torment, method...thanks!

[@joepope6928]

Any way you could make a video showing how to play each build guide you make? Like when you want to use each skill and the order you use them in jut a step by step how and when skills are to be used. Thanks!

[@xXx-vk2uq]

I've been waiting for another build that uses the furnace for a long time and now this Crusader build does

[@renewijnen9442]

Hello Rhykker, I look at the gear you use and their stats and trying to get those also. My problem is, I have a major hearing issue and there is no subtitling present and I think your words will explain a lot which could be helpfull ahummm. Are you able to ' create' such? Never met someone with that kind of questions? Sorry for my bad english grammar. Best Regards.

[@bertschumacher2097]

A Primal Ancient Furnace just dropped for me, so im going to get this build!

[@miodragnedic378]

Great help! Thanks man! :)

[@treepizzle]

This is my favorite build in the game. Played a bunch. It’s fun, super fast for t13 (one of it not THE fastest), and can push greater rifts. Fun fun fun

[@iiKrafty]

For the speed variant, I recommend using the Swiftmount instead of the In-geom in youre cube so you can have Steed Charge up all the time

[@Ventus_S]

Kind of have to agree. In-geom lasts too short to be considered reliable source of mobility. It probably works in Nephalem Rift, but in bounty , the number of elites are not enough.

[@mikydrambejz5303]

@@Ventus_S its mainly for Akarats Champion cd. I have that build this season pretty well ballanced but still lack some CDR so with in-geom i basicaly need to kill atleast one rare pack to get full uptime of AChamp. Steed Charge isnt much problem those two seconds if you wont meet any rare pack im filling with law

[@Vladutz.19]

Ey Rhykker. Will you ever do a video guide on the Demon Hunter N6/M4? Thank you.

[@MatanEldan]

++

[@auragula]

hes only doing the best build for each hero. multishot ue build is superior atm

[@Chewy427]

Very in depth ty

[@min_nari]

excellent guide ill go crusader next season

[@metalheaded666]

Now you're making it difficult for me to choose which class i'll play next season. I'm thinking either crusader or DH

[@flix6561]

If you want to push as far as possible go with the sader BUT for fun and versatility, DH for sure as pretty much everything's good and viable. The DH is really easy to gear for as well you can swap out stuff for shits and giggles.

[@metalheaded666]

Yeah i know, i've always been more of the DH kinda player and impale is easy to gear for, but with crusader i've only really played hammerdin and i'm getting tired of that and might want to go into thorns/akhan and then either condemn or cpt murica (whatever comes first and plays most fun for me). I'm not really for the highest GR pushing, just most fun

[@Jinzouningen17]

demon hunter too weak meh, new judgement has to be based on which classes can solo GR100 without caldesann - Crus/Necro. :"|

[@metalheaded666]

Jinzouningen Juunanagou but I don't pick a build with gr 100+ pushing or anything near meta group runs. For me it's all about the fun of playing, not bashing my head against high gr

[@metalheaded666]

Guide Gaming I never asked any opinion on which build is better for what. I said that with this new video he's making out difficult to decide what to play cause this build seems fun as well.

[@nutred7833]

Good video, thanks for the help :D

[@lorenzosaez2688]

8:53 speed variant (note for my self)

[@apogeus2]

8:52 - speed build

[@10ccdd]

Ryyker great channel! Question, the attributes page on the right on the D3 planner... should we be using that as a guide or is it the best way to go? Thanks again! Clay

[@zazanka784]

Hey Rhykker, on the D3planner for the grift pushing the cdr is only at 51%, this doesn't give you that 100% uptime for Akarat's Champion. What went wrong in the planner? o:

[@axelandur123]

This is so sick for me, i got a primal furnace earlier this week on my barbarian

[@GM-122]

on the speed build you could also put mr yans pants in the cube and swap back and forth between nemesis and warzechian if you dont have good ancient gear

[@52weekproject]

Hey Rhykker! So what does the description for the blade of prophecy actually mean? The condemn can trigger twice?

[@knebell]

Best Diablo guide !

[@brobrah4595]

Be cool to see a shadow demon hunter for new season

[@Supradrew]

I’ve been playing the normal build for the last week. I like it but I still plan on doing the Wave of Light Monk for the start of season 13. I may do the Crusader later in the season. We’ll see.

[@JohnClarkW]

When I tried this last season, I found that I just randomly died, and I could never really get past that. I am assuming that I just needed more CDR. If you can't keep uptime on the defensive skills, this build gets very squishy. I switched to Invoker with just the gear I had sitting around and completely crushed the season journey stuff.

[@Alarey024]

You need 56% cdr for perma akarats champion or forget about it

[@TheBobwinner]

For season 13, I'll be playing... Wolcen !

[@irushiro2119]

gets boring as well, and it crashes way to often

[@07sickside]

I will buy it during of after the summer for sure, doesn't mean i wont attend seasons though :)

[@notskrub7013]

Wolcen is definately worth it, it is short now but there is still stuff to do, like speed kill grozogr, farm gear to get insane stats/damage/health, it's awesome!! It does crash though, but its in alpha so it's expected

[@Rawxpphey]

dude that shit is boring af u can beat it in like 2 hours then mindlessly grind forever from the lack of updates

[@KingMeeqs]

Sounds like D3 lmao

[@luispedro4045]

Best build I had. Finished the season with around 1100 paragon points, and doing solo 102 grifts, no primevo, and not all ancient legendary items.

[@glasshalfempty1984]

I also think (although I'm not sure about this) avarice band is the best ring for the speed farming variant. That gold is what keeps you from dying and there absolutely is such a thing as overkill. In other words, say there's 1,000,000 gold on the ground, but you only need 500,000 to become virtually invulnerable. Well....Avarice doesn't care, it sucks it all up. But if you just use a pet, it'll pick it up slower, but still plenty fast. I haven't experimented with it yet, but I'm going to try changing my speed farming set back to focus/restraint with a pet and see how quickly I die (or if I don't).

[@alduwolf4072]

Hello Rhykker. I want to ask you something. What does the speed variant stands for? Faster greater rifts or faster bounties? Thank you if you take the time and read this.

[@joshua7426]

I actually switched out provoke with stead for mobility since with my current cdr I practically always have valor up and wrath isn't an issue. I also switched the leggo gems a little and also swapped rings with hellfire and obsidian and currently pushing low 80s with 3 ancients. T13s though mobs can't even hurt me so farming Dbs is easy, hardest part is remember to to click them

[@kaliek5281]

Hey, Rhyyker...the links to the D3planner don't appear to be working anymore. It shows just a blank character now.

[@ajbrost]

Hey Rhykker, any adaptation recommendations for playing on hardcore mode?

[@reissmetal]

What are your thoughts on using Punish as your generator and then using Angel Hair Braid for your belt? In theory it kinda sounds good to me....

[@GraczT-li1cj]

Rhykker Mistrz :)

[@TheBawst]

around 8:50 you say its very important to get around 800% on that secondary proprety.. i dont get wich one youre talking bout.. sorry my english isnt the best.. anyone ?

[@TheBawst]

lol nvm... special proprety of the shield... got primo so i guess its k

[@AndyG3173]

Is your speedfarming variant more efficient than DeadSets? And is yours still viable for season 14?

[@LukasCC-]

On the video for the Roland set, I couldn’t help but notice you didn’t have a generator for wrath. What I did was equipped the omnislash in the cube and tied it with carve, as well as shield cross for maximum amount of enemies hit. Would that be wrong?

[@LukasCC-]

Also wouldn’t the Akkhan’s Addendum be a good weapon to have in the cube? Since you get both Embodiment of Power and the Power rune?

[@mikes8549]

this is the first time I built this sader and have enough stats, gear ect to farm 107 GR but cant manage to clear a solo 103 GR. I don't know what Im doing wrong and someone suggested my game play is wrong, it would be nice to see you to do a video, as others have on this build how to play this toon.

[@TheMrBreias]

Rhykker dear, please do make a monk guide for T13 if possible, if not I will enjoy your famous tier list though!

[@philstullwildlifephotoadve6113]

What is that proc that keeps blowing up? I followed your build I would imagine it's something from the armor or weapon?

[@LOR3LYA]

I noticed on the video you have Slash/guard, but on the d3 planner link for best gear and skills, it has justice/sword of justice. Just want to make sure, which is the one I should be using for the non speed version of the build?

[@LOR3LYA]

No I was referring to this link www.d3planner.com/652102142, the best gear and skills. It is the non speed run version, however it has justice being used.

[@LOR3LYA]

ah nvm, I just rewatched the video and he mentioned using justice if you're looking for a full glass cannon type build.

[@airmanon7213]

Dang, who's going to come out on top this season? Crusader? Necromancer? Or will another class be the dark horse?

[@DapperDan1983]

Question: if I have a primal ancient Leorics crown, would suggest using the boots over the helm for the Ak set?

[@coreoncrack]

Dear Rhykkerrrrrr :-) What is the best follower for this build and his/hers skill setup, and maybe even gear suggestion?

[@stiimuli]

How the hell do you get that Freydehr's Wrath? I've spent over 30k blood shards at Kadala and have gotten multiples of every other shield but that one won't drop =(

[@speyz]

get yellow crusader shield and make them to legendary in the cube

[@stiimuli]

Actually just did that last night =P

[@xh0rsex]

I've had like at least 6 of them. The Furnace was what I had trouble with, and akkhan talisman.

[@GrompereKichelcher]

I bought 3-4 shields and got a ferpdepr wrath, not a gooodone but well, i'tsd ancient ^^ just it has wrath/sec regen and bombardment dmg RCR and strg I cna live with ^^. randomness and rngesus, Rhykker and brevik once said in a video :D I?m jusrt eealizinh how lucky I got with thatshield, just 1-2 hours of hitting 70 on sader and spending bloodshards, that was early when I spend them sporadely, my payback check, I spend the rest oy my tank +/- 1000 ion the sader and havent' got much usefull stuff of any kind. I think it's better you spend bloodshardso n higher diffculty, Kadala guves better stuff then, although I got my anceitn ferpderp on TI, I got 0 gearo n my sader, no set etc., he's my seocnd char for season 13

[@GrompereKichelcher]

@ Christoffer -gotta work with what yah got, without that shield you canot evne start playing condemn sader, it's mandatory to open the playstyle. :D ther'es easier to get gear to get the "needed" stats for a start and gmble or work on better - best ferpderp shield later, well tha'ts hwo i gona do it. I levled as hammerdin :D

[@primozlekse1466]

im new to diablo so this might be a stupidd question, but does this build apply to season 14 as well, or can you not do this build anymore?

[@blamma]

Can you get primal ancient gauntlets? I swear I've rolled my akkhan gauntlets 200 times not exaggerating.

[@backpackly]

That would give you about a 25% chance of primal. Primal is 1/400 on average. Even then it'll likely have shit stats so better of with a well rolled ancient w/ augs.

[@TheMiig1513]

In my experience it's more like 1 every (very roughly) 250 legs. If you have rolled it 200 times, it should come soon. What you can do to not waste mats is: fill a tab or 2 with bounty caches, open them, if NONE of the items from the caches were primal, reroll your desired item after. The caches should give you about about 200 legs, making the primal just around the corner.

[@Ilestun]

Completed GR98 with lvl 95 gems and P900 this season. No augments at all. Since I don't play meta this season (Sader and DH), it's great to have a good solo pusher build to up my gems. I can "speed" GR90 (in about 5 minutes, great way to solo farm). With augments I'm confident on completing GR100.

[@kizzmiazzz]

would you mind to share your profile?

[@Glostahdude]

Do set plans drop for this set or is it only acquireable one piece at a time? I’ve gotten 2 pieces as random drops but no set plans. Just wondering.... only been playing a couple weeks and my crusader is at paragon lvl 150 and I’m on GR16 at moment...

[@Narabedla4]

i love condemn and I got REEEAAAALLLY lucky last season, with my first BOP being primal, perfect rolls. (started with barbarian) sadly because of that i can´t start over and see it without that :D

[@kyo3124]

Hey Rhykker, this is folks!

[@WhiteXWaffle]

would akkhans addendum be a good replacement for the furnace?

[@AndeusM]

Where's the Hardcore version? Do I go for Traveller's + CoE? Focus+Restraint + Hellfire Amulet to get Indestructible with all 4 passives? What changes from softcore?

[@vormarsch]

"Hold Your Ground" passive w/ a 31% primeval ancient Block Chance shield and a Justice Lant beats "Holy Cause" or "Long Arm of the Lol" by miles! Your "Holy Cause" is doing crap on the RG fight I don't see much LoH either btw Personally perfer "Reciprocate" (Fire rune) on Condemn. The Cindercoat and Akkhan Leniency 2H Flail (Akarat Champ +10 Wrath recovery) in cube for plenty Wrath recovery and the Aquilla Cuirass cubed (can AFK and Wrath keepin maxed with Condemn running on auto). Also no need to dodge so many mobs due to high Block chance, Justice Lantern, Esoteric and Aquillas (need Physical Resist 2ndary on all items that don't have room for Resist All). Other ring is Stone of Jord (or Zodiac if need to get more DR) My 2cents after playing Season 13 Crusader /thumps up !

[@Ventus_S]

But the leaderboard says otherwise.. Hmmm

[@Kumoii]

For leveling a Crusader, what would you spend the Bloodshards on once you do the Challenge Rift for the week? If you have a video, point me too it. If not I'd like to know :D Gonna start with a Sader this season & go this build. But wanna know what I should spend my Bloodshards on at level 1

[@klicke88]

Hi, the d3planner link doesn't show the build it's just going in and showing a fresh page. :/

[@LowellThePanda]

Wouldn't it make more sense to use ingeom in hand? You get the cdr from the fervor passive and no dmg reduction.

[@jeef96440506]

I'm thinking it's possible to replace The Furnace with Akkhan's Addendum and String of Ears with The Witching Hour to have a similar result, what do you guys think?

[@MysteriousMadnessOfficial]

You forgot to cover why we need the Heavenly Strength-passive. :)

[@Silmarieni1]

Which class would you recommend for beginning the season 13 ?

[@Fexioo]

How do you maintain your wrath? I’ve been able to do a gr85 so far but constantly running out of wrath.

[@Boomrups]

Stop spamming condemn :D And try to Provoke as much enemies as possible.

[@khld05]

could you please provide a d3planner link to this build?

[@Ellesenar]

Does ring of zodiac together with condemn work on cd of other skills ?

[@RealSteveStevenson]

Different version version without waiting on rotation is rorg, bop, and illusory boots in cube, same cube stuff otherwise, use 2 piece aguilds (bracers and shoulders), 2 piece captain crimson's (belt and pants), 5 piece akkhans, F/R rings, furnace and frydehr's wrath. Bane of trapped, stricken, and esoteric gems. This setup will make you tankier, and it will outclass the damage from strongarms by a mile, the only loss of dps is rotation dps from CoE.

[@TheDe3th]

Is there a LON condemn build you recommend for 2.6.5?

[@Kelson01]

Nice!

[@januscoetzee3082]

How would you spend paragon points once you start earning them?

[@ASymbolicSymbol]

This is pretty much the build I used way back in season 1 when that condemned shield was first introduced and when there were season exclusive legendaries(Remeber those?) Good times. Don't think I had a more funnier time with a diablo 3 build since CM Wizards way back in the mystical vanalia days.