Diamond DA50 RG - Cost to Own

[@Glegh]

I cant even afford a used saab with 337k miles

[@Aviioniic]

No wonder, i can't afford a gripen fighter jet either

[@notfunny3397]

For some reason I wa thinking of the Saab jets

[@TheSpecial4247]

It's nice to dream tho 😊

[@Dont_Think_Do_Films]

That’s like 100 hours tt

[@mpmcruz]

Me neither; aprox. 1 milions

[@nathanlindley]

I always laugh out loud at least twice in your videos! Such an excellent blend of quality humor sprinkled in with quality content.

[@spisarik08]

Totally agree. The more and more personal flair he’s shoving in these otherwise factual reviews is pure gold 😅

[@PetesGuide]

Please don’t ever stop with the pithy tone of your videos; it’s just so awesome.

[@lars808]

T-Hangers are very rare here in the EU. We have Hangers with a giant disc in the center that can rotate and can park high- and low-wing aircraft alternately. It saves a lot of space! The drawback is that we dont get a personal space i guess

[@antoniog9814]

That seems to be a really cool hangar design.

[@CompleteWalkaround]

Agreed. Thanks for sharing

[@camspring]

No personal space in the EU, you don't say 😬

[@ASW20kutscher]

Germany is the size of Montana, but has 84 million people instead of 1.8. What is personal space?

[@flomoose7315]

Agree, these do exist. HOWEVER, many of the hangars are T-Hangers. Personally, I wouldn’t like to put my plans on these discs, unless absolutely necessary. I don’t like dents in my brand new 1.5 million DA50🤪😅😅

[@northernandyboy]

The comment about debating engineering with someone with that accent was hilarious. Diesels usually don’t get overhauled so it’s TBR. They can maybe salvage the case if I remember correctly. The wing length is a real mystery - shorter wings go faster but probably have a big impact on stall speed and handling characteristics.

[@joshish9884]

"I'm not gonna debate engineering with someone with that accent" 😂😂😂

[@Eva-cs5le]

Im in the UK and have yet to see a T hangar. I have deliberated as to why this is and some might say that its because there are fewer planes, rarely have extreme weather, less space, horizontal drizzle blah blah. However, my belief is that as a nation that we take enormous pleasure in moaning about everything, thus having the opportunity to move 5-6 aircraft of varying weights and sizes to get your trusty flying machine from the back, then shoe horn it back in at the end of the day, gives us the perfect opportunity to moan. Glorious.

[@CompleteWalkaround]

That’s insightful! 😅

[@kensummers7757]

Come to Lasham. We have two. Each holding a dozen gliders. You need to get out more, love.

[@lucasbrien5008]

As someone who has cruised in an unpressurized piston single at 20,000 feet, there is some weather which can be avoided just slightly higher. Also higher is more badass. That was in a 1980 Mooney btw, DA50 RG service ceiling is somewhat disappointing.

[@fdtank81]

Love it I’d add that the SR22 is high performance and has a higher stall speed. DA50 glides down at a much slower rate than a SR22 even with parachute deployed

[@Brimstin]

I'd rather be under a parachute canopy at basically zero forward airspeed than to try to keep it in a stall and hit the ground (or trees) at 58 knots (~67mph). It's even more when you take the vertical speed component into account. No thanks.

[@MickeLang]

So you rather be under a parachute on your way into the power lines than deciding where to land? interesting@@Brimstin

[@Brimstin]

That's extremely unlikely, @@MickeLang, Diamond Employee. (Be careful not to let your bias cloud your judgement!) Out of the recorded SR22 parachute events, how many have drifted into power lines while under canopy? If you're that worried about extreme corner cases, you probably don't have any business flying... let alone walking outside your front door each day. Risks are everywhere. It's about assessing the likelihood of risks and having the right tools and strategies to minimize their impact. So yes, I would much rather be under canopy-especially at night, in IMC, or in mountainous terrain-than to crash land at 67mph.

[@iiddrrii6051]

@@MickeLang While one can argue all the facets of an accident, Cirrus has claimed that everyone has survived every CAPS deployment that was within the envelope.

[@DSwan777]

My understand is that the $150,000 engine needs to be replaced at 2000 hours. So your engine reserve would be $75/hr in round numbers.

[@julianizydorczak5258]

In Poland most hangars fit a 18m gliders and often an AN2

[@Vanya80151]

While it is true that flying at over 20k feet is not a huge benefit in unpressurized airplanes, I am based in Rocky Mountains area and being able to pop up to 25k (or even 22-23k) for a short period of time to clear the weather is handy. And when you fly over some really tall rocks reaching up above 14k, cruising at 19-20k (depending if you are headed East or West) you still get bounced around a fair bit.

[@duanepauls]

Nice video. I noticed an error though. The cost per hour at 200 hours per year seems to represent the fixed costs only. I believe it should be $329 vs. the $195 currently shown.

[@CompleteWalkaround]

Good catch. 😣

[@technopc2953]

Hey. From Europe here (Belgium). From all the airfields I went (until now), no T hangars here

[@vernonasian]

I was ded with the "not gonna argue with someone with that accent" LOL

[@tds456]

The CD300 engine is actually a TBR not TBO which is why there is no real world overhaul figures on it.

[@CompleteWalkaround]

Good catch. Oops 😖

[@memelord6201]

for the most part in europe and here in the uk you either have the capital to rent or by your own full size hanger (if you the ask the MOD (uk DOD) nicely you and some friends can purchase a full size cold war hanger) or if you done have milions spare you buy a plane cover and store it outsize. tho with a dimond its probaly the former

[@eMMjunaYschion]

On this side of the pond we usually have big ass Hangars and therefore you don't get to have your own man cave (or woman cave, but we shouldn't say that). So you cram all the airplanes together on the same floor, make sure they're not smashing each others navlights and then you shut the door. If the Hangar is high enough, you may also hang your expensive aircraft from the ceiling, almost doubling available space. So you see, depending on what is stored there already, a DA50 might not be a big deal to put in. But yeah, I'd also prefer a T-Hangar, thanks.

[@maxvideodrome4215]

Rather have the DA50RG over the Cirrus

[@gabrielmarques5484]

As always an amazing video. Unfortunately I don't have money to afford not even a piper cub but if I had i would probably still buying a DA50, because i'm dumb? yeah also, but also because I like diamond aircraft, the design fascinates me😅 I'm not here to be smart, I'm here because I like it lol😂

[@coasternut3091]

This or the DA62 are the planes I'd like to own once I'm a captain

[@PaulSveda]

"Hugh Jass Wings"? fantastic. I'll need to have Hugh-Jass-Ackman money to even contemplate this bird. Great video as always. Thanks for the laughs.

[@Firewolf_Daimyo]

Hey man I love your videos! Do you reckon you could do one on the lanceair evolution planes? Would be really interesting to see how they stack up with each other and the competition

[@CompleteWalkaround]

Thanks, Yup

[@ascherlafayette8572]

The long wings probably make the handling and stall characteristics better than the cirrus

[@gamercat9519]

There are no t-hangers in eu btw

[@CS-qy4qy]

This video was great. Can you make a video about the DG-808B?

[@johnrottler4000]

Do a video on the cost of ownership of a Boeing 747 Business Jet

[@jonathanventigan790]

Great video as always. Helicopters may not be your thing but ever considered doing a video on the Mosquito?

[@CompleteWalkaround]

I have. I even have 2 or 3 drawn. One day

[@william_ochieng]

40 foot hangers are not a thing here and I wish they were. Additionally, general aviation in the USA and Canada is more laid back while here its somewhat more controlled (boring). E.g I was surprised to learn that in USA "flight following" is just "flight following" while here we've got a complicated version of it. If you know you know 😂. Then you guys have better access to AVGAS, cheaper landing fees, many mechanics, cheaper airplane parts and friendly ATC who sometime mess around. In short, for us aviation is not quite as open as it is in the west and I really hope that someday it will be.

[@morisnakus6108]

The main cost for all of these diamonds and similar priced flying boxes are capital cost and not the fuel or overhauls, so I stick to my paraglider (with a parashute) and co-shared ultralight (with a parashute as well).

[@camspring]

"He died doing what he loved."

[@bodey6173]

Will you do a video on the clubcrafters planes

[@CompleteWalkaround]

Yup

[@dariusnastac]

Love your content !Can you do a video on the da20 katana (rotax 912s version).🛩️

[@CompleteWalkaround]

Thanks, Yup

[@pascalwyss2515]

Can you do a Diamond DV20 / DA20 Katana Video please?

[@Etli]

Thank you for the video. Definitely a dream plane of mine.

[@HyroAUS]

good as video as per usual, now hear me out Aeronca 7AC champ

[@nitroscout8119]

I got you. Insurance $1500, hangar $4000, annual $500. Fuel $28, maintenance $5, reserve $10.

[@HyroAUS]

@@nitroscout8119 i rent one irl and that helps heaps cheers! would still like a full video tho

[@aaronmaynard42]

Absolutely beautiful aircraft and interiors

[@R.J._Lewis]

I'm not a pilot and I ca't afford a new car, much less a new airplane. But I REALLY was interested in the running and operating cost for this airplane.

[@camspring]

"So you want to..." Actually, yes; and I'm surprised that you didn't mention the lack of TC certification...

[@thephotoyak]

I live an hour outside of Edmonton and there are no T hangers. I assume that's a close to the city/southern Ontario thing in Canada.

[@TheOwenMajor]

Yeah, you mostly see them where there are a lot of GA pilots, but not alot of space available. Out in the countryside, you might as well build your own hanger, the land is cheap and available, and you don't need to coordinate with anyone. If you look at a larger GA airport like Springbank by Calgary, you'll see tons of T-hangers.

[@FiveTwoSevenTHR]

I don't care, the DA50 is the best looking GA plane on the market today in my eyes.

[@cellokid5104]

I'm a pilot flying in Austria and in all my time flying here, I've never never seen a T-hangar

[@g.zoltan]

Never seen a T hangar here. The ones I know are massive shared hangars.

[@excellenceinanimation960]

I wish there were more engines out there like it!

[@johnschnettler8747]

I would really enjoy a video on jet A fueled GA planes. :)

[@CascadiaAviation]

The longer the wing, the cooler the pilot 😎

[@camspring]

*The spinnier the wing

[@Connor-kd9de]

Such a beautiful plane!

[@340Captain]

It's the first time I saw your channel. I love your comments....very funny. But honestly, the DA50 RG is in any aspect the better plane (if you can afford it). Security rates are much higher compared to the Cirrus. So you don't need a ballistic Parachute. By the way, this gives you a wrong feeling of security. And in fact, it's weird if a company sells a plane together with a parachute! So they don't trust their own products?? The only disadvantage of the DA50 RG is the range. For that price, you should expect the same range as the DA40 NG. The wing is so huge, it should carry 20-25 gal more fuel than the DA40 NG. In fact, it carries only 11 gal more fuel. And last but not least the ridiculous MTOM of 1999 kg. With this engine, they cold boost the MTOM to about 2200 kgs at least. Hope they will work on the next generation of DA50's with some improvements.

[@CompleteWalkaround]

Ok I'm curious, In what way are DA50 'security rates' better than SR22. The 2 primary differences between these planes, imo, each favor the cirrus. Please indulge me. Thanks for watching

[@340Captain]

@@CompleteWalkaround Engine Inflight Shut Down rates are about 30% less if compared to the Sr22's. Probably the reasons are liquid cooled versus air cooled and the more failsafe design of the Single Lever Operation of the Austro Engine.

[@CompleteWalkaround]

@@340Captain Thanks for replying and watching my videos. A few things about this one. DA50 doesn't have an Austro Engine, it has a Continental. Overall the Continental diesel engines have good track records for in-flight shut downs, but the smallest have the best record and they get worse as you get bigger. CD300 is by far the largest and newest with the least time. So the jury is still out on it's safety record IMO. The DA50's Continental CD300 and the SR22's Continental IO-550 are both air cooled. CD300 has a reduction gearbox, IO550 does not. Single lever power in CD300 is nice. SR22 does have 2 (no propeller, but does have mixture). For the parachute, I'm happy flying a plane without one but the fact of the matter is they do work. No matter how wonderful a plane is spatial disorientation happens sometimes. Thanks again for watching.

[@340Captain]

@@CompleteWalkaround Yes, you’re right. It is a Continental Engine not an Austro engine. But it is definitely liquid cooled with twin turbochargers and like the Austro ones FADEC controlled with 2 channels. It is comparatively new and yes it has to prove the reliability in comparison to the Austro engines. But definitely better than the “stone aged” air cooled engines. Despite of this and the good looking, I don’t think that the DA50 won’t become a huge success as long as you don’t get a better range and a higher MTOM when paying 1.4 million bucks.

[@classicraceruk1337]

Let’s make it clear retractable gear is more complex and a lot more expensive to maintain. This goes with the props to.

[@unripetomato4312]

read me an audio book please your voice is so soft

[@chriskroeker1889]

Awesome video. SuperXimango next!

[@kristus20]

Why are so many people fan of diesel engines in aircraft? their reduced fuel consumption doesn’t compensate their acquisition and maintenance costs, the continental ones can’t be overhauled, they’re heavier and less powerfull than their avgas counterparts, and there are far fewer mechanics who can service them. about the only benefit as far as I can see is the fact jet A is more widely available. (For reference, I’m a European (Belgium)). I would never voluntarily buy a Diesel. As long as it’s available, AVGAS is king! 👑 So can anyone who’s well informed plz tell me why diamond is building diesels, and why some people would prefer to buy those instead of a good old Lycoming, Conti, etc?

[@FamilyManMoving]

"As long as it's available..." You answered your own question. I a world where gubbermint authorities like to regulate every detail, and ban every thing, many of us assume that "they" will come for AVGAS with or without lead, simply because Jet-A is more "efficient". If that sounds crazy, try talking to California about gas engines in cars. Logic does not apply when it comes to politicians.

[@kristus20]

@@FamilyManMoving It’s not ever going to happen, they have been working on unleaded fuel, sure, they might ban the sale of 100LL yeah sure, but only if and when a drop in certified replacement is available in similar quantities as 100LL is now. There are to many planes out there, and they surely are not gonna ground the far out majority of all GA planes in the world. As for more efficient: Jet A actually has a lower energy density than AVGAS although it contains more energy for a given volume because it’s denser, but that also makes it heavier. The diesel engines are supposed to be more efficient and yes in terms of fuel consumption they are, but there is cost, a diesel has a lower power to weight ratio. For the same weight, an AVGAS burning engine is more powerful, equally true: for the same power, an AVGAS burning engine is a lot lighter.

[@redacted5052]

Can’t wait for some carrier style folding wings on a Cessna 😂

[@Eyedbythetiger]

You are legit funny. Great video.

[@flytoinspire]

I'm from Europe (UK). From most airfields I've seen. No, "T" hangars aren't really a thing over here.

[@justahappyfellow]

Would love to know what a beriev BE-103 costs.

[@CL-bx2bc]

Kodiak Quest next please!

[@pietrooliani3251]

in europe if T-hangars even exist i'd say they are very rare

[@thephotoyak]

Odd that densely populated Europe would have less efficient boxy hangers.

[@pietrooliani3251]

@@thephotoyak there simply isn't the demand here, unlike in the us very few people actually own a plane, the vast majority of ga planes in the air are from flight school/clubs wich have theyre own big hangar in wich they store all of them, people that do own a planes store it along the school ones

[@renardinosrenard9581]

What a great aircraft ❤

[@trustyaeronaut]

How fast is it with those retractable gear!?!

[@Redchrome1]

Any and all speed mods add 10kts each. It's a regulation in the Hangar Flying Handbook.

[@vividparadox1363]

I want a luxury single engine but I wanna pay more, go slower, and struggle to find a hangar. Welcome to Diamond.

[@pietrooliani3251]

the hangar is a us problem, in europe t-hangars don't exists

[@buttonmonkey6845]

“ Hugh Jass” 😂😂. No T hangars in the UK that I can think of. A lot of airfields are just that, fields with a grass strip and some agricultural style buildings. There are quite a few that are ex-military and have the massive hangars on. We just spend most of our time shuffling planes around then complaining about doing it 🤣👋🇬🇧

[@prep0wer]

Is cockpit visibility an important parameter?

[@pietrooliani3251]

both are preatty good

[@prep0wer]

@@pietrooliani3251 flying upside down

[@excellenceinanimation960]

Can you do super cub?

[@mwp1088]

Liquid cooler with a gear box sounds like a maintenance and reliability nightmare, love the video as always!

[@excellenceinanimation960]

Can you do a sea Ray?

[@ShuRugal]

If I had to buy a brand new plane, it would probably be a DA-50 RG.

[@jasonmcgloin8397]

Who will be the first to combine a jet burning piston engine with a brs system? Will GAs collective heads explode?

[@leftcoaster67]

If I ever get a Diamond and a pilots licence, I'll call it Lucy. So it's Lucy in the Sky with Diamond.

[@sdsorrentino]

On the plus side, if you put the DA50 into a spin you don't have to replace the aircraft when you recover normally rather than pop the chute and end up on the news.

[@YaroslavNechaev]

Most spins are departure stalls (often engine failure-induced!) or base-to-final turn stalls. If you spin at that altitude - no recovery procedure will help you. The parachute (with the appropriate training) just might. Besides, no one cares about saving the airplane, once the turd hits the fan it's owned by the insurance company. The prime directive is to save people.

[@jhk8513]

So if you fly a diamond 50 can you say you're a jet pilot ??? 😏

[@johnausten839]

Oh Diamond Da50 I love you 😍 my dream.

[@Johandyman]

Hmm i wonder hos this compares to the wonderful CH77 helicopter...

[@tcdnbm]

Buying the da50 isn’t all plane sailing

[@bensoltau7969]

Personally never seen a T-Hangar in Germany

[@melgelderman]

Can someone explain to me why a hangar in the US costs 20K? In the UK at most you'll pay 500 GBP per month.

[@alphaadhito]

I think it because it can't fit inside a standard T hangar (which usually can only fit a maximum of 40ft of wingspan) so a bigger more expensive hangar is needed. A T hangar usually cost $300 to $500 here, more if you choose air conditioned one.

[@CompleteWalkaround]

Yes, once you get out of t-hangars (in north America) you get into big boy hangars and the cost is extravagant and varies widely. 20k is annually and an average from a very wide array. This video explains where my numbers come from kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3e4datqnLWmhKM

[@Vanya80151]

It's probably less than that. I would say a shared hangar space for this airplane in mid-priced areas is around $1k per month. My 40-foot t-hangar is $700 per month, and that is on a hight end. It just really depends on how lucky you get and where you are.

[@shiroyukiwang1252]

I couldn’t imagine someone giving up the safety of having two engine, and decide to go for a da50. After all the purchase price is almost identical and da62 carry more and fly faster… Also AE330 is a proven engine at this point why risk your money on a CD300?

[@YaroslavNechaev]

I think it was originally supposed to be way cheaper but then inflation, shortages and huge demand on everything induced by near 0% loan rates skyrocketed the price. I think we should just let Diamond to churn through the wealthy buyers first and allow them to adjust the price for realistic market conditions. Maybe they'll also come up with some more powerful AE engine for it as well.

[@shiroyukiwang1252]

@@YaroslavNechaev if the price is set half way between da40 and da42, it would be more reasonable. For the same price as da62 it is just a big no no. The worse thing here is, it is also a less capable plane than the sr22t. More expensive, slower, unproven engine, and cd300 isn't that much more efficient than the tsio550. Unlike the AE300 which burns siginificantly less gas than IO360, the extra complexity of the cd300 didn't bring enough benefit to justify it.

[@YaroslavNechaev]

@@shiroyukiwang1252 well, to be fair TSIO-550 is also quite a maintenance nightmare. I'll stick to my 4-cylinder SR20. I've been in DA50/DA62 cabin, though. It's much roomier than Cirrus, especially for the second row passengers. I'd say if we could buy it for $900k (the price of base SR22T or highly-optioned SR22) it would have been competitive. As it stands I would rather buy DA62 if I'm in Europe or an SR22T if I'm in the US.

[@shiroyukiwang1252]

@@YaroslavNechaev the weaknesses of tsio550 is pretty well knows and there’s a lot of shop that can overhaul/repair it. For CD300 most mechanic have zero experience working on it and have no idea what could go wrong. Also it is possible some day continental could drop the product line and you’re stucked with thielert V2.0 situation.

[@oldsnwbrdr]

Agree. I don’t understand the appeal of the DA50 with its max range of 750nm at economy cruise. Why bother with retractable gear?

[@yurimig253]

Imagine if you could just swap the wings for a jet like and install forward conards. This thing could gain a few knot's for sure

[@phantomphoenix9539]

Yes the accent is what makes that man credible. Nothing else 🤣🤣🤣

[@NicksStuff]

The fixed costs are bonkers!

[@JamesSakdithat]

pipistrel virus 912 SW please

[@sadbucket]

da50 is faster isn't it??

[@Maniac742]

You think a 44 feet is wide? My Duo Discus wings are 66 feet wide, and I ain't leaving her outside.

[@CompleteWalkaround]

Wings don't pop off a da50

[@Maniac742]

@@CompleteWalkaround Sure they do, but not conveniently. They don't really come off the Duo easily either. It's parked in a hanger with a 70 foot door.

[@tonysimi5763]

The Cirrus wins hands down!

[@witix_]

kewl

[@galactictomato1434]

44 foot wing and yet they can only get 49 gallons of fuel in this thing?? Range is atrocious.

[@lukebelvin4900]

Retractable gear, cool more complex... more things to break and inspect

[@Brimstin]

Not to mention significantly higher insurance premiums.

[@TheReadBaron91]

Diamond: save on fuel Real world: make it up in purchase price and maintenance. No I didn’t watch the video, and have never worked on a DA50. But all the others I have.

[@MickeLang]

"I'm not gonna debate engineering with someone with that accent" Very friendly saying that about a person you do not know. Would love to see you talking about an aircraft in german if you're not a native speaker...

[@CompleteWalkaround]

Micke! Hey, it's a compliment. He has a German accent therefore knows a lot about engineering (stereotype yes I suppose but positive one that Germans are smart and good at engineering) therefore I wouldn't argue with him. I drive a German car! I'm a fan of Diamond, check my other diamond videos. Mostly thanks to you and Martin. Thanks for commenting. I've been watching you since your Crossing the Pond series. Next time you come to London beers are on me! Cheers from Ottawa 👍

[@thedownwardmachine]

Yeah, I understood the remark to indicate his accent was associated with formidable engineering talent

[@RR-pw5nb]

A dump truck full of money is required.

[@BrainWearmouth]

🤯

[@notnamend1316]

That´s surely a plane

[@grayrabbit2211]

Flying a DA40 now. I've been able into sit in a DA50RG but haven't been able to fly in one yet. If its anything like the DA40, shut up and take my money!

[@galactictomato1434]

DA40 has better range funny enough

[@dingoatemybaby9739]

I was the 442nd lol

[@Ethan7s]

Well now you owe us a video on the cirrus.

[@CompleteWalkaround]

Have one, enjoy!

[@Max-iq9lt]

nice aircraft but overpriced new

[@herbbates4713]

You have to be making millions a year to afford any plane

[@galactictomato1434]

False.

[@idratherfly2000]

Very annoying, over half the video had nothing to do with cost to own. You’ll get more views and likes if you are straight to the the point. Also the constant “humor” cheapened the information given and made it feel unprofessional.

[@galactictomato1434]

Strong disagree

[@idratherfly2000]

@@galactictomato1434 straight and to the point, I like it!