Did Al-Ghazali reject science and philosophy? - Debating Al-Ghazali (ep. 2)

[@_titanslayer_]

A correction: Al-Ghazali did not outright reject astrology. He did lament it and called it a waste of time and useless science. But that was because of the way astrology was practised and the lack of demonstrative power that astrology has. If practised correctly, then it is an accepted science. "This is a reason why al-Ghaza¯lı¯ bears no objections against astrology as long as it is conducted in this universal way and does not pretend to predict individual events as happening only to certain humans [...]" (p. 244) endnote on the above quote: Al-Ghaza¯lı¯’s attitude here is certainly influenced by that of Ibn Sı¯na¯, who accepted the general idea of astrology, namely that events are predetermined by celestial causes, but rejected the way it was conducted by the astrologers because too many causes are involved for humans to keep track of them. See Michot in his introduction to Ibn Sı¯na¯, Réfutation de l ’ astrologie , 76*-79* In the first book of his Revival, however, he describes astrology as a useless science that rarely makes correct predictions about future events. Astrologists have only an incomplete knowledge of the celestial causes; and if they hit it right, it is more due to coincidence than to their insight into the hidden causes. Studying astrology is thus seen as a waste of time. Astrologers are, however, justified in assuming that there are celestial causes for events in the sublunar sphere, even if they can only be incompletely predicted." (p. 244) - Griffel, Al-Ghazali's Philosophical Theology "al-Ghazai goes even further than this and argues that astrology is pure conjecture as it doesn’t obtain any observations based on definitive knowledge (al-Ghaza¯l¯ı The Book of Knowledge, 81)." (p. 299) - Malik, Al-Ghazali

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[@_titanslayer_]

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Basically Prof Pervez Hoodhboy is being intellectually dishonest about Imam Ghazali. Thanks for clearing things up brother. Allah bless you ❣️

[@Fundamental_Islam.]

Those who accuse ghazali never read him. Just watched few second clip of an atheist scientist

[@_titanslayer_]

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Glad someone is actually acknowledging his work rather than rant about his work without actually reading it

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[@faisalempire1689]

Im so glad when i found someone who explain and analyse the Ghazali work through logical and intellectual way not through emotions, one sided view, personal attacks etc like Uzma Rumi

[@Millathunmain]

Just a request that Uzma Rumi and others have now changed their standpoint from saying that Al-Ghazali rejection of Casual effect led to decline in Science to now saying that Al-Ghazali takfir of Falasifa merely on disagreeing with him had led to decline in Science, can you address this Takfir caused decline allegation as well?

[@faisalempire1689]

Yeah . He mention this in the very end of the video. That I will discuss these allegations in the next video

[@_titanslayer_]

My upcoming video deals with the topic of causality. And no these people don’t think that Ghazali was a friend of rational sciences. They consider him to be against logic and maths which is why this video was important.

[@Millathunmain]

@@_titanslayer_ no I am not saying that this video was not important. I have just noticed that they have changed their cheif cause for the decline narrative from Al-Ghazali views on Causality(as per them he rejecting that) to now saying his takfir of Falasifa was the cheif cause. I just hoped if you could address this new allegation of theirs as well.

[@AasimIftekhar]

Excellent explanation backed by references

[@noshadar]

You gave cleared my concept. I was really inspired by the idea of secular and liberals about imam Ghazali. But he was great Muslim scholar and thinker.

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Masha Allah brother . Now waiting for ep. 3

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Sheikh Hamza Yusuf had done a huge amount of work on Ghazali RA SubhanAllah. Great work ....

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[@bolshevik_af]

Ghazali never rejected Science and Philosophy, He just didn't like the "Philosophical approach" to the religion.

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[@_titanslayer_]

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ibn sina ka perspective ibn sina ki books sey lena cause some people were saying that imam ghazali misrepresented philosophers in his book

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[@dukhtarakhtar]

In short,he said; all kinds of sciences ko hi sab Kuch smjh laina b ghalt hay aor logical science ko b Kuch nah smjhnaaa aor sab Kuch deny kr daina b ghalt hay.

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[@ifat-ara]

What is Imam Ghazali s autobiography s name ? And where its available ?

[@_titanslayer_]

The Deliverance from error (translated by Mccarthy) or The Savior from Error (translated by Muhtar Holland)

[@AqsaMaryam-zo7kz]

I do think that ghazali didn't like the way astrology was practised and that he wouldn't outrightly hate the subject. The way wasnt right in my opinion how astrology was practiced

[@aashirali2172]

His argument seems to be more about how people could take these wrong assumptions (theories of their time) as facts and get away from religion based on those false assumptions and theories. His problem with the subject is mainly with the people who practice it as the practitioner are just presenting theories which are probable at best and someone could accept those theories as facts. I don't think he would've had that same stance if he saw the technology today being used to understand the universe.

[@syedjamilurrahman1811]

What does Imam Ghazali mean by the term 'Alchemy'? Is it equivalent to modern-day chemistry, or does it have a more metaphorical or spiritual connotation in his philosophical framework?

[@_titanslayer_]

Alchemy is not science and it definitely not the equivalent of today’s modern chemistry. It’s pseudoscience.

[@syedjamilurrahman1811]

@@_titanslayer_ ok thanks brother.

[@aahmed278]

it was sthg about turning normal elements like iron/lead into gold.

[@aahmed278]

to what extent will it be correct to say that Ghazali prevented secularization to seep into Islamic theology the way it did in Christianity

[@MuhammadAhmed-lc1op]

Secularization is not a natural phenomena that happens to every religion. It was born in Christianity due to internal schisms in Christian theology as well as some specific socio-political developments in Western Europe.

[@hussainchoudhary3954]

Emam Gazali accept demonstrative mathematics in which they have no doubt, second mathematical demonstive physics and third logic. But they denie non unproofable Meta physical theory which merely based on thoughtable observation, second denies astrology, based on dreamed thing, Third alchemy about which I have no knowledge.

[@expertglow9588]

Islam considers logic as fifth pillar of aqeeda after Quran, Hadees, Ijma and Swadeazam

[@noxiousgamer8366]

I have a question, I understood what he said about astrology but why he denied alchemy? Aint alchemy just chemistry which is also an important field?

[@_titanslayer_]

Alchemy is not chemistry

[@MuhammadAhmed-lc1op]

Alchemy was a ancient form of the science that we now call Chemistry. Before it used to be more of a pseudoscience concerned more with magic, etc than what is studied today under the banner of Chemistry.

[@Adesign-f6l]

Watch Furqan Qureshi to understand alchemy really well.

[@SaifullahJatoi-oh4ri]

At 0:49 it says that ghazali considers natural sciences to contain heretical doctrines and you are saying that he considers them fard e kifaya??

[@_titanslayer_]

1. Imam Ghazali considered Physics and medicine and other natural sciences as Fard I Kifaya as mentioned in his Ihya p. 14 (trans. Fazlur Karim) 2. I addressed this point two times in this video. He consisted alchemy and astrology to be a) pseudoscience with no demonstrative power b) conflicting the religious texts. 1:27 - 3:30 and 14:43 - 14:52

[@hudamohammedhussain876]

quoting the line for you again. "In Al Ghazali's opinion, logic and mathematics and universally acknowledged sciences, natural sciences, AND METAPHYSICS INCLUDE OR TEND TO INCLUDE HERETICAL DOCTRINES". The first part till 'natural sciences' is a different clause and the second part is different and independent. First part of the sentence: Ghazali says logic and Mathematics are universally accepted sciences and called them natural sciences. Second part of the sentence: Al Ghazali about metaphysics including heretical doctrines.

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@@_titanslayer_ thank you for clarification.

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Kia apne furqan qureshi ki research dekhi hui hai?

[@_titanslayer_]

No

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Furqan Qureshi never cites any sources for his videos so even if one wants to believe his research it's very difficult to verify.

[@huzaifah03]

Plus plenty of EON audience in this comment section lol

[@muawazanwar5207]

I remember questioning myself "why is there not the concept of mathematical deravatives to metaphysical phenomena in larger aspect" I read an article and quote i loved was mentioned below was the perspective i was looking for. The article has many subsections and it was so beautifully writen too. "The fact that mathematical metaphysics provides such a novel perspective on many traditional philosophical problems is reason in itself to study it alongside the more traditional metaphysical stances on mathematical objects, and if it does turn out that mathematical metaphysics provides a much more robust metaphysics than Platonism and nominalism, perhaps philosophers will eventually recognize this and the position will become more common" (Mathematical Metaphysics , Clark Glymour Luke Serafin )

[@muawazanwar5207]

and tbh I see a problem in Ghazali's narrative where he mentioned two evils of mathematics (Deliverance from error) and how it cannot be used to justify the metaphysical phenomena in general cause he feared the mathematical deravatives of metaphysics and conclusions are hard to prove wrong against theological beliefs, but again he was not alone, every philospher thought it that way during that time. It is just sad that he was fearful and knew that the intellectuals would go for proof vs proof once the mathematical metaphysics established. imo he maybe intellectual dishonest like others but was the product of his own time.

[@m.hassan8145]

What infinite prove in mathematics. when all the science is base no finite value to describe a phenomena .

[@muawazanwar5207]

@@m.hassan8145 reduction, emergence and space and time are the metaphysical phenomena we know can be to some extent proved by mathematical deravatives like proof by infinate descent i.e fermat method or proof by contradiction

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[@azmatdawar8037]

Caveat: Al-Ghazali was a product of his times, so we will cut him some slacks.But for the records, he was the first proto- fascist Muslim theospher : justified the status- quo under the aegis of Maslehā( مصلحہ).

[@_titanslayer_]

bogus claim. every time the lies and deceptions of dogmatic idiots are caught the resort to whataboutery. "but but but he was a misogynist! but but but he didn't invent electricity!"

[@azmatdawar8037]

@@_titanslayer_ I can understand the dissonance that is wrecking havoc on your mind : seeking constant validation by reverting to obnoxious attacks -- rather than having a decent argument-- on the likes of Hoodbhoy. Like I said, Ghazali was a product of his time, and his aeon; he was a part of the whole dialectical matrix, that's it. Now coming to the bogus claim and dogmatic idiots, his political philosophy has been explained by Peter Adamson very meticulously. Study "کیمیائے سعادت", and find out his rather absurd views on music, Sama', and mysticism at large.

[@azmatdawar8037]

@@_titanslayer_ One thing more : Before ingesting this dense stuff, which I think you are taking at their face values.( Remember the difference between legibility and understanding.), you should really work on your dhauq (ذوق): a prerequisite to understand philosophy according to Al- Ghazali. Read Arabic, Persian, Urdu, and Pashto classical poetry and Russian and South American literature. Regards

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[@ammarreacts]

Ghazali was A L 😂😂 he is the reason we are suffering in science

[@_titanslayer_]

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[@ammarreacts]

@@_titanslayer_ truth should be said, why tf he try to influence his trash theology

[@aashirali2172]

​@@ammarreacts have you even read his work? You do realise that even after Al Ghazali sciences were still promoted and practiced widely for over 300 years right?

[@ammarreacts]

@@aashirali2172 you know that good, go and read history again with Open mind

[@aashirali2172]

@@ammarreacts I have. Maybe you need to do the same.

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[@qasimzia1285]

The biggest consequence of rational inquriy is that it takes you away from organized religion. Yes, you can have a believe and faith in God, but religion stops making sense. That's why all these so called progressive Muslims scholars have tried to knot religion with science. Although they themselves know the truth. But they don't want all people to know it because it would mean end of their beloved religion. Just like what happened with Christianity and Judaism. Even that's the reason, the clergy in Islam focuses on learning Hadith, Fiqh and other stuff before understanding Quran and normal people are emphasized to focus on reading quran to earn "sawab" rather than understand it. Because a smart brain with knowledge without indoctrination would catch the propaganda. Mutazilites knew it at the very start of Islam and were discarded by the clergy which to the very day, fools a billion people around the world. To each his own but not these ones.