DID CAMPY REALLY JUST RELEASE A $5400 GROUPSET??

[@GCPerformance18]

This group to me was such a bust in terms of what was released and also the price tag they launched it at, it has a price tag of a mid level road bike that comes with sram rival 12 speed group for 5400 usd.... and the look of group literally looks like a 1st generation fi2 10 speed.

[@DavidStacey-tx7on]

Laughed so hard when this groupset dropped all over youtube. Campy has always been way behind the others with electronics, even gen1 di2 wasnt that chunky and @2500gm!!! Havent they listened to consumer feedback regarding the paddle size in cold weather especially using thick gloves?? Honestly this entire gruppo looks like something feom Shanghai trade show. They have gone backwards since hydro disc era.

[@lucasherculano5563]

Important: Shifters have no satellite buttons like Shimano di2....meaning that we can't use them to navigate gps units, or change gears when holding on aero position. That's sort of a deal breaker for many people

[@pipolchamp8205]

and their classic protruding upshift button (harder gear) is gone, even if I can afford it I wouldn't buy it

[@slowcyclist4324]

@Pierre C the “italian putistas” lol. I frankly have nothing against people who want to spend big bucks on flagship stuff because they can and want to. That said, I’ll take the piss at the pretentious riders who think that riding Italian stuff somehow culturally elevates them above others.

[@gb4408]

Shimano Durace 7800 groupset 2073grams.

[@RJ_Groot]

Looks like they are trying to give L-Twoo a run for their money. 😐

[@savagepro9060]

that would definitely prove Campy has hit bottom low, competing with L-Twoon?

[@Jacob99174]

Lol

[@pandudarwoko750]

The End of Campagnolo 💩

[@dainiusvysniauskas2049]

To be fair, you could buy like 10 L-Twoo groupsets for this kind of money

[@ruditon5816]

😂😂😂 it does look similar AND L-T came out first

[@petetube99]

I used to use Campy. Their 10 spd ergo groupos were great, beautiful looking and more than you could ever need. If they started making those again they would return to profit. Theres a big market for simpler cheaper rim brake groups.

[@frankpeter9145]

Sexiest groupset that came out, their chain was its downfall. I replaced it with a Wipperman 10 speed that had the quick release link.

[@povertyspec9651]

KMC makes quick links that work with Campy 10 speed chains

[@AllanPhillips]

This is the beginning of the end for Campy groupsets.

[@ruditon5816]

I said that about a year ago on a cycling chat group on FB and Europeans wanted to crucify me, but in Miami ppl stay await from campy and I seen mechanic refuse to work on it

[@DavidStacey-tx7on]

They started to go down with their hydro disc group

[@gregor350]

Nah man, even in Europe campy is rare. Haven't seen anyone with an electric campy on their bike. But there will always be an idiot who thinks an Italian bike needs an Italian groupset for whatever reason.

[@savagepro9060]

Campy dropped the Thumbs; I raise the middle finger!

[@RitxiSes]

The thumb pusher had its place in a mechanical groupset because it was Campagnolo's solution to integrate the brake/shifting mechanism into the levers....For the electronic group, the Sram/Shimano solution is better and more ergonomic, being able to raise and lower gear with 3-4 fingers of the hand...whether it is gripped on the levers above (where you go many times) or in the lower part from the handlebar ... as much as you like to operate from there with the thumb .

[@brockjennings]

It is sad to see Campy in such decline. The rear derailleur looks like it was cobbled from of a bar of soap.

[@Spinnymaster91]

I see Cannondale is not the only bike company still living under lockdown.

[@johndef5075]

Thats not a rear derailleur. Its a box for tools, tubes, and snacks!

[@oldguyandabike]

Truth...thanks for the realistic reaction instead of all the coo'ing and hand clapping from the major media.

[@gravelpit4201]

Dura ace istn 4k anymore, you can get it for 2.8k So its even more outrageous campy puts on such a price tag

[@B_KFC_Leg]

I think you are spot on. But I am waiting to see the feedback from riders that have actually tried it. I hope the people working in campy is not stupid enough to release a groupset with absolutely no selling point lol

[@michaelmechex]

Campagnolo really wanted to have the most expensive groupset no matter what. Which is kinda awkward when it's mostly just a Sram copy, just not as good. I am so fed up with ultra premium products with absurd pricetags, I'd rather have something reasonably priced and I'm glad most people think the same by now. Otherwise, I think it's pretty good, actually. Really lightweight compared to Sram. I think gear ratios are also fine, if I lived somewhere hilly I'd love the 45-29 crankset :D they need some wider range cassettes though.

[@l.d.t.6327]

It's miles ahead SRAM in shifting speed, but how would you know as you've never tried one, let alone seen one in the wild.

[@Cortes19882012]

I been riding Shimano for over a decade and still see it as the best.

[@danielsemyonov]

This is a nail in their coffin, what an epic fumble

[@aaronburela432]

That's insane. They should've found a way to make it competitive. SRAM will release new wireless for the road, and this will be left in the dust.

[@povertyspec9651]

Wireless is ridiculous trash

[@jianhuichua1154]

Campy used to maintain it's loyal user base with thumb shifter, for the people who like thumb shifter Campy is the one to go. But they losing sales in newer cyclist. Almost 10/10 cyclist around me age group 20-30 think campy design is outdated and thumb shifter is ugly. Now they remove the thumb shifter trying to compete with SRAM and Shimano but at the same time putting a much higher price tag gonna be a huge problem. There is definitely nothing to justify why you should go for SR wireless instead of RED or DURA-ACE. I just don't think the name "Campagnolo" is worth that much anymore in 2023.

[@tonyg3091]

They say the wireless tech will trickle down to Record and Chorus soon but yeah that rear mech is not a looker.

[@savagepro9060]

GCN gave that such excellent reviews. Not surprised. They will eat shyte for the money!

[@stanislavkindiakov6334]

That’s their job

[@savagepro9060]

@@stanislavkindiakov6334 lying?

[@stanislavkindiakov6334]

@@savagepro9060 it’s not a lie in literal meaning. It is advertisement

[@savagepro9060]

@@stanislavkindiakov6334 advertisement are usually lies

[@stanislavkindiakov6334]

@@savagepro9060 there is a super thin line, till some one can sue you

[@eh6520]

I just bougt the groupset for €3600 so the price you call is the max price. Its a legend brand and have more charisma than shitmano

[@hcw199]

They should have just stuck to mechanical and they could have supported the rim brake... A way to keep cycling traditional.

[@juanhidalgo7043]

Hi guys! Nice video and I like the fact it is an opinion. My take: capagnalo has been around for a long time and the craftsmanship is by far top notch. Keep in mind campy is one of the leading companies when it comes adding carbon to the drive train system. I do believe change is sometimes scary for us and for those who has seem campy for a long time! Keep in mind that campy is hand made in Italy and the craftsmanship is from serious engineering. I do agree the derailleur might be big but let’s see the performance. As you all know if you have own campy ( I have for 18+years) and shimano campy has to my opinion outperform shimano. Note; I have own super record and record. In regard to not been compatible, you can say the same for SRAM between AXS XX1 and the new sram t-type. To end, if you are a competitive cyclist, you will never run a tire larger than a 30mm rear tire. Also, I know it is hard to drop 5k but this is for the few! The select. I would buy 3 sets but now I am retired from cycling 😊. Only time will tell but sometimes change is good (or bad) 😊.

[@raufus]

You could store your lunch in that front derailleur cabinet. It is powered by your choice of 6 AA or 8 AAA batteries.

[@savagepro9060]

The name that started and lead it all, is now following! Tullio Campagnolo is SHIFTING in his grave!

[@ZwiftDude]

Bro it does not look like 1st Gen Di2 Rear Mech SS that doesn't even have a battery on it. Plus the battery was hidden usually under the BB. This does and looks MASSIVE on the rear and front mech.

[@Eirikkinserdal]

Think they can outprice their bad sales numbers by becoming even more niche?

[@leslie7922]

I've got ultegra di2 11speed but no lie my next eletronic groupset is likely to be from China (L twoo, etc) because they're more flexible and not feature locked like when the 10sp di2 was firmware upgraded to disable 11sp compatibility

[@steveoc64]

On the subject of price & value& features - Campy is on a huge winner here. Everyone that buys into this will have to upgrade the whole groupset next year, when the industry tells us that we need ABS with the disc brakes on our road bikes, and the ABS systems won't be backwards compatible. Then the year after that, will need to upgrade the whole groupset again, when the industry tells us that we need to replace "old fashioned manually operated" drop bars with a fly-by-wire joystick mounted on the top of the stem.

[@starwarsbuilder1]

it's so expensive I can't even imagine wanting it even if i could afford it. I would just feel silly riding it

[@ivarbrouwer197]

Not aimed at ultra cyclists: 750 km battery limit, is seriously limiting. I don’t get a 10 teeth cog either as the gear jumps increase, making a practically unusable gear on the flat, only for downhill and maybe sprinting in a bunch. So, overall, it doesn’t add meaningful features not already tried & done by SRAM or Shimano, it introduces features from said groupsets, which those already back-tracked, has limited gearing & tire options and it’s not backwards compatible like most tech usually is. However wel constructed it might seem, this isn’t what innovation is about and it looses its iconic looks to boot.

[@Jeromin]

750km battery life ? This thing seems like a loss on every front. That seems pretty damn low, I swear I rarely charge my DA 9230

[@Slow.Smooth]

Di2 is 1000

[@l.d.t.6327]

While I don't like 10T cog, that gear is very usable together with the smaller front rings. With regards to battery life: if you're an ultra cyclist, just stay away from electronic anyway. And 750K is what most would consider enough to charge max. once a week, while you're pumping your tires anyway. The trap with longer lasting batteries is that you often forget to charge them as they will last close to a month, so you forget more easily to charge them.

[@ivarbrouwer197]

@@l.d.t.6327 the jumps between gears are still bigger then when using more teeth, the chain has to bend less, which is more efficient, & if you forget to charge, you will need to wait half an hour before you can start your ride, while pumping up your tires is instantaneous.

[@l.d.t.6327]

@@ivarbrouwer197 It charges 90% in 45 minutes which is much better than anything Shimano and SRAM. With regards to 10T: I'm not a fan, but this isn't a Campa thing. SRAM started it.

[@screwb1882]

am i the only one that just wants affordable 12x2 mechanical shifting?

[@eric.onthego]

this monstrosity of a groupset makes Shimano 11sp electronic groupset look like a dream....

[@MrSandperson0]

Don't hate cuz you're not a dentist/lawyer/venture capitalist and can't afford it 😛 Joking aside, I've never liked the "bulk" of the electronic groupsets. Mechanical 11 speed Super Record is pretty much gonna be the best looking groupset from here on out. I like to see the glossy carbon weave vs the newer carbon they're using.

[@anthonycasey57]

I have a full carbon bike and wheels with a 105 groupset with a little over 1k invested and super happy with it lol

[@rickcannata4623]

Totally agree with you GC. The Group set is way too ugly and way too expensive. You can buy a motor cycle for the price of some of these bike builds.

[@charliedillon1400]

So sad. My Campy Centaur 10 sp from 2008 still works perfectly on my older steel Bianchi and the whole group cost me $800 at the time. How far we have fallen.

[@livingwithfshd]

never have and never will. Campy is a dying old school company that hasnt moved with the times and now its too late. Who in their right mind would pay this much for this average groupset.

[@Xhadp]

I am confused about the swappable batteries issue, having swappable batteries are all over the home power tool market there is no way that it is simple as "it is patented whoops we can't do that" My guess is either they are lying or they don't want to do it. It would have been better to turn that into a benefit like offering different tier of battery, like one that lasts an hour for hill climbs, another that is for casuals and another for pro racing and then offer them all in the absurd price point package. But no, instead we have to settle on what is the most outrageous limitation.

[@BorjaAOS]

The only thing I like is the levers, I think they should have gone semi-wireless and with regular gearing

[@teunluijbregts2533]

Yes they did and it will most likely be the same as the current super record: we all know it exists but only a few sponsored pro teams use it. We can only hope Campagnolo stick with the current mechanical designs and price points for all the other groupsets and leave this one to be the show-car that it is. …the ten-cog is nice though - will that become available for Record/Chorus level?

[@walterramos1054]

10 and 11 are almost useless I personally made my on personal cassette from 12 up to 30 and add the 16 and I run 53 39

[@c.d.j300]

Shifters look like Manny's head from ice age. 🤣

[@dogukantosun5547]

Imagine, in a group ride, you crash because of the turbulence created by the massive shifters of the "super record" driving in front of you. 🤣

[@frankpeter9145]

I agree with the size of the rear derailleur. It looks like a BBL.

[@ImranWorldCyclist]

The front one is just as bad!

[@michaelmechex]

Hey Grant, I wonder, would you be willing to try and order an L-twoo groupset again, now that it's available on Panda Podium?

[@GCPerformance18]

I got a surprise, I ordered one soon coming I.

[@michaelmechex]

@@GCPerformance18 Awesome, thank you! I really look forward to that!

[@lleweybyrne]

It’s like watching the delta brake or Euclid groupset scenario all over again.

[@l.d.t.6327]

Delta brakes going for ridiculous prices, 30 years later.

[@ralphc1405]

@@l.d.t.6327 C-Record components for the win! Even 40 years later.

[@DarynRod]

Alls Im sayin is... if its that expensive and that fuggo... it better shift like chocolate sexy whiskey.

[@diowade1784]

That shifter tilt tho. Very classic

[@leonschumann2361]

l have a whole carbon superbike elves falath pro disc, elitewheels, 11s ultegra Di2 for that money

[@Rafael-vu2xn]

Market is open for an alternative groupset manufacturer. Does anyone know potential candidates?

[@garyeanes4747]

First off.....Italian manufacturing and electrical reliability don't go together. On a serious note though, the front and rear derailleur batteries are different. That's ridiculous IMO. The best part of SRAM AXS is that if either the rear or front battery fail on a ride, you can simply swap them...maybe even carry just one spare. With Campy, you couldn't swap the front battery into the rear derailleur if that one fails and you'd have to carry 2 separate and distinct backup batteries. Campy missed the mark massively on this.

[@cat4garage]

They had to make unique batteries to get around the SRAM patent of using common batteries between the two.

[@zaphod_beeblerox]

first gen di2 and red axs had a mutant love child that hit every stick on the way down is what it is

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

Shimano makes a 46/30 front crankset which is great for off-road. The Campagnolo 45/29 is quite similar... is it also supposed to be for off-road?

[@TheKryztiandivor]

Changing to chinese groupsets after current mechanical 105's- DA's no longer available.

[@GCPerformance18]

I have one coming

[@Lauriieton]

I actually really like how the paddles look

[@agustinburgos8074]

gc you got me laughing the whole video hahaha, i agree with u it made me mad

[@GCPerformance18]

:))

[@savagepro9060]

Front battery to rear battery: so, yow, who's really in CHARGE, here

[@l.c.5909]

I’ve still have the old rim brake 7900 dura ace di2 and it looks far smaller and better than this crack out monstrosity. Italians always set the standard with they’re beautiful/well executed aesthetics.I don’t know. What do you call this??

[@mohamadjamil3164]

Agree and appreciate your honesty

[@mikekelly1771]

Campy "We now do a 45/29 for the gravel riders"! Also Campy "Tyre size limit on your gravel bike is now reduced to 34c"

[@jackronald3591]

Thanks for the honest review! Agree 100!

[@charlesblithfield6182]

Seems like they are doing this reluctantly and half assed which accounts for the weird design choices. It’s almost like a protest groupset.

[@LifeCycle1978]

A lot of is patent restrictions. Don’t get me wrong, it looks like garbage but there was only so much they could do.

[@charlesblithfield6182]

@@LifeCycle1978 patents, makes sense. I also imagine, what with their history, they might throw the book out and try to do something really forward looking rather than half baked. Maybe it’s in the plan to underwhelm given the current competition. SRAM seems to be trying some new things and Shimano is trying to optimize some accounting marketing algorithm rather than address the needs of real riders.

[@sepg5084]

Then don't buy it? They can release a million dollar groupset, does not matter.

[@davidnicholson6680]

In fairness to the gearing, 50-10 is a significantly bigger gear than 53-11. I can't imagine many people beyond crit sprinters who can routinely hit 40+mph need anything bigger than a 50-10.

[@jkk916]

I can't believe that Campagnolo is doing the same mistake as SRAM with small front chainrings. $5000 groupset and you can't get "pro-level" chainrings? LOL who is this for?

[@iddra1868]

This is insane. I can order a DA 9270 for $2400 and have it here in 3 days.

[@GCPerformance18]

yea I have been seeing shimano groups for mad cheap everywhere

[@maxab7e63s5]

Man I can run 50/34 cranks with 11-36 10 speed cassette using a 9 speed derailleur. Buttery smooth shifting with shimano 105 shifters. I keep seeing these price tags from Shimano, SRAM, campag and it is sad the direction the bike industry is heading. And I know you have to sell bikes but you must notice that your clientele is starting to shrink due to the rising costs. They are making cycling a niche for the well off and forgetting your regular consumer.

[@phenofinder9145]

Ouch. Campy just face planted. Full scorpion.

[@youarevictoria4981]

Campy had done this before. Remember their first clipless pedals, they were huge, heavy, ugly and poorly balanced. Then there were the freewheel hub axles, Chorus brakes, 144 BSD chainrings, straight cage rear mech, and heath joints. It takes them a while to adapt.

[@durianriders]

ALL the new groupsets and bikes from the big brands are RUBBISH!! IYKYK! Ive got over 60 high end bikes. I live to race and work on race bikes. The new stuff is just garbage. ABSOLUTE JUNK lol! Dont get me started on how much it costs or weighs either.

[@GCPerformance18]

I know I know, your stance on the situation mr. durianrider....... trust me

[@mlee6136]

Totally agree, i noticed the fugly derailleurs, unacceptable for 5K

[@Matthew-ez4ze]

What is important to watch is if UAE goes back to putting it on their team's Colnago bikes. If not, they don't trust it for The Tour and will keep the Dura Ace groupset they fled to.

[@seanstuck572]

I think patents need to be capped at some point. When it gets to this level it just hurts industry development

[@pqlr8763]

Laughed out loud when I heard the part about the 34mm max clearance! 53 hundred bucks and it won't even let you get comfortable on rough roads 🤣🤦‍♂

[@GCPerformance18]

yea I know this shit is crazy

[@l.d.t.6327]

@@GCPerformance18 the crazy thing is basing your rant on MSRP... As if anyone ever bought any groupset at MSRP.

[@iMadrid11]

Campy could have licensed the interchangeable batteries from SRAM. But it looks like they don’t want to pay. Shimano licensed the Look Keo cleat design when they released their SPD-SL pedal. So it’s not like this never happened before.

[@housepfhoopz]

this is the biggest let down of the years its 5400 and it looks like fsa wireless which is years behind compare to sram red axs my biggest concern is the shift button location all the way at the bottom of the and it doesnt extend to help reaching the button 12 speed eps is looking like a super model now and the mechanical is pure heat

[@steveoc64]

A patent for a battery setup that fits in more than 1 different thing ? Who the hell signed off on that patent

[@weedseed2]

The battery is interchangable. I also thought it wasn‘t at first, but it has two ways to go into a port, one for the front and one for the back. Can be seen in dave arthurs vid… but, I couldn‘t care less about this new release. Nothing new here 🤷

[@weedseed2]

I‘m so wrong 😂🙈. It is not interchangeable. What a failed concept by campi!

[@GCPerformance18]

No problem I do this all the time

[@andrewa.3304]

Im sticking yo shimano👍

[@MazingerZX]

How much was the Campy SR mechanical full set? (Compared to this new release.)

[@kovar2344]

how can something so elementary as battery swap between different products of the same brand be prohibited by a patent by other company.

[@alexgonzalezMI]

wow didn't realize it was 5400. So much for that.

[@marcinstyle85]

Wow that very cheap for whole group-set , very nice

[@MrDinodeal]

I totally agree with you!!! $5300 GTFOH.

[@devdroid9606]

"Let's make it ugly AF and price it so that we never have to make this sh*t."

[@bonn1771]

just wish they ekar wireless for cheap as this one is so much money

[@stevensantana8049]

I will not even buy that group set at all to overpriced big time..and it does not even have a 39-53 chainring on it..

[@bikebudha01]

I'm older and wiser these days. I wish someone had dropped this wisdom-bomb on me back when I was young. If you aren't getting paid to ride, you don't need the top-o-the-line equipment. The best of the best of the best equipment can only ever save you seconds on the hour (at best). So if you aren't withing 'seconds' of winning whatever you are competing in, it's wasted money. Let's look at real life example. The Rocky Mountain elements comes in several 'grades'. Let's look at the C50 vs the C90. There is a $4,000 difference in prices. Near as I can tell, you will save 2lbs with the C90. Otherwise the bike will ride virtually the same. Why spend the extra $4,000?!?!? You shouldn't. You'll have the exact same amount of fun, and get the exact same results on the less expensive bike. - I had been riding campi on my main road bike for over 20 years. Wonderful components. Was super disappointed by new road bike wasn't campi. That said, no way I'd pay $5.5k for the groupset these days...

[@bljordan1055]

I only ride Campy and will continue doing so. However, i will stay with with mechanical gruppos.

[@steve050867]

If you're going to change any product make it better not worst. That's a Fast Track to Bankruptcy

[@savagepro9060]

Do not insult Shimano. Di2 first edition was never ugly. It's even cuter than Campy Record Crap!

[@ChrisCapoccia]

the only way this release makes any sense is to meet some UCI requirement related to teams needing to ride commercially available equipment

[@lo_1]

This groupset might look fine on a Fatbike

[@rlake349]

Happy to be a Shimano guy!

[@mikekelly1771]

With only one pro tour team still on Campy, and them possibly moving to Decathlon bikes next year, this doesn't look for Campy. You can only play catch up for so long until you just get left behind. Sorry Campy, you missed the target on this one.

[@trroland1248]

At least the crankset looks nice. 😏

[@GCPerformance18]

yea I mean there cranks always look good

[@guspachio4977]

It’s seriously $5400? Holy F’n Moly, that’s ridiculous! The bike industry has officially lost its mind!

[@peterfreeman3317]

Diehard Campy guy. Glad I got a mechanical Record 12 groupo last year for reasonable money. Why no 13 or 14 speed? Why no 53/39? I ride AXS on my mtb’s but a road bike has an beauty about it that can’t be described. Give me mechanical rim brakes and no batteries on my road bike all day long. Disc brakes are ugly, batteries on a road bike are ugly, and this Super Record is just gross looking. No thumb shifting…why? Hey Campy you will never get Shimano or SRAM guys to switch so why ditch the thumb shifter?????????

[@samsepiol7080]

I mean you could argue that campagnolo still does manufacturing in Europe not the far east. But no mechanical version, no rim break version and those wierd design choices to navigate around patents? Not the best decisions...

[@disloyalyou5455]

Lmaoooooo I thought sram front derailleur was ugly 😂

[@sbccbc7471]

I know right? This groupset makes SRAM eTap AXS derailleurs look less chunky. The battery size is a joke.

[@76844]

These big names are going in the wrong direction for price point.

[@savagepro9060]

yeah, price point is up the rectum