Did "Eight Men Out" Portray Eddie Collins Accurately?

[@luishumbertovega3900]

For starters, Eddie Collins was a lefthanded hitter and the only scene in the movie in which he is shown at bat we see actor Bill Irwin hitting righthanded. Other than that, he was portrayed as an intelligent person with integrity and respect for the game. The movie is a favorite of mine. Thank you for the 1-derful video and those marvelous facts ! ⚾️

[@jnjtiger]

Bill Irwin actually a marvelous physical comedian. See "My Blue Heaven" and play "Fool Moon". Tremendously talented.

[@luishumbertovega3900]

@@jnjtiger Yes, I love My Blue Heaven, you are right, his dancing was unforgettable, he 's a Broadway veteran performer !!!

[@robertwilliams3317]

Hear, Hear!!

[@timothymcsweeney588]

one of the things they got wrong in the movie eight men out was the portrayal of dickie Kerr in the movie in the two games that dickie Kerr pitched it shows him throwing right handed the real Dickey Kerr threw left handed

[@jnjtiger]

Also not a fresh-faced rookie, but a veteran minor leaguer who had not been promoted due to his small stature. 1919 White Sox so pitching strapped, Gleason had to turn to Kerr during the season.

[@omnimediaassociatesllc7984]

Another error in 8 men out and repeated here was that Comiskey was cheap. The 1919 White Sox had the highest payroll in the American league.

[@christopherhopkins949]

The only reason Collins was paid that much money was he had signed that contract while with the Athletics, traded to the White Sox with that contract in place.

[@moonrich3492]

As a long time baseball fan, I'm enjoying watching your videos and am appreciating your analyses. Philadelphia is a great sports city, and I applaud your interest in the history of the Philly A's. It seems to me now as an old timer that these players weren't toiling all that long ago. The Black Sox scandal happened about 40 years before I began rooting for the Pirates, and now I find 40 years ago to be Mike Schmidt and Larry Bowa. Put another way, in 1960 the Pirates upset the heavily favored Yankees, as I so vividly recall -- and this was roughly halfway between the formation of modern MLB in 1901 and today! In Lawrence Ritter's interview of him (link below), Cleveland Indian Smoky Joe Wood said his former Red Sox teammate Eddie Cicotte told him in a hotel during the 1920 season that the White Sox didn't dare win the pennant that year. Wood said he didn't think the Indians could've won the pennant in 1920 had the White Sox been playing to win. As he put it, "We didn't sense too much, but our last series with the White Sox, we saw they weren't out to win." I believe Eddie Collins suspected as much in the same way. Highly experienced ballplayers surely know when another player isn't giving it his all or when the mistakes are fitting a pattern. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4Ooq2lshNShq5I (at 25:30 mark)

[@vincentfromia]

Good article and I loved Irwin' portrayal of Eddie Collins who is one of my favorite all time players. The only thing I question is the assertion that Buck Weaver was involved in trying to throw the 1920 season. "Weaver’s 1920 season, which would prove to be his last in the major leagues, was also his finest. In 151 games, Buck posted career highs in batting average (.331), on-base percentage (.365), slugging percentage (.420), runs (102), hits (208), and doubles (34). Still only 29 years old and a nine-year veteran, Weaver was at the top of his game, leading Chicago in its fight for a second consecutive pennant. " Interesting stats for someone trying to throw a season. The work and the presentation.

[@g.t.richardson6311]

Guilty knowledge Same as joe

[@jayhusayko1068]

In regard to Buck Weaver the charges were based on the 1919 Series alone. Even after the 19 series gambling was still very prevalent within the game. The crackdown did not come until after Judge Landis became commissioner. I would not be surprised if other players throughout the league did the same. Once Landis cracked down that was it. You can’t use the 1920 correlation in regard to Weaver.

[@vincentfromia]

The Asimov book was definitely flawed, but one thing that I found might have influenced Weaver's silence is that not only were gamblers involved with big money on the line, but some of the Black Sox were pretty tough, too, so reporting the fix meeting might not have been safe to do. BTW the scene where Lefty's wife was threatened supposedly never happened.

[@christopherhopkins949]

Buck Weaver never took a dime in the 1919 World Series.

[@bustercherry9643]

It seemed to me as though they went out of their way to portray Eddie Collins as an arrogant prick who was disliked by his teammates. There were only slight hints of his greatness as a player. Eight Men Out is a good movie but when it comes to Eddie Collins I think it whiffs. Dickie Kerr is another player whom the movie gets wrong. He's portrayed as a young pup barely old enough to shave with little experience in baseball when in reality he was 28 years old and had spent years playing minor league ball in Texas.

[@jnjtiger]

Exactly right on Kerr, a well travelled minor league pitcher. Opportunity came as Red Faber was weakened by flu pandemic. Kerr did a marvelous job filling in.

[@sjjcws]

Wish you had talked more about Jackson, and your take on his involvement. He, too, was a former Athletic.

[@bmalin]

True. I have a his rookie picture on the A’s team picture. One of my prized possessions.

[@ErichLRuehs]

This is absolutely fantastic! Thought I'd come on here for a few minutes and now I'm watching it for the third time. Grew up in North Jersey so I always "hated" Philly teams. But folks from Philly really are fun to hand with and talk sports. Genuine passion for sports! Just don't piss them off! LOL

[@Bengalsreds1979]

This is all interesting and I love it. The mention of 1901and college football along with being a Michigan fan just made me want to talk about statistically the greatest team in sports history the 1901 Michigan football Wolverines. In 1901 Michigan would hire Fielding Yost who would go on to be one of college football's greatest coaches in college football history winning 6 titles in 25 years in Ann Arbor. The 1901 Wolverines went 11-0 outscoring their opponents 550-0 winning the first Rose Bowl 49-0 over Stanford. From 01-05 Michigan went 55-1-1 outscoring opponents 2821-42 which has to remain as dominant as any team in a 5 year span.

[@billfelber759]

The notion that Comiskey was cheap has been disproven so thoroughly that I am surprised you repeat it.

[@Bigandbearded]

Charles was cheap. He made the players wash their own uniforms and when the writers started calling them the black Sox because the uniforms were so dirty he went back to paying to have them cleaned

[@danielcorreard3746]

this movie embellished a lot of facts mostly that comiskey was cheap. the players were made out as sympathetic figures they weren't they were plain greedy.

[@joeylocognato2198]

Also, the 1920 season, was as follows: Chicago was up by three games with 2 weeks left in the season: the eight players were suspended, at that point the White Sox were gutted, and Cleveland over took them .

[@PhiladelphiaBaseballHistory]

Cleveland had been in first place since September 16th, when they overtook the Yankees. Cleveland never relinquished first place for the rest of the season, but Chicago overtook the Yankees for second place on September 18th. Chicago remained in second place, trailing from half a game to two games until Eddie Cicotte revealed that he had been testifying to the Grand Jury. When Comiskey suspended the remaining seven players (Chick Gandil was not playing for Chicago at the time), Chicago needed to win all 3 of their remaining games AND hope for Cleveland to lose 2 of their remaining 4 games just to get a tie in the standings. One of those games was against the Browns, and the remaining 3 were against Detroit, who were in the penultimate place in the standings.

[@Checkmate34851]

Probably the greatest second baseman of all time

[@jacobjones5269]

He has an argument, without question.. I put him third on the list behind Alomar Jr and Joe Morgan..

[@Jamestown-y9j]

​@@jacobjones5269Hornsby, Gehringer, Frisch, Napleon Lajoie some of his contemporaries of the first half of last century.

[@jacobjones5269]

@@Jamestown-y9j Yeah, I blanked on the RAJAHS!.. Put him 2nd behind Alomar Jr.. The guy hit over .400 over a 5 year span from 1922-1926.. Smh..

[@jacobjones5269]

@@Jamestown-y9j Ok, I live in Houston, and I saw Alomar Jr play one time… Late in his career, with Cleveland.. Dude jacked one from both sides that night.. I was in awe..

[@Jamestown-y9j]

@@jacobjones5269 I must say, since I've really seriously studied and most of all enjoyed Baseball from the early - mid 60's on Robby was heads over heels the best keystoner (sic) I've ever seen, I've seen Morgan, Sandberg Cano, Biggio all in their prime, Alomar was THE BEST. Him and Omar V turning the double play was a thing of beauty. Also a great money player. He's got my vote.

[@DolphinGuitar28]

I learned so much from this episode. Didn't know about the 1920 season situation. Thank you so much for the information!

[@theworldwariioldtimeradioc8676]

People forget that movies are not meant to be documentaries. They are simply a director and producer’s take on events. Many times they are embellished because the real event was boring and would not play well or it would simply take too long to act it out.

[@stridedude]

" Well, you said it, I didn't ", was the rejoinder of Eddie Collins, played by Bill Irwin, in the film " Eight Men Out " . When his character is asked by the prosecutor if there was ever a game in which he did play all out ( "gave it the old college try ", meant to be ironic, as Collins was the rare college graduate on a very rough and tumble team. Several of his teammates hated / resented him for it. Joe Jackson, of course being illiterate, respected him ), Collins' response is " No, never " . The Prosecutor responds: " Then you are a very remarkable man, Mr. Collins", to which Bill Irwin comes back, with a note of satisfied superiority , " Well, you said it , I didn't " . Guessing this was pretty much in character for Eddie, who was also known as " Cocky " Collins. At about 31 minutes kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIWxe3hrjLeqg9E

[@jnjtiger]

This is a movie based on a book written in 1963. The book rekindled interest in this fascinating story. The book and movie did not have access to new information now available - actual Sox salaries, actual Grand Jury testimony - confessions by Cicotte, Jackson, Williams. Collins was an Ivy League Graduate on a team with one or more basic illiterates. He was, by far, the most highly paid player on the team and one of highest paid in baseball. Plus, “throwing” baseball games was not uncommon in this era and eight “Black Sox” not the only players banned. Merely the best known. Ironically, Jackson and Weaver had great hitting series in 1919, while Collins and most “clean” Sox hit poorly. Reds were very underrated and actually had much deeper starting pitching than White Sox. Collins scene with Comiskey - ironically it was Joe Jackson who came to see Comiskey when reward offered for information, but Comiskey would not see him. Net, net, Collins in Cooperstown and a baseball icon.

[@fnlvnlol24]

Suspicions surrounding Buck’s play after being implicated the season before is natural…but his numbers that season say otherwise cos they’re stellar.

[@TheBatugan77]

Doesn't mean he was clean.

[@ivokarmely453]

I am from Boston and a fan of the Red Sox. I think this channel’s videos are excellent.

[@TedPerry-m6s]

Fascinating. I had no idea they threw games during the 1920 season also and that Buck Weaver wasn't the innocent, good soul that the movie portrays him as.

[@samkohen4589]

Is there any proof of that

[@user-jv9qz2bu1r]

well executed production you made me take a closer look at Collins' life and career - according to Wiki he was a friend of Tom Yawkey and convinced him to buy the RedSox.

[@TonysMusic1974]

Love your videos. Music is way too loud in the mix and drowns you out

[@georgesouthwick7000]

Hollywood never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

[@tomsmith5216]

Having a suspicion that Weaver was throwing games in 1920 is no proof he did. just because Collins said so. I don't believe he threw games in 1919 either. If Collins knew he was throwing games, whybdidn't he providr anynproof? And then years later he says he didn't know for sure, he just suspected it. 8f he knew, alhad proof and dif nothing sbout it, he was just as guilty as any of the other 8.

[@TheBatugan77]

If Collins said it happened... It HAPPENED! Punk.

[@shaunkeating78]

The Philly Athletics didn’t win the AL pennant in 1904, their first pennant was in 1902.

[@NDR-hn3ue]

I found the video profound, insightful ,analytical , and very enjoyable about this topic. I appreciate the time you took to give this complete view something the movie did not do. Though the protagonist is "Shoe less" Joe Jackson

[@kevinbergin9971]

15:17 Great photo of Gandl he looks like Frankenstein.

[@lucasmembrane4763]

The prohibition amendment had been passed before the 1919 season started, although it did not become effective until early 1920.

[@timhadac8783]

Do you have a video exploring the (allegedly) fixed 1914 World Series?

[@chrisfranco6603]

Great analysis by you. Let’s hear more about the great players prior to 1940.

[@JM-zt8bw]

Outstanding video. Great info I didn’t know. Cheers

[@dougeberhart5965]

Very enlightening! Thank you, sir!

[@gracehunter8571]

While looking for a documentary about the Black Sox your site popped up. I was going to get out of it but after the first few minutes I was engrossed. This was such a fantastic video, and I was glued until the end. Question: Since this was important baseball history, do you think they should be included in the Hall of Fame? PS Thought the ragtime music was a nice ttouch.

[@patrickkanas3874]

The biggest inaccuracy about Collins in this movie is that he's portrayed as the weakest player in the starting lineup when in reality he would've been one of the best. Collins did have a rough series (he only had a slightly better batting average than Chick Gandil) but it's possible that was due to sabotage. Because of his status as a bench player Fred McMullin also acted as the team's advance scout and it's possible that he gave the players a false scouting report to cover up the fix and his involvement by causing the clean players to also play poorly

[@dougeberhart5965]

How about a video on Larry bowa and why he was so competitive & combative?

[@rogerwilliams5366]

Enjoyed the video, nice job!

[@51ghardy]

Well done. I have to admit that I did not know about Eddie Collins and am looking into his stats as a player. I think he is greatly under-rated even though he is in the Hall Of Fame. He is probably one of the top twenty players of all time.

[@g.t.richardson6311]

He is probably the greatest 2nd baseman ever over his career Others have had greater individual seasons here and there. One of the few players, who was great in the deadball era and great in the live ball era Example : he led the league in stolen bases with 67 in 1909. 15 years later, he led the American League in stolen bases with 42. Had an on base percentage over .400 for 13 seasons I could go on and on

[@johnnytheboy533]

Wasn't Andy Coakley the guy that was horse playing around with Rube Waddell when Waddell hurt his arm and was never the same pitcher?

[@robertsilva1016]

Thank You For Sharing This Video Vlog

[@jayfidanza5755]

And the Red Sox wish THEY were half the player Jeter was!

[@bmalin]

That cap is awesome. Where did you get it?

[@philippliskin9196]

Really liked this, thank you

[@dannywallace4905]

Detroit guy. But damn good job

[@TheBatugan77]

Those scrubs making fun of a lifetime .356 hitter were idiots. You think they'd try talking to their own bats and seeing if it worked for them.

[@TheBatugan77]

Bill Irwin also played a psychotic murderer on th original CSI. He shived Ray Langston (Lawrence Fishburne) too.

[@UnderhillKoufax]

Well done commentary.

[@PhiladelphiaBaseballHistory]

Thank you.

[@Jamestown-y9j]

Te toodler my ass, Eddie Collins was a drinking buddy of Tom Yarkey owner of Boston Sox when he was their GM, he was also known as a bigot, one of the reasons why the Red Sox was last major leagues team to integrate

[@24hoursadaywithbobr]

Nice work

[@jimkofoid5054]

Joe Jackson hit .375 with an OPS of .956 (the highest on either team who played all 8 games), had 6 RBI's (highest on the sox), and hit one (1) home run (the only home run by either team in the series). Do you believe he actually participated in throwing the series? I'm not saying I know, just asking.

[@harryfrezza1931]

What colors did the A’s wear

[@garryharris3777]

The rise of Phillies and the Federal League war raised salaries plus Ban Johnson made a deal with Comiskey to deliver him a star player. That’s why Eddie Collins left for the ChiSox.

[@Areyoutalkingtome-q1s]

The Sox continued throwing games into the 1920 season.

[@BrotherApexx]

Good video--thank you but 6:53: "19-oh-10"?

[@leftcoaster67]

So had the Sox not thrown the 1920 Season would this have been swept under the rug as a team choking? I think what's sad is the players didn't trust Kid Gleason enough to come forward to him. Or maybe they were too ashamed?

[@fridaynightsports7188]

,Almost everything in the movie "8 Men Out" was fictional.

[@LouieKaboom]

Exactly. The fact it's still cited as a reliable source is a bit mind-boggling.

[@SteveGee1986]

Reality: Charles Comisky had the 2nd highest payroll in baseball so this push to make the players look like victims is nonsense. Alos, actors imitating athletes is an immediate fail.

[@jacobjones5269]

Actually, they tried very hard to sweep it under the rug, which led to the issue that demanded a change.. And that was the mistrust clouding the 1920 season, where the fans and everyone else now knew players were in the pockets of gamblers.. Not good..

[@Fojo1936]

Being a lifelong Cleveland fan, I still questioned the 1920 season (long before my time though) and never really considered the Tribe to be the legitimate AL champs that year, for the reasons you gave.

[@PRR5406]

This might have been your graduation paper.

[@VandelayIndustries61]

Collins was born in Millerton NY, not "Millertown" NY. He joined the White Sox in 1915, not 1917.

[@cardboardempire]

1919 White Sox were the third highest paid team in the MLB at that time. They fixed the series because of greed.

[@jamessparks1836]

Not necessarily. Maybe the whole league was getting screwed?

[@ThaTopStudio]

@6:55 “19-0-10”??? 🤣😂😂🤣

[@randythomas3488]

How about turning down the background music

[@TheBatugan77]

How about minding your own fkg bidness?

[@randythomas3488]

@@TheBatugan77 WHAT? WHAT? I can't hear you over that hella loud backing music

[@TheBatugan77]

​@@randythomas3488 Deaf and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

[@christopherhopkins949]

$15,000 a year was three times as much as his Chicago teammates.

[@christopherhopkins949]

Kind of like the Yankees in the 1970's

[@Lawomenshoops]

While the White Sox did have a high payroll, many of the 8 players were 7 paid! That’s why they were tempted by the offer to fix the series. In today’s baseball reference at a click of a computer, you can find that the BS Eddie Cicotte said that he was held out of games after winning 29 games is wrong. He won 29 late in the season and didn’t miss his next start. He got bombed that game.

[@Bigandbearded]

Most of the 8 out had a better season is 20 then 19. Chick was no longer in baseball in 20 but production was better out of the 20 team

[@georgesouthwick7000]

Eddie Collin’s was quite possibly the only MLB player of that era who had a college education.

[@samkohen4589]

Moe Berg, law degree Columbia University

[@jeffwilliams196]

Piano is obtrusive.

[@smokesletsgo2374]

To me the casting was terrible. Great actors but they looked nothing like who they portrayed. The actors either looked too young or too old or had very different features

[@wiedep]

movies aren't real life

[@TheBatugan77]

Yes they are.

[@mariocisneros911]

I strongly disagree with your analysis that the black sox were trying to lose in the 1920 season. They won 96 games , 2nd most in history, could've won 2-4 more and the pennant, but were sat by ownership. Maybe Comiskey is crooked. Chick Gandel the ringleader was off the team and his malcontent influence after 1919 .

[@TheBatugan77]

They were in the bag, buddy. Wake up.

[@Eddie91322]

I was hoping for clarification --- Did Swede Risberg pronounce his name RISE-burgh (as you do in this video) and not RIZZ-burgh? I have heard both and would really love to know the proper pronunciation. If it is RISE ... can you let us know how you know that and that it is definitely accurate? I would really appreciate it.

[@Jamestown-y9j]

Eddie Collins was also a racial bigot, as ohe as GM for the Red Sox and Yawkey as owner were the last MLB team to integrate, Also a "teetoler" ?, I guess that changed when he became Yawkey's GM, because it was common knowledge he and Yawkey was drinking buddies. As for the 1920 (White Sox) they falloff after Landis suspended the 8 during late in the season, and Cleveland won, partly inspired by the death of their starting shortstop Ray Chapman accidentally beaned by Highlanders (Pre-Yankees, nickname) submariner Carl Mays. Eddie Collins was not some "Prince Valient" as being betrayed here.

[@g.t.richardson6311]

Total crap

[@TheBatugan77]

Eddie wasn't racist. He just knew then what we all know now.

[@Jamestown-y9j]

@@TheBatugan77 Thank You, God Bless.

[@TheBatugan77]

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[@cymaddux3131]

Horrible background music

[@TheBatugan77]

Fix your hearing aid, gramps

[@cymaddux3131]

@@TheBatugan77 I fixed your granny's last night.

[@kduquett]

You should lose the piano music, it's very distracting.

[@TheBatugan77]

You should mind your own fkg business, son. 🎹 🎹 🎹 🎹

[@kduquett]

@@TheBatugan77 If you disagree fine, but also mind your own fking business. There are more points of view than yours.

[@TheBatugan77]

@@kduquett 👈😡 You better check yourself. Or you'll get a steel-toed boot jammed up your shit-chute.

[@TheBatugan77]

@@kduquett You like music, pappy? You like getting beat like a bass drum? 🥁 🥁 🛢️ 🛢️ Keep it up!

[@TheBatugan77]

​@@kduquett🖕😠🖕 You still here? Take a long walk off a short pier.

[@mtpascoe]

You forgot to mention one scene where Eddie Collins comes to bad and takes out his chewing gum and puts it on the top of his cap. He actually did that in real life. When he got two strikes on him, he would put the gum back into his mouth.

[@joethaler7921]

Not so big an expert on the A’s as you think. To wit, the A’s did not win the 1904 American League Pennant. The Boston Red Sox did, with the NY Highlanders in second place. The A’s won the pennant in 1905. They faced the New York Giants and, lost in five games. Do a little research next time. By the way, Risberg is pronounced with a short i, not long i.

[@TheBatugan77]

@joe To wit... SHOVE it.

[@LouieKaboom]

​@@TheBatugan77Take your own advice. Nothing joethaler7921 typed here is inaccurate.

[@acousticshadow4032]

Great topic, well researched, but... you're asking a lot of us to look at you for 35+ minutes. Try to stay off the camera.

[@crabnutsmcgee6030]

Meh, get over it.

[@rentslave]

Derek Jeter wishes that he was half the ballplayer that was Eddie.

[@TheBatugan77]

No he fkn doesn't!

[@rentslave]

@@TheBatugan77 Retrosheet says that he was 7 times better.

[@TheBatugan77]

​@@rentslave Shove your retroshit.

[@TheBatugan77]

​@@rentslave Your retrosheet is Charmin. 💩💩💩💩💩

[@joeylocognato2198]

Joe Jackson( NEVER ACCEPTED)any money, and clearly had a great series. I was born in 1995, so I was not around those players then. High batting average, No errors. No

[@PhiladelphiaBaseballHistory]

Jackson asked to be benched before the Series. His statements regarding the scandal were inconsistent. According to Judge Charles McDonald, who oversaw the Grand Jury, Jackson spoke with him in chambers and by telephone. In those conversations, Jackson revealed the names of all of the co-conspirators, and admitted that while the ordinary person would not have noticed it, he did not play at his best during the 1919 World Series. Testifying before the Grand Jury, Jackson acknowledged that Lefty Williams had informed him of the fix after the second meeting with the gamblers and before the World Series. Jackson furthered testified before the Grand Jury that Chick Gandil had recruited him before the Series started. Jackson understood that the conspiring players were going to receive $20,000 after each game to be split among the players. When no money had been distributed after Game 1, Jackson testified that he asked Gandil what happened. He also testified that he received $5,000 from Williams as part of the fix. This is the link to Jackson's testimony: www.blackbetsy.com/joejackson-1920-grand-jury-testimony-vhof.pdf. There is evidence that Jackson knew about the fix, but did not tell either Kid Gleason or Comiskey. That alone is a perfectly good reason to suspend him for life. But, while Jackson's statements over the years are at best inconsistent, there is evidence that he did not play his best during the World Series, and that he did accept money for the fix.

[@joeylocognato2198]

@@PhiladelphiaBaseballHistory Yes he did. Buck Weaver tried to clear his mame , until he died of a heart attack on January 31, 1956.

[@wvu05]

@@PhiladelphiaBaseballHistory Personally, I'd argue that the fact that fixing games was tolerated means that Jackson and Weaver shouldn't have been punished for not turning their teammates in. The ones like Gandil, I have no sympathy for. I can understand Cicotte wanting revenge after being shut down one win shy of a bonus, but that is no excuse, even if he seemed to want out when he got shortchanged from the gamblers, the damage was done.

[@HankFinkle11]

@@wvu05 Landis had no choice but to make examples of them, including Jackson. Weaver should have been given a one year suspension.

[@wvu05]

@@HankFinkle11 I think a one-year suspension would have been fair. You acknowledge that he did nothing wrong according to the mores of the time, but you show that it can't be that way anymore. If you want to argue that Jackson should have been banned because he took the money (not really sure who he could have given it back to, though), I can accept that argument, but Weaver definitely got the worst injustice of all.

[@joeyheymann2966]

They need to do a newer movie of the 1919 World Series

[@lawrencemarocco8197]

The whole thing comes down to Comiskey's cheapness and abusive treatment of his players.

[@billfelber759]

That's just wrong. Check Eight Myths Out for the facts

[@TheBatugan77]

​@@billfelber759 You're correct. Lawrence (snickering) is clueless.

[@RoofDoctorsJoanne]

No.....the dumbest movie ever....they had a Joe Jackson hitting righthanded