Did Frank Miller Lose his Mind - Comic Tropes (Episode 7)

Chris discusses Frank Miller's cliches and hits a comic book store to buy a random back issue by Miller. Then he reads it and as he comes across each trope, he takes a shot of moonshine.
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[@rossmarshall566]

This was a very good moonshine review. The tangents about comic books felt forced and completely unrelated, though. 10/10

[@moe3235]

Lmao I DEFINITELY wanna try that moonshine now

[@Lazarus1095]

Sometimes I think these videos are nothing more than Chris's excuse for sliding into alcoholism.

[@znightowlz6585]

Lazarus1095 pretty much

[@Ghost-rb5tg]

Nothing wrong with that.

[@markorendas1790]

YEA .. PRETTY MUCH A SICK ADVERT TO GET BOOZED UP. I THOUGHT THE TROPE INCLUDING EATING FRENCH FOODS WAS NEAT. BUT THIS IS EMBARRASSING STUPID IRRELEVANT PATHETIC AND NEIGH DISGUSTING. HERES WHERE MY JOURNEY WITH "TROPES" ENDS. BYE....

[@malcolmalex8745]

@@markorendas1790 lmfaaoooo. You sound super fun at parties. Smh.

[@Glassandcandy]

Mark Orendas are you for real or is this a joke

[@socialmedia4637]

*Still waiting for the day Chris uses cocaine for every trope*

[@ironflyellis3817]

I think coke may explain a lot of Miller's post Hollywood output...

[@wolfthornnholtzklau4913]

Sounds enjoyable.

[@Windwalker88]

Seeing him go on long tangents in a 8 hour long video sounds like a great idea

[@Bustermachine]

Only if the video references Snow Fire

[@poejineapples8717]

cant take anyone serious who says "he brutalised al quaeda members in a mean spirited way" too funny to have a blindspot that huge. what an idiot.

[@Crowley9]

Another Frank Miller trope: Seemingly _random_ words _being_ emphasized at _ridiculous_ frequency. For example, look at Shellie's first word balloon. There's fifteen words emphazised out of 44 total, or one third.

[@benb3316]

Imagine its a TV drama or film noir thing - the dialogue... I think its GREAT, myself...

[@barriolimbas]

​@@benb3316 yeah it's hard boiled noir. Analyzing Miller the same one would do Moore or Morrison doesn't work.

[@josephcamhi5676]

That was probably the letterer, and they used to do that in comics all the time. The theory was to keep the reader alert by not having all the words being written the same way.

[@dreamlandnightmare]

In Linkara' reviews of Frank Miller comics, he emphasizes all the bold words while reading the dialogue and narration. It's hilarious.

[@isabellebread9773]

Yeah I do notice that it throws me off

[@lunastar89]

i lost it when he dropped the jar XD

[@dsandoval9396]

Yeah, I loved how he left it in instead of editing it out. Like he owned it instead of pretending it never happened. A lot of people in the comments act he got shit faced and completely embarrassed himself or something. That was NOT shit faced, that was getting a little loosy goosy. The people that act like he _completely embarrassed himself_ are people that I can only imagine are dry acting life of the partyers at evangelical get-togethers.

[@simplesimon4374]

This comment ruined my surprise. My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.

[@Werrf1]

You forgot it. A trope. You forgot it. You forgot it. There's a *trope.* You *forgot* it. Short sentences. Sentences that repeat. They repeat. The sentences. They're short. They're repeated. You *forgot* it. Crazy Steve would be ashamed.

[@frankbuckwell2348]

^ This comment cures all All-Star Batman and Robin related ailments

[@Rogerbuzmen]

3:38 You numbnuts

[@sobreoqueeugosto4700]

He's the goddamn repeater.

[@evildeathrollnow9765]

“Hi welcome to AA! How’d you start your downward spiral?” “Frank Miller comics”

[@AceLM92]

Sound like somebody read All Star, Strikes Again, or Holy Terror lol

[@fransandersson4717]

@@AceLM92 strikes again wasnt bad it was just mediocre shit

[@tobigrantlbart]

@@fransandersson4717 Strikes Again had the worst art ever existed in Comics, I guess he drew it in MS paint

[@rippersspot]

@@tobigrantlbart There are uglier comics.

[@ConernicusRex]

“Another one”

[@hamsterhotep]

Don't *forget* how he seems to *add* unnecessary *emphasis* throughout his *writing* Safe to overlook I suspect. Otherwise you'd be dead and/or pickled.

[@TheEvilChipmunk]

I was *going* to bring this *exact* point. Thank *you* for *saving* me the *trouble* .

[@Werrf1]

And now I have the Crazy Steve voice stuck in my head again. *Again.* It's *stuck* in my *head.* The Crazy Steve *voice.* It's *stuck.*

[@adamf.charles5857]

I red that with Linkara voice xD

[@someonewhocommentsonyoutub3779]

@@Werrf1 the *goddamn* voice is *stuck* in my *goddamn* head

[@taffysaur]

I think of that as more of a Greg Rucka thing. Never saw Miller’s emphasis as unnecessary, just comicbooky.

[@beastnik13]

Be glad that wasn't real moonshine. You'd have hit the ground halfway through this video.

[@cindyhaefele1600]

I see them sellin it in spirits n im like "no way this the same shit" lol

[@LermaBean]

@@cindyhaefele1600 At least it wasn't made in a car engine...

[@nicto13]

@@LermaBean if you think thats how ya make shine your funny

[@rippspeck]

+Eric Lerma It's made in a tractor engine, as god wills it.

[@nicto13]

@@rippspeckyour funny if you make it that way you WILL go blind no joke thats why you use a copper still just as jesus taught us lol

[@217sherlock]

The thing is, Miller never really understood Batman. His portrayal of an old and tired Batman worked, as well as a Young inexperienced one, but when he tackled the Batman we all knew, he did so terribly. Not only in All Star Batman and Robin, but also in The Dark Knight Strikes again. His mistreatment of Dick only marked him as a Psychopath, no better than the ones he hunted . And that is the thing, even though Bruce Wayne might sometimes feel so, he is not like the villains he chases after. To Miller there was basically no difference

[@SonofSethoitae]

Even Year One is clunky and weird. Some are convinced that the TDKR continuity for Batman was an elaborate parody of the character because everything is so fucked up.

[@dajokahbaby1506]

217sherlock or maybe Miller really did understand Batman, but then he basically went buttfuck insane.

[@qty1315]

Something that I feel a lot of deconstructionist takes on superhero sidekicks get wrong (Brat Pack, Dark Knight Strikes Again, Young Justice) is that they are mainly about the kid sidekicks talking about how their superhero parental figures abused them. The Simpsons accidentally pointed out the flaw in this idea. "Why do I bother being a parent? You spend 18 years raising a child without any idea of what you're doing, spending all of your money on the kid, and in the end you're only reward is an adult who will tell you how badly you screwed them up." Every teenager, superhero sidekick or otherwise, will whine about how their parents screwed them up. You're not saying anything profound by making such a thing the focus of your comic. Instead, how about you show Dick Grayson being a successful business person with a good wife who complains about how badly he was treated by Batman, only to have Alfred correct him and point out every late night training session, every warm meal and every dollar that Bruce Wayne gave him. No, Bruce wasn't a perfect father-figure, but no parent is perfect.

[@HovektheArtist]

@@qty1315 thats where i like the deconstruction of the batfamily post damien, we get great things like dick not hating bruce but batman and what the cowl has done to those around bruce and bruce himself. The idea that dick is proud to be bruces son, but still want to escape from batman and the cowl. And the very poignant line from dick that even got used in the bad blood movie, albeit shortened "bruce wayne is just another mask, just like batman is, and beneath those masks is pain. He doesnt know how to be a parent for the same reason he has trouble being a person, deep inside he is still just a child that never left crime alley. He was a mentor and a father but living with bruce means living alone because nobody can truly get close to bruce, not even himself." Which is dick explaining why he had to leave and get out of the cowls shadow, and why after years of idolizing him, he tries his his best to stay clear of batman

[@alfa01spotivo]

@Ultimate Rodgers not really. Much sweeter and less annoying than generic edgy deconstruction

[@percivalyracanth1528]

"Not a trope, but..." *drinks anyway*

[@bertrandd3813]

Reading his books in order is seeing a brilliant author with some personality issues slowly becoming a somewhat competent author with a lot of personality issues. It's really sad, cause I'm in the group that really enjoys his art style, it's absolutely recognizable and iconic.

[@nottoofast]

@Adone Dude, I've seen a couple of your other comments and.. Do you dislike Chris, or not? You praise him sometimes, but now you call him Communist Tropes, lol

[@nottoofast]

@Adone Uh, okay. That's not what I was talking about lol. I'm asking- If you think Chris is a communist leftist, why do you still watch him, even praising his videos?

[@paulgibbon5991]

@@nottoofast He's a fascist apologist, breaking out the standard whataboutisms that haven't changed from the 1920's. Nothing to see here.

[@thedarkmasterthedarkmaster]

@@nottoofast there is no nuance you must either love someone or hate someone apparently according to you

[@nottoofast]

@@thedarkmasterthedarkmaster Not true lmao. But generally if you think someone's a communist leftist you're not going to like them.

[@kidalex77]

Let's not forget his directorial debut, The Spirit...😥

[@mlo009]

LOL, that was so bad!

[@josegregoriobencomogomez4958]

What amazes me the most about that movie was how much he missed the point of the Spirit character. Denny Colt was a gee-golly, big hearted lug (although with smarts too), a lovable guy who was befuddled and uneasy around women. Miller's take is basically a Sin City antihero running around dressed like the Spirit, a brooding, womanizing meathead with pompous speeches like Darkwing Duck's but trying to be serious instead of comical. For all Miller claims being a friend and disciple of Eisner he didn't get the whole point of the character. We may scoff at Ebony and Sammy, but there's a reason why Eisner's Spirit could pal around with children so much, at heart he had this sort of childlike innocence about him that made him no less tough, but still a big kid at heart. But there's no room for children or innocence in Miller's world. Children are corrupted nd stomped like Dick Grayson (age twelve!) instead.

[@jimmyju76]

Let's try to forget

[@mrcritical6751]

Yeah I’ve seen some comic panels from The Spirit and I gotta ask why he went with the Sin City design? The comics look light hearted and colourful a director like Robert Rodrigues or Edgar Wright could’ve brought the comic panels to life easily with the right tone, instead Frank just turned it into Sin City 2 Featuring The Spirit and a Nazi Sam L Jackson

[@TimKapow]

In the DVD there was an interview with Frank Miller and the guy was just so much up his own ass, I, as I am sure most here are, am a lifelong comic book lover, and sure I enjoy some of Miller's old work. However non comic fans seem to hold him up as a cultural icon more than we do, 300 and Sin City movies I think pretty much have made the cult of Miller so much more real, I think though what stuck out to me in All Star was Frank seemed to be buying into his own cult, TDKR was pretty awesome, the second one not as much but I can forgive that, the third one, is simply sitting on my shelf unread (I am a completist and collector so....🤷‍♂️)

[@Rangersly]

Frank Miller has become a parody of himself. And not in a funny ha-ha way. I too used to worship everything he worked on. His work on Daredevil actually made me very interested in japanese culture and history. When I graduated from high school and was considering a program for university, I hesited between education and east asian studies just to learn more about Japan. His Daredevil run is still the best, the most definitive classic run that influenced every other good runs that came after (Nocenti, Brubaker, etc.). Ronin and Batman Year One at DC was also excellent! Early Sin City is interesting on an experimental level (storytelling, unusual high contrast in black & white).

[@ragnarrok257]

He's not any loonier than bill sienkiewicz. I still like both of their art. FM is a lot like Todd McFarland in the respect that their art and stories really appeal to juvenile males; but when you get more mature you tend to see them for what they are.

[@JR-ju3kj]

Frank Miller essentially reinvented Batman and Daredevil for the modern age and revitalized them. He was riding high for a long time and then as he got older and started to hit a wall creatively, I felt like that was when the bat-s*** craziness really started to come out. I think Frank Miller is a creative genius, just like Alan Moore is but I fully agree that Miller became a parody of himself a long time ago and as the saying goes, there is a thin line between madness and genius, keeping that in mind, I think that Frank Miller lost his mind a long time ago. For years now, I have seen him as being functionally crazy-meaning that he can still function on a day-to-day basis in living his life and that he is mentally disturbed in a way that he isn't a danger to himself or to others.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

@@JR-ju3kj Sounds about right - I think he's mellowed out a bit. I find that to be a semi-predictable cycle for people in general. They do good work when they're younger, then if the good work stops (they hit a wall, fail to reinvent themselves, etc) and they happen to be around middle-age the crisis kicks in like a motherfucker - add personal tragedies like divorces or deaths of friends and family - and they become susceptible to certain tracks of thought that they cling to in order to weather the storm of their middle-age and make sense of the world. If they manage to get through it without addiction or serious mental illness then age itself will mellow them. They may not see why they were clinging to those self-destructive thought patterns but they'll at least be savvy enough not to voice them out loud - personally either one's the same to me.

[@genghisdon1]

agree 100%

[@kungfufudgefinger]

Kept waiting for the but part but ya just kept goin

[@RichardDemsick]

Why wasn’t this video about the later frank Miller and whether he went crazy?

[@michaelokoro5651]

maybe its subliminal on how chris went crazy. hehe he

[@maxmazzotti6651]

Jason Aaron is the modern frank Miller. Jason went from good writer to sloppy

[@shoresean1237]

Since you and Linkara among others have covered where Miller has hit the tropes he's known for, I'll go a different route. Miller never lost his mind. All the things (well, the prostitute character use was amped up a lot as time went by) present in his WTF? stories. The rat diet from All-Star B&R? It's not unthinkable that Stick would have done that to Matt. But back then, it would have been presented as a choice, rather than a kidnapping/assault. IMO, Miller didn't lose his mind, he lost his perspective and he lost his editors. 9/11 was a shaking event, no doubt. But I think at least some used that event to go where their heads were at anyway. By this I do not mean those who actually lost someone to the attack, but those like most of us who just felt that oceanic barrier fade to nothing in a heartbeat. Beyond that, Frank Miller simply became big. Like so many who have, the ability of others to tell them no or to be willing to do so went away, and without an irritant, the oyster can't produce a pearl. George Lucas and the prequels is probably the best example, but I think Miller is a close second. To paraphrase Jeff Goldblum, sometimes, it's not if you can, it's if you should. Frank Miller lost his filter.

[@ComicTropes]

Rob Morris I pretty much agree. Maybe I was too flippant. But he got to a point where he didn’t need to listen to anyone and his work did kind of go off the rails.

[@ragnarrok257]

I think you nailed it Rob. It's the Stephen King syndrome where they hit this level of rock star fame in their genre and their work becomes more and more a bloated mess or gallops all over the place because everyone is afraid to edit their work or provide critical feedback.

[@Changetheling]

A great comment and a great insight on such a particular matter.

[@HobGungan]

Please don't compare George Lucas making three amazing movies as a follow up to three more amazing movies to Frank Miller descending into bigotry and losing what little grasp he had on classic characters.

[@kennysp666]

George Lucas had a lot of help with 4-6. 1-3 are all him and are not anywhere near as good. #HANSHOTFIRST

[@SoftwareAgentsTV]

My favorite contributions that Frank Miller made to the medium of comics were his Daredevil runs. Some cheesiness aside, I though Born Again was a phenomenal storyline.

[@johnlay3462]

Miller was one of the truly great comic book writer/artists, but something happened around the time he did DK2. At that point his work went from innovative brilliance to a parody of itself. As wacky as his behaviour has been, even the great Alan Moore has not fallen as far as Miller has. Holy Terror was violent and pointless and All Star Batman was a sexist, violent, and muddled that squandered some great Jim Lee art. I don't know the whole story of what's going on with Miller, but after seeing his interview from The Spirit movie he directed a few years ago I suspect alcohol might be involved as he was clearly plastered.

[@asher8754]

More literally worships a fake snake god and would probably drink dog dharria to piss off thatcher to this day. Miller is sane by comparison

[@vampazilla2622]

I LOVED IT WHEN THE BOTTLE SLIPPED OUT OF YOUR HANDS! That was priceless! Oh yeah, your videos are cool. I like 'em! Great critique on Frank Miller.

[@terrencecoccoli524]

I really like this 'tropes' line of videos. Quite original and each video is well researched and has tons of information, Keep it up. One of the freshest channels in this genre, for sure.

[@ComicTropes]

Terrence Coccoli Thanks for the kind words. I don't have the money or time to be as polished as some channels but I really do put a lot of time into trying to make something informative and potentially entertaining.

[@terrencecoccoli524]

I think you're doing a bang up job on being both informative and entertaining. Not sure how long your channel has been around, but I think your channel has potential for a lot of growth. Keep it up.

[@Patrickjwalsh1976]

As a U.K. person, Mark Millar’s surname is pronounced the same as Frank Miller.

[@theMoporter]

I'm pretty sure it's pronounced like that so there's no confusion between Mark Millar and Mark Miller

[@roguishpaladin]

The confusion likely comes about because the surname Millar is sometimes pronounced mil-AR by people with that name in the United States (e.g Kevin Millar, a baseball player on the famous 2004 Boston Red Sox - and weirdly enough, that team also had a played named Bill Mueller whose last name IS pronounced the same as Mark Millar and Frank Miller).

[@marqosmarqos1201]

Frank Miller also introduced the Ninjas and the Japanese element to the wolverine limited series in the early1980's.

[@Arnsteel634]

We can never have too many ninja’s

[@matthewharvey3556]

Well, Claremont had already established Wolverine’s connection to Japan prior to that. But yeah, I’m sure that was a factor in Miller’s decision to work on that series, and he surely contributed a lot to the style is how that was done.

[@uchihaedgelord5589]

Something I noticed a lot is how frequen Miller loves to emphasize random words. At least in post-Sin City stories, he emphasizes a _lot_ of _words_ for _no_ reason.

[@paultapping9510]

"You take my sandwich and you get cut man" So relatable

[@mitrooper]

Say...It's Miller time.

[@ScionStorm1]

"I've been drinking, so I will not go driving anytime soon. Instead I'll play some Pokemon Go." LMAO!!

[@lmaolmao5587]

Simpsons City is my favorite Frank Miller series

[@liamforestell6695]

His voice sounds like Meatwad from Aqua Teen Hunger Force 12:13. LOL

[@superioridiot3846]

Liam Forestell Jesus Christ, you're right

[@ghus2046]

That's exactly what I thought the second I heard it.

[@Argonautx66]

My sentiments exactly

[@xaviercolon9124]

God that show is so weird

[@batman91777]

I saw a glimpse of a Mike Mignola Hellboy sketch on 11:36 great collection Chris!!!!

[@somebodyyouknow5290]

Hey, It's Miller time!

[@T.R.R.Jolkien]

Miller’s Daredevil was my starting point of collecting comics. My favorite character since I saw his image on a slurpee cup in 1976. Epic...

[@josephcamhi5676]

The Dark Knight Returns, Daredevil 181, and The Born Again Saga, are three of the greatest comics ever written.

[@mikequinlivan8842]

Even though I am watching this roughly five years after this was done, I am quite certain that this was one hangover for the ages. Oof…

[@xvelvet3247]

If possible, I'd hope to see a vid on James O'Barr, who created The Crow series! His style and artist/story techniques have always sort of inspired me in whatever I make, but that's just me. Anyways, great video, very informative and entertaining; I never see too much on a creator's personal flaws and strengths, as much as their artistic ones.

[@lugaruclone]

James O'Barr is spectacular... one pannel looks like outsider art, somewhat amateurish but dynamic and full of heart... the next will be this stunning anatomical drawing. The Crow is probably one of the most inconsistent comics I've seen and it is literally not a complaint, he pulls off many very different and cool things.

[@youraveragecrownofthorns8919]

This is a bit late, but if you've never watched the bonus interview material by O'Barr on the DVD of the film, you may find it EXTREMELY interesting.

[@VVVHHHSSS]

I love this channel, it's so authentic.

[@benboru9013]

I used to work at Comics Dungeon. Started buying there back in the late 90's, and then worked there for a bit while going to Bellevue College. Great place. I sure miss good old comic shops.

[@Pensive_Scarlet]

"...good flavor. I'm gonna drink some more, why not?" (Several episodes later, GENUINE ABSYNTHE) "...well, we may be living in a simulation, but now I'm one of its designers!"

[@betelguese3909]

Frank Miller and John Byrne both suffered from their gigantic egos. As a result they both sabotaged their own careers.

[@ColbyZcom]

You get a like for breaking the jar. LOL!

[@jayman8752]

That last part was funny af

[@TroyDraws]

When he drops it! Holy crap that was priceless.

[@Reprodestruxion]

Plus what he thinks about Occupy Wall Street and unjustifiably thinks himself as a hardened violent street fighter. That sitting behind a desk is a dangerous profession

[@sargonsblackgrandfather2072]

Oriental Studios why are you so angry buddy?

[@brucejackson6451]

I love listening to this guy. Drunk or sober, I'm there. I used to content myself just knowing EVERYTHING about comics (1960s-70s), but Chris actually gives them serious thought. He's great.

[@luvdady]

To answer the debate it's not ""moonshine"" Its whiskey and a marketing tool for the Gatlinburg area tourism industry. Huge difference between the two. It's only moonshine if it comes out of the radiator of a 76 buick off a creek on a 8th generation family farm by a guy with a nickname that is associated with a woodland critter (possum squirrel woodchuck polecat etc....)

[@MrSomebodyStrange]

But what if he's just Cletus?

[@luvdady]

@@MrSomebodyStrange I'm sure a cletus is a creature of nordic decent

[@darbyandmichaelhanson7652]

Ugh. I lived in Knoxville and when I would go to Gatlinburg or Pigeon Forge all the Tourists saying they got moonshine cracked me up. I always got mine from the back of a tire shop in Newport.

[@gee355Art]

The moonshine idea was awesome :D Loved Frank Miller in the 80's but I also remember Dark Knight Strikes Back :O

[@NemesisMvC]

Still a great watch all these years later

[@jaredt7585]

That moonshine is the weak stuff sold at Wal-Mart and to tourist in Gatlinburg.

[@milocibelli5391]

That's so cool that you went to Comics Dungeon, I go there every once in a while! It's a bit out of the way for me, but they have a lot of good back issues.

[@matthewharvey3556]

He doesn’t usually seem so totally blitzed off of whatever he’s drinking as this time. 😂

[@DamnedSilly]

That's like sipping a Bicardi Breezer and calling it a shot of rum.

[@naheemquattlebaum2267]

Frank Miller's tropes sound like the best anime ever.

[@darkservantofheaven]

I'd watch it

[@ghostdog1758]

This one was funny as hell, wa , wa, whoops goes my favorite drink of the moment. Hillarious!! I remember when guests on the Johnny Carson show would smoke , drink , and just be themselve's. Keep going chris! Your one of the only genuine people , who choose too do comic reviews, thank you.

[@lloydrobert6182]

You're just frickin' awesome, buddy! Funny, knowledgeable, everything a comic book buff would love to know. Great going, love you.

[@BlazingOwnager]

Can I just say the Instrumental version of the servant by the cells used in the Sin City trailer is STILL one of the most awesome songs ever. Back in the old days (the bad days, lol) I searched for like six months to find the original instrumental that wasn't a hacked together version.

[@Bluecho4]

Oh look. It's Miller Time!

[@markletts2000]

This was the best review I've seen on so many levels...😊🇬🇧

[@dieboyandy5150]

Oh my God! This is the funniest things ever! I don't know about taking a shot over EVERY Miller Trope, I'd personally be wasted halfway through the first 3 pages knowing Frank! Good on ya for taking this bullet for us, and everytime you turned the page, I was afraid you'd get alcohol poisoning! So funny!! I LOVE IT!😆🤣😂😆 Let's just be glad you didn't drink for every incomplete sentence in Frank's stories!

[@GhostRydr1172]

I foresee that our host will be wasted before reaching the vid's halfway point. 🤣🤣

[@youngboss2071]

Frank Miller is a genius ,but he is also a madman

[@JR-ju3kj]

Exactly. I always say that about Miller as well as Alan Moore. There is a thin line between genius and madness and those guys crossed that line a long time ago.

[@ghoulking7616]

While I love the stories, sin city to me is what caused him to go downhill. Every main character in every story he wrote became Marv. Batman, the fixer, most male characters were characterized as A big brute who could do anything except talk well. While it’s good to have that character in a story, it doesn’t work for every story.

[@ScratchArkkitehti]

Frank Miller wishes he could write like Alan Moore.

[@AceLM92]

Frank was good then went downhill after 300

[@actlikeaboss2784]

When you dropped the jar 😂 😂

[@nicholasdickens2801]

Batman: Year One is for me one of the best ever Batman stories and by far the best Batman story the 80s and into the 90s. By far the best of Frank Millers art & storytelling. It is impossible to undersell how much it influenced comics and Batman comics in particular - and for how long it influenced them.

[@dougg1075]

Miller and Jansen were like Byrne and Austin, together they were like a super art robot.

[@mosiarmstrong]

Chris's entire gastrointestinal tract was pickled by the time he finished recording.

[@ClarenceDass]

Watching this video late. I love Frank Miller and I particularly love his Batman stories. I feel he makes Batman grounded in a good way and that's by making him a little crazy/ insane. Because you have to be insane to be dressed as a giant bat, fighting crime. That's why I liked his All Star run. The God Damn Batman was awesome.

[@doczooc]

Exactly what I think. Weird that there are so few of us. Also, why does Bruce Wayne not use his company to make Gotham a better place? Like, the "Wayne Enterprises Engineers use some of their spare time to coach youngsters from troubled backgrounds to make good life decisions program"? The city seems to be completely devoid of charity, other than some decades old skytrain that Bruce's father payed for (not Bruce himself). Seems to me Wayne quite likes Gotham as it is, because else, he could not be Batman.

[@MutantsInDisguise]

@@doczooc fiction, bro, fiction, not real life.

[@capnmo6718]

0:21 - I know that’s a popular talking point, but I think it’s nonsense. Miller didn’t redefine Batman. O’Neil redefined Batman. Miller simply followed that blueprint.

[@MutantsInDisguise]

This! As much as TDKR is good (not excellent like everybody thinks), it wasn't what saved Batman from oblivion.

[@TheChinatownkid]

You missed one important trope, for whatever the reason, Frank Miller has a homeless woman pushing a shopping cart full of cans. Shows up in most of his works and even showed up in Robocop 2.

[@mclovin6829]

*Drinks during every trope* *Is drunk by page 3*

[@choochman]

12:15 that is a really good meatwad impression. props 👏🏻👏🏻

[@reecerife7839]

Good episode! But to get the real moonshine experience, find some illegal batches. 100% full proof will knock your lights out.

[@ErisRising]

Chris: I'm going to take a shot of moonshine for every trope! Me: I'm going to watch someone die today.

[@presterjohn71]

Way too many of my childhood comic book heroes turned out to have feet of clay. Ditko, Miller, Adams, Moore and Byrne to name just a few.

[@BLOODCHROMEDESIGN]

presterjohn71 It’s because like the rest of us, they’re only human

[@boot_leg_ramen_noodle]

Yes, so sad to see

[@fightingmedialounge519]

Judging from how many tropes I see in his good and bad works, it seems like he just grew more comfortable to show his crazy over time.

[@Cavirex]

About his Islamophobia, racism, etc. I spoke to a famous comic book artist who's a long time friend of his since the early days (I'll keep him anonymous), and he told me that he was influenced very negatively by his former girlfriend.

[@shaggyjebus]

I'm watching this in 2021, and the answer is yes - Frank Miller did lose his mind.

[@lutherheggs451]

well maybe its less that he lost his mind and more that he decided to let out his inner racist

[@angelusb2066]

Shockingly he's started apologizing for how insensitive he was about his takes on people from the middle east. However it doesn't excuse the racism but he has disavowed holy terror

[@petesala1]

I play this at 50% speed, thats when the moonshine really shows. 😎

[@curtisrodriguez938]

Your drunken dubbing was pricelessly hysterically funny!

[@jbutler5600]

First off I’d like to say, “How dare you!!!” Secondly, “Thank you “ hahaha

[@theajshow]

This is one of the funniest, most ridiculous ones you have ever done! I love it!

[@ComicTropes]

Thanks AJ.

[@Peachgorillafit]

This is hysterical! I’m a little concerned for your health at this point though.

[@azuretiger-kfpmarketingstr6018]

To be honest, never really got into Frank all that much. Part of this is probably being raised during the Satanic Panic and my Mom basically banning most things that were cool at the time. It really wasn't until the 90s when she let up and started letting me get X-Men comics when the show was popular that I started getting more into it. Then by the time I was able to get a job and buy my own his popularity had started to wane. I remember a friend recommending TDKR and me going "meh". So I was never really enamored with the guy. I did see some of the movies based of his work(Sin City being one), so I can see where the appeal is. However, I can also see where he went off the rails. It's basically the super macho stuff, people just didn't really think much of it in the eighties, which makes sense. I think what happened is that Miller was always that way, it's just that post Millennium a lot of people moved on and he didn't. He isn't alone though, it seems more than a few action stars from the 80s and 90s have sort of went a little weird as well. Now a little a bit of that is fine(80s action movies are stills some of the best ever made), but everything in moderation. Too much testosterone does strange things to the brain.

[@ekaaaaaans]

You call Frank's hatred for the likes of Al-Qaeda ugly "Islamophobia"....I call hatred of Islamic terrorists "entirely appropriate". So yeah, our mileage varies about as much as humanly possible.

[@joebagodonuts5468]

My god that's genius. Using a KZbin channel to mask your alcoholism. Genius!!!

[@lucasbookfield4000]

I love how he portrays the media in DKSA. He really brought packed the pulp in that one.

[@kuldas9299]

Holy shit! I lost it when you broke the bottle!

[@Rometiklan]

HahA! Love Miller's 80s and 90s stuff. Never followed any of his stuff afterwards. Awesome vid. But you got 1 dislike. Must have been Frank, lol. Keep up the great work!

[@markwilburn1218]

Wow he really got sloshed in this one! Granted, I've had that apple pie moonshine and it doesn't take much to go over the top LMAO

[@GabyGeorge1996]

Comics dungeon in Seattle! I used to live about a mile away from that, down by the waterfront. I’d walk there constantly and buy comics from there!

[@davidmendez5933]

I am not going to be driving. Instead i am gonna play some Pokémon GO, just gonna drunkenly wonder around the neighborhood.

[@elwiz1967]

This is an underrated episode 😊 kudos comictropes, Love the channel!🖤

[@DrPluton]

I had read All Star Superman and was excited for All Star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder. I read the first issue and regretted it. I read the second issue and said, "That's not Batman." I did not read any more issues.

[@mbjbeats8192]

that was more than a sip 😅

[@soren4158]

I met frank miller on Saturday at comic con and got some of his Xerxes stuff signed

[@cjhepburn7406]

Is that movie/book out yet?

[@Me4u2c42]

Hahahahaha hahahahaha him saying “it’s so tasty too” reminded me of I love Lucy vitameatavegamin. It’s so tasty too. Hahahahaha lol

[@kaksikymmenta3]

He was always insane and extreme in his views.

[@BloodylocksBathory]

Good choice to drink moonshine, I think alcoholism is a big part of what's gone wrong with Frank Miller. Not all of what's wrong, but...

[@icantthinkofaname1009]

The Sin City trailer music at the comic shop part was a nice touch

[@jarosbodytko6462]

I never liked Frank Miller. Granted, Batman: Year One is a great comic. But I never, not once, understood why people thought so highly of The Dark Knight Returns. I absolutely despise that story that many call a classic, or the 'best Batman story ever'. And after reading it I never touched another Frank Miller story. Glad I didn't because it apparently just got worse and worse.

[@glitchygear9453]

I bought it because I loved Watchmen, and Dark Knight Returns is often lumped in with Watchmen as "the two most influential comics of the decade". I finished the first chapter and noped out.

[@drebodollaz3504]

you’re missing out, ronin, daredevil, sin city... all great stories

[@castironchaos]

Worth mentioning: ELEKTRA: ASSASSIN. Possibly Miller's weirdest, wildest, greatest, most surreal, "WTF is going on but this is F'N GREAT!" work, accompanied by some of Bill Seinkiewicz' craziest artwork.

[@flapjack6495]

not gonna lie i really want moonshine now