Did Killers of the Flower Moon Just Bomb? - Charts with Dan!

[@rochesterproducers8847]

Was not expecting the ending where all the portals opened and prior Scorsese film characters emerged for the final battle. And they were all pretty much Robert DeNiro.

[@amanms1999]

An army of De Niro and DiCaprio characters 😂

[@JosephReviewsFilm]

DeDi's Assemble!

[@mike9512]

How dare you, sir.

[@johncra8982]

the AI-generated recreation of Ray Liotta calling out to Ernest and going "on your left" was very tastefully done, if I may say so myself 🤌

[@MandosCulture]

I thought this was a spoiler and got sad then I noticed.... 😂😂😂

[@LeninhawkD]

Dan: "What would happen if you adjust for inflation?" Audience: *chanting* "ADJUST! ADJUST! ADJUST!"

[@rochesterproducers8847]

HIT THAT BUTTON!

[@metallicnole4514]

Can anyone tell me the importance of adjusting for inflation? Anytime I’ve asked this no one has an answer

[@Sarbury12]

@@metallicnole4514 it gives you a sense of the popularity of a movie regardless of time period. Without adjusting, the assumption would be that the most popular movies ever were all released in the past 5-10 years. Adjusting paints a picture of a movies impact in its release. Without adjusting, you might think Barbie and Titanic were on the same level of popularity.

[@twincast2005]

​@@metallicnole4514Well, it is exponentially more important, the farther you go back, due to the compounding nature of inflation. There were times when you could buy _a lot_ with a single dollar. The studios never even mention it, even when a new blockbuster beats out the modern cinema, because none of them stand a chance of ever beating the films released in Hollywood's golden age before they had to compete with TV, VHS, video games, and now streaming. Luckily for them, we don't have weekly data for those, only total grosses, and the heavy front-loading on opening weekend is a very recent phenomenon. Anyway, there are essentially three things the adjusted numbers tell us: How much the studios made by today's standards. A rough estimate on how many tickets were sold comparatively (although this is actually skewed in favor of newer movies, as in recent decades the prices for film tickets rose well above general inflation - not as much as US comic books, but still very notably so). And at least in theory a guide to how much of their money percentage-wise people on average have been spending on film tickets (but due to stagnant wages, in practice the unadjusted numbers are actually more relevant for this one, particularly for the last twenty years in the US).

[@LeninhawkD]

@@metallicnole4514 It puts older films into today's dollars to more accurately gauge their financial success (and deduce actual attendance) compared with contemporary titles for greater context.

[@Bookster95]

The way Dan said “The Departed” 😂😂😂

[@TruthSeekr2662]

De Potted. LOL

[@continentalquilt7801]

Sounds like an Australian!

[@heatheraggus7501]

That's the correct way.

[@vincenthalfprice9930]

The Depahted.. That's how they say it in South Baahston

[@7MonarC]

I noticed that too! After that, he was saying the R sound just fine 😂

[@uekernas]

Let’s appreciate that KOTFM has already surpassed Expend4bles at the (domestic) box office!

[@heatheraggus7501]

There's hope for humanity yet

[@siriusgray]

How can there be any reasonable expectation of a $200 million budgeted movie being profitable when it’s rated R and almost 3 hours and a half? The math isn’t mathing

[@Samuel-p17]

A film like Deadpool or Passion of the christ could maybe do it, but there's no chance a movie like Killers of the flower moon would ever make a profit. But I don't think Apple expected that. They want Awards for their service.

[@theonceandfuture2610]

It’s living on the past of Scorsese, hr should never get $200 million ever again. But the last vestige was apple because no one else (sans amazon maybe) will ever give him that much money again

[@anthonysonaty7332]

This is a streaming back movie. Know what your talking before you open you mouth. Make it's money on apple TV Plus

[@danielchilton9056]

It wasn't intended to be profitable, it was for Apple TV. The reason Apple spent so much is because it was money they would had to pay in tax anyway.

[@unimpressedalchemist]

It'll make a decent amount on physical sales and rentals and streaming

[@kstepko]

Congratulations on your upcoming wedding, Dan and Mara! I can’t wait to see you do your classic ‘heart tap’ wearing a brand new wedding band!

[@notchuckproductions5029]

Scoresse's movies have rarely made any money, a lot of them were disappointments box office-wise; Ragging Bull, King of Comedy, After Hours, Kundun, Hugo, Silence, New York, New York, Bringing Out the Dead all were box office disappointments to flops. The reason why Studios invest in Scoresse is for Award season, ancillary market , and Repertory screenings.

[@metallicnole4514]

So it's not good business to give him such a bloated budget of $200 million.

[@stephennootens916]

And now he announced his next film is going to be The Wager so you know that is going to be another big movie. Than he promised the Pope he do a movie about Jesus so that might not be a cheap movie.

[@anthonymartensen3164]

​@metallicnole4514 yes but he deserves to be able to make a film at the size he wants at this juncture of his career. Not every director can command that, but if anyone can, it's him.

[@KilliK69]

they didnt cost 200m either.

[@metallicnole4514]

@@anthonymartensen3164 He can make whatever movie he wants. But it's damn foolish for a studio to just give him a blank check for an inflated budget. Respect don't mean shit where money is concerned. That's business.

[@rc06109]

Besides Glass Onion, it has already made more than any Netflix film. At least Apple knows theatrical releases are important.

[@ssssssstssssssss]

I wish people would not support what is essentially a glorified straight to video company that hates cinema

[@stephennootens916]

That is true. I was able to see it which I can't say I could do any major Netflix movie. They are barely in theaters and when they are it is only a small handful of theaters. While Apple is planning the movie with a respectable run in the theater.

[@kotchapakmaneechote2062]

I love it when Apple distributes films theatrically and not just VOD.

[@maddcat33]

My mother in law who speaks Tamil was extremely confused when I told her we went to see the new Leo movie on Saturday. Took us a bit to figure out we were referring to separate movies 😂

[@gtaquizmaster]

Lol lol

[@MikeHudspeth]

I’m so glad you called out the disappointing box office for Killers of the Flower Moon. It gets frustrating seeing cinefiles be so lenient with some movies just because they like the director.

[@NoCreamedCorn]

People can claim that it has to do with dwindling attention spans, and maybe, but those actors and that director have aging fan bases, strong cinephile bases who want to see the entire movie, and not have to leave the theater for a bathroom break.

[@heatheraggus7501]

It's true, their fan base is aging...but new fans should be discovering scorcese. He's timeless!

[@davidbatista3457]

exactly...I want to enjoy these movies at my own pace. Sitting for 3 and a half hours straight in an uncomfortable position sucks.

[@josephblasko26]

Enen when I was 18 I didn't want to sit for 3 plus hours Ina theater. Even most comedies are over 2 hours now it's ridiculous

[@FaydOgolon]

Yeah, I had to get up twice for bathroom breaks, but I didn't feel like I missed anything.

[@NoCreamedCorn]

I don’t know why directors, studios, and exhibitors are all so anti intermission.

[@kstepko]

I was hoping that studios would do re-releases of classic or hit movies during the strike to keep revenue coming in. While we can pretty much stream anything we want at home, that would appeal to those who really enjoy or appreciate the theatre experience.

[@davidpyott3710]

I'd love that If more cinema's had one old school film a week I'd go every week I've now become part of the demographic that can't be arsed to go to the cinema anymore 😢

[@XEllERFC]

Ugh thanks a lot Dan. I’ve been replaying the Crash N Sane Trilogy trying to platinum all the time trials and was up all night until I finally beat the hardest time trial in Crash 1 (The Lab). I just woke up and was deciding if I should take a break from crash, decided I needed one, clicked on your video, and now I have to play crash instead

[@EspionageofNY]

Thanks for highlighting the Enzian!!!!! I love this place. It’s one of my favorite spots to see moves. I remember ever film I’ve seen here.

[@donnyconnelly8588]

I loved the Killers of the Flower Moon book. Saw the movie this weekend, and I'm not a huge Scorsase fan. Overall I liked the movie. Wish it moved at a slightly faster pace.

[@lydia1634]

Five Nights at Freddy's being a hybrid release makes sense from a marketing perspective. There is a huge following on KZbin that tracks the lore, does deep dives into the series of games, and is completely fueled by this multimedia franchise (it has games and books). Releasing it on streaming means those KZbinrs can analyze the movie and do deep dives and have lots of video content, which will drive up their audience to see the movie so they can follow along and be part of the conversation. It makes a ton of sense.

[@MysteryMii]

No, it means that Universal is still desperate to get people to sign up to Peacock by any means necessary. I wouldn’t be shocked if this ends up being extremely front-loaded after opening night, given how previous day-and-date releases have performed.

[@MrShaunhunter]

Never did I think this film was gonna make any money whatsoever

[@travissmith6380]

Thank you for always being Honest Dan.The amount of people I've heard say this movie wasn't supposed to "Make Money" is ridiculous. Some of whom spent the better part of the summer dunking on all the "Big Budget Studio Flops"

[@Hexadecimal_QueenofChaos]

Scorsese fans are fighting for their lives to defend this box office disaster, now moving the goalposts to insist that Apple is thrilled to lose money and have egg on their face meanwhile, according to them, Apple's ultimate unknowable plan of all plans was to burn 200 million for the potential for some Oscar noms. Had this been any other film by any other director they would've pounced to clown and meme it to oblivion. Perhaps part of the 200 million was spent on paid reviews and shills to defend this BOMB online.

[@Raamsheld]

How does a relatively straightforward drama cost $200M to make? The problem is the cost much more than the story. Still, it should have been 2.5 hrs max.

[@simplyrowen]

I was thinking the same thing. The movie doesn’t look expensive either. I think there’s a good and tighter 2 hour movie in there , 2.5 max. The pace dragged a bit for me.

[@A-ro-2803]

That’s a great question.

[@Football__is__life-k]

Most of would have gone in giving money to those big actors😂

[@SylviusTheMad]

These streaming services might fund these prestige movies because it improves their negotiating position with other projects.

[@punxsydawn]

Top tier pronunciation of departed

[@benjamintillema3572]

I would say that the awards season has started in earnest with Killers of the Flower Moon being released (and movies like Anatomy of a Fall slowly gaining theaters). With that in mind it would be intersting to see if the "Oscar bump" even exists anymore. Everything Everywhere All At Once, for instance, only made a fraction of its earnings post nominations. It seems to me that spending millions of dollars campaigning is no longer financially sensible.

[@ASG-nm4cz]

IMO Nolan has more buzz (esp theater buzz) than Scorsese. His movies, based on special effects, are considered to be more "you gotta see this in theaters" compared to home/streaming.

[@vincenthalfprice9930]

That's disappointing, given the fact that Killers of the Flower Moon was an engrossing film to watch and a great theatrical experience, whereas Oppenheimer was loud and kinda dull and three months after seeing it, I don't remember much about it.

[@nms7872]

Nolan is also more popular. Scorsese is a legend in a film history whose name will be etched by film historians and film fans. He is one of the most recognizable directors but recognition does not always transfer to actual commercial success. Nolan movies are more audience friendly

[@nms7872]

​@@vincenthalfprice9930that is super anecdotal. Oppenheimer was super memorable by the account of the large majority of people who saw it

[@jeffnicholas6342]

Yay! The Enzian theater has been a staple here in Central Florida since I was a kid! I remember seeing a ton of late nineties Indie Darlings there

[@aworte3266]

I hadnt seen any promotional material until a week ago

[@LordGalvator76]

Nearly fell over when Dan said the name of a theater that’s 20 minutes from where I work. Thanks for highlighting a really cool theater, Dan!

[@EleventhCubFan]

If it wasn’t made by Apple, it would definitely be a flop with that budget.

[@Erasureeraser]

Good thing that Apple came in after Paramount was concern about the budget

[@andreacalvillo353]

It's is still a flop just one apple might be willing to take if it can get award wins

[@supersleepygrumpybear]

Good thing Apple made ~$20 billion last quarter. June 2023. In profit. They'll be fine. Apple TV is also looking to be the best streaming service this year too. Too bad I personally can't stand Apple products... If it weren't for their overpriced computers, I might've actually gotten their streaming service 🤣😂

[@trevorriches136]

@@supersleepygrumpybearfor $5 per month, their streaming service is really great, and you don’t have to have one of their devices to view their content. :)

[@metallicnole4514]

It's still a box office flop. Doesn't matter if apple can tank the damage.

[@hothotheat3000]

The Boston accent when you said The Depahhhhted🤣

[@kevhayden6506]

Living in Orlando, love the shout out to the Enzian. Its a beautiful theater for our city.

[@skkahl3400]

The reason I'm hesitant to see Killers of the Flower Moon is the length. I saw Oppenheimer several times, but I'm not sure I can sit through KotFM without having to run to the bathroom before the end.

[@nms7872]

Did you see Avatar 2? Killers is less than half an hour longer than Oppenheimer If you saw Oppenheimer several times that means you probably spent almost or over 10 hours in the theatre for it

[@TheFiftyQuid]

80's baby. I was born in the 70's. I remember watching Tough Guys over and over again. Great final scene with the train. You should give it a watch.

[@jC-kc4si]

History of Violence graphic novel was written by the creator of Judge Dredd. He's been trying to get his Button Man property made into a film for a few decades now.

[@vincentbatten4686]

Movies only staying in theaters for a week or two makes it complicated to go and see a movie. Who has the time to go see every movie they might want to see on opening weekend? I wanted to go see Outlaw Johnny Black, but I only had two weeks to see it in which I was busy and it just disappeared.

[@ladyeowyn42]

Indeed. We have to find a babysitter, so we miss A LOT of films we’d like to see in theaters.

[@davidpyott3710]

So true

[@765kvline]

The Writers' Strike cast a major shadow over the potential marketing for this movie. Subservient actors and other associated film producers did not take an active role in promoting the film with television interviews, advertising and other sales provisioning. Because the major actors were silent during the strike, this was a major problem. The film is long, but very good. The retinue of great acting talent peppering the film left nothing to be desired where quality and commitment was concerned. Over time, this film will command respect and there will be some positive revisionist reviews to drive further attention to it. I predict it will be a classic.

[@jim1242]

What Killers of the Flower Moon might have going for it, is that unliked the typical Superhero movies that are often front loaded, it could had long legs through the month of November. It will be competing against the Mavrels and the new Hunger games that either are not the same audiance or are likely to struggle too.

[@Football__is__life-k]

Why do you bring superhero genre everywhere?? I mean non- superhero genre film earn billions too. The thing is that people don't prefer to watch Boring movies like Martin sor... Movies in theatres.

[@joneau261]

“Taylor Swift isn’t cinema”

[@Amanwatchingyou95]

True though, just trash

[@MsZeeZed]

A movie is a movie, concert movies are a standard type of “documentary”. The goal as always is to make more money than you spent making it. Its just rare for a concert movie to make such a significant chunk of change.

[@Hexadecimal_QueenofChaos]

😂Marty wants to go after Taylor but he is too scared to incur the wrath of her rabid fans. He will blame Marvel instead.

[@TheOtherMJ_76]

The “Swifties” will come for him. 😂

[@haydengarinduchesne9269]

To be fair it was done with streaming in mind it was only originally supposed to have a limited release and then released to Apple TV

[@oklaclarinet]

Just so you are aware, if it doesn't open closer to you, Anatomy of a Fall is playing in OKC this weekend.

[@Pineapple21021]

The "Dehpahted" 😂

[@MysteryMii]

While I do understand that KOTFM is likely to lose a lot of money for Apple in the end, at least they went with a wide theatrical release before streaming instead of dropping straight to Apple TV+ or doing a Netflix-style limited theatrical release before streaming, as the amount of money they might lose in the end won’t be as bad as if they went with one of those other options. That being said, this is only the first wide theatrical release Apple has done, so we’ll see how they go from here with the other two wide theatrical releases they currently have planned in the coming months.

[@slc2466]

Right, when "The Irishman" was release, I and a couple friends had to make sure to get to the theater fast, because it was in-and-out of theaters so quickly. I didn't understand with a such big budget why it wasn't left in theaters for a few weeks, especially with all the great reviews the film received.

[@MysteryMii]

@@slc2466At least with KOTFM it’ll be in theaters for longer than The Irishman was.

[@davidpyott3710]

One day KOTFM will make back all of its money. One day....

[@dkelly26666]

@@davidpyott3710 It's at 120 million, now, and will be north of 140 million after next weekend (that is worldwide grosses). It started slow and appears to be a slow, steady earner, rather than a big giant opening weekend type of film. If they'll not put it on streaming yet, and leave it out a few more weeks, it may well get pretty close to earning its budget back. Further, then putting it on Apple for streaming will likely see streaming subscriptions spike, and there is already word that physical media may be forthcoming , as well. Criterion is apparently pushing for it. This is all for a title that originally was just going to AppleTV and that's it. They didn't expect to make its money back. The wide theatrical release was an afterthtought. Plus, it's so very good that it will still be watched, discussed and studied many years from now. So this 'flop' stuff is irrelevant.

[@slc2466]

You mention awards season, which could help KOTFM some, especially if it ends up winning big at the Oscars and is still around in theaters, or is re-released afterwards. Don't see any way it's going to come close to breaking even, though. And on a side note, I love the way Dan says "The Departed."

[@grandmoffporkins]

Honestly, I didn’t even realize KOTFM was getting a wide theatrical release. Their marketing may have said so but placing the Apple Originals logo so prominently (or the mere fact of having their logo present like any studio, but the vastly different association) led me to assume it was a digital-first release. I wonder if I’m not alone in that.

[@geeninebee]

I'm part of the international audience, and I went to see the movie Killers of the Flower Moon this weekend. Second week since release, and there were less than 10 people in the theatre. To be truthful it was at midday, so maybe more people would come in the afternoon or evening. I enjoyed the movie on the same level as Oppenheimer, both kept me in my seat and focused on the movie. Maybe Barbenheimer boosted the interest for Oppenheimer more.

[@Football__is__life-k]

Openheimer was like big movie of the year and Their cast and Director were more famous than this movie cast and directors

[@motherplayer]

One thing that can be said is that regardless of things, Killer of The Flower Moon may way more in this weekend than "The Irishman"'s entire engagement on Netflix and limited releasing. There is an audiences there, one way or another, that does like coming to see even a drama from a well known name.

[@SamPinnelas]

Thanks for showcasing the Enzian! That’s my hometown theater that made me love movies in the first place

[@WolfRamAndHart]

Haha...The "De-pahted" Boston accent at 13:55 was pitch perfect.

[@ntcnetwork9934]

I really liked Killers, BUT, financially speaking, what were they thinking?

[@mhawang8204]

Nothing. I seriously doubt that Apple wants to make money with this film. Scorcese's work have never been blockbusters. I think they're going for the prestige, and this is a story that needs to be told.

[@kristingoree7105]

I thought I saw an ad on FB saying a Haunting in Venice would be on Disney+ on Oct 31.

[@Sonic_Fable]

I LOVE THE ENZIAN! My favorite theater in all of Florida. Great food and service. Deserves the love

[@jackson857]

As someone who went and saw Oppenheimer in theatres and won't be watching Killers of the Flower Moon in theatres I can say that runtime is a big issue for me. Yes Oppenheimer is 3 hrs long but KotFM is 26m longer and for me that's a big difference. I haven't seen the movie but I don't understand why it needs to be that long. For example the Napoleon movie's theatrical cut is only going to be 2hrs 40m and that has a lot more stuff to cover. They also need to start adding intermissions to movies if they are 3hrs+. Oppenheimer also felt more like an event film that you needed to see in the theatre, in IMAX because that's what Nolan gives you. Although KotFM looks beautifully made it doesn't scream "watch on biggest screen possible".

[@strawberrylime33]

Planning a wedding is a lot of work!😊 Good luck! But it's fun too!

[@OrionInSpace]

By today's standards, yes KOTFM is a flop with that $200 million budget. However by Martin Scorsese standards I would say not necessarily, it's his third yet nearly second best opening ever. I think if the movie had been made for WAY lower of a budget, say around the same as what Shutter Island was, it might have been a massive success. Apple being the distributer doesn't have to worry too much, Martin is the kind of guy that will still make a movie people like even if it's not the most profitable one.

[@craxyman9025]

A flop is a flop. Stop it

[@OrionInSpace]

@@craxyman9025 tell me you didn't read my comment by telling me you didn't read my comment

[@craxyman9025]

@@OrionInSpace I definitely did. This film is a flop by Scorsese standards and by any other standard. And you said this is nearly his second best opening yet while the video clearly shows that it's his 4th best when adjusted for inflation. Stop it.

[@OrionInSpace]

@@shavon oh dude absolutely I don't think people truly understand how DAMAGING the actors and talent involved not promoting ad marketing the film is. When you don't have these talk shows and interviews and what not it really hurts it. As a marketing student believe me I know.

[@OrionInSpace]

@@craxyman9025 I literally said the word nearly but I guess you don't know what that means. I guarantee had this movie had better marketing from an actor perspective to promote it then it would've been his second highest. The fact that the man for the kinds of movies he makes can make that much money is pretty good. I even said the movie was a flop but again you didn't read what I said.

[@wolfgangdarkly]

Dan, break down how much from the Apple products I purchased was funded into the budget of flower moon. That’ll be cool. Loved the picture.

[@reidatherton7743]

When I hear about Fathom Events I'm reminded of seeing Never Surrender, a top-quality movie about Galaxy Quest. Highly recommended

[@PlanetMichael_YT]

Graphic request: can you add the budget number along with Week gross and Total?

[@benjamintillema3572]

Not all studios post their budgets and it's a lot harder to verify than box office numbers. Most are just approximations anyway.

[@PlanetMichael_YT]

Oh, thanks. I didn’t know the info wasn’t always available. I guess Dan does usually say something like “reported budget.”

[@edwardwinryfan1]

Love the shirt dan!

[@JustAtt421]

How could you not mention Martin Scorsese's connection with the Woodstock documentary? Such a great built in transition. Thanks for the numbers as always.

[@jasonraschen1109]

Another great Charts episode Dan! That’s an amazing Box Office Flashback Top 5. I saw “Tough Guys” on VHS after it’s theatrical run. Yes, I’m that old. No, it’s not that good.

[@ItsJustJess269]

Maybe they should have waited to release killers of the flower moon in November instead of the scary October Halloween season 🤔 Excited to see Five Nights at Freddy's this weekend in Dolby❤

[@AhBeeDoi]

Anatomy of a Fall was an excellent movie. I hope you get to enjoy it soon.

[@sams2871]

I don’t think Apple is expecting to recoup their money for Killers of the Flower Moon.

[@johnnolan5579]

Anatomy of a Fall is terrific. Go Dan, GO!

[@u8alldx]

Thanks 😻

[@MichaelWutsch]

Dvd, bluray, and digital sales for the taylor swift movie are going to be insane

[@adamjohnson1691]

I saw the 2019 Oscars and a 20th Anniversary screening of Blair Witch Project at the Enzian. Wonderful theater and a home of the Florida Film Festival!

[@Marcus616]

To be honest, I’m waiting for every film to come out on streaming. I used to love the theater experience, but it’s not the same anymore. So, if I’m somewhat interested in watching a movie, I will wait for streaming. It’s cheaper and if the movie is not as good, I don’t lose out on spending money. This year, I’ve only gone to the theaters twice, both times to see Scream 6 and only because I’m a huge fan of the franchise (even then I could have watched it three or four times in theaters, but I’ve already knew it would be on streaming in a few months so didn’t). Every other movie, I’ve waited for streaming. With price tickets so high, and unless you’re only paying for yourself then I have to be really excited to go see a movie in theaters. Otherwise, I’m waiting for streaming.

[@stealintomorrow]

Agree! Also, as movies are getting longer I find that if I watch them in a theater I will end up with a migraine, so it's better to watch on streaming at home. Personally I really cannot break the 2.5 hour length in the theater without feeling like crap.

[@joegreene7619]

I mostly go to the theater for two reasons these days. 1. A blockbuster that needs to be seen on a giant screen with great audio (MI-7, Guardians 3, Barbie). 2. A smaller film, either a true indie or something like A24, that will likely be worth the matinee price ($6.50 currently) that my favorite local theater charges all day Tuesday. Anything other than that and I'm streaming it if I have time. The exception is if something is getting a release for a anniversary or other milestone that I haven't seen in theaters before.

[@Marcus616]

@@stealintomorrow Also, if the movie is not as good as expected you can always stop it and resume at a later time or day without spending any money.

[@Marcus616]

@@joegreene7619 I agree. I wanted to see MI-7 and Oppenheimer in theaters but funds were tight. Especially when there’s a blockbuster every week nowadays instead of like before where blockbusters would be an event with smaller budget films released throughout the year. Now, it’s like I have to carefully pick which movie I’m willing to pay to see in theaters or could wait for streaming. Also, with streaming you have the comfort of being at home and not dealing with disruptive audiences and you can buy way more snacks and food for cheaper. You can also pause the movie if you need to take a bathroom break without missing a scene. And when the movie is finished, no need to commute back home.

[@Banquet42]

I am loving Dan's pronunciation of 'The Departed'.

[@hectormanuel8360]

I am in Seminole County Florida. 22mins away from the Enzian.

[@AnyRoadRichard]

Lets Goooooooo! I still say "No worries" based on Crocodile Dundee.

[@Mr.Lord.]

The dephhaaaarted😂

[@Sarbury12]

KILLERS vs. OPPENHEIMER Concept: Oppenheimer is a simple sell to the masses. Biopic. Oppenheimer. Atomic bomb. You get it in 5 seconds, and it denotes spectacle. Killers is more novelistic, more complex and harder to translate to prospective audiences. And as cinematic as it may be, the concept can sound like something you see at home. Length: that extra 26 minutes makes a big difference. Not for showtimes (whatever just throw it in a bunch of screens) but for audience commitment. We’re talking nearly 4 hours. Think the difference between Godfather 1 & 2. Both are great but you feel that length with 2. Scorsese is one of our greatest directors, and has been getting massive budgets for difficult subjects for decades. Some are great. Some are a bore. Some make money (Wolf). Some lose a ton (Gangs). All are indulgent- not a criticism just an analysis. Nolan is much more of a populist, also not a criticism. He was inspired by James Bond, Indiana Jones. So even his more serious movies- Oppenheimer, Dunkirk, Interstellar- they’re much easier sells to the masses. Haven’t seen Killers yet, I hope to in a theater but we have an 18-month-old and another on the way. Which there ya go, another gross suppressor, I would love to go see it but that is a big commitment for a 2 working parent household. Last thing on Scorsese- I love how much he beats the drum for Cinema, but between this and Irishman, JUST ADMIT IT MAN, YOU’RE MAKING MINISERIES!

[@uekernas]

Yes, Oppenheimer is the closest analogy to KOTFM, but it’s far from a perfect comparison, and Nolan’s films have historically had much broader popular appeal than Scorsese’s. KOTFM is also, for lack of a better expression, a much more feel-bad film than Oppenheimer, even though I think it’s the greater artistic achievement.

[@jmanakajosh9354]

Dan breaks *Betteridge's law of headlines* in an incredible display of movie revenue knowledge!

[@Reject101Personal]

In regards to this week in history, The Colour of Money was also the inspiration for the name of the video game series, Doom

[@Fuuntag]

I think it could recoup in the long term and as part of streaming packages but as it stands, there just isn’t enough of an audience & environment for this type of endeavour to recoup upfront, good bad or otherwise. 🤷‍♂️

[@Samuel-p17]

Apple made two movies like that this year. Scorsese got Killers of the flower moon and Scott got Napoleon.

[@MysteryMii]

Then again, Napoleon has a budget that’s $70 million lower than KOTFM AND is being released during a holiday weekend.

[@drsteele]

Tough Guys is legendary in the UK - it was half way through a showing when it was yanked off for coverage of the start of the 1991 Gulf War.

[@rac1061]

I understand period pieces can be expensive and the onscreen talent isn’t cheap but judging from the trailers, idk why this film cost 200 million to make

[@mark2graves-movies689]

I look forward to the Independent Theater feature every week 👍🏻👍🏻🎥🎞️

[@darthpandinus1746]

Dan Murrell, You don't remember but Paul Hogan was in commercials for Australia in the years before Crocodile Dundee came out.

[@confucius25]

thank you dan

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

I liked KOTFM but my god, what a perfect example of a creator's point of focus being to the movie's detriment. Same thing happened with Once Upon A Time In Hollywood. I didn't really expect that from Scorsese. I definitely expected it from Nolan, but Oppenheimer had a perfect focus.

[@TVandManga]

Great video Dan!

[@praveenust7598]

I saw LEO on the opening night. I was excited for Dan to talk about it in his charts since it made it to top 5 weekend global box office list

[@vampirefrompluto9788]

Hey Dan, I know this is outside what you normally cover but could you highlight the Sabaton film "The War To End All Wars - The Movie"? It will have it's global premiere in museums in the 2 weeks surrounding November 11, 2023 (Armistice Day), as part of the never-been-done-before "History Rocks" project?

[@paulw858]

I'm actually really surprised by that drop for Taylor Swift. I was expecting it to have a really small one for some reason. This seems very steep to me.

[@kenyabrunson4985]

I think a lot of people went the first week because 1) all the hardcore Swifties were going the first weekend, and wanted to enjoy hanging out together; and 2) a lot of people thought it was like a Fathom event with one weekend only.

[@afrosymphony8207]

i still cant believe oppenheimer made more than guardians of the galaxy...thats just insane to me

[@nms7872]

Overseas business went nuts. Basically like when Bohemian Rhapsody blew up 5 years ago. Guardians 3 still made more domestically

[@thswrestler160]

One thing that might be going on with sound of freedom is that a lot of movies right now are only playing on the weekdays as Taylor Swift has the screens occupied on the weekend. My local theatre is playing turtles, equalizer, and sound of freedom weekdays only this week.

[@gleekthemonkey4570]

Can’t wait for Martin Scorsese to go on a rant about how Taylor Swift is ruining cinema. 😂

[@hellogoditsmesara3569]

Specially after Chris Nolan praised her to going directly to the theaters instead of using the studios

[@Hexadecimal_QueenofChaos]

He wants to but he is too scared of her fans 😂

[@A-ro-2803]

That had me laughing out loud @gleek. Also glee was such a great show, props to your handle.

[@jessicaalbright7429]

🤣🤣

[@timschwagel]

He's never gone on a "rant" about anything ruining cinema

[@tomiwaaina5499]

Question: can the oscars happen if the strike is still going on?

[@DanMurrellMovies]

Can they? Yes. Will they? No. There's no way they'll do the Oscars with no actors in attendance.

[@tomiwaaina5499]

@@DanMurrellMovies thanks for the answer! Has this ever happened historical? I wonder if they'd just delay the oscars or completely cancel it

[@kmeccat]

My husband and I...and our two kids saw it all we all loved it. Only complaint from everyone was the length 3 1/2 hrs... and from me, the time line was all over the place, so it could be confusing. But still...great movie!

[@dannygillespie6614]

I was basically the only one of my film nerd friends this summer to not particularly like Oppenheimer. The reception on KOTFM has been a LOT more divisive. There's a lot of disappointment with varying degrees of liking it anyway. In short, this movie is dead on box office arrival (a lot of film nerd competition ahead). It will be interesting to see how it does awards season wise.

[@Hexadecimal_QueenofChaos]

According to Scorsese fans, 3 hours of Leo making this face ---> :( is the best acting of his career and will topple Cillian Murphys chances for an Oscar... LOL

[@dannygillespie6614]

Haha there are some like that. Though I definitely have some friends who, begrudingly, admit that it wasn't amazing. And, to my surprise, most of my friends-- who chastise me all year about not liking long movies --admit that it's too long. @@Hexadecimal_QueenofChaos

[@yesme9115]

@kensunshine821 there’s a lot more to it than that. The three leads of KOTFM give undoubted excellent performances. Leo does do an excellent job.

[@mathsalot8099]

Considering his last movie, I think it'll get a lot of nominations because the Academy feels like they "should" nominate Scorsese, but it won't win anything because there's so many other films that are equally as good or better.

[@Hexadecimal_QueenofChaos]

@@mathsalot8099 I fear that the Academy will nominate Leo so that he will show up and boost their viewership, but there are so many performances more deserving of the Best Actor nom and recognition this year 😔 Scorsese has a track record of getting tons of noms and no wins and honestly this year it looks like the same thing will happen, its all about views. The only category thats a lock for Scorsese is Worst Actor Razzie for Brendan Fraser.

[@branagain]

Didn’t Scorsese’s Hugo lose a lot of money? It’s not mentioned as a flop because it won Oscars and rave reviews. Yet Scorsese keeps on going.

[@Cinemagrins]

Fun fact: Christopher Nolan got the idea of the collapsing city in Inception from the Crocodile Dundee movie poster.

[@gameoverwehaveeverypixelco1258]

You have to see flower moon, its like time travelling. Its so authentic.

[@765kvline]

I worked on this film in a modest way and found the set dressing authenticity par excellance. Much of that money spent was to create a "second to none" period effect. No money was wasted on this aspect of the film. Scorsese knew that the sets were the "Guest Star" of the movie--and he accomplished that. "The Singing Wires Sing Again in Martin Scorsese's 'Killers of the Flower Moon'" on KZbin is an example.

[@MariaVosa]

How the hell does Killers cost more than Oppenheimer? But yes, it was probably deeply hurt by the strike. You pay for actors like DiCaprio and DeNiro not just for great acting but also for publicity. And the strike made that impossible. The Producers keep shooting themselves in the foot. How much revenue have they lost by short-changing writers and actors?

[@seanedwards8123]

For me and several people I know, one of the big reasons why we're not watching KOTFM is really simple... We just dont like Scorsese's newer films. They all feel very 'same-y' sure the stories are at a glance different, but when you look closer theyre just bloated pieces of Oscar bait. Hard Pass.

[@Windupchronic]

To be fair, I haven't seen Oppenheimer, nor did I see Killers of the Flower Moon this weekend, and for the same two reasons: 1. I just don't have that kind of time. 2. In both cases I've already read the book.

[@stephennootens916]

The book the killers of the flower moon as I understand it takes more of an FBI view of the case while the movie goes in a different direction.

[@DanLinzmeier]

Kind of curious with the deal on The Eras Tour film... It seems to me like it is only playing Friday, Saturday and Sunday

[@DanMurrellMovies]

It was intended as a weekend event and only plays on Friday, Saturday and Sunday

[@gregtroyan]

Dan, as a numbers guy I'm sure you'll appreciate this. Every Taylor Swift album since Red in 2012 has had at least one single that reached #1 on the Billboard Charts in the United States (not counting her re-recording "Taylor's Version" albums, though even one of those managed to have a #1 single). There is one lone exception to this trend, her August 2019 album Lover, which had it's tour and promotion cancelled due to the COVID pandemic. Taylor's inability to tour for Lover, Folklore and Evermore made her decide to brand this tour as the "Eras Tour" so that she could pay proper tribute to those works, as well as her new album, Midnights. Folklore, Evermore and Midnights all had a single reach #1, and in some ways Lover was viewed as a flop for lower sales that its predecessors and lacking a #1 single, but again, the COVID asterisk is important to consider as promotion was severely cut and album sales tend to increase with tours. All of that said, due to the success of the Eras tour (and especially the film), the song Cruel Summer (the first full song of the concert) has reached #1 on the Billboard Charts. It was originally released on Lover, 5 years ago, and it's not become a #1 hit single, so the "flop" album has a #1 hit 5 years later. Numbers! :D

[@aviad950]

I saw Tough Guys on TV once. It's an ok movie, nothing special except for a chance to see two screen legends share the screen in their later years. Actually three legends, because Eli Wallach also has a funny supporting role in it.

[@AllInTheGame01]

Wishful thinking but wouldn't it be nice to go back to the days where a $100m production budget was seen as impressive/borderline excessive?! Why couldn't Apple learn the lesson of The Irishman's excessive budget plus Scorsese's box office record when deciding Killers of the Flower Moon's budget?! Scorsese in his very long career only has ONE movie (Wolf of Wall Street) that has grossed over $300m worldwide, so surely it's irresponsible to give him a budget over $100m for any of his movies?!