Did Mr. Jinnah Really Want Pakistan? (English) Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmaed & Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy

Some historians have claimed that Pakistan was thrust upon an unwilling Jinnah by the Indian National Congress. Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed rejects this in his new path-breaking book "Jinnah". In his conversation with Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy, he also says we should not give too much importance to the promises made to Pakistan's minorities by Jinnah in his famous speech of 11 August 1947.
Urdu Version:
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[@parsh365]

In retrospect, Jinnah was right. We should be grateful Pakistan was created. The unfortunate part is that Muslims got their share, but a third of them stayed back.

[@didd2810]

Absolutely right. Like Ambedkar said, the exchange should have been complete. A muslims population of 1 to 5% would have been fine though.

[@shyamkulkarni3473]

@@didd2810 , 0% would be ideal.

[@tahirqureshi8606]

I wish the Hindus would have stayed in Pakistan...

[@shyamkulkarni3473]

@@tahirqureshi8606 , only after Islam has been eradicated from South Asia including from Afghanistan. Sorry I have to say this but that is the honest truth.

[@MonikaSingh-df3xn]

Nd now thy r hell bent on Ismalizing India

[@muralimurahari4038]

The 31,600 number of subscribers to Dr. Hoodbhoy's channel speaks volumes about the Pakistani-Islamic culture. A deep distaste for any rational thinking at all?🥴🥴🥴😌😌

[@harisadu8998]

Ishtiaq Sahab, apart from Malerkotla, there was one more part of Punjab where Muslims didn't leave. You have forgotten Mewat in Haryana, it was part of Punjab and it has a Muslim majority.

[@akaj188]

Britishers had the biggest role in creating the myth of the Two Nation Theory. After the revolt of 1857 Britishers became anti Muslim and propped up others. Then they followed the tactic of Divide and Rule. Then , at the time of independence in 1947, U-S-A , the successor of Britain as a Super Power , desperately wanted to create Pakistan so to keep one part under the west even if the other ( India under Nehru ) went to the Soviet Bloc

[@akaj188]

My late father , Dr. Dharam Paul Aggarwal had seen the pain of Partition ( 1947 ) in his youth. He used to say that community wise , it turned out to be a partition of Indian Muslims.

[@syedghazi]

Best KZbin channel out of Pakistan - by a mile! Absolutely love Dr Hoodbhoy since I was a child and discovered Noam Chomsky through him.

[@TheNamdar1]

Hoodbhoy Sahib, the question is not whether Jinnah really wanted Pakistan or not, the question is did the Muslims of South Asia wanted Pakistan. And the answer to that question is resounding yes!

[@utpalbanerjee382]

It is seen that Muslim religion is not tolerant to other religion, which is the result of diminishing minorities either in Pakistan and Bangladesh. So what had happened is good for the people of other religions live in India.

[@adityatripathy8868]

Good discussion between two learned Pakistani gentleman. Love from India.

[@mcs106]

KEEPING IN VIEW THE OPTIONS OF IFS AND THE BUTS, WHAT WAS THE FUTURE OF THE UNITED MUSLIMS IF THE INDIA WAS NOT DIVIDED BY THE WAY KEEPING IN VIEW THE HINDU AND THE RSS AND THE MODI MENTALITY AND WAS IT ACCEPTABLE FOR WE ALL NOW YELLING ON THEW MEDIA TO PROVE THE JINNAH WAS WRONG AND THE CREATION OF OUR HOMELAND WAS A MISTAKE AND WE COULD HAVE SOME RESPECTABLE PLACES IN THE DOCTRINE AND HOLDING OF THE INDIAN MAJORITY RULING SUCH THE POLICE ROLE IN BRUTAL KILLING OF THE MUSLIMS AND THE MINORITY AND DISINTERESTINGLY HOW MANY THE LOVERS OF THE MODI DOCTRINE HAVE LEFT FOR GOING TO INDIA AND EVEN HAVE GONE THERE ?

[@kyabe5813]

@@mcs106 illiterate

[@writerkhan8111]

@@mcs106 India chose secularism in the face of violence and slaughter during the crisis of Partition. That says what India as a country stands for. Yes the hindutva extremism would've continued to exist as the Islamic extremism continues to exist in Pakistan. But the continuous efforts of the secular leaders would've made the country stable. Come to India and you'll see that every Hindu has a Muslim friend and a Muslim has a Hindu friend because at the end of the day we all live in the same society. The incidents of extremism would still exist but the youth of the nation would continue to work on the country to make it a super power. It's the western political interests with separatists that divided India. Nonetheless we are still a super power.

[@rajeshrao8799]

There should have been complete transfer of muslims to pakistan which was advocated by Dr.Ambedkar, which Mr.Gandhi did not allow , India is suffering because of this decision

[@kapilsethia9284]

Don't worry modi ji is taking two nation theory to its conclusion.

[@meharshah7276]

Then India need to give equal.land as well like almost half of up , Hyderabad and parts of Behar need to be part of Pakistan.

[@meharshah7276]

Buy donot worry a new Pakistan is on the way to develop within India.

[@dharmikrakshak8340]

@@meharshah7276 remember Spain 🇪🇸?????israel ???????

[@Suryapoosarla]

@@meharshah7276 Well you annexed Balochistan which it didn't want, we annexed Nizam state under razakars which was freed mostly by citizens of Nizam..

[@alvi78]

Listening to this information is very jarring...its like a 48 year old man finding out, not only his parents never had a nikaah but his father was never a man. Cognitive dissonance personified.

[@AbidNasim]

I want to assure @abracadabra that your "parents" were legit. As for the myth of second class dhimmi's in antiquity, does the author realize that in a court of law, all subjects (it was a time of royalty, mostly) were equal regardless of faith. (Also being a royal system, by definition there was no legislative branch of government). The real difference was taxation. Most so-called dhimmis were Judeo Christian who were tenners (paid 10% tax under Muslim or non-Muslim rulers as well) while for the Muslim Zakat (aka tax) was 2.5%.

[@sameeransari6649]

Pakistan is great example of islamofasicm Muslim majority- make islamist state Muslim minority- shout secularism

[@ballerstalin5346]

In my opinion Jinnah wanted a territory for Muslims not Islamic theocratic state...

[@mianzahor0]

Dear reads his speeches he clearly mention we donot want Pakistan for peice of land, we want to create laboratory where we can test and implement Islamic principle.

[@raheelsiddiqi8285]

@@mianzahor0 He said different things at different times. I am not sure he ever used the word "laboratory" for Pakistan.

[@vinamrasinghai2339]

@@raheelsiddiqi8285 How Jinnah was secular? He opposed uniform civil laws (women rights). He never used word secular, he abandoned his daughter for marrying a non-Muslim minority. He married a woman just to convert her to Islam (as per her only daughter). Jinnah also opposed religious building laws. There is no speech of Jinnah supporting or talking of child rights, animal rights or against religious clothing. A state can be a secular, not a person.

[@R.kandaswamy]

Jinha was made 🐐 by Radicalsied Zombies. Once Pakistan came in to eaxistance they abondend him. The slogan of Muslims from UP, Bihar and CP was , " Hatme lota muhme paan, leke rahege Pakistan."

[@R.kandaswamy]

@Manjeet Singh NO, Dogs were Secular because they tolerated Jinnah.

[@waqaskhan552]

What a fabulous discussion👍 Always stand your ground Prof Pervez Hoodbhoy.. we support you & there are enough of us in Pakistan & you are our voice 👍

[@vasukinagabhushan]

Prof. Hoodbhoy is disingenuous to ignore all hateful and divisive speeches and continuously harp on a single positive speech of Jinnah. All other speeches and all actions of Jinnah were diametrically opposed to religious harmony.

[@ajaygautam8963]

Purchased the book already , will start reading after Proper Muhurat ,,,like they have muhurat before any Bollywood movie starts 🙏🏼

[@nnbg8000]

:-) :-)

[@narendrakhilnani6578]

I am going to ask GroupChat to summarize the book in 50 pages.

[@cauliflowerhead2735]

That book seems is one information behemoth. Mr.Ahmaed seems to have delved deep in this. Kudos to him!

[@avinashdubey9768]

So happy to hear these two gentlemen.

[@mcs106]

KEEPING IN VIEW THE OPTIONS OF IFS AND THE BUTS, WHAT WAS THE FUTURE OF THE UNITED MUSLIMS IF THE INDIA WAS NOT DIVIDED BY THE WAY KEEPING IN VIEW THE HINDU AND THE RSS AND THE MODI MENTALITY AND WAS IT ACCEPTABLE FOR WE ALL NOW YELLING ON THEW MEDIA TO PROVE THE JINNAH WAS WRONG AND THE CREATION OF OUR HOMELAND WAS A MISTAKE AND WE COULD HAVE SOME RESPECTABLE PLACES IN THE DOCTRINE AND HOLDING OF THE INDIAN MAJORITY RULING SUCH THE POLICE ROLE IN BRUTAL KILLING OF THE MUSLIMS AND THE MINORITY AND DISINTERESTINGLY HOW MANY THE LOVERS OF THE MODI DOCTRINE HAVE LEFT FOR GOING TO INDIA AND EVEN HAVE GONE THERE ?

[@mbv1462]

@@mcs106 You are victim of pakistani history books..which are just biased and full of lies..keep it up..we don't care

[@vasukinagabhushan]

Can anyone quote any instance, when any state was formed based on the religion of the population, other than Pakistan and Israel?

[@DJtrumpMAGA2024]

New state 2011- South Sudan based on Christian population

[@pappupager4832]

India has 200 million muslims, while Pakistan has barely Hindus. How can there be parity in relationship? 😂🤣

[@GururajBN]

There’s a very crucial information at 19.0 onwards - that Jinnah didn’t want 3.5 to 4 crores Muslims migrating to Pakistan, which could not have supported such huge influx of people. So, I think that Pakistan was created for the benefit of the select few.

[@manubhatt3]

Their original plan/expectation was to get whole of Punjab, Bengal and Jammu and Kashmir. If that had happened, then all the undivided India muslims could have lived there, but Nehru didn't agree with this and partitioned all three, but then he didn't want transfer of minorities between two nations.

[@geetaarth7142]

Living together of India with Jinnah's plus mullah's Pakistan is difficult in comparison of living Muslims and Hindus living together would have in a United India or undivided India. Now, there is no way out. We will get finished in fighting with each other, what was the ultimate game plan of our imperial masters.

[@satyadhoundiyal]

I wish the interview was longer...I want to read all of his books🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@vasukinagabhushan]

Prof. Hoodbhoy is disingenuous to ignore all the hateful and divisive speeches and continuously harp on a single positive speech of Jinnah. All other speeches and all actions of Jinnah were diametrically opposed to religious harmony.

[@muralimurahari4038]

Mohammed Ali Jinnah played a surgeon**

[@07adityapandeyxim51]

I agree by the idea of great Ambedkarof total exchange of population if pakistsn is created for muslims .

[@jsingh6872]

Jinnah was right, hindus and muslims cannot live together. Now we see the same in Europe. For once i think he had foresight just like amedkar.

[@vasukinagabhushan]

*Pakistani Messed up Identity* I am not Myself. I am not Hindu. I am not Jain. I am not Buddhist. I am not Kuffr. I am not Hindi. I am not Shia, Ahmadi. I am not Christian. I am not Jew. I am not Punjabi. I am not Sindhi. I am not Mohajir. I am not Bengali. I am not Kashmiri. I am not Baluchi. I am not Deccan. I am not Hindustani. Then, Who is Pakistani? Pakistan is Army with a State. Turki, Arabi Natak band karo. Hum, Tum Hindustani !!! 🙏🏽💐🙏🏽

[@nvherman257]

Nope Pakistani are indian Muslim which were influenced by Arabs Persian and Uzbekistan

[@einsteinwallah2]

22:17 they were all christians ... that is the point ... in fact jinna at most conciliatory and at most sensibile moments argued that we are two nations ... two nations meant perennial strife if forced to remain united ... and again for same reasons europe example is not valid ... current problems cannot be wished away if that very basic idea is not challenged ... cause of this is islam itself ... wherever islam has reached local two nation theories have been theorized ... this is why some european nations donot allow mosques and france wants to have only france-processed (read france-sanitized) islam in france ... why be squeamish and not confront real cause: islam? ... islam represents clear and present danger to entire mankind ... and that is how not only hindus perceive it ... all non-muslims perceive it

[@HarisKhan-by6gi]

Dear Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed, Equal rights is not a new idea. Not from 1945 from Americans as you mention here. It was covered in the state of Madina by Muhammad (SAW). I suggest you to conduct further research. There's great detail in Islam on how non-Muslim(s) will be treated. The state of Madinah covers this from the time of Muhammad (SAW). We can say that Muslim(s) or human being(s) have not read or practiced them. Don't blame Islam for mistakes or crimes of human being(s) Muslim(s) or otherwise Let's call a spade a spade

[@mypakistan9615]

In 1946, at Islamia College Quaid-e-Azam declared: “We do not demand Pakistan simply to have a piece of land but we want a laboratory where we could experiment on Islamic principles.”

[@rogerbei9474]

Experiments Like cross border terrorism, jihad, blasphemy, minority massacre etc etc..

[@jayaramprabhu5595]

Pak is a nursery of terrorism & it's complete success experiment.

[@INFAMOUS19911]

What in your opinion has been the outcome so far?

[@adma7298]

Many laboratories were already exited. Saudia, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt, Somalia, Sudan, Libiya, Morocco, Afghanistan are some big example.

[@rajatbhattacharjee5894]

Two well learned gentlemen conversing. Very few good ones left in Pakistan. Respect to both!

[@sardarbootasingh2708]

The making of Pakistan a tiny country was a a grave mistake. Except for what is the Pakistani Punjab where there are mostly fanatics (not all Punjabis of Pakistan are fanatics and even many are extremely enlightened) most of the subcontinent did not desire to be fragmented. Imagine if Pakistan was merged with India she Pakistan would benefit greatly. India is now the third strongest military power on the planet surely stronger than a strongly Jewish backed China. China and Jews are strong allies and Muslims are being butchered in China, and even made to eat pork! Recently Prof. Charles Lieber of Harvard was arrested for passing on sensitive data to China. However, Pakistan is destined to stay now as a small neighboring country of the colossus India. India is a great space and a huge nuclear power as well. Yet I hope these brother countries live in peace and harmony and both prosper.

[@asmadali-]

I'm happy to see this quality session on the topic. I wish to see him give detailed interviews for viewer's convenience because only few will read such a bulky book but many will watch the interview.

[@tariqrasheed965]

Love and respect from south Punjab

[@chandan4156]

Considering how Pakistan has turned up, don't you think our leaders had incredible forsight?

[@Syychro]

United India would have developed completely differently and better than the balkanized subcontinent of India, Bangladesh, and Pakistan that exists today. The states that make up today's Pakistan would (in a United India) would have been much much different than they are today. And a similar positive effect would have happened in India.

[@shouvikgupta6498]

@my pakistan janab in reply to your comment india even before Dec 71 sakoot e dhaka had recognized the state of bangladesh.we trained armed the Mukti bahini raised Bangla Desh air force 28 sep71 etc we had made it clear to all countries that this was a liberation war for a free Bangladesh and not to unite east west bengal again..mr Jinnah's concept of two nation theory was flawed nothing in common between a bengali speaking muslim and a pashtun muslim..urdu is also alien to us Bengalis!!

[@surajshegukar1387]

We have a bright future if we focus on present and learn lesson from past. in the history many countries are born,divided and destroyed so we have to focus on our bright future instead of fighting what happened in the past that we can't change

[@Hindutashravi]

Jinnah's contempt for Muslim Mullahs is well known. While Jinnah was inherently and intrinsically secular, he did want to protect the civil and political rights of the Indian Muslim community!

[@nandakumark2433]

The 2 nation theory later 3 nation India, Pakistan, Bangladesh came only because of the massive Egos, craze for power and uncompromising attitude aided and fuelled by the British led to this disaster.Even 700 years later India & Pakistan won't be able to live in peace and harmony thanks to today's politicians in India& Pakistan who will ensure that both our nation's are always fighting against each other- Nandakumar l

[@akaj188]

WHY INDIA 's INDEPENDENCE PREPONED FROM JUNE 1948 to AUGUST 1947 WITH DISASTROUS CONSEQUENCES " Why, then, on his ( Mountbatten 's ) return from London a fortnight later, did he then suddenly declare that the Partition of India would take place with inexplicable haste on August 15, 1947, almost a year ahead of schedule?

[@lindyswing4368]

What I have heard is that, the viceroy felt the situation was getting out of hand with respect to the army and that the British were losing control so they felt it prudent not to let partition happen in the future but to get it done as soon as possible.

[@akaj188]

@@lindyswing4368 Thanks for replying. The Viceroy / British could have brought in Peace Keeping troops , especially from Commonwealth countries.

[@humazafar512]

Very well answered by Sir Ishtiaq Ahmed

[@cloudbeam6939]

Jinah might have wanted Pakistan or not. It is true that not as single provincial government in Punjab (Unionist party), Baluchistan, Sindh, Khyber-Pakhtunwa (congress) voted in favor of creating a Pakistan

[@nvherman257]

Unionist party was against Pakistan they called kafre e azam to quaid

[@ramdwivedi9774]

The EU could become a success because almost all of them were Christians. In South Asia the geographies have been divided in the name of contradictory and conflicting interests of two communities. Further, spread of Islam is the declared national agenda of Pakistan. Amid these realities having a SAARC on the lines of the EU is a far-fetched dream unless there is an honest truth and reconciliation process . Further this has to be at the grassroots level and not mere at the State level.

[@hanumandehru7388]

nehru igo clashed with jinah . though jinha was unhappy with hindu as they expelled from caste

[@orissa72]

A beautifully researched narratives by both the scholars. A good learning at the end.

[@mcs106]

KEEPING IN VIEW THE OPTIONS OF IFS AND THE BUTS, WHAT WAS THE FUTURE OF THE UNITED MUSLIMS IF THE INDIA WAS NOT DIVIDED BY THE WAY KEEPING IN VIEW THE HINDU AND THE RSS AND THE MODI MENTALITY AND WAS IT ACCEPTABLE FOR WE ALL NOW YELLING ON THEW MEDIA TO PROVE THE JINNAH WAS WRONG AND THE CREATION OF OUR HOMELAND WAS A MISTAKE AND WE COULD HAVE SOME RESPECTABLE PLACES IN THE DOCTRINE AND HOLDING OF THE INDIAN MAJORITY RULING AND THE POLICE ROLE IN BRUTAL KILLING OF THE MUSLIMS AND THE MINORITY. AND DISINTERESTINGLY HOW MANY THE LOVERS OF THE MODI DOCTRINE HAVE LEFT FOR GOING TO INDIA AND EVEN HAVE GONE THERE ? IF I AM NOT SO WRONG STILL THERE ARE KEEN EFFORTS THAT LOOK LIKE JOINING THE BOTH COUNTRIES ONCE AGAIN BUT NOBODY IS TELLING THE PEOPLE MADE THE SCAPEGOAT AND THE FUEL OF THE BRUTAL KILLING STILL CONTINUED. WHY WE DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWER THAT HAS OR COULD BE THE BEST MECHANISM TO RESOLVE THE ISSUES BASED ON THE ETHNIC OR THE RELIGIOUS BASES AND MORE OVER THERE ARE SOME EVIDENCES THAT HAVE RESOLVED THE MAJOR ISSUES OF THE POOR AND THE DENIED IN INDIA SO TO MENTION AS THE RESOLVE TO LIVE TOGETHER AND IF THE ISSUES OF BOTH T HE HINDUS AND THE MINORITIES ARE STILL THE SAME OR MORE INCREASED WHAT LOOKS IT SENSIBLE TO SEE THE PRESENT TALKS AND THE DEBATES TO HAVE THE BROTHERHOOD. SO WE SHOULD FOCUS ON THE BRUTAL ISSUES OF THE POPULATION AND TRY TO RESOLVE THEM FIRST OTHERWISE IT ALL LOOKS LIKE AN INTELLECTUAL DEBATE BUT WITH NO RESOLVE AT ALL. WE MUST KEEP IN MIND THAT THE RESOLVE OF OUR ISSUES IS CONDITIONAL TO DISARMAMENT AND USE THAT MONEY TO UPGRADE THE LIVING STANDARDS OF THE POOR AND THE DENIED.

[@dineshjaiswal3120]

From this discussion only one conclusion comes out that jinnah was a Anarchist. Best way forward for porkistan is to divide it into 4 or 6 parts namely sindh, balochistan frontier province, north punjab, bahawalpur or south punjab and Karachi.

[@nvherman257]

First take care of khalistan kashmir nagaland and tamil nadu

[@samanthamasters5015]

Jinnah was a shrewd politician with a law background, " The Speech" of 11th by him was to stop accepting more Muslims from India as the Pakistanis cannot afford to take care of such huge population . Also, to abandoning the Muslims settled in vast part of India who could for obvious reasons can't travel to Pakistan within given time with bloody clashes. Also, the leftover Muslims of India can be their bargaining chip. Whatever be the reason for the creation of Pakistan ,it's unfortunate to see what it is today!

[@nnbg8000]

@Samantha Masters: It's not unfortunate to see what Pakstan is today. It is exactly what it would have become anyway because you can't build somethng sustainable on hatred. What we need to accept is that some Mohmdans in India hated Hindus so much, they didn't want to live with them. People who had lived with each other for centuries, under the rule of the various kings and other rulers, suddenly couldn't live with each other. Then, one country started nation building, developing, growing, slowly but steadily till it has now reached the orbit of Mars, has made a name for itself in IT and has become a hub of satellite technology whereas the other, what can we say? Pakstan too has made a name in IT, only these letters stand for International T* & error ..* ism and where the constitution itself discriminates against minority religions. Muhamadalibhai Zhinno Thakkar's 2-nation theory was exposed for the sham it was in less than 25 years of Pakstan's existence.

[@nnbg8000]

@@laavanya9584 Agree but then for all the accusation Pakstan raises against Indian army, at least we follow the globally accepted process of bringing soldiers to justice whereas in Pakstan, the army never gets called to the courts, never.

[@farhan.zaheer]

Don't understand one thing. Why didn't Jinnah make 11 August speech in June or July when butchering was happening and why he waited until three days before partition when so many innocent lives were already lost?

[@shujjaahmed8085]

Jinnah didn't order to kill each other... Neither he had control on police

[@mrinal170692]

Read direct action day of 16th August 1946

[@sarakumari704]

He got scared of 30 million muslim coming to paxitan, if Hindus start butchering them in India, hence made this hypocratic speech. Moral of the story is leaders love their throne not the public,

[@sarakumari704]

@Vicky Kumar Singh Vicky Kumar Singh This is the bitter truth, if u keenly study history u get to know it, plus the time when he made this speech many secular eminent British personnel were on the stage, so he said it, to impress them too, and clean his image as since 37 he was screaming Islam and all bullshit, originally he never believed in it, it was just a ploy, a game to become leader satisfy his ego, not able to achieve in Congress in presence of Nehru and Gandhi

[@Abhishekyadavoriginal]

Dada ke upar ek teeka chahiye.. Dada brahman lagenge..

[@arunanand2809]

Is it relevant now? Too much water down the Indus and Ganges. This issue is raised only by discontented Pakistanis.

[@ahmedmahay]

Research is done just for the sake of it. Who cares if it's relevant for others.

[@redbaron9029]

Labhesh Haria Who knows china might extend their borders into india or help the suppressed people under hinduvta to create their own nation states.

[@arunanand2809]

@@redbaron9029 But brother, they have already done so in Pakistan. And India is too bloody strong for them. And Pakistan is pregnant again after 1971. This time it will have 4 children states. The rump state of Punjabi Pakistan will still be holing about Kashmir. 😂LOL

[@neutral5793]

@Labhesh Haria No sane Indian would want Pakistan to reunite with India. Peace and friendship is important.. But the idea of reuniting is for naïve people..

[@shaheryarazhar9079]

A good interview. Would have to read the book. I tend to agree with professor Ishtiaque that ultimately it was the British, who wanted the partition for their geopolitical interests.

[@munubisht9810]

No,wealthy people of the subcontinent

[@vasukinagabhushan]

Prof. Hoodbhoy is disingenuous to ignore all hateful and divisive speeches and continuously harp on a single positive speech of Jinnah. All other speeches and all actions of Jinnah were diametrically opposed to religious harmony.

[@saravananperiyasamy5730]

The idea of Pakistan was by British/ Elite Punjabi Muslims/Nawabs/ Nizams..but innocent Muslims were trapped this strategy.

[@feryalaligauhar3905]

Thank goodness Dr Hoodbhoy corrected the date of the August 11 speech. But the funny thing is that the earlier version of this interview in Urdu, seems to have been a direct translation of the English version... May as well have subtitled it!

[@mcs106]

KEEPING IN VIEW THE OPTIONS OF IFS AND THE BUTS, WHAT WAS THE FUTURE OF THE UNITED MUSLIMS IF THE INDIA WAS NOT DIVIDED BY THE WAY KEEPING IN VIEW THE HINDU AND THE RSS AND THE MODI MENTALITY AND WAS IT ACCEPTABLE FOR WE ALL NOW YELLING ON THEW MEDIA TO PROVE THE JINNAH WAS WRONG AND THE CREATION OF OUR HOMELAND WAS A MISTAKE AND WE COULD HAVE SOME RESPECTABLE PLACES IN THE DOCTRINE AND HOLDING OF THE INDIAN MAJORITY RULING AND THE POLICE ROLE IN BRUTAL KILLING OF THE MUSLIMS AND THE MINORITY. AND DISINTERESTINGLY HOW MANY THE LOVERS OF THE MODI DOCTRINE HAVE LEFT FOR GOING TO INDIA AND EVEN HAVE GONE THERE ? IF I AM NOT SO WRONG STILL THERE ARE KEEN EFFORTS THAT LOOK LIKE JOINING THE BOTH COUNTRIES ONCE AGAIN BUT NOBODY IS TELLING THE PEOPLE MADE THE SCAPEGOAT AND THE FUEL OF THE BRUTAL KILLING STILL CONTINUED. WHY WE DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWER THAT HAS OR COULD BE THE BEST MECHANISM TO RESOLVE THE ISSUES BASED ON THE ETHNIC OR THE RELIGIOUS BASES AND MORE OVER THERE ARE SOME EVIDENCES THAT HAVE RESOLVED THE MAJOR ISSUES OF THE POOR AND THE DENIED IN INDIA SO TO MENTION AS THE RESOLVE TO LIVE TOGETHER AND IF THE ISSUES OF BOTH T HE HINDUS AND THE MINORITIES ARE STILL THE SAME OR MORE INCREASED WHAT LOOKS IT SENSIBLE TO SEE THE PRESENT TALKS AND THE DEBATES TO HAVE THE BROTHERHOOD. SO WE SHOULD FOCUS ON THE BRUTAL ISSUES OF THE POPULATION AND TRY TO RESOLVE THEM FIRST OTHERWISE IT ALL LOOKS LIKE AN INTELLECTUAL DEBATE BUT WITH NO RESOLVE AT ALL. WE MUST KEEP IN MIND THAT THE RESOLVE OF OUR ISSUES IS CONDITIONAL TO DISARMAMENT AND USE THAT MONEY TO UPGRADE THE LIVING STANDARDS OF THE POOR AND THE DENIED.

[@harisadu8998]

Subtitling urdu is difficult because a lot of Indians also listen and if it is spoken, they will understand but if Urdu is written, they will not.

[@prof.dr.4224]

We ( myself Victoria Miroshnik and Dipak Basu) have analyzed this issue in our book, India as an organization, published by Palgrave-Macmillan. The thesis of Ayesha Jalal was wrong. Jinnah was recruited by the British in 1934 to create a new state where the British Army could stay to protect the Middle East from the Soviet Union and the sea route between the Suez Canal and Australia. NS Sarila, who was the ADC for the last three Vice-Roys of India, wrote that in his book. There are two others who were recruited by the British: Gandhi in 1915 and Ambedkar in 1930. British supported the Muslim League wholeheartedly from the beginning in 1906. In every riot, British police took the position to support the Muslims. That was obvious in August 1946 in Calcutta, then in Noakhali, and Chittagong in East Bengal. Pakistan was created by the British and Jinnah, Gandhi, Ambedkar were the British agents. Gandhi planned Pakistan in 1943. He sent his plan to Jinnah through Rajagopalachari, but Jinnah wanted a corridor through India which Gandhi could not agree with.

[@MrLikea8055]

Did Gandhi not oppose partition? i was of the impression that one of his statement was that the partition of India will be done over his dead body. But the the way you suggest his participation in the whole ordeal.

[@prof.dr.4224]

@@MrLikea8055 Gandhi used to say one thing for the crowd, another for the British, his master and he used to do yet another to confuse the people. He made a plan to partition India in 1943 when he was enjoying prison. He sent his plan to Jinnah through Rajagopalachari. Jinnah as usual wanted the whole of Bengal and Punjab and a corridor to connect these separate lands. Otherwise, Sri Aurobindo said, even in 1940 that in practice Gandhi accepted the partition plan of Jinnah. In 1947, Gandhi had the option to reject the British proposal and to start a new agitation, but he did nothing. He even betrayed Khan Abdul Gaffer Khan and the Khan of Kalat and pushed both of them to Pakistan. Gandhi knew that the British wanted to create Pakistan and Gandhi could not do anything to displease the British.

[@ajitsinghees7909]

Your enlightenment is complete . Your diction is flawless whatever language you speak in. When you take on Pakistani establishment, you are courage personified. But you are not quite as forthright when you take on Islam. Aren’t you, like rest of the world, suffering from Islamophobi

[@narendrakhilnani6578]

Jinnah was essentially a Bombay boy. His friends were mostly Hindu. His Doctor was a Hindu Gujrati, Dr. Patel. Other than Jinnah he was the only person who knew that Jinnah was dying. At one time Jinnah was considered the best dressed man in India, He wore fancy London suits and silk fine ties. Now, here is where the Indian and Pk versions differ about him. Per the Pakistanis he was a Namazi who prayed five times a day. Per the Indians he was a worldly man who drank good Scotch, ate pork and c onsorted with beautiful women. From what I have read, Jinnah encouraged violence in Calcutta. He also appointed Liaquat Ali as PM. LQ wanted the Hindu properties so he could settle the Muslim immigrants from India in those properties. The Muslim Sindhis did not get any of the properties. LQ asked the Governor of Sindh to appoint a Minister of Emigration. Gov. Kuhurro declined and was assassinated. In India Nehru declined to give citizenship to the Hindu Sindhis. He thought they would all go back. Then two Senior Sindhi Hindus Congressmen insulted him at a gathering and twisted his arm really hard and he agreed to give the Sindhi Hindus Citizenship. The School, College and Hospital builders in Sindh were mostly Hindus. Now they do the good work in Bombay. Google Colleges built by the Hydearabad/Sindh Collegiate Association, Mumbai, and you will be shocked by what they accomplished.

[@saiqakhan4148]

It's very clear from historical sources that even until March 1940, the Lahore Resolution talked about an autonomous Muslim majority zone within a larger Indian federation. Even later , the Quaid and his companions weren't very clear about the exact status or nature of what they wanted. It's after the end of World War 2 in 1945 that the idea of complete independence began to emerge as a viable option ; and it was only after the 1946 elections that the Quaid became firmly convinced of the need for Pakistan .

[@sajjadhassan7983]

Could u please give an authentic reference

[@didd2810]

Honestly, an undivided India (autonomous or not) would have made us powerful (maybe already a superpower). The wars and divides have been too costly. However, like with Kashmir in India, an autonomous region and one as big and distinctly muslim as today's Pakistan and Bangladesh would have made seccession of other states more doable. It would also have been a headache for the central government to handle a muslim government asking for shariat or muslim specific laws from a secular constitution while the Hindu majority get nothing in return. The idea of autonomy was probably more dangerous (but still would have made a united nation) than partition.

[@sowmitriswamy6718]

@@didd2810 An undivided India would not work and would break apart. We would have huge factions, Muslims, Congress, maybe Southern India, perhaps all of Bengal and eastern India, none of them powerful enough to rule on their own and none of them wise enough to compromise and provide critical leadership, You have provided the rest of the answers why a united India would not last.

[@didd2810]

@@sowmitriswamy6718 hmmm... a decentralized system is what India needs but in the current world order, such an organization wouldn't work and just like last time could become a proxy to superpowers (if not outright invaded again). However, I do believe that future reunification efforts would call for a strong central system without shackles of autonomy. If that's the case, then that would be a dream come true. United India would be a force to reckon with!

[@karunayashoda36999]

@@didd2810one of the panelist on Pak channel telling United india would have made them stronger with 20 crore muslims in Pak, 20 crore in Bangladesh and 20 crore in india. With this they could have thrown all non muslims into Arabian sea.hence india will never want akhand bharat again. Reality and idealism r two different thing.

[@Hamza-fr1gj]

Scientists from other countries: Physics Chemistry Mathematics Our Scientists:

[@ballerstalin5346]

Your scientists are maligned like Abdus Salam and this one people bashed the photo of abdus salaam for being a qadyani

[@455fardeen]

Haven't you heard of Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins? Both of them are scientists and they talk about social and political issues too.

[@ballerstalin5346]

@@455fardeen don't use their names if you are in Pakistan🤣 these dip shit have no idea about them all.

[@thereflection]

One is a history professor and other is a physicist who is also a social reformer (the best pak got right now in my opinion). So there you go.

[@albertodomino9420]

@@thereflection what's the criteria for being best on your list? Grumpy, ignorant and condescending?

[@TheLargeoldshoe]

What crap (just reading the headlines).. Jinnah's daughter is on record that he wanted Pakistan. But he wanted to retire in Mumbai :)

[@Mubeen1996]

I recommend Facts are Facts by Abdul Wali Khan and the reader will get to know the reality

[@pro-democracy2028]

There is a lot of revisionist history going on about Jinnah principally around his August 11th speech. It's quite chilling to suggest that he was willing to martyr 2 crore muslims to get a homeland for the other 7 crore. By promoting the idea of pan Islamism, he has created so much mistrust between muslims and other communities in this region. Wish he was alive to see what a glorious nation Pakistan has become today.

[@nnbg8000]

But then Muhammadalibhai Zhinno Thakkar was a vain opportunist. He's not counted as a freedom fighter, he was probably never even imprisoned unlike so many other freedom fighters had been. His 2-nation theory was a hollow phrase, flimsy excuse to become a governor general. He was inferior to the great nation builders who started building India immediately after Independence. Mhdalibhai Zhinno Thakkar's 2-nation theory was exposed to be the sham it was, in less than 25 years of Pakstan's existence when it turned out that even Mohdmans couldn't live with each other in a country carved out especially for them for this reason. Mhdalibhai Zhinno Thakkar has blood of millions on his hand. Didn't he know that nothing sustainable can be built on hatred, the hatred he and his followers showed and used, towards the Hindus.

[@KashifAli-qv1xo]

Dr saab ..i dont belive that he talked about secularism.. But divided the country on the basis of religion ..

[@Omiamthat]

A huge book to justify history

[@sreedevishamanna7317]

The last statement is common sense and civilised. Unfortunately the present day issue is basically vote bank politics for both government's. So hope atleast our descendents will find a bridge between our people.

[@falhenchachal9817]

It's clear jinnah was a duplicitous and a fundamentalist person. He opportunistically made various statements to suit his personal political agenda. He was never a secular person on the contrary he was a communal person who only paid lip service to secularism. How ironic that many of muslims eho opportunistically followed jinnah in 2947, their descendants today opportunistically wants to come to India and enjoy it's benefits.

[@m.b.nagaraj7666]

Because of Partition Population raised in the sub continent. Defense Expenditure also

[@Kureshiman]

I love how PH is so optimistic that a 800 plus pages book would take ‘days’ to finish.

[@nnbg8000]

hmmm if it's a good read, then it's possible and the Prof's book is probably full of characters and events that most of us would be familiar with to an extent so, the setting won't be unknown.

[@mcs106]

KEEPING IN VIEW THE OPTIONS OF IFS AND THE BUTS, WHAT WAS THE FUTURE OF THE UNITED MUSLIMS IF THE INDIA WAS NOT DIVIDED BY THE WAY KEEPING IN VIEW THE HINDU AND THE RSS AND THE MODI MENTALITY AND WAS IT ACCEPTABLE FOR WE ALL NOW YELLING ON THEW MEDIA TO PROVE THE JINNAH WAS WRONG AND THE CREATION OF OUR HOMELAND WAS A MISTAKE AND WE COULD HAVE SOME RESPECTABLE PLACES IN THE DOCTRINE AND HOLDING OF THE INDIAN MAJORITY RULING AND THE POLICE ROLE IN BRUTAL KILLING OF THE MUSLIMS AND THE MINORITY. AND DISINTERESTINGLY HOW MANY THE LOVERS OF THE MODI DOCTRINE HAVE LEFT FOR GOING TO INDIA AND EVEN HAVE GONE THERE ? IF I AM NOT SO WRONG STILL THERE ARE KEEN EFFORTS THAT LOOK LIKE JOINING THE BOTH COUNTRIES ONCE AGAIN BUT NOBODY IS TELLING THE PEOPLE MADE THE SCAPEGOAT AND THE FUEL OF THE BRUTAL KILLING STILL CONTINUED. WHY WE DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWER THAT HAS OR COULD BE THE BEST MECHANISM TO RESOLVE THE ISSUES BASED ON THE ETHNIC OR THE RELIGIOUS BASES AND MORE OVER THERE ARE SOME EVIDENCES THAT HAVE RESOLVED THE MAJOR ISSUES OF THE POOR AND THE DENIED IN INDIA SO TO MENTION AS THE RESOLVE TO LIVE TOGETHER AND IF THE ISSUES OF BOTH T HE HINDUS AND THE MINORITIES ARE STILL THE SAME OR MORE INCREASED WHAT LOOKS IT SENSIBLE TO SEE THE PRESENT TALKS AND THE DEBATES TO HAVE THE BROTHERHOOD. SO WE SHOULD FOCUS ON THE BRUTAL ISSUES OF THE POPULATION AND TRY TO RESOLVE THEM FIRST OTHERWISE IT ALL LOOKS LIKE AN INTELLECTUAL DEBATE BUT WITH NO RESOLVE AT ALL. WE MUST KEEP IN MIND THAT THE RESOLVE OF OUR ISSUES IS CONDITIONAL TO DISARMAMENT AND USE THAT MONEY TO UPGRADE THE LIVING STANDARDS OF THE POOR AND THE DENIED.

[@salqureshi8404]

One can make the case that the death, suffering, and dislocation that happened during the partition and again during the breakup of Pakistan in 1971 make Jinnah and Muslim League's demand for Pakistan quite an unfortunate one. The Muslims of South Asia living together in one country would have been able to look after their interests well enough without having to live in three separate countries.

[@abhi565b]

Jinnah did a fantastic job. As an indian I admire him for dividing Muslims in three separate countries🙏🙏 and uniting non muslims(sanatani's) in a single country. We have recently passed CAA to allow citizenship for remaining minorities left in the other two Islamic republic. If you feel muslims in India are ill-treated you must force your govt too to pass a similar law for indian Muslims 😃. No offence to anyone btw

[@SumanMishrathoughtsarefree]

Agree . I have great set of Muslim friends here in different parts of India and we laugh together and cry together and live together and sure this would have been the case of undivided India ..culture , economics, always beats religious divide . The chasm created by Pakistan has definitely put the pain in subconscious mind , had it not happened things would have been different . Of course skirmishes would have happened like anywhere else but undivided India would have been something

[@einsteinwallah2]

direct action day bhul gaye? dad itself implies that he did not want united india but muslim india which he knew was not possible ... 11th aug speech was because he was asked about muslim groups outside shia-sunni ... asli muslim kaun? that was question ... people are unnecessarily painting a halo in his picture as if he was mahaan sant who was irreligious ... if he was irreligious then why portray islamic state as perfect state? ... he did that too ... he was deeply confused conflicted person who created pakistan out of spite for hindus and gandhi ... he had realized error of his forebears in converting to islam but knew not how to amend that situation ... he was a crypto-atheist ... mullahs manipulated him into believing that islam was great and used him as puppet in their nefarious designs

[@gurinderjitnagra7199]

God bless you both we have intellectual likes you

[@writerkhan8111]

A country created on the basis of religion will be a failed state except for gulf because of oil and gas and eventually that will also dry up.

[@ankushsharma5802]

Pakistan the problem kid of mother India .

[@utubetruthteller]

Jinnah called for direct actions in Bengal which is nothing but call for riots between hindus and muslims and which resulted in 10000 deaths, now i dont understood how jinnah can be a great leader let alone father of nation called Pakistan, this is wrong, history will never pardon him.

[@Triptab]

Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed seems to be a deep and an independent historian. While both Ayesha Jalal and Sugata Bose are surely under the influence of the Jewish lobby. Thus the latter two have little credibility.

[@sowmitriswamy6718]

You cannot toss a canard like "Jewish lobby" and get away with it. If you are not an intellectual coward explain why your are convinced that way . Were they being paid by Jewish interests, was their editor Jewish, had they secretly converted to Judaism, had they Jewish spouses or best friends, were they secretly spying for Israel.?

[@mypakistan9615]

In his presidential address at the annual session of Muslim League at Lahore in 1940. He said: “India is not a nation, nor a country. It is a Sub Continent of nationalities. Hindus and Muslims being the two major nations. The Hindus and Muslims belong to two different religions, philosophies, social customs and literature. They neither intermarry nor inter dine and they belong to two different civilizations which are based mainly on conflicting ideas and conceptions. Their aspects on life and of are different. It is quite clear that Hindus and Muslims derive their inspiration from different sources of history.”

[@venkateshsoundarajan]

This is case world wide

[@shouvikgupta6498]

The two nation theory was proved wrong on Dec 16 1971.A Bengali Muslim is a completely different to a Punjabi or pathan. Mr jinnah was dreaming !!

[@mypakistan9615]

@@shouvikgupta6498 according to your logic, agr Esa hi tha to bangladesh ko west bangol main dubara zam hona chaya tha🥴do qoomi nazaria ek haqiqat hai..... That's it 🙏

[@liggymancoalman3521]

This guy has very selective memory.He is second guessikng what Jinnah might have done etc , based on his hunch; But presenting as facts. Very poor answers to Hoodbhoy

[@sultanhaider1176]

Its bit rich to criticize a renowned author of a book when you havent even finished reading one book let alone write it.

[@liggymancoalman3521]

@@sultanhaider1176 When I read the book, I will write about it. This is about the video and shall remain so.

[@raghavkonda6175]

Stop calling this bigot, Quaid e Azam. Nonsense

[@jalilkhan6251]

To us, he was,is and will be our great leader. We can't and won't change to please others. Sorry if it hurt you.

[@tahirqureshi8606]

Thats what we say...Your heroes are our villains, and vice versa...

[@YassirAltaf]

Personally I'm against the two state solution it has given both side or should I say three sides now a bitter and unforgettable experience.

[@karunayashoda36999]

No sir not true. In the beginning yes indians felt bad. But today Indians r really happy Pak mentality people left india. Otherwise the whole country would have suffered.

[@YassirAltaf]

@@karunayashoda36999 I absolutely agree with you I myself do not like there mentality. My grandfather left India before partition and went to Kenya and today we do not associate ourselves with Pakistan or Pakistani's but as a south Asian origin my love for the land will remain. Culture wise there is no doubt that my original Indian culture is my identity and is what I also feel inside. But the people of that time and the people of today very different because the western Pakistani's that s the north west frontier province of that country has influenced the rest of that country and personally the Pakistani army has also not let the true culture of the Punjabi's and Sindh province people of Pakistan remain this Islamist only ideology of the army and Imran khan. I once saw on a TV channel Nawaz Sharif a friend of Mr Modhi say our culture and society is the same and soon after the army and Pakistani legal system locked him up on corruption charges. I have been to both countries some 25 years ago only once in my life today I would happily move to India but have some Ill feelings for the Pakistani side due to the ideology of that side. I can agree with you on today's people but the people of 1947 were different. They were Indian from there hearts but Jinnah was an evil man self centered who broke my house into bits. Yashoda

[@asifiqbal2776]

Jinnah's March 30, 1941 speech at Kanpur, as reported, is also available online (at the following address) and it does indeed contain the following comment of the reporter who heard it first back then, "Speaking about the fate of Muslims in the non-Pakistan zone, Mr. Jinnah said that in order to liberate 7 crores of Muslims where they were in a majority he was willing to perform the last ceremony of martyrdom if necessary and let two crores of Muslims be smashed." sites.google.com/site/cabinetmissionplan/speeches-and-statements-by-jinnah-1941---1942 Classic demagoguery which one would not have expected in so highly revered a leader, but that is what he said! And to quote a cliché: 'Be careful what you wish for'.

[@Shekhru121]

Who made him the only leader of Indian Muslim's at that time. It was a stupid demand from AMU laundas and urban elites of northern India at that time. How a Maharashtrian Muslim living in solapur had anything to do with him when he was living peacefully for ages. We had same religion but didn't have same thinking, customs,traditions. It was just a big gamble played by him for sake of getting a big share in power inspite of less mandate from people. Demon disrupted the very fabric of India permanently.

[@asifiqbal2776]

@Audeamus Antioch Read the comment again; it is hoped that you'll understand what is being said. Else, try to improve your reading comprehension by going through SAT-level help books. (That's all I can say to your non-sensical remark).

[@vasukinagabhushan]

Prof. Hoodbhoy is disingenuous to ignore all hateful and divisive speeches and continuously harp on a single positive speech of Jinnah. All other speeches and all actions of Jinnah were diametrically opposed to religious harmony.

[@TheNamdar1]

Jinnah’s greatness is that he responded to the aspirations of the Muslims of South Asia. Not only that, Jinnah created a country that is the leader of the Muslim World now. Therefore, Jinnah was right, based on both the past and present . God bless Mr Jinnah!

[@vimaldhanpaul6323]

Its because of the mentality of people like you, Pakistan is where it's now - a failing state

[@nvherman257]

Lol all world give shame to such state where Muslims are attacking each other mosque is that your own islam Pakistan has cause much damage to Islam then other thing

[@akaj188]

The world , especially the Anglo Saxons , would have been more sensitive had South Asia given a united front.What is being done in Afghanistan, Iraq , Iran , Libya etc is not positive.We , also , Pray for greater co-operation among South Asian nations of Pakistan , India and Bangladesh , so that a more effective and powerful Muslim voice perspective is offered when ever and where ever this is required internationally.

[@akaj188]

. Partitions were a time tested tactic of the Imperialists to keep emerging powers weak. They did in Palestine, Korea, Germany and Vietnam .Germany and Vietnam have unified.. Bloodshed in 1947 happened because of the tearing hurry on the part of the departing Britishers. The Britishers did not bring in any / UNO sponsored Peace Keeping Force and , hence, Britishers are responsible for the tragic loss of lives and terrible destruction of 1947. ------------------- Let us pay Homage to Lakhs of innocent Victims of Partition ( on both sides ) - People who were devastated for no fault of theirs

[@shabirahmadbaba1781]

You are not scientist, you are an anchor.

[@hanumandehru7388]

kya ab aap sare muslim jo india m h lene ke liye tyar ho kya. sare muslim jo india m h vo aa rhe h ya unko hindu bn na hoga.

[@faithvsrationality4623]

For algorithm gods sake

[@zahidtoosy6456]

Please refer to another book by Mr. Venkat Dhulipala. This book also deals with the very subject.

[@mcs106]

KEEPING IN VIEW THE OPTIONS OF IFS" AND THE BUTS", WHAT WAS THE FUTURE OF THE UNITED MUSLIMS IF THE INDIA WAS NOT DIVIDED BY THE WAY KEEPING IN VIEW THE HINDU AND THE RSS AND THE MODI MENTALITY AND WAS IT ACCEPTABLE FOR WE ALL NOW YELLING ON THEW MEDIA TO PROVE THE JINNAH WAS WRONG AND THE CREATION OF OUR HOMELAND WAS A MISTAKE AND WE COULD HAVE SOME RESPECTABLE PLACES IN THE DOCTRINE AND HOLDING OF THE INDIAN MAJORITY RULING AND THE POLICE ROLE IN BRUTAL KILLING OF THE MUSLIMS AND THE MINORITY. AND DISINTERESTINGLY HOW MANY THE LOVERS OF THE MODI DOCTRINE HAVE LEFT FOR GOING TO INDIA AND EVEN HAVE GONE THERE ? IF I AM NOT SO WRONG STILL THERE ARE KEEN EFFORTS THAT LOOK LIKE JOINING THE BOTH COUNTRIES ONCE AGAIN BUT NOBODY IS TELLING THE PEOPLE MADE THE SCAPEGOAT AND THE FUEL OF THE BRUTAL KILLING STILL CONTINUED. WHY WE DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWER THAT HAS OR COULD BE THE BEST MECHANISM TO RESOLVE THE ISSUES BASED ON THE ETHNIC OR THE RELIGIOUS BASES AND MORE OVER THERE ARE SOME EVIDENCES THAT HAVE RESOLVED THE MAJOR ISSUES OF THE POOR AND THE DENIED IN INDIA SO TO MENTION AS THE RESOLVE TO LIVE TOGETHER AND IF THE ISSUES OF BOTH T HE HINDUS AND THE MINORITIES ARE STILL THE SAME OR MORE INCREASED WHAT LOOKS IT SENSIBLE TO SEE THE PRESENT TALKS AND THE DEBATES TO HAVE THE BROTHERHOOD. SO WE SHOULD FOCUS ON THE BRUTAL ISSUES OF THE POPULATION AND TRY TO RESOLVE THEM FIRST OTHERWISE IT ALL LOOKS LIKE AN INTELLECTUAL DEBATE BUT WITH NO RESOLVE AT ALL. WE MUST KEEP IN MIND THAT THE RESOLVE OF OUR ISSUES IS CONDITIONAL TO DISARMAMENT AND USE THAT MONEY TO UPGRADE THE LIVING STANDARDS OF THE POOR AND THE DENIED.

[@tariqueali3340]

Love you from sindh

[@tahirqureshi8606]

Gandhi was wrong that India would be a secular state...look what is India today...

[@subhasisjoshi7654]

Gandhi wanted separation of religion and state, infect initial constitution did not had any reference to secular. Secular was added to preamble during 1975. emergency.

[@2sridhark]

Qaid-e-azam means a world leader. He does not qualify to be the leader of a District what to talk of the entire world! The guy founded a nation on hatred and that nation is today dying its natural death. So, call him whatever but not by that epithet.

[@nvherman257]

Wait what Quaid e Azam thoughts were far bigger but people were not capable 20 per literacy at that time were they capable of such state these 5 army were army who capture whole state but his opinion that Muslims cannot live with hindu was 100 per correct once side cow is worshipped and one side cow is eat and similar way one is extreme modi india and one is Extermist taliban Pakistan if they will be under one roof it be bigger clash of Civilization

[@abdulsaboor2923]

Why he wrote this book? Ok My answer he is leaving in Sweden, it has long winter, no activity outside and 4 months it is dark outside, day is more or less 6 hours, What to do? Writing a book is good idea :P

[@utubetruthteller]

no no he is critically thinking which you are devoid of

[@MonikaSingh-df3xn]

@@utubetruthteller 100 % correct

[@mcs106]

SO YOU DISCREDIT HIM FOR HIS NOBEL WRITING AND POSING HE IS JUST POSING HIS ABILITY OR THE INTELLECTUALISM. BUT EACH WRITING OR THE READING OR THE DEBATE OR THE SPEECH OR THE THEATER OR THE FILM OR THE DRAMA OR THE SONG OR THE NATIK OR THE EXPRESSION EVEN PULL OR PUSH WE ALL TO AND ARE VERY MUCH THE TOOLS OF EDUCATION AND AWARENESS AND HELP TO LEARN MUCH. KEEPING IN VIEW THE OPTIONS OF IFS AND THE BUTS, WHAT WAS THE FUTURE OF THE UNITED MUSLIMS IF THE INDIA WAS NOT DIVIDED BY THE WAY KEEPING IN VIEW THE HINDU AND THE RSS AND THE MODI MENTALITY AND WAS IT ACCEPTABLE FOR WE ALL NOW YELLING ON THEW MEDIA TO PROVE THE JINNAH WAS WRONG AND THE CREATION OF OUR HOMELAND WAS A MISTAKE AND WE COULD HAVE SOME RESPECTABLE PLACES IN THE DOCTRINE AND HOLDING OF THE INDIAN MAJORITY RULING AND THE POLICE ROLE IN BRUTAL KILLING OF THE MUSLIMS AND THE MINORITY. AND DISINTERESTINGLY HOW MANY THE LOVERS OF THE MODI DOCTRINE HAVE LEFT FOR GOING TO INDIA AND EVEN HAVE GONE THERE ? IF I AM NOT SO WRONG STILL THERE ARE KEEN EFFORTS THAT LOOK LIKE JOINING THE BOTH COUNTRIES ONCE AGAIN BUT NOBODY IS TELLING THE PEOPLE MADE THE SCAPEGOAT AND THE FUEL OF THE BRUTAL KILLING STILL CONTINUED. WHY WE DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWER THAT HAS OR COULD BE THE BEST MECHANISM TO RESOLVE THE ISSUES BASED ON THE ETHNIC OR THE RELIGIOUS BASES AND MORE OVER THERE ARE SOME EVIDENCES THAT HAVE RESOLVED THE MAJOR ISSUES OF THE POOR AND THE DENIED IN INDIA SO TO MENTION AS THE RESOLVE TO LIVE TOGETHER AND IF THE ISSUES OF BOTH T HE HINDUS AND THE MINORITIES ARE STILL THE SAME OR MORE INCREASED WHAT LOOKS IT SENSIBLE TO SEE THE PRESENT TALKS AND THE DEBATES TO HAVE THE BROTHERHOOD. SO WE SHOULD FOCUS ON THE BRUTAL ISSUES OF THE POPULATION AND TRY TO RESOLVE THEM FIRST OTHERWISE IT ALL LOOKS LIKE AN INTELLECTUAL DEBATE BUT WITH NO RESOLVE AT ALL. WE MUST KEEP IN MIND THAT THE RESOLVE OF OUR ISSUES IS CONDITIONAL TO DISARMAMENT AND USE THAT MONEY TO UPGRADE THE LIVING STANDARDS OF THE POOR AND THE DENIED.

[@kurdbaloch]

The professors never talked about BJP leader Jaswant Singh's book "Jinnah: India, Partition, Independence" where he entirely rejected this theory; these guys trying to become "SHAH SE ZIAADAH SHAH K WAFAADAAR", or more Hindus than BJP leaders themselves. The problem with extreme side of left or right leanings is that you cherry pick your ideas and draw your own conclusions based on your ideology. Can't we cherry-pick Dr. Hoodbhoy's life, statements and newspaper articles and draw whichever things we like. Unfortunately these professors' lifetime positions on Muslims and Pakistan are very well known and these revolve around if you listen about any bad thing happening and say it must be Pakistan and Muslims and then try to find arguments to support their claim. Social sciences are not like natural sciences that one can test the ideas in lab and draw the conclusions based on the experiments. Social sciences do not work like it; first you need to be bit unbiased in your approach and ideas. If you cherry pick your statements from 10 years of statements of Quaied-e-Azam then you can satisfy your egos and your already converted audience but can not make justice to truth.

[@samanthamasters5015]

Exactly! There were many (Bloody) events prior to the speeches happened in many part of United India creating a background to make " 2 nation theory" a way out. And there r many aspects and players involved in it. Unless we see the entire history from all different angles one cannot come to a conclusion on dynamics of the " Speeches" .

[@ahmedrao5459]

Totally agree

[@fahadmaqbool9280]

Yar abb jo b ho mujhy app ki baat psand ae

[@muhammadasifkhan4198]

You are my favorite

[@mcs106]

KEEPING IN VIEW THE OPTIONS OF IFS AND THE BUTS, WHAT WAS THE FUTURE OF THE UNITED MUSLIMS IF THE INDIA WAS NOT DIVIDED BY THE WAY KEEPING IN VIEW THE HINDU AND THE RSS AND THE MODI MENTALITY AND WAS IT ACCEPTABLE FOR WE ALL NOW YELLING ON THEW MEDIA TO PROVE THE JINNAH WAS WRONG AND THE CREATION OF OUR HOMELAND WAS A MISTAKE AND WE COULD HAVE SOME RESPECTABLE PLACES IN THE DOCTRINE AND HOLDING OF THE INDIAN MAJORITY RULING AND THE POLICE ROLE IN BRUTAL KILLING OF THE MUSLIMS AND THE MINORITY. AND DISINTERESTINGLY HOW MANY THE LOVERS OF THE MODI DOCTRINE HAVE LEFT FOR GOING TO INDIA AND EVEN HAVE GONE THERE ? IF I AM NOT SO WRONG STILL THERE ARE KEEN EFFORTS THAT LOOK LIKE JOINING THE BOTH COUNTRIES ONCE AGAIN BUT NOBODY IS TELLING THE PEOPLE MADE THE SCAPEGOAT AND THE FUEL OF THE BRUTAL KILLING STILL CONTINUED. WHY WE DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWER THAT HAS OR COULD BE THE BEST MECHANISM TO RESOLVE THE ISSUES BASED ON THE ETHNIC OR THE RELIGIOUS BASES AND MORE OVER THERE ARE SOME EVIDENCES THAT HAVE RESOLVED THE MAJOR ISSUES OF THE POOR AND THE DENIED IN INDIA SO TO MENTION AS THE RESOLVE TO LIVE TOGETHER AND IF THE ISSUES OF BOTH T HE HINDUS AND THE MINORITIES ARE STILL THE SAME OR MORE INCREASED WHAT LOOKS IT SENSIBLE TO SEE THE PRESENT TALKS AND THE DEBATES TO HAVE THE BROTHERHOOD. SO WE SHOULD FOCUS ON THE BRUTAL ISSUES OF THE POPULATION AND TRY TO RESOLVE THEM FIRST OTHERWISE IT ALL LOOKS LIKE AN INTELLECTUAL DEBATE BUT WITH NO RESOLVE AT ALL. WE MUST KEEP IN MIND THAT THE RESOLVE OF OUR ISSUES IS CONDITIONAL TO DISARMAMENT AND USE THAT MONEY TO UPGRADE THE LIVING STANDARDS OF THE POOR AND THE DENIED.

[@HotelGoldenTree]

Clean n clear facts stated by the author about so called secular Jinnah. Jinnah who was converted to Sunni, did not have understanding, how bad or worse Pakistan will be for minorities and even Non Sunni population. I won't be surprised if in future they issue fatwa that Shia are non Muslim. 🙏

[@Hamza-fr1gj]

Says an indian.. where Muslims are butchered for beef

[@1525boy]

Jinnah seemed to be very confused and full of contradictions.

[@nvherman257]

That whi PhD on quaid e azam is not allowed

[@nadim606]

Saw it

[@pyarahindustani8553]

India has 200 million muslims, hindus are almost extinct in Pakistan.

[@nvherman257]

Man you need education there are 8 million hindu in sindh plz donot go for Godi media secondly india population and Pakistan has much difference it is illogical to compare

[@farouqomaro598]

Can't believe the hatred in the comment section. God bless these people

[@karunayashoda36999]

After direct action day, breaking india, un necessary repeated attacks on indian sovereignty by Pak army and Pak sponsored terrorists what u expect.

[@karunayashoda36999]

Their hate is reaction of ur hate.

[@farouqomaro598]

@@karunayashoda36999 This is your problem. When did I hate them?? You lump everyone together. And you base your judgement of an entire community on a small group.

[@farouqomaro598]

@@karunayashoda36999 There were large pockets of Muslims who were against the actions of the Muslim League and its supporters. Muslims in the NWFP were pro-Congress. Muslims in Balochistan were against Pakistan. Congress Muslim leaders like Maulana Azad had a large following. Nehru should take the blame also on Direct Action Day. It happened because he reneged on the agreements in the Cabinet Mission Plan. At the Cabinet Mission Plan, Jinnah had agreed to a united India. But Nehru did not keep to his word

[@karunayashoda36999]

Oh no, don't try to give a clean chit to jinna. Even if jinna had dis agreements with nehru that does not justify and change the fact what jinna did. Call for direct action day was given by jinna, which lead to blood shed of innocent indians.indians will never forget that.

[@081947]

Ishtaq Sahib, renowned and learned scholar, omits for some reasons, Bengal, Assam and Sindh's contribution and role in the Freedom movement. In these particular areas muslims had less hatred for non-muslims and took the struggle for social justice.

[@hubaab83]

Nice sir

[@sabitadas8686]

Fake

[@hanumandehru7388]

kuran dont give equal right and against humanity.

[@nvherman257]

Wait what quran has given equal right to every single human in state affairs for example if In justice is done against minority then he has rights to go court and sue kahlifa

[@Tech-oe2ko]

Sadly, this didn’t go as Dr. Hoodbhoy expected 😅

[@farhanathar2256]

How exactly, please tell me I haven't watched it 😂

[@Tech-oe2ko]

@@farhanathar2256 ok then watch it

[@farhanathar2256]

@@Tech-oe2ko please give me a summary. I don't want to hear PHB BSing

[@basharatnauman8355]

@@farhanathar2256 haha... Dr Ishtiaq Ahmed proved that Jinnah wanted pakistan... 😁

[@farhanathar2256]

@@basharatnauman8355 lol. Hoodhby in the mud

[@durgeshbari504]

Mr. Gandhi, Mr. Jinna had no matter about Pakistan. America wanted land for battlefield against USSR and Chaina.