Did Mr.Jinnah Really Want Pakistan? (Urdu) Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed & Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy

[@RakeshVerma-ys7kh]

Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed's work is gold standard. Thank you Prof.

[@arijitdakshi820]

Prof. Ahmed's lifetime efforts contribute to any possibilities of understanding and reconciliation between the two bitterly inimical nations. Prof. Ahmed has contributed enormously to world peace. This is also true of Prof Hoodbhoy. I had the good fortune of attending to Prof Hoodbhoy's memorable 'post-dinner' talk at Sutlej hostel, JNU during my student days sometime between 2001-2006. I even had a brief chat with him after the Q&A session.

[@irfanhuq5918]

Jaswant Singh has also written a book on Jinah of 700 pages or more these individuals never mentioned it.

[@RakeshVerma-ys7kh]

@@irfanhuq5918 Oh Jaswant Singh, Advani wrote hear say, Ayesha Jalal tried a commercial version, but Dr. Ahmad 's book is like evidence based and unbiased text book in my opinion.

[@AmjadKhan-py6bo]

A response to Peevez Houdbhoy for his Anti -Quranic and Anti True Islamic way of thinking and we present in defiance with challenging data from The Quran,so everybody is invited to listen the whole lecture with care.. Thanks kzbin.info/www/bejne/faCThnape5yWlbc

[@ghafeershah5804]

سچی تاریخ

[@rajatbhattacharjee5894]

Great personalities ..... few of them left in Pakistan. respect from India

[@independentnationalist1740]

This old man is in London and other one is barely sustaining inside Pakistan.

[@shahidahmed8050]

A planted person.

[@blparte8838]

Kuch bhi bolega pakistan mai rehta hai ye 😮​@@independentnationalist1740

[@sridharkaushik9290]

Hoodhbhoy is more of a political activist today than a Scientist. This is what happens to most men of Science in Pakistan!

[@iqbalrazacheema384]

یہ سوغاتیں اگر انڈیا کو درکار ہیں تو مفت فراہم کی جا سکتی ہیں۔ لیکن ان کی پھیلائی شر انگیزی کے ہم ذمہ دار نہیں ہونگے۔

[@drijazdurrani]

For all intent and purposes, Barrister MA Jinnah was an atheist ( No Offence meant, intentional or otherwise). He did not know much about the Religious Bigots on the loose. He was the only spokesman for Muslims of India. After using all bargaining chips, the vivisection of the Sacred Cow , became inevitable and was undertaken. 1.5 million people were massacred at the time of Partition. Men and women who had lived under a modus vivendi for centuries , broke all barriers of civilization when the License to Kill was given them by their respective religions. No holds were barred, no compassion was shown , by killers and arsonists on all sides. When Mr Jinnah realized the gravity of what had happened , he was consumed with consumption and died soon after. A voluminous book by Dr Ishtiaq Ahmed ~ 75 years after the Partition and half a century post bifurcation in 1971 , would open old wounds. Suffice it to say, the TNT was a non workable tragedy. The Partition should never have taken place. A United India with Muslims forming ~50% of the total Indian Population would have been a hard NUT TO CRACK. Life certainly would have more competitive!! Concerning MA Jinnah's post Partition Speeches , they were mere window dressing, presenting a softer Image of the Country post the BLOOD BATH!!

[@RavinderKumar-p5q]

Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed is one of top intellectuals of South Asia.

[@bkthakur6880]

With all due respect I would like to ask you, if Jinnah was so secular and reluctant to partition India then why he had given call to 'Direct Action'?

[@rocking4joy]

Just listen to the whole thing, he said that it's a wrong perception that jinnah was secular, he was not. Listen to the end.

[@abhishekmhatre1554]

Being secular doesn't prevent one from being violent. Also, Prof. Ahmed doesn't argue that Jinnah was reluctant to partition India, he actually argues the opposite that he was strongly in favour of it.

[@rakhimukerji7937]

Direct Action was called by Surawardy

[@vasukinagabhushan]

Jinnah was a big hypocrite and a sellout. After causing the first violent religious partition of Bharat in our history of 10,000 years. Corrupt and divisive Jinnah was not a hero.

[@samratsengupta7185]

@@rakhimukerji7937 no it was Jinnah's..Also known as "farewell to constitutional means" speech, it's freely available on the internet just as his "two nation" theory. Suhrawardy saw to its successful implementation.

[@dipakbose2677]

Jinnah’s speech on 11 august 1947 was designed for the British who were the main audience for him on that day. That was a lawyer’s speech. A lawyer can give different speech on different occasions.

[@Salman4u23]

you must be prove before any aligation with Strong Evidance

[@jaydistracted]

We want a longer interview with this learned author!

[@xenium535]

Read all his books.

[@AmjadKhan-py6bo]

A response to Peevez Houdbhoy for his Anti -Quranic and Anti True Islamic way of thinking and we present in defiance with challenging data from The Quran,so everybody is invited to listen the whole lecture with care.. Thanks kzbin.info/www/bejne/faCThnape5yWlbc

[@Tagore603]

Happiness expressed by Congress leaders on August 15 1947 was for independence of India and not for creation of Pakistan.

[@jogendersingh1354]

Finally someone came with facts!!!

[@AmjadKhan-py6bo]

A response to Peevez Houdbhoy for his Anti -Quranic and Anti True Islamic way of thinking and we present in defiance with challenging data from The Quran,so everybody is invited to listen the whole lecture with care.. Thanks kzbin.info/www/bejne/faCThnape5yWlbc

[@unknown1351]

1:40 it was sir syed ahmed khan who proposed 2 nation theory not Jinnah

[@GD-ei8pi]

My respect to both of you sir. This is not independence where people lost their birth place.I am an Indian who lost birthplace of ancestors. Respect from India.🙏

[@Salman4u23]

I agree with your thoughts because my parents are from India. My mother's entire family is in India, and my father's family is half in Karachi and half in Punjab. Our entire family was separated, and we were left behind. The Partition destroyed our families, and we never met again. There are many problems here too, and there are many problems there too. However, the countries that became independent after Indo-Pak are ahead of us. Somehow, India is ahead of Pakistan.

[@GGG-io1br]

Why you are hiding The undeniable fact which i that India has the largest population of beggars, homeless, jobless, hungry, Bathroom less, with world largest population of prostitutes plus caste system, Racism and discrimination, violence against minorities and low caste citizens, repeatedly HR Violations, lynching, hate, crimes against female and anti minority politics.

[@rebasingh258]

Dr. Istiak Ahmad and Dr. Parvez Hoodbhoy are highly educated and sensible scholars. They deserve the respect of all Indians and Pakistanis.

[@alihashim6228]

just finished watching a series of videos that were hosted by Pervez Hoodbhoy featuring Dr Ishtiaq Ahmed a Punjabi, Pakistani political scientist who migrated to Sweden and became a professor at Stockholm university. In these videos Dr Ishtiaq criticizes Mr. Jinnah roundly for his handling of the partition, his ego, and his lack of empathy for the killings that took place after partition. He says that unlike the leaders of Congress Mr. Jinnah did not spend one night in jail and did not write any book. He was a good lawyer hired by the nawabs of India to argue their case for partition with the British. He also states that Mr Jinnah when asked what would become of the Muslims left behind in India , said at Kanpur that he was willing to sacrifice 20 million Muslims left behind there if they hindered the creation of Pakistan and partition of India. On the other hand he pays great tributes to Mr Gandhi and Nehru and other Congress leaders for their foresight, sympathy towards Muslims and for their broadminded secular outlook. He says that Jinnah was not a liberal and the August 11 speech that is quoted to support his liberal stance post partition was just one of many speeches and one swallow does not make a spring. All Jinnah's speeches before and after this were based on the division and differences between Hindus and Muslims and the argument that they could not live together after the British left. He says that Jinnah sahib knew that in order to get Pakistan there had to be communal riots which would convince the British of his point of view and did nothing to stop them. He says nothing about Allama Iqbal the poet who first gave the idea of Pakistan and does not acknowledge any contribution from Raja sahib of Mahmudabad who bank rolled the country-Pakitan for the first few years. In summary he paints a very dark picture of Jinnah and his Pakistan. Due to his supprt for the Congress point of view and praise for Mr. Nehru and Gandhi, hi books have received very wide readership in India and he is invited frequently for talks there where he further elaborates his point of view on Mr. Jinnah and his failures. Coming from a Punjabi this is quite strange. If here is any one group that benefited most from the creation of Pakistan it is the Punjabis in Pakistan. Dr Ishtiaq cites references for each of his statements and one will have to believe him although reluctantly. one technique thathe does use as dio all people who want to propage a particular point of view is to make selective choices of incidents and their references. He gives the impression from his writings an illustartes it further in his talks by examples which show that HIndus , sikhs and muslims were living peacefully in pakitan , india before and after partition and contue to have love for each other after it. While this may be tru, he fails to point out that the killings of Sikhs in Rawalpindi by the punjabi mulims was the one most important factor that caused the massive communal riots, in Punjab and he murder of over one million people in Punjab which then spread to other parts of India. He fails to point out that the so called Kashmir problem between Indai and Pakistan is essentially a Punjabi punjabi problem. a urdu speaking or sindhi speaking person in Pakistan has little or no interest in it. The little interest that is generated in these parts is by invoking the religious nature of the problem. IF a book like this was written by an Urdu speaking person, I would find it easier to understand since the partition that took place essentially sacrificed the Muslims living in the Muslim minority provinces on the altar of Pakistani nation hood. The ones who came over to Pakistan did not do much better since they were discriminated in government jobs, by quotas for Karachi where the majority had settled and were restricted in joining the Armyand other forces. The well to do of them migrated to other parts of the world and the ones that could not were condemned to live in ghettos in Karachi and Hyderabad and were constantly faced violence from the Patahns and others living in these cities. So complaints against Jinnah's Pakistan would sound more reasonable from them. But criticism of Jinnah coming from a Punjabi who was given a country on a silver platter by Jinnah are beyond comprehension. My main point is that, I wonder why this book and videos are coming out at this time. I have no problem with Hindus and Muslims living peace fully together in India and Pakistan. I think Pakistan and India should resolve their differences peacefully and infact have argue inmy blogs that the Kashmir dispute is just a red herring and Pakistan should not pursue it. etc. etc. And if the references that Dr Ishtiaq cites are correct then his position on Jinah and Pakistan are perhaps tenable. However, what makes me a bit uneasy is the timing of all this coming out and the suspicion that there may be more than what meets the eye in all this. You see, when one has to destroy a nation one needs to weaken its institutions like the Judiciary, the Army , the police the bureaucracy and others. we have already done a very good job of all this ourselves. over the last 20 years or so. The only thing that some old fools like my self still hold onto is the notion that perhaps Mr. Jinnah tried his best and did not get enough time after partition or things would have been better in Pakistan today. These are the lingering strands of nationhood that still exist in some minds like mine. To completely destroy a nation, it is necessary to snatch these remaining life lines of nation hood and extinguish ALL hopes so that even people like myself would be forced to say: that Pakistan was a bad experiment that did not work out so let us close the book and move on. This , I think is the ultimate objective of these videos and books. If this is so then we need to see who would benefit from such a situation, Perhaps it is a ploy from the West in conjunction with its partners in the region. Just like it is said that the creation of Pakistan was in fact a part of the greater western strategy to have a client state in south Asia which could be used against the Soviet Union after the WW II . Now that the Soviet Union has been destroyed and Russia effectively contained there is no need for such a client state. To combat the new western Enemy China, teh west already has the enthusiastic support of India - so there is no need for Pakistan. It is expendable. The aspirations of the local people or their concerns do not figure in these grand strategies. so too bad if some Pakistanis do not like this outcome. To pursue this theory further, i would want to investigate the financial flows that have supported DR. Ishtiaq's works. People like Pervez Hoodbhoy have enthusiastically agreed with what he says. I cannot disagree with much of what he says (if he has not cheated on his references) , but have questions about his selective methods of analysis and concerns on why he is saying all this at this time. So I would caution the audience and intellectuals like Pervez Hoodbhoy to be a bit more critical in their thinking before swallowing all this hook line and sinker. I would be grateful for comments on this note from friends and not so friendly people.

[@bhaloo1964]

I agree with you. As far as this interview is concerned, this is "yak naa shud 2 shud".. Both these guys are dehriyas and they never hide this fact. Frankly speaking, the ideology of Pakistan was based on 2 nation theory which was in fact based on religion. Therefore, the views or work of atheists are irrelevant or biased at best

[@qaisarmunir2083]

Thanks for writing an elaborate note. My question is why this book only focuses on Jinnah's shortcomings and not on the Hindu extremist's side and shortcomings. Jinnah politics was a reaction to an extremely polarized British India. it was his mistake to think about a united India at the time in early stage of his career. No doubt Jinnah was working for Muslims and not Hindus. The state of minorities in India is so bad in the presence of the BJP that India is no longer a secular state after 76 years so this provides ample proof that Jiannah was right in making of PK. Yes, PK has not done well for its people but that is not Jiannah's fault. It is all due to bad politics after his death. Jiannah is not able to come out from his grave now to correct all this mess after his death. Better to let him sleep until the final doom day.

[@ramizraja3441]

5f ch 2

[@Kworld2002]

Hey, Ali, I completely agree with the points you highlighted in the comment. I would really appreciate it if you could recommend any book on this topic.

[@saadiaahmed6617]

Brilliant analysis, and I being Urdu speaking shudder to think, what the future holds for us. On social media, I am seeing a lot of videos that are exactly doing what you highlighted; villianizing the founder of Pakistan and all Islamic conquests. Destroying the state by polluting the institutions and building a self loathing identity narrative through use of soft power. So where do we head? If this country disintegrates, are we on the brink of another bloodied engulfment?

[@dharamewada6922]

The Aim of history is to put across" Forgive but don't forget , if you don't remember your past one is condemned to repeat it "

[@ahmadisrar9446]

.Dr Ishtiaq is very correct,indian never wanted division of India,but they had to agree with this demand very unhappily.

[@kausarkhan9814]

The Interview should long last..covering all aspects...we are awaiting much discourse on the topic..Thanks for your precious time..

[@KidsStories9999]

When I was in UK I used to listen English thinkers talks on Indian partitioning. They were unanimous that Queen would have lost power by leaving united India behind. So Indian split was as per English rulers design. Indian Hindus supported Muslims for more than seven hundred years and living together for such a long time they became accustomed to Muslim traditions. Even at partitioning Hindus leaving Pakistan were financially well off than Muslims. Its a tragedy that English people exploited Mughals incompetency and took over this region. during its 100 years rule East India Company destroyed the religious harmony between the people of united India through their famous doctrine of divide and rule and still we see that culture in the establishments of India and Pakistan.

[@msr7373]

but why would queen loose all her powers by leaving india united? First of all there was no queen ruling Britain at that time (it was King George, father of Queen Elizabeth), second partition or no partition, Britain was suppose to leave india in any circumstances, infact leaving a united india would have been less difficult for them as they just had to transfer the power to Congress and leave.

[@narayanshenvi8154]

Brits snatched power from Marathas and Sikhs not from Moghuls.

[@KidsStories9999]

@@msr7373 I used the word Queen as head of British Empire. Historically its correct that King George was there at that time. Brits generally do not colonize a state for more than 100 years and its true that they were leaving India anyway. Partitioning was actually aimed at multidimensional objectives; the main being to secure trade routes and security of the region. Through partition Brits cleverly plugged hot spots, probably ten in number, in the region and the capacities of the armies left behind were never built to combat levels so that they may not become a threat in the future. These were merely a better form of police forces to control the respective areas. Generals promotions are vigilantly observed and we may see that none of Pakistani or Indian generals have a combat mind. They, however, are good policemen. other objective was to keep a check on India through Pakistan and to China through India. So we see whenever there is any military buildup on Indian side West shall always support Pakistan while against China they shall support India. This system worked well to pass through industrial age. Now West is getting into high tech activities and they have moved low tech industry to India and China. Now Gulf oil and our man power are no more important and land routes don't need that much security. In the coming years we may see a complete change in the existing financial, educational and state systems that might be a step forward to a more civilized societies.

[@KidsStories9999]

@@narayanshenvi8154 Initially Brits cleverly used local lords of these communities to disintegrate Mughal Empire and then suppressed Sikhs and Marathas to establish their Raj in the subcontinent.

[@TMBpk]

There is no such thing as "united India". Stop with the romanticism of British colonialism. British India was never a country, it was a colony of Britain.

[@guddusahani7306]

The problem is that Pakistan doesn't want to know the truth

[@nasikamuralikrishna4758]

Partition of British India has resulted in the prevention of Islamisation of people of remaining Indian subcontinent. Pakistan is declared as a monocultural society with majority religious rights due to phobia of other religions whereas India is declared as a multicultural society with minority religious rights. Read those judgements of various high courts and supreme court on minority religious rights in Indian constitution. Utilising this, large scale en-masse conversations are taking place into Christianity and now Hindus are reduced to 50 to 60 percent or less.

[@Salman4u23]

and what about RSS and Hindutwa

[@mohammedfarid9161]

Conveniently forgetting persecution of largest minority in India and almost daily lynching of non Hindu(Muslims),claiming Ram mandhars under every existing masjid. The 2nd class citizens status given and falsehood propaganda insinuating conversion of Hindu women.Yea that India with daily rhetoric against anything to do with religion of this largest minority anywhere on earth. Hypocrisy is why partition happened.If the Brahmans hadn't blocked Lahori Muslims from using the shared water facilities or numerous other major cities where Brahmans practiced outright prejudice against Muslims & other so called lower caste Hindus,than ther wouldn't have been any need for partition. Once you look into your acts of disparity then May gain wisdom but until than spare us your ignorance & hypocrisy.

[@dugyan]

Great program! What a breath of fresh air. The humanism, morality, and rationality of Dr Hoodbhoy are like a lamp that lights up the darkest corners of obscurantism, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness. Looking forward to many more programs. If possible, please increase the duration of the program so that issues can be covered in depth.

[@AmjadKhan-py6bo]

A response to Peevez Houdbhoy for his Anti -Quranic and Anti True Islamic way of thinking and we present in defiance with challenging data from The Quran,so everybody is invited to listen the whole lecture with care.. Thanks kzbin.info/www/bejne/faCThnape5yWlbc

[@anujay81]

The speech delivered by Jinnah on 11th August 1947, which was vouching for secularism, after that he didn't talked about secularism at all. In fact the speech, which was blacked out by his own newspaper Dawn, was an eye wash for preventing persecution of non-muslims in Pakistan and stopping migration of muslims from India to Pakistan.

[@AmjadKhan-py6bo]

A response to Peevez Houdbhoy for his Anti -Quranic and Anti True Islamic way of thinking and we present in defiance with challenging data from The Quran,so everybody is invited to listen the whole lecture with care.. Thanks kzbin.info/www/bejne/faCThnape5yWlbc

[@DipakBose-bq1vv]

Jinnah was a lawyer and he could mould his lecture according to the audience. The audience in 11 August 1947 were mainly the British. Thus, he pretended to be a secularist in front of them.

[@rizwanzamir3755]

Muslims were slaughtered in the Eastern side by Sikhs and Hindus, influenced by Savarkar. Will Hindus realise this fact? One must face the truth.

[@fazalullahsyed2528]

He died after this speech, 11 September 1948

[@Tmaxar]

Jinnah came back from England with the agenda to divide this part of the world.

[@annnilsson501]

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[@sajaldas7695]

Jinnah was the advocate of Muslim Nawabs and Jamindars, who thought if India was handed over to the popular political party - Congress then their hold over Muslim population will be lost and they will be reduced to mere ordinary citizens. Unlike the Congress leaders Muslim Leaguer's never went to jail and enjoyed benefits from British. Hence they faded away when partition achieved.

[@shaymureedbaloch6700]

1947 Mein Toh BALOCHISTAN, Pakistan ka hissa nhe tha.Jo Baad Pakistan army ne jabran Qabza Kiya 27March 1948 ko.

[@ravinderpalsingh4225]

Dear Ishtiaq and Pervez, the happiness and celebrations that were observed in India and Pakistan were for gaining independence from the British Rule. However, the deep pain and anguish experienced on the both sides was in fleeing from death, destruction and rioting of the partition. The two communities were torn asunder from their centuries old habitat to go and find new habitations of hate. Please read Amrita Pritam on partition. Ishtiaq you seemed to have aged more than Pervez. With warm regards Ravi Singh

[@asangha182]

Very aptly explained, Singh sahib..

[@vhtevhte]

The sufferings of Sikhs and Hindus was far greater.They were chased out systematically of the areas which are now called Pakistan.Nobody chased Muslims out of India,they went out of their free will, now being called Mohajirs.

[@ravinderpalsingh4225]

@@vhtevhte you may have only heard of systematic killings in Pakistan, my early memories are of growing up in refugee tents. I am not clear what you meant by saying Hindus and Sikhs suffered more than Muslims? Even as refugees fleeing to India we were not welcomed by co-relgionists in the neighbouring states of Rajasthan and UP. As refugees, we were called "Uncivilzed Punjabis" it reveals an inbred resentment of the other. Does this hate carry on even to this day, is the question? Growing up some years later, I felt ashamed when I heard of killings in several districts in the Eastern Punjab. Unless we shed this politics of hate and resentment for the other communities and castes, we will keep on killing to even the score, whether in India or in Pakistan. It is important that we become humans instead of systematic.

[@damn738]

@@vhtevhte now you got it so shut the crap up !!! There were more muslims who migrated then those who come out from punjab even if we work on data bcs 14% of sikhs and hindus in exchange there were 35% of muslims from east punjab and from other parts like rajasthan up haryana they couldn't make it so obviously atrocities faced by muslims were more i mean were they in position to fight when the army was against them and their own so called brothers in independence were fighting against them ... One thing i would say sikhs should had been atleast been careful but they didnt and their loss was massive they could have talked to muslim leaders

[@vhtevhte]

@@damn738 Our government has taken the right decision of not recognising Pakistani degrees.It is simple mathematics.Total Muslim population in India is 25 cr more than the population of Pakistan.Hindus in Pakistan non existent.There cannot be any argument on the subject.So called educated Pakistani people coming up with some non existent statistics.This reflects why Pakistani citizens cannot even elect their own PM.Cannot pay medicine bills.People below poverty line growing by the hour.Chaos not a country.People who don't accept mistakes will have to go downhill.There is no scope for upward mobility.

[@shajioman2462]

By the way . If we obey Dr ambedkar's opinion (100%population exchange) means in from Pakistan bring all minority into India) it was perfect deal.

[@adwaitab.3622]

Now what is done is done. No need to force anyone to leave

[@anonymouslyopinionated656]

it also included non-muslims (well Sikhs/Hindus/Parsis at least), to move to India... but Jinnah wanted the Dalits to stay behind to do menial labour

[@hudabaig5990]

You are misleading people whether Jinnah was certain to partition both countries or it was the circumstances that had changed the course whatever lead us to become independent one thing that still stands is that his decision was practical till date for Muslims after we see the way they treat Kashmirs

[@kyabe5813]

@@hudabaig5990 from the way Pakistanis have treated Hindus and Sikhs, and have managed their economy and education, it is clear that you guys didn't deserve us. You need to sink further below and grovel at China's door before you realize that partitioning a 5000 year old civilization was a mistake.

[@liaquatarain5338]

Same BS, from sensible person

[@zohraimam6597]

حیرت ہہے کہ دو قومی نظریے کی بنیاد پر بننے والے ملک میں اتنی زیادہ زیادہ قومیت موجود ہیں ۔ اللّٰہ تعالیٰ پاکستانی قوم کو شکر گزار قوم بنادیں ۔ آمین ۔

[@arvindkumarverma8154]

Your honest approach is like spiritual discourse. May God bless you 🙏 ❤

[@Yash-uo4jm]

2 scholars are discussing while "Aree gere unpad log" is criticising them

[@talha2024]

Oh bhai, they're discussing this topic for the people. So, every one has a right to criticise them or be agree with them.

[@Yash-uo4jm]

@@talha2024 But you can't deny a fact though. can you?

[@LucasKsh]

@@talha2024 uncle people here are throwing opinion on the fly based on irrelevant who said who and not fact based challenge to the book which itself is like a sophisticated research book.btw i have ordered the book :)

[@sahirasgher5279]

Yeah sure mr. Einstein.

[@sahirasgher5279]

@ yash

[@NasreenJKhan]

Two intellectuals of Pakistan. I would love to listen them more often

[@atanughosal01]

For sure ... its a pure listening pleasure when 2 educated historians debate over these issues ..wondering how to lay hand on that 800 pager book ... do we know who the publishers are ??

[@ashishmohite6766]

You two are hindu and musalman so respect the border and stay away from each other

[@atanughosal01]

@@ashishmohite6766 Cant be more stupid than this ... while I will respect the border, cause as it stands today they are two sovereign states ... why exactly do I need to stay away from each other ?? ..where exactly is this stupid hatred stemming from ?

[@arijitdakshi820]

@@ashishmohite6766 you may keep your unsolicited counsel to yourself. Besides, if you are so keen, please patrol the border yourself rather than being a cowardly armchair sipaahi of the Hindu Nation. 🕉️🕉️

[@ashishmohite6766]

@@atanughosal01 not hatred but an advice in public.

[@urmilla_p]

Dr ishtiaq is very genuine and goes into all depths to bring out the facts..nd disclose them..

[@realisticdata839]

The video was a bit short. Good Q n A by Prof. Hoodbhoy and Dr. Ahmed. Reality can be distorted but can't be changed. Good work Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed.

[@AmjadKhan-py6bo]

A response to Peevez Houdbhoy for his Anti -Quranic and Anti True Islamic way of thinking and we present in defiance with challenging data from The Quran,so everybody is invited to listen the whole lecture with care.. Thanks kzbin.info/www/bejne/faCThnape5yWlbc

[@amitsah7207]

जिन्नाह की ख्वाहिश और मुसलमानों की ख्वाहिश पूरी हुई बहुत बहुत बधाई

[@muzzamilhussaingondal5419]

Thanks for your valuable feedback on this issue.

[@SaiyyadInnayaYassir]

❤❤❤❤❤❤🇮🇳ishtiaq Ahmed is most loved scholar.... Love ❤u from India 🇮🇳

[@AmjadKhan-py6bo]

A response to Peevez Houdbhoy for his Anti -Quranic and Anti True Islamic way of thinking and we present in defiance with challenging data from The Quran,so everybody is invited to listen the whole lecture with care.. Thanks kzbin.info/www/bejne/faCThnape5yWlbc

[@SadguruPrernaTrust]

Who should be held responsible for 5 million deaths horror during the partition !

[@antiantidisestablishmentar3921]

Handler's of partition, British. Partition was mismanaged. Thousands of people migrated after 1947 in much more peaceful environment cz of well managed procedure. Muslim majority Kashmir region is also the reminiscent of diverting from division plan and sowing the seeds of enimty between India and Pakistan.

[@suryaprakashkoli6680]

Islam

[@rajhegde5955]

Muslim league forced British raj and Congress and the Islamic radicalism of Muslim league is the reason of bloodshed in 1946 & 1947 There are lots of Mullahs who contributed to this bloodshed Direct action day in 1946 by Jinnah and his boot lickers is one example

[@rajhegde5955]

@@suryaprakashkoli6680 Well said Bloodshed in any part of the world is contributed by this cult 😍 The most pissful ideology 😍🤩

[@shankariyer8378]

How does it help, anyway? The way forward is to analyse and not make such mistakes and begin a process of reconciliation. From Pak side reconciliation wont be easy because of the military and the fundamentalists. Even after partition Pak has continued anti India terrorism by a thousand cuts. Healing process is next to impossible. India would care a damn if only terrorism stops. How is India otherwise concerned with Pakistan? We wish Pak well However, the terrorism must stop. That alone will bring peace. And Pakistan has no control over terrorism. In fact the world has no control on religion being used for terrorism.

[@azeem_lahori-punjabi]

Thanks for both Professors for this informative discussion.

[@eyecatcher327]

جو وہ ہمیں دے گئے ہیں اسکی حفاظت اور ترقی ہر ایک کا قومی فریضہ بنتا ہے۔

[@zahidilyas6725]

kon dy gia

[@tariqjamil3898]

پاکستان قائد کا احسان ھے۔ 1971 میں آدھا احسان اتار دیا ھے باقی کا آدھا بھی بہت جلد اتار دیں گے۔ قوم کی انتھک محنت جاری ھے۔

[@hamzarefik7779]

Ye fareeza ap hi ko mubarak.

[@rubyjackass]

Thank you Ishtiaq Saab. This is the conclusion anyone will get to if they choose to just read Ayesha Jalal's book(or even Jaswant Singh's book) and form an independent opinion on Jinnah's motivations based solely on facts mentioned in the books. There is a cottage industry of Jinnahpologia with people like Jalal and Yasser Latif Hamdani ascribe noble intentions to Jinnah based on some gymnastic psychoanalysis without any basis in facts about Jinnah's words. Looking forward to reading your book.

[@Dendronish]

Is Jaswant Singh too a Jinnah apologist?

[@rubyjackass]

@@Dendronish Undoubtedly. He does not even call himself a historian. These people romanticize Jinnah as a misunderstood hero(based on his actions when he was in Congress. Fewer fiction writers can accomplish such immediate character empathy) and blame Nehru for decisions taken as fait accompli, when, in speech after speech, Jinnah tries to burnish his communal credentials and Nehru his secular and socialist ones. I can only speculate as to the motivations of Jaswant Singh. As a hypothesis charitable to his intellect, I would say BJP kind of people want to blame everything on Nehru, so they absolve Jinnah of his sins. And Pakistanis ride on this BS train of RSS because it suits them to perpetuate their own myths -that their leader was secular(which Pakistani liberals hope against truth) or that he wanted Pakistan as a last straw to 'save' muslims from Hindus(some Islamists and majority of Pakistani centre wants validation of their state).

[@Hamza-fr1gj]

@@rubyjackass lmao yeah all of them are fiction writers while this biased writers is a historian 🤣

[@zafranwazir1227]

Sir hope you leave long I never watched your videos find it on mooro podcast now I am watching and listening everyone.... Great professor ❤️❤️❤️

[@TechVirtue]

After watching people like Pervez Hoodbhoy, it is becoming very clear that being good in Physics or Electronics does not necessarily mean the person is unbiased or unopinionated. It is quite easy to discount this Hoodbhoy.

[@UmeshSingh-ti9dz]

It's nice to such an intellectual discussion on pakistani portal... After partition Gandhi ji had done protest for paying 56 crore to pakistan... Even Gandhi ji given statement that, partition will be on my dead body..

[@Hamza-fr1gj]

@Sandeep k copy paste bheekari spotted

[@bhagwanpdsinha1142]

Kindly tell me , How can I get this book in India ❓ I am eager to read this book after listening to your video

[@gladalok]

One in million Pakistan can speak the truth at desired times that too with fellow academician......

[@AmjadKhan-py6bo]

A response to Peevez Houdbhoy for his Anti -Quranic and Anti True Islamic way of thinking and we present in defiance with challenging data from The Quran,so everybody is invited to listen the whole lecture with care.. Thanks kzbin.info/www/bejne/faCThnape5yWlbc

[@ikramghauri9179]

I just didn't understand what quaid e azam meant when he said " I will have the muslims of Hindu majority provinces martyred and smash them". When Hindus were being slaughtered in Karachi he couldn't stop that saying that nobody listened to him. This excuse sounds familiar. Imran also says his" masters" didn't allow him to function . What a defeatist explanation by quaid. In case of imran one can understand.

[@dr.naheedziakhan3539]

I highly respect Dr. Hoodbhoy and his contribution to mass awareness. That said, it took me quite some time to understand Jinnah's perspective. His human frailties notwithstanding, the man was tall. Ideology is not fixed. It is an instrument and has been blatantly used even in the so called 'Free World.' Jinnah's faith, discipline and unity have been even more misinterpreted than the two nation theory. It was faith in conviction, discipline in public life and unity in diversity. Hoodbhoy Sahib, you are a good scholar. Please do not tread in murky terrine.

[@durgeshsingh5220]

Basically Jinnah was a hypocrite. He divided the nation based on religion and then thereafter put up mask of secularism without any concrete plan for upliftment of left out minorities in Pakistan. That show he was simply keen to pursue his agenda what suits him without any vision, leaving the nation in lurch after his demise.

[@munshimarufhossain4359]

History is NOT Science hence there is lots of scope of MISINTERPRETATIONS, When Khilafat agitation was going on, and it was led by Femous Ali Brothers ,Gandhiji SUPPORTED them,Jinha asked Gandhiji why Congress being a Secular Party could support a religious of Khilafat Party? Gandhiji' s reply was as it was against the British so we supported! Jinha was not satisfied( it was in the mid 1920s) In the early 1930s Jinha left for England & started practicing Law there but due to some unknown reasons he came back and joined Muslim League ( !!) and became the most IMPORTANT leader of ot!! Who finally demanded a separate homeland, if very objectively analyzed Congress had NOT objected the demand Vociferously, though Gandhiji alone said it will happen on my deadbody When the Bargain was at peak the Congress boycotted Crisp MISSION to bury all chances of keeping the country united as ML proposed to make the United Country of Federal Structure keeping only four Portfolios (Defence,Finance,Communications & External Affairs) with the Central Govt and rest with the States,which Congress didn't agree In the

[@alphaking_pes_player]

To the point answers with evidence by Dr Isthiaq sahib, this is called proper research. Nice to see Dr. Hoodbuoy challenged him properly.

[@vish2ual]

I believe, it's high time that people of Pakistan must shed image of identifying themselves with religion. Even some people in India must shun the same

[@zion-istslayer]

Now, it's not really a matter of what he wanted or not, what matters the most is to fix the problems that are prevailing within Pakistan. A true Islamic State, an epitome of a state, but instead of that, we find extremists on both sides.

[@akkhan2547]

Huge difference in intellectual standing of both. Dr ishtiyaq ahmed Is love 🖤

[@rpsingh7697]

Ji sir is kitab ka Hindi ya urdu tarjuma mil sakta hai kya, agar hua hai to kitab kahan se mileygi ? Plz inform kareyn. Thanks.

[@girirajsinghkushwaha2530]

I have read this very well and convincingly written book! Indian and Pakistani readers will enjoy reading it!

[@alex24296tt]

0:52 correction. 11th August speech not 14th August

[@anujay81]

He said that Jinnah made that speech 3 days before 14th August 1947, not on 14th August 1947.

[@seemab309]

Qaid e azam wants pakistan because it was a need of this region of muslims

[@nomadicmritunjaya774]

Accha to pakistan banake kya kar liya tumne , agar islamic state hi solution tha prob ka to bangladesh kyu bana ye batao

[@mehranbaloch2173]

Free Balochistan from Punjabi converts.

[@LucasKsh]

@@mehranbaloch2173 love from india to balochis

[@72furqan]

Good to see rational academic discussion. I am also a keen reader. According to my findings the beneficiary of a split India was in fact the West. Both Jinnah and Gandhi realized it very well. Mahatma Gandhi was assassinated just after his announcement of long march from Rajasthan to Karachi. I think his intention was to make a United State of India, just as per pattern of today's EU. Sooner or later India, Pakistan and Bangladesh will realize that it is in the benefit of their people to have a common currency, join forces, and one foreign policy. Now the West also needs these countries united so that their war with China/Russia can be held back in Asia. Time seems not far.

[@shreeyanksinghvi7748]

i have seen 1000s of masjid have been destroyed latest one peshawar by bomb blast in pakistan by ttp (monster created by pakistan army to disturb peace in india ) can u give me example in which masjid have been destroyed by bomb blast in india inflation in india 6% inflation in Pakistan 40% whose is more happier Pakistani india export 900 billion dollar Pakistan export 30 billion india forex $600 dollar Pakistan forex $3 billion 8 lakh muslim pakistanl left Pakistan fortress of islam 2 lakh(10000 Indian muslim) india left india in 2022 india population 140 crore Pakistan population 22 crore now u decide who is more happier Pakistani musalman or Indian muslaman

[@jkishan1964]

Happy New Year 2021 Professor sahab, Fanatics will not like you there, we respect your views regarding humanity and knowledgeable person like you will be welcomed here, my Best Wishes 🌹

[@mkgupta6272]

👍👍👌👌👌

[@AmjadKhan-py6bo]

A response to Peevez Houdbhoy for his Anti -Quranic and Anti True Islamic way of thinking and we present in defiance with challenging data from The Quran,so everybody is invited to listen the whole lecture with care.. Thanks kzbin.info/www/bejne/faCThnape5yWlbc

[@DavidSmith12-cu2qs]

Great information, lots of respect for Dr.Pervez Hoodbhoy and Dr.Ishtiaq Ahmed.

[@javedkureishi64]

where can we buy the book?

[@AmjadKhan-py6bo]

A response to Peevez Houdbhoy for his Anti -Quranic and Anti True Islamic way of thinking and we present in defiance with challenging data from The Quran,so everybody is invited to listen the whole lecture with care.. Thanks kzbin.info/www/bejne/faCThnape5yWlbc

[@waheedm9774]

Why did you cut @14:38 ????????

[@calculus8010]

Very informative talk. Thanks to both the Scholar.

[@abdullahiftikhar419]

Jitni lanat aur nahusat iss banday k muh pe hy utni he bakwasoyat se bhari hui baaat cheet ye sahab farma rhe hain

[@Shivrajpro318]

Appreciate Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed Hard Work

[@aamirabbasi7278]

Great work by doctor Ishtiaq Ahmed sb.

[@Hamza-fr1gj]

Biased Historian

[@aamirabbasi7278]

@@Hamza-fr1gj when did you finish the book?

[@Person12762]

Amir abbasi sahib angrezoun nay Pakistan ko apnay maqasad kay liay istamal kerna tha is liay banaya tha Pakistan mein 4 crore log dewaroun say ser takra ker rotay huvay mer gay pagal ho gay thay aur hindustan kee tareekh aisi nahi hey jis tarah Pakistan mein pri jati hey tareekh ko masakh kia hey hindustan mein hindu sikh muslim sub united thay zat system tha religion nahi

[@drmfghani]

آپ دونوں ہی قابل احترام اور قابل تعریف ہیں ۔

[@lifeasislife]

6:07 Its not 2 kohm that cant live together... we have seen that One-Khom cant live in harmony with any other group 😀😁

[@dkhan9456]

Eye opener. Thanks a lot.

[@rajibdhar3148]

Dr.Ishtiaq and Dr.Pervez both are very learned .I always wait for your valuable interpretation.It is correct Jawaharlal Nehru is master mind of partition

[@dipeshlall]

Nehru was the mastermind? Have you read the book. Wow.

[@banerjidb1067]

Dr sb I can see a lot of work done by you to conclude this kind of a thesis … we truely appreciate your work and ideology sir Thanks for illustrating the facts and they are enough to appreciate… we love history and learning it thru you is really appreciated

[@mrknownothing2470]

Jinha, a Gujarati, mainly lived in posh locality in Mulbar Hill Bombay and became very rich lawyer but never lived among Muslim communities, only with Hindus and Parsis. He could speak only Gujarati and English not any other Indian languages. He never went to Mosque until close to his death. He realized that his was very close to death due to his life style, with smoking and drinking which probably caused the incurable TB or lung cancer. So as a shrewd lawyer and just like current politicians he played religious card to create a country to become a head of state so that he would die as such. My dad,a Gujarati and teacher, grew up in South Bombay early in 1920's and as a young man studied both Gandhi and Jinha closely including attending the high court proceedings to observe his arguments and also meeting him personally. He told us that Jinha was a very smart lawyer but never expected that Gandhi would able to unify India against British rule so he never fought for the freedom.He waited until a right time to ask for a separate home land and took very extreme step calling for "Direct Action". Interestingly, I as an engineering intern, had met Jinha's grandson Nusli Wadia in his factory who resembled very like his grandfather.

[@mishalaqeel380]

Yeah u were right with him

[@rmazim500]

You forgot apart from His drinking binges Jinnah was very fond of eating Bacon, Ham and Pork.

[@vasukinagabhushan]

Corrupt Jinnah was a willing pawn in the British plan to partition India.

[@pushpenderrana6190]

Jinnah thought himself to be at least the equal of Nehru,Gandhi and other Congress leaders but being a muslim he realised he could never be PMin a hindu dominated India so he planned and plotted with Churchill and other Western leaders to create Pakistan which would be a vassal state of USA ,UK.From here the western countries could keep an eye onboth USSR and China.Perennial beggar state of Pakistan was only too happy to oblige so long as yhey were paid handsomely for use of their territories

[@sukantamaitra5699]

Great admire to these two intellectuals. I am watching this video 3rd time.

[@gajananpatil2281]

Me too.... 3 rd time I am watching.

[@AmjadKhan-py6bo]

A response to Peevez Houdbhoy for his Anti -Quranic and Anti True Islamic way of thinking and we present in defiance with challenging data from The Quran,so everybody is invited to listen the whole lecture with care.. Thanks kzbin.info/www/bejne/faCThnape5yWlbc

[@jamilmalik6296]

Informative..

[@muhammadshaoor2763]

Two of the great intellectuals of Pakistan 👍

[@AmjadKhan-py6bo]

A response to Peevez Houdbhoy for his Anti -Quranic and Anti True Islamic way of thinking and we present in defiance with challenging data from The Quran,so everybody is invited to listen the whole lecture with care.. Thanks kzbin.info/www/bejne/faCThnape5yWlbc

[@mukhtarmalik6284]

Chaudhry Rehmat Ali issued his pamphalet in 1932 "Now or Never" demanding "PAKSTAN", as well as other states in the then British India. Mr Jinnah rejected th idea saying to students delegation in London, "do you want to divide India again, united after centuries?"

[@anantkokane2707]

26% to 1.6% decline of Hindus and Sikhs in West Pakistan

[@sohailmehmood8561]

Jahil Admi in that 26 percent East Pakistan was also included mostly Hindus were In Bengal.

[@anantkokane2707]

@@sohailmehmood8561 Excactly and you fools tried to eliminate them and ended up eliminating half of your country in 1971

[@zia4550]

32% to 1.9% muslim in East punjab ( gurdaspur, ferozpur were all muslim) so it is balanced. Infact 1 million muslim die in East punjab where as 600,000 Hindu, sikh in West Punjab

[@Shubham-yv7zj]

Wow this book looks interesting, is it available online?

[@feryalaligauhar3905]

Can't believe Dr Hoodbhoy repeatedly referred to the August 11 speech of Mr. Jinnah as the August 14th speech. But even more frustrating was the fact that not a single question posed by Dr. Hoodbhoy was answered adequately by Dr. Ishtiaque due to Dr. Hoodbhoy' s repeated interventions and repetitive summation of points already made . This amounts to poor interviewing techniques. The host should provide a brief context and pose the question, allowing the guest to answer with gentle prompts to keep the focus on the question. This never happened and there seemed to be greater emphasis on gettimg the Urdu purified of all non-urdu expression. This is not necessary in the 21st century. After all, the use of the word ""secular" did eventually creep up, so why insist on laboring on the purity of a spoken language which evolved as an amalgam of several other languages? The interview left one unsatisfied and wondering whether it is enough to be an academic when one broadcasts... After all, if the point is to get the point across, that point was lost in the process of scoring pointless points

[@nomanalirajput]

well it was slip of tongue he clear said three days before making of pakistan.

[@lambdafunctions9648]

read the book and stop running your mouth

[@sachikantamohanty463]

Interaction with humility 🙏

[@janiskhan1822]

Why does Pervez Hoodbhoy Look like Shami Kapoor?... You are all of Indian origin!!! lol

[@yoyo1khan]

He's Gujarati

[@janiskhan1822]

@@yoyo1khan Thats the Point Bro We are the same!!! Ask an Englishman?...

[@nomadicmritunjaya774]

@@janiskhan1822 yeah but still muslims of the subcontinent hate hindus , our ancestors were same , still people refuse to accept this truth.

[@altamashazeemabadi4089]

Shami kapoor family from PESHWAR Pakistan...

[@tay974]

I too look like Bobby Deol and I'm a Punjabi Jutt too.

[@mahmoodnazeer1]

Hoodbhay! Great programm great research❤

[@maliali2075]

Sir with due respect this discussion is useless now, Pakistan is a reality now, lets look forward for a better tomorrow

[@vikashrai672]

History kvi useless nhi hoti h

[@gouthamsudheer5544]

@@vikashrai672 What he said is Right. History is History. We can't change it. Now we have to move Forward.

[@gouthamsudheer5544]

@Warriors Learning History is Good. But Cursing Ourselves just because our History was Bad is not a Good thing.

[@ayubsiraj7440]

Jinnah want to make Muslim seperate homeland

[@nawazishmemon3061]

He want just a cake in shape of pakistan

[@Saqib_AliRana]

It's appalling that an academic like Dr Hoodbhoy did not bother looking for references in Ayesha Jalal's book and accepted it on face value. This happens when you view history with pre-conceived notions

[@anooppandey5301]

Do you think this is 6?? Just rotate ur phone its 9.. History that u been thought may be wrong u must explore the things. By the way exactly this history which they are discussing we in india study in our study books.

[@rajneeshchatta1657]

@Saqib, Dr. ishtiyaq has referenced Dr. Ayesha Jalal’s book; and I am sure Dr. saheb has read that too. pls ref from 4:00

[@Abcd2500-b6i]

Of course they are Pseudo intellectuals as rightly pointed out by quaid e Azam 80 years ago "Corruption is a curse in India and amongst Muslims, especially the so-called educated and intelligentsia. Unfortunately, it is this class that it selfish and morally and intellectually corrupt. No doubt this disease is common, but amongst this particular class of Muslims it is rampant." M.A. Jinnah to Ispahani, 6 May 1945

[@huma3968]

My due respects to both of these great learned men. I think it has been more than enough on Media & every where else to talk about the division of India. I hope this topic never comes up again. Now, as Professor Hoodbhoy rightly said - what is the way forward. And Dr. Ishtiaq responded that it was given in his book. If I have a chance, I will read that book. Especially I want to see that part in the book where Dr. Ishtiaq has quoted Mr. Jinnah saying that would rather sacrifice 2 crore Muslims in a part of India to Save 7 crores - absolutely does not make sense. Even a person with bare common sense would not have said that. Jinnah was an extremely smart and highly educated person. How could he have said that. Especially the parts that were going to be Pakistan were heavily Muslim populated and they were under no threat of being rescued - boggles my mind.

[@tabrezi9741]

Jinnah, Nehru, Ghandi and Patel were all educated as lawyers. None had administrative or governance experience. They all miserably failed in maintaining peace during partition.

[@guess-the-best8609]

Maintaining peace was the duty of britishers who governed us.

[@shubhammittal9003]

At least congress leaders tried to maintaining peace .not like Jinnah who ordered direct action day..

[@hemant05]

2 Pakistanis I really respect and admire

[@TheBismah]

If Jinnah didn't want Pakistan, it would never have been made. The creation of a country is not simple or easy. As a Pakistani, I am very proud of my country and very thankful for it. Can't believe people question the sincerity of our greatest leader, makes me think of people who question the existence of Pakistan and are angry that it exists. Not expected from fellow Pakistanis.

[@arhamimam8547]

You literally said it simply. This guy is a living example of educated illetrate

[@rohitk9859]

Jhalle ho kya

[@jibranbaloch7650]

U r dalkor pnjbi

[@SHIVAMYadav-pw5uz]

1971

[@AmjadKhan-py6bo]

A response to Peevez Houdbhoy for his Anti -Quranic and Anti True Islamic way of thinking and we present in defiance with challenging data from The Quran,so everybody is invited to listen the whole lecture with care.. Thanks kzbin.info/www/bejne/faCThnape5yWlbc

[@ArshadAli-lk9pu]

Informative Debate .someone tell me the Full name of this Book.

[@kurdbaloch]

The professors never talked about BJP leader Jaswant Singh's book "Jinnah: India, Partition, Independence" where he entirely rejected this theory; these guys trying to become "SHAH SE ZIAADAH SHAH K WAFAADAAR", or more chirstians than BJP leaders. The problem with extreme side of left or right leanings is that you cherry pick your ideas and draw your own conclusions based on your ideology. Social sciences are not like natural sciences that one can test the ideas in lab and draw the conclusions based on the experiments. Social sciences do not work like it,; first you need to be bit unbiased in your approach and ideas. If you cherry pick your statements from 10 years of statements of Quaied-e-Azam then you can satisfy your egos and your already converted audience but can not make justice to truth.

[@rubyjackass]

Jaswant Singh's book suffers from the same defects as Jalal's book does. There is almost zero basis for believing that Jinnah did not want Pakistan at all or even that he wanted a secular(in the modern sense of the word) Pakistan. The quoted words of Jinnah to support such a thesis are all circumstantial and on occasions that are supposed to be about statesmanship(like the 11 Aug speech).

[@kurdbaloch]

@Sandeep k This is perfect example of how to reply when you start loosing your arguments :) I won't go to your level of reminding you guys about toilets

[@kurdbaloch]

@@rubyjackass Quaied's whole life is proof how he lived and what he thought about life, Muslims, India and Pakistan. His only wish was to get a respectable position for position for Muslims and Nehru-Patel nexus was all about reviving imaginary glory of Hindus. There is no plausible argument for his life style that he needed to do the things due to circumstantial and occasional requirements. What can be greater proof than one's life style and thinking that is evident from his daily actions. Please compare Quaied and Gandhi's life styles and behavioural patterns and you ll know weakness of your argument.

[@Hamza-fr1gj]

@@rubyjackass Yeah biased historians are more believable for indians

[@Hamza-fr1gj]

@Sandeep k lolx 955 toilets for 1.2 billion indians ? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@user-xd9ze5gu8t]

According to jinnah hindu muslim can't live together. But his own home in bombay still remains reserved in his name !!!

[@Layla-Kay57.]

Thank you for your insights Drs. This is a great gift of knowledge on Jinnah's birthday.

[@hardayaldawra1458]

I am one thousand percent in agreement with Dr Ishraq Ahmed.

[@sumansharma4663]

Namaste good sb love your effort to re educate Pakistanis with a pragmatic approach

[@indious360]

@@theobserver7639 please add "wrong" in between 'the' and 'observer' ,the name of your youtube channel

[@R.kandaswamy]

@@theobserver7639 Yes Ayaz Sadiq also confirmed that Pakistanis speak truth. " Gen. Bajwa ke Mathe pe pasina tha, Tange kaamp rahi thi." Yes Sadiq Ayaz also spoke the absolute truth. Gen. Bajwa was sweating, his legs were shaking with fear of India. Our yeh Chini TV per hai. Dekho our sharm Karo. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fX7cnaJrodGdotE kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2fHoYCOgtNji8k

[@R.kandaswamy]

@@theobserver7639 Ayaz Sadiq spoke truth kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2fHoYCOgtNji8k kzbin.info/www/bejne/fX7cnaJrodGdotE , kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6Gnp4KKmr-sZpo

[@R.kandaswamy]

@@theobserver7639 Kyon apne aap ko jalil kar leto ho? Apne jahil honeka saboot social media pe deke?

[@Hamza-fr1gj]

You mean propaganda?

[@izharmehmoodb4u]

Thank you for both Respected personalities.

[@vasukinagabhushan]

Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed is honest about history.

[@tofiqkashif441]

Es book ka name kia ha

[@sonachenab]

Very informative... Totally agree..

[@Sir-AZHAR]

Sir Ishtiaq ur argument is valid and strong against maam Ayesha Jalal. After the election of 1937, no Muslim leader could not go against the demand for a separate homeland.

[@mohammedabdulsaleem3302]

Asslamualikum., Great personalities, great talks,great truths.....

[@kasingh5633]

Dr. Pravez saab contrary to popular view of Pakistanis that Pak got independence on Aug 14 is Incorrect. According to " Indian independence Act 1947" winch got royal accent in April 1947, British transferd power to India at midnight 12.00 am Aug 15. Mr Jinnah was appointed Governor General of Pakistan on Aug 14 to take effect on Aug 15. Lord Mountbatten was the Governor General of " United India" on Aug 14 until 11.59.59 midnight. You can read the Act online

[@dipakbose2677]

Ayesha Jalal got her PhD in Cambridge university for a false thesis that Jinnah was a secular. It showed the low standard of that university.