Did NeedGod.Net REFUTE Me?!

[@CatholicTruthOfficial]

We are having a formal debate with him with next month.

[@opierrecristino]

That's wonderful to head from you guys, I think it would be also very profiting to debate that Cliffe Knechtle, he preaches a lot but from what I know, he is non-denominational. Also, mind I asking, what will be the theme of the debate with NeedGod?

[@Petersrock7]

Crush it!

[@ICXCIsLord]

You guys got this. Viva Cristo Rey ✝️🇻🇦☝🏾

[@smart_joey_4179]

Great! Are you hosting the debate or are you the one debating him?

[@thomasthellamas9886]

I hope you never answer any of these questions 👍🏻

[@JoshFisher-w1x]

The thing that baffled me the most was that he started quote mining the Church Fathers. Chooses a passage of Irenaeus of Lyons that suits his beliefs but ignores all his other writings on the papacy, apostolic succession etc.

[@vastalapasta9739]

I know right! He won’t be able to do that in a debate though

[@one.hyperion]

I knew I wasn't the only one who noticed that! Whenever he brought up a Father to back up his view, several other quotes from those same Fathers came to mind that would refute him.

[@soteriology400]

“Church fathers” are not reliable sources anyway.

[@killianmiller6107]

He had brought up some quote by St Augustine in favor of Sola Scriptura I think and I commented that the same Augustine said “I would not believe the gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so” Maybe Alex brought this up, haven’t gotten that far in the vid yet

[@Sonithefirst]

Only shows the contradictions they have. Like any other human being.

[@fredbeck4738]

Love my Protestant brothers and sisters as I was in that world until this year when I was received into the Church that Christ founded. That being said, VOR took this man’s arguments apart. I am strengthened in my faith with each video. So glad I am finally home after all these years.

[@SergioSalazar-r4e]

The Protestants don’t like to hear the truth.They only likes to hear the pastors dreams.

[@menta617]

Oftentimes I get people who get into these short form videos that take advantage of people not looking to the original video. Thank you for your lengthy and thorough response Voice of Reason!

[@danielroth6393]

I was raised Baptist. (Alabama, so mostly Protestant) I had a friend that was Catholic, and my parents wouldn't let me stay at their house because they were Catholic. WILD... I was taught that Catholics are heretics and worship Mary and Pray to the dead, amongst other things. Never really looked too much into it. I'm now 30 and still close to my Catholic friend, and I recently asked him about it. Just out of the blue. Learned so much and have been watching and learning so much about Catholicism. I'll be attending Mass for the first time this coming Sunday. Please pray for my discernment moving forward. Also, I'm looking at the Ascension Great Adventure bible, any thoughts or suggestions?

[@Champronsi82827]

Wow man thats great i will pray for you🙏

[@miguelpereira274]

Il pray for you brother!!!!!!!! Welcome !!!!!!!!

[@nitrianskehosamospravnehok4397]

The thing is none of the people know what they’re talking about when they use the word “Heresy” without fully understanding its historical and theological context. The word 'heresy' originates from the Greek word 'hairesis,' which means 'choice' or 'sect.' Historically, it referred to beliefs that were deemed contrary to the established doctrines of the early Church. However, in modern usage, it is often applied too broadly and without proper consideration of the specific doctrinal issues at hand. When we discuss theological differences, we have to understand that there are things we need to be precise about the morphological context and informational terminological context to avoid misunderstandings and promote meaningful dialogue.

[@SaulHenry21]

Ill pray for you and that Holy Spirit moves you on Sunday.

[@secessionblog3189]

Praying for you. I am a recent convert, family and community are very Protestant. Keep praying for wisdom and discernment. In the end, we are called to sacrifice everything to follow Him who is Truth. Christ be with you brother.

[@ministeriosemmanuel638]

This back and forth response is unsatisfying, both of you should do an online debate about this.

[@vastalapasta9739]

As a catholic I agree, these videos are nice to watch, but I hope it doesn’t turn into a never ending chain of responses, they need to have a public discussion.

[@eddardgreybeard]

Dude's an Australian, he's on the opposite side of the time zone.

[@LuxuryGlobe]

@@eddardgreybeardvoice of reason will stay up at 3:30am for this he’s about that life

[@nightpixma]

@@eddardgreybeard fairly certain he’s a New Zealander.

[@sharkietheone]

It would be ideal but then again, how often to people take up public debates instead of internet pissing matches. Trent Horn has the same policy where he will not do a rebuttal to a rebuttal, and there aren’t many who take him up on that offer. Unfortunately that’s just how these things turn out

[@JPositiveTM]

On different views, intellectual honesty is a must. I understand the disappointment.

[@sdfjhdfgadfjasdrhasfhzc34]

same. graven images are a big nono. So is prideful arrogance and boasting your good works. Shame on this channel and the subscribers.

[@MeanBeanComedy]

​@@sdfjhdfgadfjasdrhasfhzc34What are you talking about? No one on either side of this discussion is doing either of those. Are you sure you have the right comment?

[@sdfjhdfgadfjasdrhasfhzc34]

@@MeanBeanComedy "No one on either side of this discussion is doing either of those". Lie ^ plus I mentioned 3 things so the word "either" doesn't fit. Just read the smug condescending comments of your peers. Arrogance at its worst.

[@SharingTheBreadofLife]

I feel a bit sad watching this video because of the arrogance and deception of this VoR guy. This might be your livelihood but brother, you're leading many people astray. The Lord Jesus said if anyone causes the little ones, those who believe in Him, to go astray, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hang on their necks and be thrown to the sea. Do not be deceived and do not deceive others.

[@alphaque]

prots commenting quotes from saints is peak comedy

[@niccolopaganini1782]

Why's that?

[@Patel-Chirag-Gupta]

​@@niccolopaganini1782 becausw they cant come to terms with stuff like this The Gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII says this: To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical (emphasis added) In 1302 Pope Boniface said this in a letter to the Catholic Church Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontif Pope Pius V said this The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.

[@shibaos]

​@@niccolopaganini1782 1:07:51

[@Loc1453]

@@niccolopaganini1782 because they don't believe in saints or Church Father

[@niccolopaganini1782]

@@Patel-Chirag-Gupta as they shouldn't! I don't know about the credibility of this information but on face value, this seems crazy.

[@DonJuanplagueisZero]

Thanks! Just so everyone knows: Many top protestant scholars converted to Catholicism in the 500 anniversary of Luther’s thesis. Thank you, Voice Of Reason. God Bless.

[@stormbrooks1703]

Source ?

[@DonJuanplagueisZero]

@@stormbrooks1703 Sure, look up all the videos from the St. Augustin. Especially the one that goes. What Luther got about friendship with God. You’re welcome. Also, for more look up Most Holy Family Monastery take on protestants. Those videos are amazing.

[@ROBINSON-rb2lp]

@@stormbrooks1703 Here some of my favarious the top of protestant scholars who converted to catholic church founded by Lord Jesus Christ. Scott Hahn, Trent Horn, Keith Nester, Jimmy Akin, Ronald Knox, Peter Kreeft, Kenneth Hensley, John Henry Newman, G. K. Chesterton, Thomas Howard, Richard John Neuhaus, Francis J. Beckwith. For the details, do your research..

[@TubbyTobey.]

While we disagree with him on some things you gotta admit his Perry the platypus is awesome

[@IHateSand0]

Indeed he is

[@vanessawebber6538]

⁠@@SamuelSerrano13Alex didn’t state any of that in the video… you’re projecting lies. Cutting Ryan off? This is a response video. You clearly haven’t watched the whole video. Prideful? Was not the Apostle Paul prideful in a way?

[@SamuelSerrano13]

@@vanessawebber6538 it's just ironic that the "voice of reason" doesn't even rely on the word of GOD but instead rely's on a man made institution. Did Jesus or the apostles ever call themselves Catholic or say anything about praying to Mary. Jesus himself says there is none perfect but GOD and Catholics think otherwise because they don't trust the bible, they trust some church more

[@paydaypayday440]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@SamuelSerrano13honest question? Do you lack comprehension or do you just conveniently reject ideas because they don’t fit into the specific theology of Protestantism, which is following a religious man made doctrine which is ironic when you guys claim to not follow religion. And it’s ironic that you follow a set of scriptures that had its books compiled and canonized as the inspired word of God from a certain church. Wanna guess which one that is?

[@smeggytesters8585]

@@SamuelSerrano13did you even watch the video? He appeals to scripture more in the first 30 minutes of the video than he does to ecclesial tradition throughout the entire video.

[@naerin_009]

One is arrogant, one is responding with courtesy. One needs discussion, one wants debate. Titus 3:2 "...to speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people."

[@chippyplaysmc9566]

both you and Orthodox Kyle put out over an hour long videos debunking him. He picked on the wrong people!

[@thomasthellamas9886]

Kyle is such a twerp tho lol. It’s nearly impossible for me to take him seriously

[@okj9060]

Kyle debated him on livestream but I don’t think it went well

[@domanicvaldez]

@@okj9060it didn't go well. But, not because Kyle is wrong on apostolicity and returning to tradition but because it was a constant unwillingness to listen to Kyle's points with an open mind.

[@JiiV3e]

@@domanicvaldez Neither really did well on that discussion, Kyle is not really as knowledgeable in theology as he presents himself. He falls in many factual errors. He used to be very good in philosophy and philosophy of religion, it is a shame he does not do content that includes it.

[@domanicvaldez]

@@JiiV3e Fair. His theology isn't great but it's better than NGN. He should've pointed out the epistemological differences of the traditional faiths to the modern Protestant camps. This alone would have brought to light poor Protestant theology, ecclesiology, etc...

[@NeoMo24]

Honestly, NeedGodNet's video inspired me to start planning educational content because I was so disappointed... but now I'm elated because the fact viewers of NGN will probably see this video and see the inconsistencies about the protestant gospel and common points they use to misrepresent lots of doctrine. Now all that's left is to teach them how absurd the protestant canon is (and church history in general)... I can see lots of converts coming thanks to this dialogue. They're already real Christians, just glad they'll come to appreciate the fullness of the faith (and not continue to misrepresent parts of Christianity unknowingly.) I'll just rant about the protestant cannon rq. Jerome is often sited as attesting to the Protestant canon, but what people forget to mention is he stresses that the church has the authority to include what it wants, and then proceeds to include the Deuterocanon in his Latin Vulgate. This shows how despite his thoughts, he puts church authority above his - so Jerome is tough to use as an attestation to the protestant cannon. (Also, NGN misrepresents Irenaeus by saying he doesn't hold Apostolic tradition to be authoritative but Against Heresies Book 3 Ch 2-4 says otherwise) Funnily enough, just this morning I watched Gary Michuta's arguments how the protestant Canon are NOT attested by the typical argumentation, might be a good follow up. "Gary Michuta on the Canon of the Hebrew Bible"

[@danielcrouse6515]

I completely agree, I was shocked everyone thought his arguments were so good. His arguments are easily refuted.

[@Moe-bb3bm]

READ THE VERSE IN CONTEXT SLOWLY MY DECIEVED CATHOLIC BUDDY. VERSE 13 FOR IT IS GOD WHO WORKS IN YOU THAT ACOMPLISHES YOUR SALVATION SHERLOCK. ITS GOD WHO DOES THE WORK IN YOU NOT YOURSELF. YOU CANT EARN GIFTS OR MERIT A GIFT, COMMON SENSE. ‭Philippians 2:12-13 NKJV‬ [12] Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; [13] for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.

[@mcchubbz2975]

@@Moe-bb3bmI think it’s funny that Prots always proclaim this as if it’s some kind of “gotcha”. It’s parallel to atheists saying “sky daddy”. What’s similar about these statements is nobody is saying we save ourselves. Literally nobody. In the same way we don’t believe in a “sky daddy”. You’re swinging at the air, my friend.

[@timothy209]

@@mcchubbz2975 The protestant concern is that Catholics place middlemen between us and God when really the only way to get to the Father is through Jesus. Not anyone else.

[@mcchubbz2975]

@@timothy209 I’m not sure what you’re referring to. Are you talking about confession?

[@SecondBestMom]

​@timothy209 you've got it wrong. We don't put middlemen between us and GOD, we put intercessors between us and JESUS, who is the only bridge between man and God. The intercessors we use go to Jesus on our behalf, just as someone here on earth praying for you would. We also go directly to Jesus. We just have more people addressing Jesus on our behalf when we involve the Saints. More prayers for us!

[@deezn2856]

BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR A MINUTE!!!!

[@John_Six]

Protestants quoting the fathers like they quote the bible. Out of context.

[@axxel9626]

Sure, like 60+ verses confirming faith alone ain't enough ye?

[@mcchubbz2975]

@@axxel9626”Faith without works is dead”. Nice try though.

[@axxel9626]

@@mcchubbz2975 ik. You know what that is dead? Useless to others. Read the whole chapter

[@eddardgreybeard]

​@@axxel9626 They do not confirm faith alone at all, especially when Christ told parable after parable after parable about people being judged according to their deeds.

[@mcchubbz2975]

@@axxel9626 James says “Can your faith save you?” then proceeds to talk about doing works. He’s not talking about being saved by men because that isn’t possible.

[@D4NO87]

I watched your video and then his response, and honestly, not only did he cut out a lot of your responses, but he completely threw James 2 under the bus multiple times, I watched his video and had to pause like every 2 minutes to go and re-read the verse in its context to make sure I wasn’t trippin or something because his responses were just atrocious, just an example is when he says that Abraham was justified just by his faith by quoting James 2:23 when the THREE verses prior, so 20-22, and literally the next verse state state the COMPLETE OPPOSITE, I felt like I was going insane

[@AveAveAve123]

I did the exact same thing. It blew my mind that he actively did that and was okay with deceiving people

[@gamingterrain3703]

YO SAME! I saw him single out james 2:23 about how Abraham was justified by his belief using that to justify his faith alone doctrine and immediately i was like "wait a minute hold up," and then looked at james 2:21 which literally says that Abram was justified by what he DID as well. Which is the entire point of james 2. Faith and works working together. At that point i just knew this guy was being completely disingenuous 🤦🏽‍♂️ James 2 is a killshot for the faith alone doctrine so of course he would need to single out one single verse while ignoring all the rest

[@axxel9626]

ABRAHAM WAS JUSTIFIED BEFORE GOD BY FAITH. INSTEAD BEFORE MEN HE WAS JUSTIFIED BY WORKS TOO. IT'S THIS SIMPLE.

[@gamingterrain3703]

@@axxel9626 nearly sacrificing his son justified him before man?

[@eddardgreybeard]

​@@axxel9626 The same God that summarily immolated a priest for offering strange fire was actually just looking at the faith rather than the works.

[@VivatChristusRex99]

I love this video. While some think you’re being prideful or abrasive in your response, this video just shows how passionate you are about the teachings of Jesus Christ and traditions. Understanding scripture on a deeper level and adhering to the church’s teachings. Protestants call Catholics names (but not the orthodox at least where I am from which is weird), slander my faith and call me a heretic, Mary worshipper and a child of the devil’s church and no one bats an eye but once the church and practicing members (not Catholics by name only) start refuting heresy, they want to villainize us.

[@michaelgeorgio7780]

This is brilliant- a third example I’ve used when challenging Protestants on “selective” Scriptura is when the Sadducees posed the question to Jesus of the woman with 7 husbands - their question is clearly drawn from the Book of Tobit.

[@ElGuapoMofonger]

You have very thorough explanations throughout all points he provided, you really know how to make a counter argument that’s for sure. 41:07 (In case it’s important, you didn’t post the link to the response you gave regarding the 7 sacraments) Bendiciones, Alex, you helped convince me to choose the Catholic Church 🙏🏽☦️

[@dannywatkins5688]

I've been waiting for this one!!!! 😊🙏

[@hectorcervantes3688]

Same 😂

[@DoubleOhSilver]

Do they really think faith only means belief (as in acceptance)? Like, if you only think Jesus existed (pretty much irrefutable), you're good to go? You have to ignore the rest of the Bible at that point. If you believe what Jesus says, then it would make no sense to not be obedient. Smh.

[@AppalachianLumberjack]

No your strawmanning, they clearly believe that you have too believe jesus is God and the resurrection is real their main issue is iconography and thinking pictures are automatically idols

[@imbecilicGenius-hn3jo]

Faith that leadeth to salvation in a protestant mind - believing Jesus was born of a virgin, lived sinless, died according to the plan and prophecy, rose again the 3rd day, witnessed to His disciples, ascended inyo Heaven giving the great commision. You must also understand that it was in His death that you are forgiven and without it you are completely worthy of hell and only through His grace did He offer salvation.

[@glory2Him]

@@AppalachianLumberjack the main issue is that people are counting on their works (keeping the law, baptism, good works, etc) to get to heaven instead of trusting fully in Jesus’s work on the cross. Matthew 7:22-23 - On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ Notice that it will be many “believers” and they are counting on their works. The only way into heaven is fully trusting in Jesus dying for our sins. No man can boast before God.

[@brandonsmith2172]

@@glory2HimThat passage is talking about Christians who are far from God in heart but claim to be followers. Not about Catholics and not about how we do need works in our faith. Otherwise if you just have faith you could just sin and do whatever you want. Why is the need of repentance needed in Protestantism if all you need is faith?

[@AppalachianLumberjack]

@glory2Him yessir I think we are on the same side of things I was just answering this person's question and letting them know they misrepresented protestant doctrine

[@Phoenix-zf1mu]

I am literally not listening to Protestant preachers anymore, I feel like I’ve been deceived, but why is there so many miracles, casting out demons, sick getting healed, prophecy, speaking in tongues and radical personality changes in the Protestant community? Catholic brother, can anyone explain me?

[@TheNeonCrusader]

A lot of it can be for show. Specially the people immediately getting deliverance. Catholic priests don’t record exorcisms out of respect for the person affected. I’ve heard from many Catholic exorcists that it currently takes a lot of sessions and different days just to deliver a person, it doesn’t happen immediately.

[@Sonithefirst]

Please have a chat with him. He said that he reached out to you and you didn't respond?

[@eddardgreybeard]

He says that frequently, but the truth is he likely received a reply but didn't acknowledge it.

[@editor7354]

They’re having a debate next month

[@miguelmondy]

Voice of Reason will surely dumped so never mind

[@jordanorso8743]

@@eddardgreybeardbut he livestreams everyday and does viewer chats almost every day. He could join anytime

[@AbrahamRodriguez-gi1wk]

If y’all keep going back and forth set up a debate! I would love to see him formally being proved wrong for everyone to see! I’m not even 100% sure who is right I’d love a formal debate to understand both sides better.

[@calebhooper4266]

I’m glad to see more people call out this guy. Love from Orthodoxy!

[@input-latency2684]

hey alex. you’re pretty cool. thanks for doing what ya do. God bless ya, dude.

[@TheDisciple21]

I don’t understand how anyone can thoroughly read the Church Fathers and still be Protestant, and not Catholic or Orthodox.

[@thomasthellamas9886]

Maybe you should ask some of us lol

[@secessionblog3189]

Merely reading the Fathers won't change one's ecclesial paradigm. See James White. But if one is open and honest enough to admit that the entire Protestant paradigm of denominationalism and "the real church is the invisible church" never existed for the first 1500 years, then it's game over.

[@davidww5792]

Because I don’t see the Church Fathers praying to Mary and the saints, for example.

[@TheDisciple21]

@@secessionblog3189 I think James White is holding onto the pride of his. He made his own foundation and ministry through Protestantism, if he comes to the Church then he leaves all of it.

[@TheDisciple21]

@@davidww5792 read the sub tuum praesidium. It was prayer made at about 150 ad.

[@YaksoHD]

NeedGod has always been like this. He is unwilling to have knowledgeable Catholics debate him because he knows they would expose his false teachings. God bless you, keep up the great work brother!

[@zackmunday8643]

Needgod has asked for a discussion multiple times

[@eddardgreybeard]

​@@zackmunday8643 And he disregarded agreements multiple times. He did the same thing to Kyle

[@anonjohn7571]

​@@zackmunday8643He's also refused to go forward after catholics agreed. He's known for being a dodgy liar.

[@YaksoHD]

@@zackmunday8643 I offered NeedGod to an open debate on his time around 3-4 months ago. He never responded. He’s willing to engage uneducated people about their faith but, he is not willing to engage with actual knowledge Christians who disagree with him. I’ve never even seen him debate a well known Catholic or EO even though he’s been offered to debate many times. NeedGod is just like living waters with Ray Comfort. They’ve been offered to actually address their points with real learned Catholics and instead they just ignore them or take the apologist out of context like how NeedGod did with Alex and how Ray Comfort did with Catholic Truth. Stop following people who are unwilling to engage in intellectual conversation and actually have their beliefs challenged. Don’t follow people who continually avoid the truth and lie about people and history. Stop following men and follow Christ and His Church as it tells us to do in the Bible.

[@konradpoznanski1105]

Yeah keep praying to Mary for me that's funny 😂

[@Viiola24]

I’m almost done. This is actually embarrassing for this guy. Thanks Voice! Learned a lot!

[@xout2314]

Go read those chapters he quoted for yourself. Voice definitely cherry picked verses, and missed key ones.

[@Viiola24]

@@xout2314 sure he did 😅

[@BensWorkshop]

@@xout2314 Which ones did he miss and why are they key?

[@CatholicEnthusiast265]

​@@xout2314 Do you have proof of him cherry picking verses? Do you have proof of him missing key verses? I am not saying you are wrong, but would like to see proof of your claim. 😃

[@sjhowerton88]

​@@xout2314Ryan was selective in his verse selection to back up his claims. He also quote mined Augustine and Irenaeus to back up Sola Scriptura. I do appreciate Ryan's demeanor for dialogue, but it was not a comprehensive rebuttal, unfortunately.

[@GamingxKnight]

I paused this video immediately. I'm going to watch it, but I just have to say that I saw NeedGod.Net's response video and it was horribly done. It was completely edited, he cut out large portions of your response video he was responding to, didn't let your clips run in it's full context, and preached his heretical Protestant views more than actually respond to your points. It was incredibly dishonest and I truly hope that the two of you have a dialogue soon.

[@thebenzaga]

I noticed that too and commented on his video saying as much but got no response

[@GamingxKnight]

@@thebenzaga He only seemed to interact with those who agreed with him or attacked Voice of Reason. He's most likely someone who can't handle an actual debate and being pushed on topics more than those he runs into on that live chat program he encounters. He's most likely mainly use to dealing with people who know nothing or little about Christianity.

[@thebenzaga]

@@GamingxKnight i hope that isnt the case cuz I was as meticulous as I could be when responding to him

[@GamingxKnight]

@@thebenzaga Unless you get onto one of those video chats with him, I doubt you'll ever get a response.

[@thebenzaga]

@@GamingxKnight i live in canada lol the and work nights so the time difference is abysmal

[@Jerome616]

Man, I was waiting for this.

[@Mateusofchrist]

Just watching this one video, it's so evident and well illustrated by you and defending your arguments and with the BIBLE. You should have more followers than this guy because you truly spread the truth that's in the whole Bible and the Catholic faith. Keep up the good work Alex I love you brother✝️❤️

[@EliasRendonJr]

Needed this!💪🏽

[@MichaelSims-rn6vu]

Nice. Voice of reason is brutal with the truth. Nothing but respect. You have to respect the Catholic soldiers of Christ. Peace be with you, May The Lord God of Jacob continue to bless your offspring endlessly.

[@PolishBlaise]

And that's how the saga begins

[@editor7354]

Facts Omds 😂

[@monet7089]

At this point, a dialogue or a debate is much more needed.

[@williammcenaney1331]

Ryan commits the division fallacy when he thinks everyone is eternally secure because St. Paul writes that no one can separate us from God's love. God can still love a group, even if some members leave it. When St. Paul teaches that no one can separate the group from God's love, some members may still reject Christ and leave the group.. Alex talks to his audience. But he doesn't speak separately to every member of it.

[@paulfry5734]

Fri 22:44 Ryan wrote: Thanks for the reply. No need to fly anywhere. We can simply do this online. Time difference shouldn't be an issue when the time we stream usually starts at 7pm EST (USA). We can have a respectful and friendly discussion between the two of us. We can discuss our similarities and our differences, starting off with the topic of salvation. Since it's not a formal debate, there won't be any need to prepare a talk, so we can even do this any day Sunday to Thursday this coming week. Let's get this done, it's been too long in the making. Do any of those days this coming week suit you? Sun 23:44 Ryan wrote: Are you ready to get this conversation done? Which day suits you this week?

[@iblameabel]

Voice of Reason STAYS DUCKING

[@daltonreeves2395]

@@iblameabelhe debated James White who is arguably one of the most formidable Protestant debaters and came out on top. I seriously doubt he’s scared debate this guy.

[@henryconner780]

He comes off as prideful and dishonest, took me only 2 of his videos to gather that info. He is looking to win an argument, not try to gain understanding or understand his perspective, or genuinely hear people out. His thoughts are set in stone.... As an Orthodox, I find some of his teachings quite dangerous! Wish him the best, I hope its in good Faith, but it isn't I am afraid.

[@almazapien6535]

Thank you for doing this Much Needed Response 🙏🏻 NeedGod speaks as if his words are infallible themselves 😅😅

[@Mrguy-ds9lr]

And this guy doesn't?😅😅

[@pchuck1439]

I said it on his channel & I'll say on this one. Ya'll just need to have a public discussion. This back and forth doesn't accomplish anything. His fans are gonna side with him and Catholics will side with you. I do appreciate you exposing him. His fans are very cult-like and don't read scripture and follow everything he says.

[@Tstep45_qr]

They should have a writing debate to prevent any gaslighting🙏🙏

[@Grizzly_Bear2018]

NeedGod has a ton of out of context videos and is leading people astray, glad to see you demolishing this wolf in sheep’s clothing. Praise be Jesus Christ!

[@Tp-ik6vc]

I’m so thankful for this video. Needgodnet is a thorn that pops up on my feed all the time. He sais a lot of infuriating stuff. Now if I can have Trent Horn and Sam Shamoun do videos responding to him I’d be happy. Only because he gets a lot of kids on his channel and they need to know this stuff. Or at least understand that needgodnet is not a final authority.

[@nope45599]

Trent or shamoun dont need to be wasting their time on this nees guy

[@reverence.607]

After reading your comment-something clicked in my mind. I think the main reason why the background of needgodnet KZbin channel is a bit teenage/kid like is because of what you mentioned. Hence, targeting kids. That is concerning.

[@Tp-ik6vc]

@@reverence.607 kzbin.infoa6ak66PJQOU?si=EnCD1tZyGxzh-o9w

[@thomasthellamas9886]

@@reverence.607targeting kids to tell them the gospel is concerning?

[@reverence.607]

​@@thomasthellamas9886 do you think the gospel being told by needgodnet is a genuine gospel? Not everything that is promoted in this world is a good thing. Make sure to-please watch this full video before responding to this comment

[@mig6728]

Philippians 2:12 ...continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.. Protestant "Christians" (specifically Americans) continue to work out salvation with arrogance, stubbornness, self confidence while judging and laughing that American protestants will go to heaven and everyone else doesn't. Unbelievable people.

[@NT-sz1xq]

Annnnnd here... we... go!!!

[@user-lj3ku5yd1h]

I’m sick of seeing this God net guy like for real I hate to say it but he is a hack at what he does. He just wants to destroy a strawman of the Catholic position and he doesn’t even bother trying to actually learn about Catholicism. It’s crazy like he just doesn’t want to contend with the actual good arguments for Catholicism. He just wants to write it off like it’s nothing but in reality he just has very little knowledge and he just repeats what some other Protestant told him. It’s honestly impossible to debate some Protestants, they tend to argue in a very similar way to how atheist argue..

[@user-bx4ti6ig3i]

The Catholic Church puts out a lot of their sources out there that they contradict themselves and the Bible. Like who tf is Guadalupe? Where is she in the Bible or related to anyone in the Bible!

[@jm8196]

Where in the Bible does it say "Bible alone? It doesn't. Faith alone and Bible alone are false doctrines created by Martin Luther, who often had conversations with Satan on the toilet and called the pope the antichrist. Luther was a confused man that was deceived by Satan

[@user-lj3ku5yd1h]

@@user-bx4ti6ig3i nope they don’t. And it’s called tradition. Paul talks about it also maybe you should look into her instead of just get mad. Also where in the Bible does it say that everything you have to believe has to be found in the Bible? I’m guessing you were born into Protestantism and you think that Catholics and orthodox are wrong? So the first Christians were wrong ? Oh but you know better right ? I should listen to you but I shouldn’t listen to people that knew the apostles.. yeah ok bud nice try tho

[@VivatChristusRex99]

@@user-bx4ti6ig3ithere have been apparitions of Mary. 1917 in Fatima Portugal is the most famous example. Where Mary appears, she is given a different name. “Lady of Lourdes, Lady of Fatima” etc..

[@alisterrebelo9013]

​@@user-bx4ti6ig3iI'll donate $50 to a charity of your choice if you show me 1 single person in the Bible who you consider a saved Christian who had the complete Bible in their hands. So much for Falsa Doctrina de Sola Scriptura.

[@Wretchedsinner777]

I can feel your dissapointment thru the phone 😭 ive been waiting for you to respond to this dork since he "responded" back

[@thebikewatcher9819]

No need to call the guy a "dork".

[@Katoliko7]

Dork 😂😂😂

[@Paterquia]

​@@thebikewatcher9819you're right, he's not a dork, he's a lying dork that hates Holy Mother Church.

[@saphire60]

where is the video? tik tok? I cant find it

[@noahbrusseau898]

The demeanor of these two are very different. One is arguing to win a heart, the other to win an argument.

[@Mrguy-ds9lr]

Wich is wich?

[@noahbrusseau898]

@@Mrguy-ds9lr watch both videos separately and you’ll be able to make the call for yourself

[@Mrguy-ds9lr]

@noahbrusseau898 why are we attacking eachother over things that are not that important anti. L9ve God and love your neighbor as yourself, on these two hangs all the law and the prophets. Go, raise your kids, do good in your neighborhood. Forgive be gracefully, be a good example. Aren't these things hard enough? The church or Christian are under attack hardcore, and we have all this infighting about w9rds and meanings. Why do you judge another man's servant? Let God do it. This guy is way puffed up. Regardless if he's right or not. And he is teaching others to do the same. Read the comments. We should not be talking and judging like this.

[@noahbrusseau898]

@@Mrguy-ds9lr it’s ironic you judging me for judging these two. The context of the verse you mention tells us not to judge hypocritically. We must make sure we are not doing the very thing we are pointing out in our neighbor. But God has given us a standard to judge our fellow brother in Christ. But the motive behind that judgment should be pure and out of love for those to steer back into the standard that Jesus set for us.

[@Mrguy-ds9lr]

@noahbrusseau898 it's very telling thar you think that. I wasn't telling you that, I was saying people in general. Should have made that clear. But you didn't really say anything in your first comment, so how could I tell you that. And if you read my comment, I say why are judging eachother, but you weren't, but he is and this other guy, and all them. But you didn't say anything like that. B7t maybe your conscious got to you. I don't know.

[@chrisherrera3042]

Thank you brother in Christ! Thank you for standing up for our church !

[@jessemessy990]

That is why i am not protestant. They lie a lot to make their point against xatholic teachings base on nothing.

[@SancteLaurentiusOraProNobis]

Outstanding! Great work!

[@Landoor]

You did a great job, this video's great. I'm excited if you ever have a live conversation with him.

[@SCPN333]

Wow, if I was Protestant, I'd probably be looking to become Catholic. You did a really good job.

[@Izzy-rh7br]

Abrahams sons are a depictions of what happens when you have faith in God but also your own works, or faith in God alone. Ishmael (Faith + works) Isaac (Faith alone)

[@pipeflush]

How so ? 🤔

[@howtomoderate]

Right or wrong he's invited you on his podcast twice and you have not gone on. He's on every day, you can easily reach out and have a conversation but you won't?

[@sdfjhdfgadfjasdrhasfhzc34]

Ryan also sings bible verses and talks to non-believers with love and patience. What great fruit, who wouldn't wanna follow that example? VOR is full of anger. his actual voice is unnerving and unsettling just relax dude. No joy its sad. He lives to try to make poeple look "dumb" and keeps getting uno reversed.

[@Gio-ce8ob]

This was an epic Bible beat down. Good job Reason! 👍🏻. I always heard Prots say they are more up on their Bible but from experience it’s like they pick & choose sound bites, but don’t read the whole thing. Sad

[@IconoMatt]

I’m EO. I’m trying to grow my channel, and while we disagree I look up to you greatly Alex. I’d love to do a video with you breaking down NeedGod.nets bible butchering in his latest debate with orthodox kyle

[@barryallen5127]

Brother, have a chat with him. Just have a live chat with him. You don't need to create an almost 2-hour responding video for a 25-minute video. It just shows your type of response is not good, not a good strategy. Look at your like count, and views. I don't know if you are just doing this for Patreon money, but just have a live chat with him If you are confident enough.

[@YoThatsFabo]

Romans 8:38 is a verse from the New Testament of the Bible, written by the Apostle Paul. It reads: "For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers," This verse is part of a larger passage where Paul is expressing the assurance that nothing can separate believers from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

[@shogiwar]

"The next day Moses took his seat to serve as judge for the people, and they stood around him from morning till evening." Exodus 18:13

[@traildisc155]

God bless the EASTERN snd ROMAN rite of the Holy universal Church of Christ

[@AndreLeBlonde1]

We figured it out that he resorts to false teaching. And his calm manner of talking keeps ringing these words in my head "wolf in sheepskin" I pray he hears you and repents. He would be a great addition to the Catholic church if he will come to the truth.❤

[@killianmiller6107]

I had a similar thought, for such a gentile voice he has, it lacks a lot of substance.

[@thomasthellamas9886]

Almost like his apologetics are just as bad

[@Trippy_Knight]

It’s the eyes

[@lemuel888]

Bro. I was catholic and we kissed statues so that we will be blessed. We parade statues and fight over the flowers that are on it or we wipe the statue with our handcerchief for we believe it will bring healing. We went to a far place inside a cave because the water taint coz of dropping looks a bit like Mother Mary and we pray there because she will help u wid fertility. Amd a priest has a mass near the cave daily. We even have mother theresas bones brought in our church and we line up for 4 hrs just to touch it for again to receive blessing and healing. I am not saying that the whole RC church is corrupt but in our place it is practiced everywhere. This is outright idolatry and really looking at them like gods. "Please open your eyes". Which u can never do. So ask GOD that He may have mercy and open your eyes. Please ask HIM for truth.

[@thomasthellamas9886]

@@lemuel888 the failure of the magistrates to correct these beliefs and practices isn’t an argument against the authority of said magistrates

[@BigMelo1]

“I calculate you’re not as calculated I can even predict your angles” the videos energy

[@MelchizedekPriestOfSalem]

Thank you, there are few and far between Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants alike. I know it is my own stumbling block that I have a bias as a Protestant but intent, good faith and a passion for the truth. Wherever God leads me I will follow. Less condescension and more compassion goes along way especially with an abundance of wisdom and knowledge that you possess.

[@Chrizk0HD]

Great responses man, these prots are in pure denial and won’t admit their false doctrines.

[@luggzy-e3s]

You guys are the only one who make false doctrines. " Works based savtion" what a joke😂

[@Chrizk0HD]

@@luggzy-e3s Speak proper English then talk kid pathetic comeback bozo

[@Chrizk0HD]

That’s your comeback🥱😂Learn proper English then talk kid 🤡 go back to your taco bell megachurch😂

[@Chrizk0HD]

@@luggzy-e3s That’s your comeback🥱😂Learn proper English then talk kid 🤡 go back to your taco bell megachurch😂

[@Chrizk0HD]

@@luggzy-e3s That’s your comeback🥱😂Learn proper English then talk kid 🤡 go back to your tacobell megachurch😂

[@kingkizza358]

Christ is King 👑

[@Cy-dq8gh]

Catholics. Still undefeated. 👌🙌

[@samuelotache9239]

Catholics have been defeated a long time ago

[@bairfreedom]

Meh.....

[@JasperCasper1996]

Catholics teach false idolatry

[@thehonkingsloth4904]

@@bairfreedomelaborate as why meh

[@rechietuble4160]

In ur dreams

[@nickybats5736]

Need God, Needs God

[@thebenzaga]

We all do, but yes he does

[@cephasmwila7537]

i hope you get 1k likes. you did a great response

[@CyberDavid2413]

we need to see a one on one debate with these two I'll love to see that

[@HenryDurth]

When you read verses you should put them on the screen

[@godisgood1737]

Write them down and make research on your own because he’s not using a computer or buy him one .

[@DPtheChristian]

I actually used to like the points he made and the talks with random strangers on the internet but I could tell from the way he talked and the amount of times he relies on ONE verse to support his point, that he was lying. Thank God

[@zidane0196]

Lying is a bit much. Don't use that Muslim character attack tactic. He believes what he says, meaning its not a lie. A lie requires an element of deciet. You can say what he says is false which is the opposite of true. Cant say he is lying unless you can prove he is consciously trying to decieve.

[@thickimpostor3759]

@@zidane0196I agree with this take. needGodnet's ignorance is keeping him from spreading the truth, but it is not his intention to lie.

[@DPtheChristian]

@@zidane0196 I used lying because he is corrected many times and still doesn't change his views on it. Lying doesn't always mean being deceitful. You can lie without intending to

[@zidane0196]

@DPforChristGod No, you can spread a lie without intending to, but you CAN NOT be a liar if you actually believe what you are saying. That man's beliefs are in line with what most Christians outside of the Catholic Church believes for centuries, so it's understandable he actually believes it. Muslims make the same argument you make. Saying how they correct Christians, including catholics, on their beliefs and call them liars.

[@DPtheChristian]

@@zidane0196 Muslims can make the same claim all they want. They have not proven by exegesis or history that things they believe. Catholics can. You make a distinction how one can spread a lie without intending to vs someone who IS a liar. Let me give you how Merriam Webster defines liar. "a person who tells lies" so it doesn't matter if you truly believe something. Can you prove it even logically? If not, you have just lied and therefore you are a liar

[@JB12JB]

The Bible says in order to be saved we must have faith, repent, be baptized, eat the body and blood of Christ, good works, etc. That other guy ignores all this.

[@Xxmortal9xX]

@@JB12JB Hey man im curious. Would a follower of Christ commit murder?

[@petros-petra]

​@@Xxmortal9xX He could and would lose his salvation unless he repents

[@eddardgreybeard]

​@@Xxmortal9xX A follower of Christ would heed what Christ said in the gospel of Matthew and remember hate itself is as good as murder.

[@Xxmortal9xX]

@@petros-petra A person who follows Christ’s would willingly commit murder? really?

[@petros-petra]

@@Xxmortal9xX Just as a person who follows Christ could willingly break any of the other 10 commandments. If someone hates his brother, he is a murd3rer already in his heart.

[@adamacosta4615]

Thank you brother I’ve been checking everyday for this. You’re also increasing my strength in the church and how I myself can learn to discern the scriptures. Thank you

[@minimexican9]

can you please pop up the verses on screen while you’re reading them to follow along with you easier! GOD BLESS YOU 🙏🏼

[@BrodynCapaldi]

He did in his last video. I believe he didn't this video because of how long this recording was and the fact he wanted to get it out as soon as possible.

[@WestVirginiaWildlife]

I'm Catholic, and I believe that you can know if you are currently in the state of grace otherwise you wouldn't be sure if you are sacrilegiously receiving the Holy Eucharist.

[@the_abandoned_monastery7218]

Exactly, and venial sins do not remove your state of grace, but the reparation for even venial sin is to be paid by the sinner.

[@NeedGodnet]

Voice of Reason you still haven't taken me up on having a live discussion. I reached out to you last week, you've seen my message

[@Katoliko7]

😂😂😂😂 i have a cherry farm. Can you help me pick 'em

[@MerliiinWyllt]

He has no problem debating you bro 😂 you’re the one who didn’t even take his video in full context

[@Landoor]

Looking forward to the conversation. This video made me lose a lot of respect for you though, your original response to what he said is so disingenuous it's crazy.

[@sircogah2929]

Did you even watch the video?

[@danielxsimmons]

You were busy ignoring orthodoxkyle, worry bout getting cooked by him first L heretic

[@stephenler3850]

Great Rebuttal & Response , Brother 👍 With your logical, holistic references to the Bible....in showcasing the Truth , from the False interpretations of these Protestants. I sincerely , Thank the Lord Jesus and His Holy Spirit , for raising people like you Brother , for the defence of Our One , True , Holy Apostolic Catholic Church. May the Lord Bless You Abundantly for your work. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@bishopspitfire4399]

I quoted revelations 20:12 in his KZbin short and he removed the comment. No reason to bother with him anymore. You did great here and proved who he was and I think that is enough. He said in the video that Mary won’t hear our prayers and I wrote that God will read the book in front of everyone during the day of judge, like the verse said and Mary will be there aswell. Btw that verse contradicts Sola Fide aswell and I’ve never seen that verse used anywhere. Have I misunderstood something?

[@Jerome616]

I once left a multiple point comment critiquing a whole video he did (one where he talks a guy out of Catholicism) and he never responded. It just shows a lack interest in anything beyond polemics.

[@Thousttubeth]

The worst part about this response is the lack of charity without giving the skinny white guy any charity. Give him an opportunity to respond. Chat with each other instead of against each other. This response was just basically a response from an Arminian and synergistic perspective. The opposite points can equally be proven by doing exactly what @voiceofreason did here. One specific example was when VOR cited “workout your salvation” as a proof text for salvation being our work. If you read the very next verse it’s clear that it says that God is the one doing the work; “for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.” ‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2‬:‭13‬👈🏼 that cannot be discounted but must be taken into context. Show the love of Christ to those that you are kinda making your enemy, at least from your treatment.

[@God-Will-ing]

15:22 1st point - Absolute Certainty of God’s Promises So the rebuttal is Abraham doubted God, so we can’t be certain God is telling the truth when he makes a promise? This has some questions come to mind. Does God lie? Faith doesn’t give the believer the desire to do works, and repent? The compulsion to do good works, and repent is actual faith instead? Belief and Faith seem to be conflated in the Catholic view described in this video (not attributing this as the actual Catholic view, just this man’s). That being why works is being viewed as necessary actions, because the works are a separate factor for Faith not a result of Faith. The Protestant argues the works are a byproduct or desire of Faith, not a necessary (conscious action/effort) factor in Salvation. If you are doing the good works to prove to God, someone else, or yourself you have real faith, then that is not the Faith the Protestant refers to. Protestants argue our good works (including obedience to God) is a result from our Faith, not an attempt to earn Salvation or prove/validate/maintain one’s faith. So in short Faith to the Protestant produces everything the Catholic referred to in his rebuttal. To continue in sin, or return to sin is to lose Faith to the Protestant. One would need to renew their Faith (repent) in the Protestants view. The Catholics view describes works as a form of obedience in order to maintain their faith, so completely separate from faith. The desire to obey is not mentioned in the Catholic’s view; it is described as compulsion not a desire. Whether or not either of these men’s views are primary examples of either denomination I don’t know, but this is the take away I noticed from this exchange. The disagreement here seems routed in definitions. What faith is seems fundamentally different between both views. Are good works a result of Faith, or necessary in maintaining faith? The agreements here are obvious. Faith in God is required for Salvation. The writings of the Apostles hold authority. Jesus is God made flesh. You must submit to God’s authority to keep the Faith. Remember our brother’s and sister’s in other denominations have things they agree with us on. Do not hold hate towards them. Do not belittle them. Love them and work towards a common understanding of God’s word, and may we all find truth.

[@ednaron1229]

Thank you Alex! You should debate him. Or just have a conversation

[@EuropeanApple755]

Ryan boutta get COOKED

[@ChristIsKingRepentOfYourSins]

Ryan cooked him

[@konradpoznanski1105]

Dismas was the “Good Thief” that was crucified at the right hand side of Jesus. He asked Jesus to remember him, and Jesus told him that he would be in Paradise with him that very day. The repentance of this Good Thief shows us the importance of the necessary steps we must take to arrive at salvation through Christ.

[@CB-ih1vw]

This is correct

[@bluecomb5376]

Thank you for taking the time to address each point. Very helpful

[@RebiwGiant-um8vp]

Man, you made us wait too long. I'm too excited.

[@tarrao-gb4en]

YESSSSS I WAS WAITING THIS VIDEOOOOO

[@CatholicCoop]

Funny how this guy helps explain your argument for me lol. “~Peter calls himself a fellow elder”, me as a new Catholic: oh yeah, he’s a fellow bishop, yet the other scripture has him as a greater, as he is the pope

[@manuelcuenca77]

Alex I love you and your videos, I pray for you brother and for all to be more charitable in our responses

[@MrJimwinder]

Need God is kind and well informed. You should have a discussion. And you should drop the attitude.

[@kimutaijoseph6958]

Learning and thanks for exposing him and give the truth.

[@rdubstrebol]

You trounced him soundly. Please don't bring your phone into church during a Mass.

[@AzrielTheOne]

Wow. We have a church by the same name here in Brooklyn, though we are Latin

[@treycastle9119]

I think the Abraham example can easily be refuted by explaining the difference between us having absolute certainty in God’s promise, and the moral certainty we can have that we as individuals possess the conditions for that promise. I am absolutely certain that if I die in a state of grace I will go to heaven via the promise of God. However, I am not absolutely certain that I will die in a state of grace, or am in a state of grace now, though I am morally certain that I am. This is the distinction he isn’t understanding.

[@zakstr]

I pray that all who watch this and believe that they are saved through Christ alone have an amazing and blessed life. I also pray that all that haven't accepted that gift finds that love and belief. All glory to God amen.

[@JB12JB]

Please put the Bible text and translation version on the screen when you are reading. Makes it easier to follow.

[@glory2Him]

Why don’t you setup a conversation with NeedGod net? He’s meeting with Orthodox Kyle tomorrow on his livestream. Seems like you’re avoiding a live discussion and trying to play up drama.

[@vastalapasta9739]

No, he will talk to him Eventually. I’m happy he’s talking to kyle though

[@titus2213]

he did in the first response ask for exactly what you are talking about

[@eddardgreybeard]

Please, he'll happy finish whatever is left over from Kyle

[@jonathanabreham1960]

He knows he can’t beAt him

[@slightlyup3485]

Just read the bible and apply it. It will lead you in the way of Truth. Quit complicating the issue. Any extra biblical beliefs are just that... extra not actually biblical.