Did Project Sekai RUIN Vocaloid?

my editing software crashed twice while i was rendering this... 'cus i... ran out of disk space... ahhh... i tried to fix some issues with the audio multiple times but my PC would not stop EXPLODING........ ANYWAY ;;
to project sekai fans who don't care about vocaloid: PLEASE learn more about vocaloid outside of project sekai if you're going to make judgements on it (or even if you aren't because it is SO worth a shot anyway)
to vocaloid fans who hate project sekai: give credit to the game where it's due and don't let the annoying fans keep you away from another good piece of vocaloid media. also remember to cherish vocaloid for what it IS and not for what other people may see it as. in this space, your interpretation is king
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Intro 00:00 - 03:29
Project Sekai GOOD, actually! 03:29 - 06:34
Project Sekai (fandom) BAD 06:34 - 13:56
But, really... is Project Sekai the bad? 13:56 - 19:43
The Answer 19:43 - 22:06
Outro 22:06 - 23:22
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[@ShoujoISMs]

PLEASE READ!!!!! 1. For those of you commenting on how I'm wrong for thinking Project Sekai ruined Vocaloid: I don't think that. A lot of my content on here is Project Sekai related + I explicitly stated in the video that I don't think it ruined Vocaloid. This video is more focused on how prsk fan's perceptions of Vocaloid are doing damage to the Vocaloid sphere itself and how Vocaloid fans shouldn't let some Project Sekai fans make them feel like Vocaloid is being tarnished. But yeah-basically, if you’re commenting about how Project Sekai is a good piece of media that has benefits for Vocaloid, I don’t disagree whatsoever! I hope this clears things up if I wasn’t able to with the video 2. for those of you questioning more about the rabbit hole situation: channel (WHO IS AMAZING BY THE WAY), the creator of the rabbit hole animation, has gone on record to say that the changes to the design of miku in the song were meant to simplify her design and NOT to portray her as an original character. to someone who's seen stuff like this happen in Vocaloid a lot/animates from time to time, this was pretty simple, but for any newcomers? now you know! (plus, channel tweets a lot abt miku and has retweeted a lot of fanart of the rabbit hole design calling her "miku" in the captions) here's the tweet for anyone wondering! x.com/_CASTSTATION/status/1763535261873709282?s=20

[@paranoidashes8261]

“hatsune miku from project sekai” is like that whole “naruto from fortnite” thing LMAO

[@guminaglassred]

or ''bug by n25'' is the same as ''world is mine by miku''

[@Osu_San]

​@@guminaglassredBut that is valid, Bug was written by Kairiki Bear yes, but the rights to the song belong to ColoPale, the song is written based on the Mafuyu event and the characters of 25ji. So it is valid to say: Bug for 25ji, More Jump More for MMJ, TeraTera for L/N, etc.

[@charliele9341]

⁠@@guminaglassredBug by N25 is valid cuz the the copyright belong to project sekai. You should differentiate between commission songs and cover songs

[@guminaglassred]

@@Osu_San oh wow!

[@guminaglassred]

@@Osu_San i also meant like people who think that n25 made the song and not the cover!

[@cringe911pookster]

Raise your hand if you were into Vocaloid before playing Project Sekai and play it as of now!!!! Edit (2024/04/11) DANG WE GOT WHOLE ARMY OF VOCALOID/SEKAI FANS!!! Thanks for all the likes ^^

[@snoflower12]

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[@Mayuapril]

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[@hqnaemu]

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[@jasminap1921]

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[@solar_z]

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[@___xyz]

i wish the pjsekai fans credited the actual producers for the music instead of the fake bands :(

[@MiniEmber]

This

[@ruitakanashixD]

If it's commissioned by the game itself (example Original songs) it's fine to credit the fake bands because it's bought. But if it's the original of the producer themselves(like they only bought it's right and cover by the fake bands) i agree but at the end of the day the game pays for it so the Game respective fake bands deserve the credit as a way to promote who band sang it.

[@MiniEmber]

@@ruitakanashixD No producer credit always comes first. The fake bands did not make the commissioned songs, the producers did

[@worldfuturestar]

Well yes ofc, but the "fake bands" also deserve the credit they receive. After all, the songs wouldn't be the same without the powerful vocals that bring the character's struggles to life. (Which is literally why they were commissioned.) So ofc the producers deserve credit, but the seiyuus work just as hard, they shouldn't be undermined.

[@stell7r_]

@@MiniEmbery’all never get heated when people say “kaai yuki instead of inabakumori..sounds like you just want a reason to be mad 😅

[@ZEDEX252]

Maybe like 3% yes but honestly 97% of it has been really good for vocaloid

[@childeofepickness]

real there are so many vocaloids songs and producers I wouldn’t have found if I hadn’t started playing proseka, and I’ve been a vocaloid fan since a while before downloading it

[@zashamelproductions69420]

Same​@@childeofepickness

[@meron9830]

​@@childeofepickness Same :D

[@yur.io-]

@@childeofepicknessfr! That and inabakumori got me into jpop!!

[@NotSamaXD]

@@childeofepicknesssame, but those pjsk fans on tiktok that started the “rabbit hole pure pure” “she’s not miku” shit pisses me off when they say that

[@lindsay5180]

The Rin and Len one especially annoys me because pjsk did try to head this off in the initial card stories by outright explaining that depending on the song, Rin and Len are siblings, friends, lovers, anything. It also tends to refer to them as partners. But a lot of people don’t read the card stories so alas.

[@Ishaeshae]

Pls tell me which card stories i wanna read them :)

[@lindsay5180]

The card story that explains Rin and Len is Rin’s initial 1 star part 2

[@Alex_sakiTenma]

Even in pjsk the vocaloids are still fluid, Len and Rin in leo/need the two have a sibling-like relationship BUT ITS LEFT TO INTERPRETATION. In the Street SEKAI, Len and Rin are very close and are practically inseparable. Unlike the duos in Vivid BAD SQUAD, the two bicker more than in any other SEKAI due to their mutual stubbornness and hot tempers. THEY ARE FLUID, THEY HAVE CHANGING PERSONALITIES

[@Alex_sakiTenma]

Also coming from a person who "focuses" on pjsk more than vocaloid, but I still like vocaloid

[@doritodorito492]

That's something a lot of people don't get. The Virtual Singers are meant to represent how fans have different interpretations of the Vocaloids. Any fanon interpretation of a Vocaloid could reasonably be a Virtual Singer in a Sekai.

[@coelipedro]

And they don't seem to interact much at all in the Empty Sekai so their dynamic seems completely different there

[@x-x_project_sekai]

​@@coelipedro and in the Wonderland sekai, they are more like friendly co-workers (from what I've gathered)

[@manuloid]

As a “veteran” vocaloid fan i agree with everything you said in this video. I love Project Sekai and we can’t ignore the fact that fans like the one you mentioned are trying to mess up the reputation of the game. Changing the game’s purpose drastically. The game is meant to introduce the vocaloid culture to a wider audience and to keep the vocaloid legacy alive for as much as possible. Thank you for making this video! It had to be said by someone.

[@akari014]

MANU!!!

[@manuloid]

@@akari014 HIIII

[@chaibgm]

ITS MANU!?!?!?!?@#$%?#@#?$#@?@#$5

[@lgtfajardo]

Eyy Manu !!

[@StarBrush13]

Tbh the amount of people complained about rabbit hole, or, any sexual song that has the 'Minors' singing it are annoying (and I saw someone whine about the animation)

[@xntiyu]

Like, there was absolutely nothing wrong with the animation. It was really good.

[@doritodorito492]

She's not even an underage character, she's an INSTRUMENT

[@Some_Random_Toothpaste]

Fr, it wasn’t even miku Edit: FUCKING CHILL AND LEAVE MY NOTIFICATIONS ALONE 😭

[@Mangoshine]

@@Some_Random_Toothpasteit is miku bro it’s a miku derivative

[@Some_Random_Toothpaste]

@@Mangoshine the creator said it wasn’t miku..

[@senkwa6810]

I feel like pjsk brought a lot of tourists into the vocaloid fandom. A lot of the western audience is uh… interesting… Like we have had songs abt cannibalizing little girls for years and these people are mad about rabbit hole 💀

[@maphen]

There’s a difference between a story about something bad and glamorizing something bad

[@sunny_capriccio564]

@@maphen Pjsk fans hate it all equally so no i don’t think there’s a difference

[@YourAverageLoser763]

@@maphen glamorizing...? you talking about the song or animation?

[@wintersnowflakes]

@@maphen Saying rabbit hole is glorifying fucking random people is like saying Ura-omote Lovers glorifies abortion

[@m00nl1ghtj3w3l]

​@@mapheny'all see anything as "glorifying"

[@kingxcalico]

You hit every nail in the coffin in this video, and it pains me as a pjsk fan who also has been into vocaloid for at least 14 years now, that ppl still refuse to take any of these points into account 😭

[@seed_was_taken]

Personally I think that project sekai actually did a lot of good for the fandom, but as I see it a lot of people find it kinda annoying that project sekai fans call themselfs Vocaloid fans (when they dont go out of their way to learn about vocaloids or other than the 5 that are included in the game. Also how they call the non-commisioned songs pjsk songs.)

[@doritodorito492]

I feel like the problem is mostly people refusing to see them as separate fandoms

[@mariandsayoriplushreal]

I’m both a PJSK and sort of vocaloid fan, but not really, i just know about some old songs, and I only play PJSK for playing songs

[@bellamissimarosam]

I play ProSeka A LOT and I somewhat agree. I mean, if they listen to Vocaloid, doesn't that make them a fan? Quite a few of the songs in the game have other Vocaloids (the Virtual Singer group especially), so they have an extremely high chance of going "Hey, I really like this song, I'm going to start listening to more of this Vocaloid because it sounds cool!" I've had experiences of people doing this, and the people who call themselves a Vocaloid fan without learning about other Vocaloids other than the ones in the Virtual Singer group are a minority. Especially since a lot of them (Gumi, vFlower, etc.) are VERY popular. As long as they at least acknowledge that other Vocaloids exist, they are a fan.

[@summerperry5356]

I started out listening to Hatsune miku and branched off into kaito len rin and meiko and soon Vflower and fukase and Gokupo and then started playing pjsk tbh i think its alright and fine to call your self a fan of vocaliod even if you dont know much about vocaliods a fan is defined by loving a certain topic or genre not necessarily your knowledge on said topic

[@purrdurxenna]

Thank you, I could not have worded it any better. The way the younger fans immediately jump on the fact of ages or who sings and/or is shipped is soo scary. Although I'm a young fan of vocaloid, I hope that once the fans younger than me grow older and learn to differenciate things.

[@doritodorito492]

My way of explaining it is that they're not really characters as much as they are instruments. Do you ask a guitar if it's of age before playing a song about sex with it?

[@waterfall2161]

Oh gosh this reminds me of when I saw project sekai fans call IA Nene on Tiktok hahah To add to what you already said, I think it also doesn't really help that a lot of project sekai fans are young minors, or so it seems to me anyway based on the people I've met in the fandom. They're quicker to jump on something if they don't like it or think it's wrong and it takes longer for them to understand things. Ofc no offense to anyone! Awesome video as always, absolutely delivered. Hopefully it will reach the people who need to see this too.

[@Galazee323]

STOP they always call her a Luka wannabe too

[@doritodorito492]

Now that I think about it they do have pretty similar hairstyles

[@ousamadearudesuwa]

tbh it was the same when we were young, but its annoying tbh since we see what most of us were back then.

[@Mikumikumikumikumikumikumiku39]

As someone who LOVED prodiva, and have been a long-time fan, NO. It has not ruined vocaloid. The new characters are, in my opinion, sort of stand-ins for the fans themselves? Like SEKAI is the songs that we escape into? I think that the people who discovered vocaloid through PRSK are cool! Its awesome that more people are still being introduced to VOCALOID!

[@foxied]

Phew I thought everyone in the comment section would catstrophise the situation (i dont want to waste time arguing, too). I'm more of the same opinion as you. To me pjsk was exactly a game which helped me dive into vocaloid culture. I'm not keen on many standard vocaloids but it's interesting how there is always something new to discover and listen to. I feel like people who depreciate current game and changes are just taking it too much to heart. Shouldn't it be that we all are allowed to gain interest in such things as we like? People obersimplify it saying things like "if you never played pj diva/listened to N songs you are not a true fan" or else... Why are people so mad about proving that there is only one standard. Why do they think following their crowd is the only option. Sometimes I get angry at them and can't help thinking how narrow-minded such people can be

[@KawaiiKittenz06]

I feel like this issue isn't exclusive to PRSK ofc but in the younger generation of fandoms in general... There is a strange emphasis on puriy culture that's prevelant in spaces nowadays...

[@hatboops]

honestly i am so glad that someone could talk about this without being extremely hostile to anyone who likes pjsk. seriously, the hatred some people have for us is ridiculous LMAO this isn't ENTIRELY related to the video, but it's something i've seen a few times and i really have to talk about it to get it off my chest, but i think vocaloid fans have a habit of taking "anyone who i don't like who likes the same thing as me" and labelling them all as project sekai fans, even when they aren't. i've seen a lot of posts from vocaloid fans being like "ugh stupid pjsk fans 🙄🙄" and the screenshot they give as context doesn't even have anything in it that suggests the person likes pjsk. this happened to one of my friends, someone on tiktok just randomly assumed she liked pjsk because she commented something about not liking a ship (i think it was miku/luka, or at least something similar). it's wild. idk why some vocaloid fans can't accept that it's not entirely pjsk fans who are the problem LOL anywayz yeah i pretty much entirely agree with this video 👍 wish people would stop judging pjsk for being bad just because a portion of the fanbase sucks though, it's a good game with fantastic stories and i'm sad some people are missing out on that! (literally i would be so much worse if towards the phoenix at the sky's edge didn't exist.) i think we could all use a good dosage of "maybe it's time to distance myself from the fanbase a little" because you don't have to deal with horrible people AND you can still listen to the silly robot people songs you like

[@natemontoya7907]

i literally saw a comment saying “i hate pjsk fans so much” and then not elaborate

[@potts11037]

oh yeah i totally agree. i was a vocaloid fan way before project sekai and i found no problem with it and i’m still a huge fan of both. vocaloid is still doing amazing and we’re seeing new viral producers pop up more and more often. i love lesser known producers getting their songs put into pjsk because it allows for their work to grow further

[@faiirysomi]

there's so many ppl who just say they hate pjsekai fans and refuse to elaborate but will jump at any pjsekai enjoyer they find is so patethic 💔

[@erraticcat3887]

Honestly, this could be said about any fandom. A few bad apples in the fandom make people assume the entire fandom is like that, too. :(

[@kaitlynmorgan8097]

FINALLY!!! I feel like there's so much to discuss about how prsk changed the vocaloid community, whether it be for the best or worst, but it always gets lost in people just yelling at each other

[@ch.1356]

The fact that these new fans still never credit the producers could make wowaka roll in his grave. Its the whole "what anime is miku from?" or " *insert song name* by Miku" all over again.

[@astronomee]

How dare someone not know something.

[@t_keo]

@@astronomee its not that hard to find the actual producer

[@TomOrTammy]

I was one of those people who viewed the vocaloids in their "cannonical" ages and I still do in a way. :0 BUT* you know... its VOCALOID, they are voice banks and not REAL people! xD So I've never really complained about songs being adult or not. Since it's vocaloid you can do.. well.... anything! xD.

[@TomOrTammy]

you are free to make and do what you want with vocaloid, even if some songs have been... questionable xD. EDIT: and seeing as I'm still somewhat a new fan (I've been into Miku stuff for like 2-3 years) I'm glad I didnt fall into being like that xD.

[@YourAverageLoser763]

real! like i do view them more as their "cannon" ages, but i also understand that their FUCKING INSTRUMENTS designed to be used for *any* type of music or media

[@RainiiDay7]

Same here, I enjoy thinking of them being their "canonical" ages as it humanizes them for me, but at the end of the day.. They are instruments, so I don't see anything wrong with people making them sing anything. After all, the whole reason Miku and Vocaloid got popular in the first place is that you can shape their narrative and story however you like.

[@Nefuteto]

as a project sekai and evillious fan, I am not one of these ppl cause we got like 15 diff Mikus in evillious 😂 one of them was even married so gotta learn to adapt

[@keshagriffin3375]

Same here like so many Miku’s!

[@sunny_capriccio564]

And what percentage of them are/are somehow related to Eve bahahaha (and Lich technically being in the Miku lineup is very entertaining to me)

[@keshagriffin3375]

@@sunny_capriccio564 a lot! Funny for me as well

[@ousamadearudesuwa]

and another fell in love with Duke Venomia.

[@spiritbladee]

YES!! Took the words right of my mouth! I've been a Vocaloid fan for quite some time, it's practically raised me. I had first come across Project Sekai through the commissioned songs. I have to say it's been great at giving new life to Vocaloid! It's really boosted some producers viewers and I'm happy about it. But like you said, the fans are a bit quick to attach themselves to the "canon" details. It doesn't even say their ages in Project Sekai, nor does it explicitly state Rin and Len as siblings! (hell it doesn't even describe them outside of their outfits and the sound of their voice). It's completely okay to be weirded out by some things, I will admit some producers can be very uncomfortable in what they write and portray. But it is not okay to bash other people for not conforming to loosely made confines. Vocaloid has never been about sticking to only one thing, it was always about stretching the limits and opening new possibilities to creators

[@Reaper-Azurwrath]

Good video! I've come to the conclusion that some new vocaloid fans or some project sekai fans don't understand vocaloid. The thing about vocaloid is that nothing is canon, so anything can be canon.

[@trashchildjpeg]

Hearing that the pjsk fans were BULLYING NAOTO FUUGA????????? T H E SWEET RAY OF SUNSHINE FATHER AND #1 FAN OF KAITO!!!!!! I'm so pissed tf off now. THAT'S OUR (the vocaloid fandom) DAD!!! THAT. IS. OUR. DAD. Literally no words, I'm so pissed off that that happened.

[@avinacrusaid]

FR like this part of this video made me feel new emotion😭😭😭

[@novi8081]

OMG YOU HIT ALL THE NAILS ON THE COFFIN!!!! The pjsk fandom is missing out on so much when it comes to vocaloid, and this was such a good video!!!! You also managed to convey all these points without any hostility at all and it was very very informative!!! GAhhhhh I love your video essays!!!

[@kagaminelen2652]

i always was interested in vocaloid, and project sekai kind of helped me get deeper into the fandom. i don’t play project sekai very often anymore though, because in my experience, the players use every chance to be unpleasant people. a good thing, though, is that i was worried that i will have to learn the characters and lore of all the vocaloids, and then i found out that they don’t have that, and they were whoever i wanted them to be. i don’t know most if the vocaloids, but i don’t really care, because i can think whatever i want of them, even though i only happened to listen to one song without even knowing the name of the vocaloid, just based off of the vibe of that one song.

[@kateybuggi]

This video was a lot better than what i was expecting, I was half expecting alot more bashing (no offense to you, im just used to it). I am a pjsekai fan, and vocaloid enthusiast, Ive been listening to vocaloid for like 5+ years now, I really wish people pjseaki fans or not, would do some more research into how vocaloids work fundamentally. Im going to bring up rabbit hole because I love that song and the animation that castation made to go with it, and also you brought it up. I knew the whole "miku is 16!' "shes a minor!!' thing for a while, i used to firmly believe that too, but after doing more research and looking into things myself, it helped me really not define her as a stagnant character. I always knew that, the miku from one song, is not the same as from another song, i knew that much, but the age thing was always different. Now looking back, it just feels so stupid for people to say that miku is someone's oc, that isnt not really miku. It just feels stupid. I think im just ranting now lol, anyways- im just glad this video wasnt overly negative, and it also helped but a couple of my feelings about vocaloid and pjsekai in general into perspective. :)

[@nizidafabie]

This whole thing made me resent the young side of the fandom. When I was that age, only just getting into vocaloid, I was NEVER like that. I wonder what makes these kids act like this. It makes the fandom space entirely undoable. Like, I am taking a step back. I havent interacted with the fandom in years now because of it

[@sunny_capriccio564]

Ofc there’s always been people like this in fandom, but COVID making them terminally online and Twitter flame wars hitting a fever pitch made a lot more of them. Ego and feeling safe in loud numbers isn’t a good combo. I don’t engage with fandom either

[@ruikasasfixer]

I was a vocaloid fan before I was a pjsk fan, but I honestly agree with this video. Pjsk has brought good things to both the pjsk and vocaloid fandom too (idk how to word this properly) but yeah

[@alienaed]

as a pjsekai fan who doesnt interact with other vocaloid much but wants to learn more, this video actually taught me a lot abt why people love vocaloid so much and it helped me understand how the individual vocaloids work :) thank you so much for making this

[@lielielovinyou]

as a Project SEKAI player who has been a vocaloid fan since before the release of pjsk, i sincerely apologize on behalf of everyone who thinks vocaloids are 'from project sekai'. there's more vocaloids than just the ones from crypton/piapro..

[@SummerStarlight]

i do think the proseka fandom has its... issues sometimes when it comes to how they treat vocaloid. but proseka has also done so much else, espcially in motivating creators, that i can't help but appreciate it. proseka next has been my FAVORITE thing to come out of proseka outside of the actual games and their ocs (honami my love). i really really love finding new and underrated producers, so i enjoy digging through the submissions! some of my favorite songs ever have come out through proseka next. if proseka next didn't exist, neither would hidamari no setsuna, and that thought makes me miserable. vocakore is another thing that has.. sort of come out of proseka?? it has ties to it, at least. but either way, it also motivates producers and a lot of other people that engage with the community, like utaite and dance cover creators (is there.. a term for them..?) and everyone knows about how incredible the song commissions are, but i just wanna reiterate that i am so so so happy that they're commissioning all sorts of producers and especially more unknown producers. sure, some people might just listen to the sekai ver once and not bother, but for every commission released there is probably at least one person who realizes they just found a producer who they really enjoy. also it directly pays the producer for their work which is always nice!! i know this was a horribly long ramble about one really niche aspect of proseka but yeah i really love how proseka has been supporting producers!! it's insane that there are producers now who dream of making a song that gets into proseka. i really think proseka has done a lot for vocaloid in that aspect, which to me is really important.

[@ShoujoISMs]

i completely agree with you on this!!!! the music is my favorite aspect of project sekai, and prsk next is like a GODSEND in that regard. it gives us so, so many amazing songs that i feel like i couldn’t live without!! obligatory alive mention vocacolle is also an interesting topic. i personally have been using the app for years before prsk, when it was called nicobox, but i haven’t seen as many people using it since the game came out. and it’s so refreshing to see more people using the app!! since it’s linked to nnd, it has A TON of popular and underground songs on there, so more people will discover vocaloid! i specifically love the ads they have in between songs, because a lot of the time, they’ll give you snippets of songs you may not know so you can add them to your playlist. it’s SUCH a good app for discovering new songs and for finding a bunch more from producers you may love. VOCACOLLE ON TOP

[@SummerStarlight]

@@ShoujoISMs oh for vocakore i meant specifically their bi-annual festival where the first place in the rankings gets added into proseka as a collab. i keep forgetting nicobox has also become vocakore because when i usually think about vocakore i think about the festival not the app even though i sometimes use the app too lol TUT but also i've only really utilized the app for its free song downloads (which is also a godsend) so i've rarely used the app while online and never realized the ad thing. that is actually incredible! i should use vocacolle more.

[@mochagatari]

I wholeheartedly agree with you in how much support to voca producers prsk has given but I must correct you on one thing: Vocacolle/Vocakore actually was a standalone thing for quite a while, it had been running since 2020 and Project SEKAI didn't start collaborating with it until 2022. I do think Vocaseka has helped get Vocacolle more attention though :>

[@SummerStarlight]

​@@mochagatariyeah, i'm aware of that! i'm just noting that it has some ties, not that its entire existence is due to proseka. i actually found vocakore due to proseka, so yeah it did help quite a bit

[@nixzousticks_]

This video was rlly good and as a vocaloid and project sekai fan I rlly appreciate it !! One thing I'd like to add though is that another reason why some project sekai fans don't branch out to vocaloid is that they just prefer the characters voices. Personally in my opinion, I think this is okay! Some people just like the covers and I think that's completely fine as long as they're not hurting anyone, do I think they should branch out? Yes, but only if they'd like to. Music is art and art is subjective. If they like the covers, they like the covers, and if they like vocaloid, they like vocaloid. I'd be different if they were doing the things u stated in the video, that's a problem. But some people just have different ways of expressing themselves. Hope this doesn't come off as hostile or anything😭 I completely agree with almost everything u said I just wanted to give my 2 cents. Ly and keep up the good work!🔆

[@doritodorito492]

I find it annoying when people act like Sekai having covers of the songs is somehow an insult to the producer. Like first of all, I'm pretty sure the producers consent to having their songs be covered, and they even make songs for the game. And second, people have been covering Vocaloid songs since forever so why is it different now?

[@nixzousticks_]

@@doritodorito492 yeah same I love the vocaloid community but some ppl just get so pressed 4 no reason some people just like covers more it's rlly not that deep😭

[@inkcat7]

covers are a wonderful way to show love to a song and its producer, and it sometimes helps both gain popularity. it's okay to have different tastes, and that's why i think it's silly to believe one is better than the other! some producers even cover their own songs! i really believe that these are two things that should coexist peacefully & happily

[@nixzousticks_]

@@inkcat7 exactly, it all comes down to preference! it kinda irks me bc vocaloid fans r usually hated on 4 liking what they like but when some ppl like listening to the pjsekai covers more then the og songs (which is them liking what they like) some vocaloid fans get so mad abt it😭 but yeah i also firmly believe that people should just be able to coexist with the fact that people will have different preferences!

[@kokoro7996]

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being just a Project Sekai fan, but then you shouldn’t make comments about wider Vocaloid as a whole without at least doing some research.

[@uchicken_]

i used to be super into vocaloid then stopped, then finally dug into the vocaloid rabbit hole (pun unintended) again. i used to follow along the lines of "canon" ages + relationships, because i just listened to the songs and thought nothing of it, plus old wiki pages/other forums that told me miku was 16, i believed it kind of but then ignored it. but digging into it again, i like making headcanons bc they're just instruments (or dolls, if you would) *especially* as a rinlen shipper... anyways mikus age is 39 because i said so, my headcanon guys

[@teeth_of_a_rat]

i'm not sure if i can say anything because i'm a little bit newer to both of these fandoms, (i've only been in both of them for about a year,) but i enjoy them seperately. i understood how vocaloid worked and loved how creative it let people be, especially when people made established characters using vocaloid songs that were seperate from the vocaloids (if that makes sense, think ghost and pals.) i found project sekai a few months later, because vocaloid game, but it's characters made me appreciate it more. i was dealing with a lot of complicated emotions that i wasn't sure how to process. these characters and their issues were so similar to mine, and they helped me understand what was going on. i felt found. the same can be said with many vocaloid songs though. jishou mushoku, goodbye, failiure girl, and other songs like that made me feel so much less misunderstood than i felt before. even though i got into one thing because of the other, i view them as seperate properties. yes, i love wondelands x showtime, but i also love kairikibear. the stories of pjsk are amazing, but so is that of bad end night and the evillious chronicals. i absolutely adore rui, but fukase is one of my favourite characters too. they're different, yet can be associated with one another. personally, i think people should do the reasearch about things they don't understand, especially if its related to one of their interests, but as someone who tried to explain vocaloid to my family, it can be difficult to comperehend, or why people like it on it's own or own. thabk you for coming to my ted talk.

[@suolucarim_]

Thisss ^^^

[@mksk4395]

Personally for me it ruined project diva. Project Diva is likely to be benched forever after Project Sekai and even though it is good, it's just not something I would play. I play on my PS5 but Project Sekai is for mobile. The only time I play mobile is on my way to work, where I use bluetooth headphones which means delay. Therefore, I never play Project Sekai realisticially after the initial honeymoon phase. Secondly, in Project Diva every map had some MV while in Project Sekai even popular songs like Melt don't have a MV. By the way, I like Project Sekai, regardless that I think the gacha is too expensive and does not offer anything of actual value. It just hurts me that it took away my favorite game franchise. Project Diva was very unique in it's input layout. Project Sekai has the ordinary keyboard layout that sooo many rythm games use. Miku deserved better and the painful thing is that it was taken away.

[@cannolicorgi8913]

Thank you so much, this is exactly how I feel and haven't been able to express it right. I play pjsk and enjoy it and there are so many songs that I love that wouldn't have happened without it, but I can't help but have negative feelings whenever I hear people talk about the game. I have my own issues with the game itself, but my main issue is that a lot of pjsk fans are pjsk fans first and vocaloid fans second, but try to shape the vocaloid fandom to revolve around their tiny portion of the vocaloid sphere. It can be hard to distance the fans from the content when Vocaloid is basically fan-driven, but honestly closing Twitter or at least just muting a few terms can help. Though sometimes with commissioned songs can make it feel like Vocaloid revolves around pjsk, its my job as a consumer to remember pjsk isn't everything and stop letting it live rent-free in my head. And I really agree about Vocaloid not being ruined. I see so many people say for one reason or another Vocaloid is dying when it's just not true. "Pjsk," "This other vocal synth," "utaite this utaite that," "x producer hasn't posted," and all of those things can be true to one degree or another, but do you really think the teal pigtails are going anywhere?? I don't think all these communities that planted their roots in the vocaloid community are going to completely branch off and forget about Vocaloid when it defined so much of why those communities are how they are, especially when all it takes is a scroll down the catalog to see these people started with Vocaloid. And even if they do, there's still a lot of people that are dedicated to what they liked before.

[@pkcell]

I got into Vocaloid in 2016-2017, and I remember Project Sekai’s announcement, where it was said that it would be a spin-off that coexisted with Project Diva. I was also big into Bandori at the time, and with Craftegg being announced to be at the helm, I was hopeful. When I could finally play it actively after getting a decent new iPad, I enjoyed it even if I want nothing to do with the main fandom. I only wish that it didn’t look like Sega was basically killing Project Diva in favor of it. It’s a gacha game. It’s eventually going to be shut down, and when that happens, all the charts will go as well unless by some miracle Sega decides to release an offline version of it. Project Diva, on top of being completely different, is a game with no need for online functionality to run. It shouldn’t die for a game that is fundamentally different. However, that’s Sega’s fault, not the fandom.

[@yukko_parra]

well, whilst the story is a different question, at least there are stuff like sonolus (and the god forbid 10K player cap) if you want to play the charts. works well offline

[@everafterbxnnix]

i am a vocaloid fan who discovered vocaloid BECAUSE OF project sekai. i absolutely adore vocaloid songs, along with the game. i think this game is amazing for people to discoverer new vocaloid songs, and with coms we get new songs that are just as popular as older songs. i feel like project sekai is more of a community built game. the songs are made by so many different producers, 2DMV’s are drawn BY FANS. and a number of different art is also drawn by fans, and i think that’s a good thing. not to mention this game isn’t buggy or terrible, the story isn’t bad either. once i started to like project sekai i started to learn about vocaloid on its own, and ive grown to love vocaloid. i would say that now i am more of a vocaloid fan than i am a project sekai fan. i absolutely love kagamine Len, his voice is my favourite out of all the vocaloids, i love his mascots appearance and there’s so much more about him that I love. I am so happy that i was introduced to vocaloid through project sekai, and many other fans have been introduced to vocaloid through this method, too. some of the bad project sekai fans… i cant deal with them tbh. but I also feel most Project sekai Fans really don’t give one about vocaloid at all. most of them just ignore the cryptonloids entirely lmao.

[@Galazee323]

I have never seen kaito fans till I joined the pjsk fandom LMAO. Although I don’t blame PJSK players for not really knowing much about vocaloid I wish some of them would educate themselves before calling themselves vocaloid fand

[@Ewnothank]

Same ! All i had seen from people were how he was a bleu kermit 💀😭

[@Nini_K2]

This is coming from someone who has been here since early 2010. Sekai didn’t ruin vocaloid, vocaloid both as a software and phenomenon was already buried 6 feet underground holding to it’s last peaks of relevance for dear life. Sekai did indeed bring a whole wave of new fans (specifically to the cryptonloids), however sekai fans are so insufferable and obnoxious to the point no one wants anything to do with them, plus (and this ain’t bad tbh, anyone is free to do as they please), the new horde of sekai fans are just that, sekai fans, not vocaloid fans, they don’t bother exploring the whole panorama of what vocaloid is/was, it’s voices and songs (other than probably VFlower but them flowers stans are also insufferable).

[@bugkasa]

honestly this, i didn’t really know much about vocaloid until i came across project sekai, the game allowed me to explore the variety of vocaloid and now i’m more of a vocaloid fan then being a pjsk one

[@htsunmiku]

What makes you say Vocaloid was already dead at that point? I personally dont see it that way. Just normal waves of interest since no space/fandom withh be 100% all the time.

[@Nini_K2]

@@htsunmiku The software tanked. V2 & V3 were peak Vocaloid as a software, V4 started declining and V5 tanked. V6 exists by the grace of god, the program fell behind to the point the cheaper/free alternatives (not UTAU) offer way more in terms of usage and quality. Project DIVA played a HUGE factor over the fandom, concerts too. Producers back in the day were BOOMING (still are but it's clearly different than before). SEGA killed the franchise due poor desitions and the concerts lowered their quality. Community slowly started fading. Sekai felt like some sort of reboot to everything, brough a new life to Vocaloid as a phenomenon and community to an extend, however, like i said, sekai fans are mostly just sekai fans, not vocaloid fans. Vocaloid is FAR from being what it was and most likely will never be what it was.

[@htsunmiku]

@@Nini_K2 ohhh. Sure. Yeah. Yamaha and Vocaloid are basically done. Idk wtf Yamaha did V5 era but they completely fked their engine and now the vocals sound terrible ever since (not even charming like v1, Utau or cevio). Also feels like Yamaha don't care anymore. They didn't even post anything for the 20th anniversary of Vocaloid. If you focus on just "Vocaloid" yeah. I agree. But when I think of the scene, I think of it as "vocal synths" as an entirety. even Crypton don't want miku to be on Vocaloid (though...piapro sounds bad too. So I hope they get past that hurdle😅). Watching the come up of synth V and cevio has been great. I don't think anything slowed down personally. Just changed form. But in terms of a larger audience , ppl who aren't massive Vocaloid/tech nerds, People who only saw Vocaloid as a phase or kids who just never had the chance to stumble into it. Prjsk has been great

[@_Kai-is-in-the-walls_]

7:15 lighting mcqueen :)

[@stxrriee-kc4gz]

lightning mcqueen :)

[@derekhansj]

This video has taught me new things about vocaloid I haven’t noticed, and it really makes me appreciate the genre of vocaloid for how much creativity can be done with different interpretations! Thanks for the great video!

[@Tinykooandmikey]

Project Sekai is like the BTS of the Vocaloid community. You are into something else before a certain interest like it comes into your life. BTS gets you into Kpop, and PJSK gets you into Vocaloid. There are other ways to get into a community than the most common one.

[@VenomVendue]

The only thing project Sekai ruined is my Diva dreams of a new game as Sega gonna milk Sekai for all it's worth and probably will never bother with a new Diva game

[@stevecrush123]

This is my own opinion: game is good...it's fun...the community however...not so much....especially Global/EN ver ._. ... [I'm going to be cancelled, aren't i]

[@AsterWi]

yo its the penguin

[@yukko_parra]

well, in pretty much all games you can have fun without liking the community. heck even i played some rhythm games for many years without ever once interacting with the community.

[@Yoisaki.Kanade.]

abit random but, thank you shoujo for your videos :] your pjsk content and content in general makes me smile everytime i watch !

[@KaagKagamine5]

I've been into vocaloid for as long as I've known anime, but didn't really become a full on fan until sometime around SeeU's release. Most of my time being a fan has been understanding what the heck vocaloid is and why is good. And the reason i love proseka so much aside of being the only music game with Miku or ft Miku that's accessible is that it has a deep understanding of the appeal of vocaloid, so strong is very nostalgic. It represents cryptoloids as what they always have been (ambiguous ageless virtual idols) just by the small detail of labeling Kaito's birthday as Kaito's anniversary. While at the same time celebrating the existence of Miku variants and the impact of Vocaloid for fans both in personal and professional level. Crypton knows vocaloid is the community, they know Miku's appeal is being a robot idol. And it becomes problematic if you separate a producer's experience with using Miku to make music, or refuse to acknowledge the fact that at core she's still a type of instrument. I've always thought the best way of understanding vocaloid is reading a producer or an utaite nterview, and proseka does an amazing job at providing a dramatization of some of those anecdotes.

[@jayshmay]

Thank you for the genuine video with explanations on things I didn’t understand. I’ve been a super casual listener for a very long time to vocaloid, but Project Sekai has gotten me way more into the fandom because I love rhythm games. I seriously needed that explanation on Miku’s age. I didn’t realize how fluid everything was, and so I thought people were using the “but in this she isn’t 16” as an excuse similar to when people draw minor characters doing…unsavory things with a warning that they are depicted as 18+ while not even actually making them age up. I’ve been in other fandoms for so long I was worried that it was just the same thing again. But now it makes a lot more sense, so thank you again for just how nicely you made this video.

[@LemonJuice978]

I really feel like I learned a lot watching this. I got into vocaloid through project sekai and for a long while I was stuck in a pretty conservative mindset about what the cryptonloids "are". I've mostly just avoided content that goes against what I thought of them and its really disappointing to see people that'd rather attack others about shipping or creating interpretations of *voices*. Like if you don't want to see miku do something sexual... then just dont watch it. Its shocking how they try to defend these "characters" with no defined identity. I agree that pjsk the game hasn't done anything bad for the vocaloid community and is great for providing an accessible introduction to the music, but after that its hard to dive deeper into the content without referencing the game you started with. I really just wish it was better set up to educate beginner vocaloid fans on how to join the long-standing community.

[@Exhausted905]

Ooo new video!! I don't have time to watch it rn but i will once i get home

[@Mothersangria]

As a long time vocaloid fan who plays project sekai maybe once or twice a month when i remember to, i mainly play it for the rhythm game and am a chronic story-skipper who just wants more currency to buy more songs. I love that they have the option to deep dive into these new fictional music groups and their characters, even if im not that invested in that aspect of the game. In the end im glad that this game brought vocaloid to a wider audience, but im always greatful to interact with og vocaloid fans/those who were introduced via pjsk BUT put in effort to learn more about the community outside the game.

[@zamboozle3741]

I lived through the trenches of those weird debates about canon and ages and spicy songs back in the day, and it disheartens me to see it coming back in the way it has. So I appreciate seeing a take like this. It's kind of the antithesis of the message behind Sand Planet, albeit not a song. I don't know anything about Project Sekai, and I don't like the way its fans are acting about Vocaloid, but it also makes me eager to introduce some of the "darker" classic songs and series to them (MotHY, much?) and see how they react. Heck, some of them might end up becoming true Vocaloid fans after learning what these beloved vocal synthesizers are actually about.

[@ShoujoISMs]

“antithesis of the message behind sand planet” is the biggest compliment i have ever received. i am printing this comment out to read on my wall every morning when i wake up. THIS IS WHAT I LIVE FORRRRR

[@MrPuzzleCodes]

As a pjsekai fan that isnt a fan of vocaloid, thank you for making it understand it better! Some things regarding it were a bit confusing considering i got into the game entirely because of the gameplay

[@witchscatt]

hey, project sekai is what introduced me to vocaloid, or may i say, 'reintroduced' me to vocaloid. as i knew what miku is(i also knew about len an rin) and that she's pretty popular, i didn't know that the vocaloid was actually SUCH A VAST MEDIUM. i got to learn about many more voices and producers. at first i found robots singing kinda mid, but the deeper i dove the more i was being mesmerized by the creativity of people using those voices to speak their mind. people really should at least try and learn this much. they don't need to become instant fans of the vocaloid culture, but they should at least respect how much it means to others and be a bit open-minded for what the art of this music conveys. amazing video ShoujoISM, love your content

[@user-rb4cj7mb8f]

project sekai existing also gave old elitist vocaloid fans a new nickname to refer to newer gen fans as… like u mentioned, ive been into vocaloid for like a decade by now and i love project sekai- of course the fandom and the game itself has flaws. I think many vocaloid fans don’t realize how toxic they act too though, its a two sided issue! I don’t like to see vocaloid elitists who don’t actually go all out supporting small producers and searching for new producers as well!!!

[@berry_cakeisgood]

People blaming on project sekai and the blaming the fans are so immature af y’all are like 20 going after kids 💀 I’m not gonna defend project sekai fans either cause they also make me mad but y’all should go after Sega they made that decision to not make any Project Diva games like let’s both enjoy project diva and project sekai and this is coming from a person who bee a fan of vocaloid all the way in 2017

[@Luckylylac]

i LOVE the way you look at art its so beautiful IT MAKES ME SOO EMOTIONAL

[@skin.peeler]

Off-topic but im INLOVE with your artstyle

[@cream_stew]

I agree with a lot of what you said. I've been listening to Vocaloid music for nearly 10 years now, and I def feel a divide when I see certain Sekai fans. But at the same time I think that's less a problem with what Sekai is doing, and more to do with the way fandoms are now. Every Fandom has a phase, around when it really blows up, where it becomes obnoxious. Sekai is slowly growing out of that from what I've seen. To the point where honestly some of the examples you gave are ones I never seen. So at the very least these aren't as wide spread as you might think. Platforms like Twitter and Tiktok are def making it worse because every one, including kids, can post their hot takes right out of the oven without ever thinking that hard about them. Bad environments are a breeding ground for that stuff. But don't let that blind you to all the good that came from both sekai *and* the fandom. I've been to Japan last summer, and every Animate store I walked into had a dedicated wall (if not more) just for Sekai. It attracted all kinds of people, more kinds than any other display. I find it wonderful that a piece of media can connect so many different people. And I'm sure with time more and more good will come out of that.

[@MinoriHanasatoIRL]

Im loving shoujos long videos

[@qwertys7gp]

I see you everywhere somehow. First it was Rui Superfan, now it’s you! You even joined MicrowavedMetalFork’s Ego Rock MEP!! Might as well subscribe before it’s too late lol

[@cryptidkoi8418]

“Hatsune Miku? like from PJSK?” = “Batman? Like from the Lego Movie?”

[@Neopets4Life494]

I liked the video. I found myself agreeing a lot with it. Personally though, I kind of don't like to interact with prsk-only fans because the ones you describe are the ones I see. im a fan of vocaloid fan for 10+ years, but im also a pjsk fan since the ensekai beta dropped. What I like about pjsk is that the original characters in the game are relatable (in struggles or personality because some really hit close to home) and that it brings in producers we don't see often that puts them under their own spotlight. But, as a vocaloid fan, I wish the devs leaned harder into giving the other cryptonloids more distinguishable voices in their units (and more whimsical designs like they give Miku because they're just as malleable). You can tell in the tuning of their voices when they talk what type of "personality" they want to represent, but if they're singing and they're not miku, you can barely distinguish between, say, MMJ KAITO and WxS KAITO other than the fact that they're featured in their respective unit's songs. And it's such a missed opportunity if they're gonna have the devs tune the vocaloids instead of the original producers since it can really show just how malleable the vocaloids are in that respect and showcase their vocal prowess (exception are there and Giga is one of them because if prsk devs got their hands in tuning his songs it would not end well). As a vocaloid fan, one other gripe i have is the mainstream commercialization of the music in prsk. Not all the time, but just something that comes up when I listen to the covers and variations at times (I'm mostly a WxS album collector). It's a conflict I've had for a while personally where "oh man these songs are great and the voicing is done but why does it feel a little more disingenuious than when I hear a cover online by an utaite or someone else with a vocaloid to tune?" Because the commissioned songs bleed between being a commissioned song and a vocaloid song, I can't tell if it feels like a vocaloid song first or a song made for a game on purpose. And while the singing was done as the characters by the VA's, I can't tell if the actors are doing it for a paycheck in that moment or their vocals cant do a certain pitch. Sometimes, when it's a commissioned song, I can't help but think "is this just for a paycheck???" at time. I've been a fan of Project Diva since PSP2nd# (my favorite one), and while the Diva games themselves had their own commissioned songs, they still had that less manufactured feel with wanting to experimental or earnest. But it could be a case of what the vocaloid sphere now vs what it was 10 years ago. I think i went off on a tangent, but I think project sekai is really good at showing what vocaloid is at a fundamental level even with my problems with it. But it did it heckuva lot better than PDX. Part of me wishes that prsk could get Nashimoto-ui songs onto Project Sekai, but I know dang well that it would not be recieved well by the prsk-only fans you described. Probably closest would be probably Shadow Man Show (with YM and their band mononokenonomo) or Kutabare PTA but I don't think the game will ever be ready for that. Still hoping for derivatives/fanloids to come back into full throttle

[@salopa8855]

wow... this has to be the best video essay I've seen in forever. Before watching this video I had no idea what was going on with the vocaloid community in regards to the pjsk players but now I feel fully educated on it! Thank you so much and congrats on this masterpiece of a video!

[@whitecat5782]

If you ignore the TikTok takes. Yeah the game has been really good for the vocaloid community

[@sleepysawakoZzz...]

This is a very well-made video, and I agree with a lot of your points! Aside from that, your artstyle/artwork is amazing!

[@KeiMidori_]

Oh i’ll just mention real quick on the rabbit hole thing cause there were a lot of confusion. The biggest thing is that people don’t realize the animation that went viral is not official. So the rabbit miku in deco’s video is indeed miku, but the girl in the animation is purepure 😅 (unless I’m completely misunderstanding the tweets cause i just used google translate) My opinion on project sekai from pre-release to after was such a journey. At first i was just like “oh a bandori copy but with vocaloids to bait existing fans” to “oh there are original characters? i wonder if they’ll be good since players are gonna be here for the vocaloids” to now believing that the game has one of the best writing i’ve ever seen in a gacha game But oh boy do I agree with you on these issues. But i feel like the rinlen and age discourse is a rite of passage for new fans lol, there’s just so much more now than ever in the history of vocaloid. Also hearing “Hatsune Miku from project sekai” or just “[cyptonloid/vocaloid song] from project sekai” in general confused me at first (because i initially thought anyone who plays the game would already know about vocaloids) but it doesn’t bother me much unless they’re insisting on their interpretations /because/ of what they see in project sekai

[@kahu.mp3]

I've been listening to vocaloid songs since January of 2021 thus making me a newer fan but somehow it feels like Miku has been a part of my life since before I can even remember. I absolutely love how you defined vocaloid as all the voices of mankind and could not have explained things better. Seeing vocaloid be misinterpreted as of recently has made it both stressful and exhausting to be on the vocaloid side of the internet, especially since vocaloid has become honestly the most defining and important part of my life. But I truly believe your voice can help those who are struggling and help everyone see the beauty of it all. Thank you so much for this and I hope youre doing great 💙💙💙💙💙

[@Lady_ETHNE]

This is an amazing Video! You were incredibly respectful towards every group involved while still voicing your grievances. Also that last part about Vocaloid being the representative of the human race is beautiful. Also also great artwork! Miku looks adorable and the project Mirai music is making me nostalgic :)

[@EverydayToothbrush]

ProSeka fans seem to me to be tourists rather than fans of the medium. The two fandoms should be considered separate but I don't think people see it that way (from the pjsk side). See this kind of stuff very commonly, like as anime is getting more mainstream attention, people just claim themselves to be part of the space when they care little for anything outside of the few shows they've seen as a kid just to make themselves look "quirky". It is what it is. Though it pains me to see songs get popular, but the producer gets no attention.

[@BafflingPlanet]

I'M EARLY U MADE SUCH GOOD POINTS!!!

[@Mairiuex]

This was a beautiful video essay, you really took the words right out of my mouth. Being 8 years old and bullied for drawing hatsune miku on my notebooks was one thing, but growing up with the culture as new songs arrived. Seeing people cry to songs like melt, hearing the stories and watching the heartbreak in songs like Cobalt Memories was such a surreal experience. I remember opening up project sekai for the first time thinking it'd be like any other miku game, and the little virtual singers theme saying something along the lines of "Singers through whom the creators of the world express their songs and feelings." just like HIT SO HARD?? They aren't anime characters, they're the voice of the world. Being able to express so much feeling through a tiny voice bank was a passion I didn't think I'd be able to share with anyone. And then project sekai emerged and suddenly there were so many fans? I felt excited when I saw this girl in my drama class open up the game and I burst out on a rant about Mairieux/Meru being added to the game and how "n-buna is this super cool older producer nobody knows about do you know him do you know!?!?!" and info dumping on this poor girl :😭. But it also made me happy that so many people got to see representation that I wish I had when I was a wee vocaloid fan. On the other hand, there are other times when I feel jealous or upset at these new fans. And the posts claiming "emu otori is my favorite vocaloid!" that make me wish project sekai never existed. But the excitement I get when an underground producer like eight get's "It was a very lovely june" featured and heard by millions around the world is something that I can never not be grateful for. I'm so thankful to project sekai for keeping vocaloid alive and uniting so many people.

[@ujo_star9759]

7:16 off topic but was that lighning maquinn? (Idk how to spell it)

[@yukko_parra]

ahh dw, the correct spelling is lightnin' mah-queen

[@stellar_salad]

Thank you SO MUCH! I'm a new fan of Project Sekai and Vocaloid and you explained everything SO WELL.

[@Rivwe]

see ive been a fan of vocaloid since i was about 8 or 9 and as much as i ADORED vocaloid i never had anyone to talk about it with since 1, not exactly popular with elementary aged kids, 2, not popular in the states at the time. I was nervous about bringing it up as a kid because I thought people would call me weird for it, or that people wouldnt wrap their head around the concept as easily as i did. Watching vocaloid gain as much popularity as it has now has been a SURREAL experience and it makes me happy that not only has the vocaloid fandom skyrocketed but so has the content one can consume as a result. Its like going back in time to watch little me's eyes light up when they first found out what vocaloid was through a kids react video. I love seeing people bond over vocaloid the same way I wished I could when I was little. that being said, fandom growth will always come with its consquences and vocaloid is no exception. i havent played project sekai so take this next thing with a grain of salt but considering that so many new age vocaloid fans found vocaloid through project sekai, not only do we have the issues youve mentioned, but vocaloid along with its fanbase is a lot easier to stereotype by an outside perspective. all in all i will say that pjsk has been a VERY good and interesting addition to vocaloid and has changed its fanbase drastically from what it was before. I often see people fearmongering that the vocaloid fandom is dying and that everyones forgetting about vocaloid but games like pjsk are the sole reason why i dont think thatll be happening soon, especially when we have vocaloid producers creating more and more content almost DAILY.

[@snicksss]

Very well said. I've actually sort of fallen out of vocaloid to an extent for a while but playing Project Sekai has gotten me into it more than ever. Vocaloid is just so deep and has a way of speaking to you, so I also don't think anything can really "ruin" it so long as the concept of freedom and expression doesn't change. Also I'm eternally grateful to Project Sekai for allowing me to develop an unhealthy obsession with the man named Tsukasa Tenma.

[@aikonachan]

Love this video lmao explains the situation so much!

[@lillyie]

project sekai are the modern equivalent of osu fans. back then you'd see people comment on a song "this is from osu!" but now, it's "this is from project sekai"

[@asdf01]

educational, pls continue clarifying this to the community

[@yukko_parra]

from an outside perspective, this video was very helpful in understanding what makes vocaloid so attractive to people. I didn't know anything about the nuanced personality of each vocaloid dependent on the song, so from that view, this video is excellent at its explanation.

[@akudoka]

Project Sekai literally's getting me into VOCALOID, and i'm so glad about it. Adding the ``miku/any other VOCALOID is 16/14/22/literally any other age, you can't ship them !!`` , i'm sure most of you has saw the mikuluka short of ``i'm going to confess to you on valentine's day!!`` animation, and the comments are literally ``miku is 16 and luka's 22, you can't ship them!!`` but what if that video's an interpretation of how the person sees Miku and Luka, and i'm sure they most likely know that if miku is said as ``16`` and luka's age is said as ``22`` as a ENTIRE STATEMENT and not being flexible and changable, they surely wouldn't ship them. However,as i mentioned,it's their own interpretation meaning they can change how both miku and luka can look,what's their personality and even age. Also, you did a great job at explaining this, and i'm glad i used these 22 minutes of my life

[@animmjfan]

I’m from PJSK when I only knew 2 miku only songs and I didn’t know anything but still could understand that miku can be any age and nothing in the video was anything like me

[@akinarii1]

While I agree that some proseka fans can be really annoying, I feel like people forget that the majority of them are kids just doing stupid kid stuff online and a bunch of the older fans, a lot of them being adults btw, turn into butthurt gatekeepers getting mad at kids for not really knowing that much about vocaloid but loving proseka so yeah, the proseka fans can be really frustrating, but there’s a problem on both sides of this spectrum

[@tenkuken7168]

I just want new project diva on pc with sick miku graphics in hd

[@t_keo]

"did project sekai ruin vocaloid?" no but it ruined 14 year old girls on twitter and tiktok that cant handle seeing a fictional male

[@PrincessMalka_]

what happened /genq

[@t_keo]

@@PrincessMalka_ a bunch of shit - they got one of rui’s events canceled because it was “racist” (it was really not) - started yelling at pinocchioP for his cup noodle collab song because they thought it was cultural appropriation (it was also not) - will lash at you if you mention anything about straight ships - ruikasa and akitoya shippers making everything about their ships (including a very recent an jp event) - a whole thing about how kanamafu was supposedly problematic went on (turned into a copypasta) - got upset with ifuudoudou (pomp and circumstance) because it was apparently “a sexual song and minors are singing it” - still gets upset about how rin and len are supposedly siblings (they’re not, they’re literally anything you make them out to be but people dont read card stories anymore) list goes on, these are just the big ones

[@PrincessMalka_]

@@t_keo Rin and Len can be anything. Sure they were originally supposed to be twins but Crypton decided to keep their relationship up to the fans/producers. This is also mentioned in pjsk in the card stories but do pjsk players really read the card stories? ☹️ Ship wars are also a really common thing in every fandom any I hate them sm.

[@t_keo]

@@PrincessMalka_ exactly! its so goofy

[@lunisht2523]

I think the main problem of the fandom missinformation is cause the game, there isn't a section that explains what a voice bank is or the cryptloids stories, so someone new starting to meet vocaloid by proseka makes it harder

[@jenz5740]

SO REAL! As a fan who entered the Vocaloid space through PJSK, ill admit, i do have my own head canons BUT that doesn’t mean i let it control the way i see vocaloids in songs, or the cannons for others. I love vocaloid, and what they stand for, and i do really hate what some the the PJSK fans do. Like the Rabbit Hole drama really did piss me off.

[@itz_sophi3693]

The worst part for me (a person who doesn't like project sekai) is that BOTH PEOPLE AND APPS ASSUME I LIKE PROJECT SEKAI JUST BECAUSE I LOVE VOCALOID 😭😭😭 everytime i go on pinterest i get A LOT of stuff about project sekai on my feed just for the fact that i like vocaloid, a lot of my online friends immediatly assume that i like project sekai just bc i like vocaloid, etc

[@MariposaDeMedianoche]

10:38 "cause why is a 16 year old singing about taxes" That alone just made my day.

[@Birdieeeeeeee]

Thank you so much for uploading this video. Though I have been a Vocoloid fan for around 6 years I still learned a lot from this video and realized that rin and Len are just what you want them to be. Siblings, friends, lovers, or whatever. So thank you!

[@Birdieeeeeeee]

Also love your rabbit hole art!

[@fffanii]

how do i make everyone see this i already have liked vocaloid, but project sekai boosted that liking for me. before, i saw vocaloid songs along side all the other songs i liked, and hardly knew anything about it. some songs i could even tell were sung by vocaloids 😭 getting into project sekai let me appreciate vocaloid for what it is, too, and i feel like most pjsk fans can do that and a lot have, but theres also the aspect of people wanting to be right and struggling to admit when they’re wrong. it leads to people going insanely far to justify their own opinions instead of listening to others. pjsk was INSANELY INFLUENTIAL to me, and got me into vocaloid enough to the point where im trying to figure out how to speak japanese just to make vocaloid songs that i want to!!! i love vocaloid and i love pjsk and although im technically a “new vocaloid fan” and can’t really say much, this video put all my thoughts into words perfectly!!!!!!! vocaloid being a pipeline to get people into vocaloid is what it has been to me. i still love pjsk and the characters dont get me wrong (akito and ena my beloved children), but it increased my love for vocaloid tenfold. a millionfold. i dont know a lot ok i think that what i said earlier about people justifying their opinions and getting heated applies to both sides to (original vocaloid fans PLEASE don’t come after me PLEASEEEE) because people are getting downright pissed at kids who just,,,,, don’t know that much about vocaloid, and i think that both sides need to take a breather. you can inform people without pulling out the all caps 😭 overal this is a great way to explain it and i need more people to see this and watch this because it gets everything across perfectly why cant project sekai fans and vocaloid fans all just hold hands and kiss and frolic in a field of flowers together

[@kirusea]

i love you for this, i was really uneducated about these things a few weeks ago (SPECIFICALLY the rabbit hole situation) I kept saying around that it wasn’t Miku because in deco*27s twitter, it made a post with A SENTENCE with the word “pure-pure” instead of Miku. that was the misinformation people were misunderstood about. It was about the animation by channel, im pretty sure of it. I was misinformed too. Honestly, just let head canons be head canons. unless they are bad, for example, mizuki being a p*do. (no, im not joking around. i saw someone head canon that.)

[@kirusea]

I’ve been a Miku fan since 6 years old, starting with the song “Miku”, and “Copycat”, too. I don’t know why i was misinformed about it-

[@kirusea]

Although, at the time, i didn’t know that Copycat was produced with a GUMI voicebox.

[@faiirysomi]

as somebody who knew Miku ever since Levan Polka and was obsessed with her in elementary school and part of middle school, idk dude, there's no mayor changes as people really wanna think they are

[@Byaksune]

A handful of hypocrites twitter freaks thinking that they are morally superior than everyone else judging FICTIONAL characters actions and their relations putting artistic freedom at risk... as a recent Vocaloid/Project Sekai fan and seasoned gamer I say, welcome to our reality.

[@calicobunny]

i was hoping with the release of "shall we go?" it would put to rest the len/rin debate please god

[@Adachi_Zephyr]

I got into vocaloid through sekai back in June of last year and I like to think that I’m better than the people you talked about during this. I’ve also heard a lot of people say that sekai players think that vocaloid is just 6 robotic voices and only the ones in the game, when that’s not what I (and hopefully most of the community) think. My favourite vocaloid will always be fukase, and you will never stop me from memeing gakupo to death lol. I have one ship between vocaloids, KAITO X MEIKO, and I do not think in the slightest that anyone should be forced to take that as canon. Yes almost the entire fandom agrees that the 2 of them are more often than not middle aged. No that does not mean that KAITO can’t be in love with vocaloids like Miku, who is more often than not 16, in certain songs. Also, don’t harass voice providers because they ship their own vocaloid with someone mostly agreed upon to be half the others age.

[@Luckylylac]

AAHJHHGJH THIS IS GENUINELY SOO GOOD OH MY GOD SHAKES YOU.

[@fatimaioi8677]

i feel like project sekai fans just kinda made the vocaloid fandom more modernised and thats why people who've been here longer dont like the newgen stuff. but also, lots of project sekai fans arent very knowledgeable on vocaloid and such which is why its so aggravating for old fans when they make such basic mistakes (e.g. ive seen people asking "how to make miku talk," claiming rin and len have canon relationships, and also straight up calling ado and various pjsk characters vocaloids.)

[@bebbe6596]

I just got into pjsk cause I saw Miku on the App Store and thought "omg they made a mobile, free, version of project diva?? the game I've begged to have for years???"