Did RuPaul Go TOO FAR?! + BEST & WORST UK Season 2 Runway | RuPaul's Drag Race | Mangled Morning

[@koalakat6286]

I see why UK Hun would be considered a childrens' song, but I think what's important is that it's not just a girl group challenge but a Eurovision challenge. This would totally be an entry that would be sent to Eurovision, expecially in the 2000s. As a fan of drag race and Eurovision, I am just living for it and I can't stop listening

[@korie4198]

Yeah can't get into it

[@miriammontenbruck8022]

It has been stuck in my head for days :D :D

[@OnceUponADonkey]

Clock the username, but I was coming to comment just this! The challenge wasn't like the girl group one last season where it was to do a song that could (and did!) chart - it was deliberately to do a campy, over-the-top Eurovision song. I don't think it was deliberate, but "ding dang dong" could even have been a reference to "ding a dong", a song that won in the 70s. This was definitely one of those challenges where the culture shift is real between UK and US, this isn't the first video that has questioned the quality of the song while everyone in the UK is like "omg this is a great, camp *Eurovision* song" - the challenge was very much an in-joke, like with the postcards and knowing that Graham Norton does the commentary on the actual show, sadly that wasn't conveyed very well for the international audience.

[@lisbonirish]

@@OnceUponADonkey Completely agree with you. These two had absolutely no idea that the song had a very strong old-skool Eurovision vibe to it.

[@thomaskelliher]

I can totally see San Marino doing this

[@Caroleeena]

Joe Black didn't have seven months. He had three weeks. And he'd sold all his costumes to put food on the table during the pandemic because he couldn't work. He had to buy them all back...as fast as he could...and then he only got to stay one episode. He has a lot of grace about it but I feel bad for him. He says he's glad he got to come back but what an experience. Yes, it's Drag Race but maybe RuPaul could have tried to help Joe Black out because trying to get ready for Drag Race in three weeks and with no money seems impossible. (You'll note that Joe Black is not one of the ones who came back with a new face.)

[@rbj8387]

They normally only get two weeks to prepare so she actually got an extra week.

[@charliek2543]

@@rbj8387 They're normally not in the middle of a pandemic though.

[@gregap8282]

@@charliek2543 so many excuses to defend falling short. When the pandemic fell, I lost all my clients (Im an independent worker). I had to pull ideas and solutions out of my ass to pay my debts and taxes. I will tell you something, 7 months or 2 weeks is extra time they had to pull something together. There are no excuses and Rupaul was on point.

[@PepeTheGame]

I think the reason why UK Hun sounds "childish" is because the challenge itself was inspired by Eurovision, a contest which embraces lots of campy and catchy songs every year. Therefore they tried to make an "Eurovision" song for this challenge 😊 Songs like this are performed every year and the girls killed it! 😁

[@Catinka88]

I had a real problem with Ru's rant actually. This pandemic and it's lockdowns have not been some kind of vacation. It's been survival for a lot of people. Like Lawrence and Bimini said during the episode, it has been HARD. It's been mentally draining and financially very difficult. Queens invest a lot of money on their getup when they get invited on the show and they were expecting "Ru Girl bookings" right after; not seven months locked in your home without any income. It must have been precarious for a lot of them. I heard Joe Black had to sell outfits to make rent. Bimini saw the industry collaps, Lawrences was sinking in depression with a roommate who couldn't help because he was going through the same thing.... Que Ru, ranting about having to do two weeks of quarantine in a (undoubtly very fancy) hotel (something she just gave two days of as a gift to Sherry and Astina btw) and being angry at Tia for spending her quarantine in the 'wrong way'. Ru can say something is not good enough, ofcourse, that's the show, BUT claiming they'd had seven months to prepare, like it was some kind of fucking sabatical AND complaining about having to quarantine for two weeks was spoiled, entitled rich person behaviour. Void of empathy. Tone deaf. Hated it.

[@ait8551]

What I don't like is people saying oh they had 7 months off so they must of improved but most of the queens were in awful situation. Ellie had to move out as they couldn't afford rent. Cherry had to go back go working as a nurse. they didnt just have 7 months to perform and earn the cash and it was also hard. Veronica went through a really hard depression stage during lockdown which took over half her time and then was to be told she couldn't return. Like the queen who did evolve aka Sister was the most fortunate one who had an office job before the show so she had money to spend on looks and got even a new face

[@Catinka88]

You're right in a way. Saying you blew up because you were in quarantine for two weeks is not exactly the same as complaining about being in quarantine, but it is very close. Ru was saying it caused her to be in a mood, which implied she hadn't found it to be easy. I never said the comments weren't valid though. Joe's pink dress was too basic, their act wasn't catchy, Tia's outfit was a miss, I agree with all of that. What bothered me was their atitude while critiquing. I watched it again and notice Ru doesn't herself mention the pandemic as "time off", that was Michelle, but that in combination with her remarks about "flying all the way across the pond" (while most people can't do that currently, not even for their jobs) and her mood being caused by her two weeks in a nice hotel was just distasteful to me. Critique the looks, that's what you're there for, just don't be gross and entitled while doing it.

[@gabnel1000]

Wel I remember everyone raging at Trinity the tuck for trying to work shows, when she stated she needed the money elsemshe ight lose her house.

[@Sue-pn7mq]

@@gabnel1000 Especially since Trinity hasn’t got family or many other people to help out with the bills, people have always depended on her, I totally got why she tried to find ways to still be able to perform.

[@kirstyphillips1972]

Did you see the Queens at home episode? Some of them really went through it! Poor Veronica going through that awful depression, only to end up with Covid, and Cherry working as a nurse throughout. It definitely wasn't a holiday for them.

[@Arddonniss2202]

My issue with Ru's comment was how it was directed at first specifically towards Joe Black. Joe has mentioned that despite having a 7 month hiatus from filming, she was only informed of potentially returning 3 weeks prior due to Veronica not being able to return. She had given away most of her drag race looks to stay financially afloat in the UK amongst the ongoing pandemic and governments abysmal approach to it. So I don't agree with hating something because of where it was bought (Astina won week 1 with a 'store bought' look) because then it can be perceived as a classist situation. Its all about how a queen can take something and style it to make it DRAG MAMA and Joe ultimately failed that (no hate I'm really like Joe Black but facts iz facts) and was read rightly for it but it looses me with the brand stuff. P.S. Love this channel

[@mikeparez]

Bianca had 2 weeks and she won. Thatrs why she most of her looks had the same silhouette but they were gorgeous and she made ALL of them. Joe couldve done the same

[@Arddonniss2202]

@@mikeparez I completely agree with you and with ru commenting on the fact if you’re gonna have something basic you better pull out something to jush it up abit, but the rant itself was where I got lost, you can get something “off the rack” and make it look not off the rack which is what should’ve been hit home rather than. If you buy from here you lose. Just a different perspective I thought should be considered (also yeah Bianca did have the same silhouette but she styled them nicely which Joe did not)

[@Arddonniss2202]

@thira lanup yeah the snide comment trying to do a Tia and make the judges laugh went over like a wet fart in a lift 😂😂 I agree with any argument that “you can drag it up more” but no the implication of “you bring store bought you lose”

[@Arddonniss2202]

@thira lanup I was making a point of how it was insensitive specifically to the situation of a handful of contents on a uk tv show and all I’m getting is a lot of comparisons to other seasons which wasn’t the angle I was approaching it as. My point is during that time of the rant (RANT not the critique) it can come off as insensitive to part of the fandom (I wasn’t as mad as other people in my community but I can see why people would feel that way) I was just trying to bring more perspectives to the table don’t mean to make things heated it’s all coming from a positive place xoxo

[@Callimachus33]

Joe Black did not have 7 months... she said she literally had 3 weeks notice.

[@Caroleeena]

And no money because he couldn't work. And he'd sold his costumes for food and had to try to buy them all back. He's also not one of the Queens who came back with a new face. Ru knew he only had three weeks to prepare for Drag Race, during a global pandemic. Ru is rich as shit. He could have helped him. And should have. He was asking a lot of Joe and during a difficult time.

[@Sadude13]

@@Caroleeena where did you get this information

[@paidamichelle754]

@@Caroleeena yall are too fucking sensitive, I can't. if that was the case then maybe Joe should have told them "look i'd like to come back but i sold my costumes to survive the pandemic so my runway won't be good.'' no one forced him to come back.

[@teacue7007]

@@paidamichelle754 are you kidding me?? Are you saying you wouldn't come back if you had the opportunity?? Of course they would jump on the chance and try to make it work, and if she had said what you suggested you'd probably be calling her out for making excuses. some people...sheesh

[@paidamichelle754]

@@teacue7007 wearing a dress from H&M then making a joke about it during critiques after being given a 2nd chance is not "trying to make it work". buying said dress then dragging the shit out of it to make something amazing and unique is making it work. Joe didn't.

[@michaelmorrison1701]

Ru wanted her Tyra moment. And she kind of got it

[@nickwheeler5396]

I thought her speech to Tammie Brown in season 1 and her going off in season 7 was much more intense

[@markhague9226]

Joe black had three weeks to prepare, after selling his gear , also I did get a little pissed off that we are in lockdown our NHS fighting to save lives and some people are getting cosmetic surgery. My heart went out to Cheery in the catch up episode on Friday she had simply watched people pass away in her role as a Nurse . Yes we want escapism but it came across as rude

[@bricksloth6920]

This seems very tempest in a teapot. It's not about H&M per se. Personalize your look. Rhinestones, sequins, something.

[@signeaarejrgensen61]

Tempest in a Teapot?😊 that's an awesome saying. In Denmark we say Storm in a glass of water🤓

[@CreatePeace612]

100% this! I mean, what happened to queens sewing?

[@fkagreg]

Joe could have just stood there and take the critique but he had to tell on himself and say its H&M LOL

[@Sadude13]

absolutely. the moment he mentioned H&M, Ru lost it!!!

[@paidamichelle754]

and he did it in a joking way which Ru took to mean he wasn't taking it seriously.

[@rbj8387]

I think that set Ru off more than the actual outfit. Had Joe explained her financial situation and used that as a platform to discuss the financial problems she and others faced due to the pandemic, then she may have gotten more sympathy and started a good discussion. When she kind of jokingly mentioned it was off the rack however, especially after Tia's critiques, I think that's what got Ru so upset and was like "Do you even care?"

[@armpitification]

@@rbj8387 don’t you think Ru should know about the pandemic and the struggles queens are going through? I mean yes, he’s out if touch but come on.

[@rbj8387]

@@armpitification Don't you think Joe should have brought that up, rather than just kind of laughing it off? How is Ru supposed to know each queen's individual situation if they don't tell her?

[@callumchristopher3024]

Although UK Hun? Is still at #2 on UK iTunes (after spending a couple days at #1) - it’s not at #4 officially in the UK. The song is currently Number 4 on the BigTop40 which is effectively CapitalFm’s made-up chart that they do every Sunday. The chart on which Break Up - Bye Bye peaked at #36 was the Official UK Top 40 which is the real chart conducted by the OCC (Official Chart’s Company). We’ll see this Friday where UK Hun? manages to peak, but the midweek update yesterday showed that it wasn’t even in the Top 20 sadly... but it could still peak around #36 like Break Up - Bye Bye I guess! Here’s hoping 🤞

[@AngryCandy89]

I read somewhere that Joe sold some of the outfits they had for Drag Race to pay the bills, so when they were told to come back they had to start over. Edit: I feel like people are more upset because It was Joe, Who just had 3 weeks to prepare to come back, unlike the other queens

[@titouan4060]

they actually bought the looks back from what i’ve understood in the Popbuzz interview, and all that in 3 weeks only !!

[@ait8551]

Yeah Joe said she sold most of her looks for her rent and to live off of. But she bought most of them back legit 3 weeks before she went back to the show.

[@AngryCandy89]

Thanks for the clarification. I understood that Joe remade the looks. Anyway, this shows that not all the Queens had money during quarantine to upgrade their drag, specially thinking they wouldn't come back

[@juliedawson8027]

@@AngryCandy89 Joe was also doing regular free online gigs throughout quarantine and sharing some of the donations for these with other artists. He is pure class, H&M or no.

[@kellyjackson5719]

UK Hun is actually now number 4 in the charts over here 😂 The country has gone UK Hun mad!

[@ait8551]

The UK queens charting again

[@Lukuzz]

It isn't at number 4

[@kellyjackson5719]

@@Lukuzz In the Big Top 40 on Sunday it was. Official charts for Friday are looking at placing between 20 & 30 (currently at 25)

[@Lukuzz]

@@kellyjackson5719 yeh unfortunately the big top 40 means nothing, it's still at 25 in today's update so should hold up in top 40 👏🏽

[@kellyjackson5719]

@@Lukuzz Tell that to the girls and WOW who were tweeting about it 😂 But yeah, it’s about Sunday. Fingers crossed it does well 🤞🏻

[@benschonhorn9561]

"The world's about to end by the way" was the funniest quote of the whole episode.

[@yepitsthatguy5278]

The problem isn't that the dress was from H&M, the problem was that it *looked* like it was from H&M. Joe told them it was from H&M as if it was some kind of humble brag ... I'd only boast about getting a $5 dress from a thrift store, if someone said I looked sickening in it, and I wanted to show off that it was a STEAL. That kind of brag doesn't work if I literally look crusty, musty, dusty and busted. I've seen people coming to Joe's defence that it's expensive to do drag race, and in a way they're right, we shouldn't chastise queens for not having the immense budget needed... but ellie literally makes all of her drag, including all outfits, wigs and there's some creativity in all of it, and most of the time we can't tell. AND Joe is a touring queen, she's literally the queen with the most resources at her disposal in the entire cast. Joe's mistake was that she didn't wear the dance/performance outfit she intended to would have been better - she instead chose to sacrifice how she looked on the show, in order to fit the Pink theme in the rest of her group.

[@pugdad2555]

Ru's only job is to look pretty (which he doesn't do himself). Look at all of Ru's other ventures, they have been cancelled. The only reason why Drag Race is not is due to the fact of the "local" queens that put on the show for Ru to just sit back and get rich. This hasn't been Ru's show for years.

[@misslimeperu5674]

Next rupaul's quote: I dont want to see any F amazon Mayhem: 👁👄👁

[@DanceObsessed8]

I love love love Joe Black so I am biased, but Ru’s tone was a little much for me. It seemed planned/scripted to add drama to the episode with Joe getting the short end of the stick. I have emotional whiplash from Joe coming back and then leaving again right away 😂😭

[@juliedawson8027]

There are just so many things that irritate me about Ru's outburst. The Asos jacket. The fact that costumes for performance challenges are often really basic because they're not really meant to be getting judged on them. The fact that Joe made that H&M joke and that seemed to set Ru off even though I've seen queens make similar jokes with the judges during negative critiques a hundred times without Ru going nuclear on them. The fact that Ellie Diamond's challenge look may have been custom made by herself, but still looked like she got it off the rack at H&M. The fact that Tayce's outfit made her stand out like a sore thumb in her group to my mind, but I've not seen anyone mention that. The fact that the judges seemed to be way more focused on Joe's challenge look than his performance. The fact that most other queens doing a runway that fierce after a mediocre challenge (and the actual performance WAS mediocre at worst rather than horrible, despite the shady editing that showed the judges looking miserable throughout) would have been saved. The fact that Ru has this habit of asking girls in the bottom what they are going to do next time (Tia Kofi) and then shouting them down when they say they plan to do better - what answer does she expect? WHy even ask the question? Joe's such an amazing performer and lovely human being, I just hope his Drag Race experience was less traumatic for him than it was for fans like us!

[@nicolaminotti6692]

Ru did apologize for her outburst when the queens came back to the stage. Free publicity for H&M.

[@maxbaltz2490]

Lol I’m not sure if h&m would want that “free” publicity 😂

[@dragosbeat]

@@maxbaltz2490 girl that rant made me want to buy something from H&M

[@kirstyphillips1972]

I bet they sell out of that dress now!

[@marchawkins6904]

About Ellie’s bird look, I agree that the colorization could have been different, but she is wearing an “ittsy bittsy, teeny weeny, yellow polka dot bikini.”

[@princessnatty]

Yes! Her legs could of been more of the colour of her shoes, like orangey

[@rbj8387]

To me the shoes were great, but again with Ellie it's a great idea with killer makeup, killer accessories/styling and an OK outfit. When you get down to it, it was a leotard with a bikini over it. Not to hate on her it was a fun look, just that the face and styling were doing most of the work.

[@AmaanStorm]

When people moaned that Asstina was given a free pass for wearing an Asos jacket....well that's the kind of style snd item of clothing you'd see on the streets of East London, which was in response to that weeks runway theme (Hometown look). I've never seen a girl group member with a H&M dress, platformed boots with really cropped finger wave hair. It was all over the place and looked incredibly basic. Ru was right to call it out. She made no effort in restricturing, re-fashioning or customising the actual garment.

[@iain9757]

But the issue people have is that she said no off the rack stuff. If she hadn’t said that and I was about how it made Jo look frumpy it would have been fine

[@AmaanStorm]

@@iain9757 it was probably a comment Ru made whilst getting caught up in her moment. I know I've said things which I didnt verbalise in the right manner before. Imagine being vilified for that lol.

[@Caroleeena]

The yellow and black polka dot bikini is a shout-out to the song, "Itsy bitsy teeny weeny yellow polka dot bikini" and the yellow legs are the actual color of a sea bird's legs. Yes, she could have had feathers but I think that sea bird look was super campy and worthy of praise. Not every look needs to be a super model look.

[@kaloveshoran]

very that. 👏🏽👏🏽

[@hismione634]

H&M ? Unacceptable. Fracking ? Approved.

[@slayforpay446]

So everyone is ignoring that Tia Ellie and sister sister essentially told Joe to wear the H&M dress? Like he said I have this pink short dress with puff sleeves but it's REALLY basic and they all said oh that's okay

[@SuZ4242]

Hmmm... kinda tacky, that. But, important to the narrative. I haven't seen the episode, but it should be in the review to get the full picture. 👍 Did they feel that threatened by Joe to set her up? 🤔

[@slayforpay446]

@@SuZ4242 nah at least I don't think so they all just say yeah we have a pinkish theme and Joe suggested it so it'd 50/50

[@SuZ4242]

@@slayforpay446 well, perhaps 70/30 'cause nobody said, "oh, no, too-too basic, luv." 🙄 If, this was a spoof on the Eurovision contest, though, it was kinda spot on from what I remember of those contestants, lol. Like her tiny town is saying,"there's good ol' Helga thinking she's all that and on telly, oooh, yeah." 😆😉

[@kells881]

Ru going off on Joe was valid. I know queens who will buy stuff from a thrift store & cut it up & redesign it to the point you’d never know what it was originally. You don’t have to spend a lot to jazz something up to make it look good. As a viewer you want to see something that makes you gag or at least makes you go ooh.

[@SuZ4242]

Well said. It is a DRAG competition and you have to come prepared, budget or no budget. I love the creative drag on a dime that can be more fun than the fancy arse haute designer stuff, dazzling though that may be. It still bothers me to see queens who cannot sew or even use a glue gun. Seriously. 🙄

[@ClearAsCrystal823]

@@SuZ4242 I still laugh at Shangela taking sewing lessons before All Stars 3, and coming out of them learning absolutely nothing.

[@alextirrellRI]

In one of the interviews, Joe said they sold most of their looks after getting eliminated the first time to help get by during the pandemic, and had to buy a lot of things back to go back to the show. I can see why H&M would be an affordable option but now clearly it can't be left as is.

[@JuanitoEsBonito]

I really don't see why it matters it was a performance challenge unless the outfit was something iconic I wouldn't have even paid attention to it

[@iain9757]

Especially because it’s pink.

[@OnceUponADonkey]

I saw on another review show that Crystal (UK) said that she thought that it was an unwritten rule that challenge outfits can be store-bought/less bedazzled, and that the runway is where the outfit matters most. You could win the week with a mediocre challenge and amazing runway, but never with a great challenge but so-so runway (see the current US season).

[@corrine1310]

I wish Ru had the same reaction towards Lalari's bag look. I still can't move on from how bad it was

[@MrBakersPops]

It's funny how Joe Black got read for off the rack, but Astina won a challenge with an off the rack ASOS jacket with no modifications 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@gingerkid1048]

Controversial opinion as a make up artist I hated Ellie Diamond’s look. It was badly blended and was a straight up furry nightmare. I think that the bikini bottoms showing the slip of white is what throws it all off. A contrasting colour bikini cut so it followed the curve of the white bodysuit. Maybe leaving the feathers framing the face instead of badly covering.

[@smidge2k]

i think the bikini was a reference to a song from the 90s by bombalurina and timmy mallet. an old cheesy uk pop song. that was the reference i got anyway. kzbin.info/www/bejne/an3EmKKvmMuXeaM

[@lauren_on_mainstreet]

Yeah the bikini is literally a reference to a 90s song “itsy bitsy teenie weenie yellow polka dot bikini” and if anything the legs should have matched the feet colour rather than changing the bikini which is an iconic 90s song in the UK

[@smidge2k]

@@lauren_on_mainstreet I think its possibly a bit of a more obscure reference if your not from the uk. Same with the seaside theme. a british trip to the seaside is very different to an american trip to the beach, and in that aspect i think seagulls are a bit of a stable for that, stealing food and the likes lol

[@kinjonohaha6763]

Omg is that Roger the Alien?!?! 🤩🤩🤩🛸🛸 Yaaassss!!! I'm an even bigger fan of y'all now. 💖

[@rei9817]

Omg yaaaas! Love Roger!

[@Thumtwiddler]

Favourites the same, Awhora and Joe Black, I think I'd go with Joe, just because it was so clever and the detail was great. For worst, yup Tia, love her but that was just like a fancy dress costume you'd wear if you were handing out flyers for a new ice cream stall or something.

[@ait8551]

I mean I bet US girls have worn off the shelf lewks. Just cause the UK girls had 7 months (or 3 weeks for joe being a returning queen) doesn't mean they have the funds. Plus the only one to really change their face was Sister Sister who did show she was one of the very lucky ones to have the money to afford rent during her time off. Also it was a challenge look. If she worn it down the runway as the "runway" yeah its bad. But she worn such an amazing look for her seaside look

[@Louminosus]

however... how can the judges totally disregard Joe's actual runway... ? Challenge outifts have always been a mix of basic ready to wear and customized stuff, and lots of past queens even wore cheaper looking stuff (either custom or off the rack) on the actual friggin runway. I understand what Ru actually meant, not really classist but of course an exhortation to improve and be resourceful, it's just... it felt out of place because Joe Black is already doing it, and they're REALLY GOOD at it, in fact they were standing there in the most imaginative and polished look, probably made with very little resources °:°

[@princessnatty]

The song is very Eurovision, (I had to look up the top hits but I do know the songs): Abbas Waterloo, Gina G ooh Aah just a little bit, Cliff Richards Congratulations, and many more ... it's very on par

[@Art_911]

Mornin! Meh on the whole Ru blowing up. These are stressful times, and while I wasn't 100% for Ru, it still was fine. Joe threw on a pink velour potato sack. Now if it came from Gucci or H&M it was still awful. And Ru just wasn't having it. Oh Come on LOL, Get over your Bird phobia LOL The Seagull was mostly done extremely well. The Grey and white fun fur wings were what cheapened it for me. And while Tayce looked beautiful as ever, the shell placement was really bad. Literally looks like a mini-challenge construction to me. The netting was beautiful though, but sweet Jebus! the placement and sizing on the shells were such a mangled mess for me. And poor Tia, she did soooo well last we saw her. But still, I'm glad she got to stay. Sad that she may have paid someone to make that for her. Sad that Joe got that returning Queen curse. But Wow that runway was steller!

[@Ms.Cellaneous]

Styling should be everything. Do not shame queens for buying retail pieces especially when so many do it(Astina, Joe, Mayhem, Trixie etc). I get the frustration Ru had; Joe admitted she's set in her aesthetic, and Tia is just stylistically clueless but oh so loveable... the UK's baby Shangy if you will. 😅 That being said the rant at Tia and Joe was completely classiest and detached from the financial reality a lot of these queens faced. When you can't even go into fabric or supply stores, while not working, and afford just living... check yourself Ru. She even pointed out her privilege by admitting she had a whole team she pays to make her look good. Go look at footage of Ru doing her own styling and makeup. She's a mess. Ru wants more, more, more but is not supporting these queens financially while everyone else on the show makes bank. Yes I see the show trying to give the girls more exposure and support through $5k tips, but the UK queens don't even get that. How is that acceptable? No artist should work for purely exposure, but ESPECIALLY during a pandemic. Glorifying the hustle or the debt incurred by drag that isn't seeing a financial return isn't cute. Stop this capitalist Stockholm syndrome nonsense. No one should have to go in debt to do their job. No 👏🏿 one 👏🏻.

[@rbj8387]

BBC doesn't allow sponsorships so prizes aren't really an option. That's on BBC not RPDR. And the contestants went in knowing there was no monetary gain involved, they weren't caught off guard by that. And the queens do get paid for their time on the show, just not given prizes when they win challenges or lip syncs. If I recall correctly it was like $250 per episode (but this was from a S3 queen interview, Venus D Lite I believe, so I don't know how much that's changed if at all).

[@Ms.Cellaneous]

@@rbj8387 I get that the BBC does that, but still people get paid at the BBC. I would like to know more if they are getting paid as I've never heard this information previously. Regardless it's still exploitation whether it's consensual or not. RPDR staff are earning a liveable wage(I assume) the audacity of Ru to go in on those girls in the current climate is gross.

[@Von2KC519]

Being from St. Louis and watching the drag scene, I can totally agree with you about doing drag for a living there. LA & NYC girls have the same problems even though they have easier access to fabrics & designers & etc. Income is still a factor for many girls whether they’re seamstresses or not. The pandemic set a LOT of girls back since they couldn’t perform which helped them generate income. Drag is VERY expensive but if one can budget for the expenses it can be worth it.

[@DeadInDenton]

It's a styling thing for sure-you can wear off-the-rack pieces and elevate them. Personally, I wish all the girls in Joe's team had leaned into her older aesthetic! Eurovision is often dominated by kooky groups (e.g. the Russian grannies who baked cookies and sang about partying) vs. regular girl groups, so it would have been great to see that side of Eurovision represented.

[@michaelpatrick7381]

Sister sister had an office job to go back to that paid for her new face so I think you can't draw a comparison there .

[@Thumtwiddler]

I just don't get how they all got surgery when it was pretty much total lockdown and only essential travel and buying food......getting your teeth done ain't essential!

[@alexcarlson4344]

@@Thumtwiddler they had filler not surgery. Sister didn't have her teeth done, she bought a flipper online, basically a gum shield w teeth on it that u wear over ur natural teeth. Also lockdown was eased over summer and early autumn in the UK. Salons etc where open which answers ur question of how they were able to go get pumped.

[@Thumtwiddler]

@@alexcarlson4344 Ah right, fair enough.

[@gavinbrown8153]

I would be surprised if Lawerence, Tayce, Bimini, and A’whora aren’t top 4, so hopefully they get a song with a better chorus for their top 4 challenge

[@evilmejosh]

I don't know exactly agree how the message Ru delivered it. But I do agree that if you're going to do drag for a show, I don't expect an off the rack look. It could be an h&m dress or skirt, but you should have the talent to modify it in some way that I wouldn't be able to recognize it as being an off the rack dress. Now if you're going to like a cocktail party or something simple, you may want to blend in and not be overly flamboyant, which I would understand wearing an off the rack dress without any modifications or light modifications to be more form fitting. It's more assess the situation, if you're on the main stage of RuPaul's drag race it's not going to be enough. If you're mingling at a cocktail party or a meet and greet, then I would think it would be fine. My personal feelings on going to a drag show is I go there to be entertained I want to see an over the top costume, I want to see a funny performance, I want to see some reading or roasting of a crowd.

[@burntvalentine9919]

Joe didn't help themselves by replying after the Primark reply.... But it was a challenge outfit. We've seen MUCH worse worn in challenges - she didn't wear it on the runway, and her runway look was one of the best of the week. That's why I believe it was an unnecessary rant. Lockdown/having the 7 months to improve shouldn't even factor into it.

[@burntvalentine9919]

Don't get me wrong... Joe was going to be in the bottom two regardless, she wasn't treated unfairly beyond that rant on her challenge outfit... Like - You could probably find Tia's outfit that she wore on the runway if you googled a soft serve costume... wasn't ranted about. We've not long had someone win a challenge wearing a straight up ASOS jacket that wasn't dragged up.... wasn't ranted about. So the rant this week was unnecessary and unfair to Joe in particular. Also the expectation that the queens are going to come back after 7 months of being out of work and in lockdown having some massive glow up is ridiculous.

[@AngryCandy89]

I just want to add that Joe had just 2-3 weeks to prepare, since they had already been eliminated

[@franckroyer8319]

I loved this épisode....and ru's réaction was everything !i was entertainted,a lot!!!!i laughed a lot!!!!😍😍😍😍😍

[@KEVINF0X]

Top 10 angriest Ru moments incoming? xD

[@brycedavis6718]

Joe Black should have said Old Navy then Ru's response would have been cut, due to his partnership. I think this also speaks to the rumored drama between Ginny and RU.

[@ChelseyBunz]

"If it was executed in literally any other way..." 🤣 19:00

[@mismismism]

I would be on Ru's side in the sense of expecting competitors to customize and elevate things they bought to be something unique to them, but Ru clearly has no issues with girls coming out in outfits from famous designers with hair they didn't make. I'm just saying, Symone and Kahmora were both very praised for their runways and Kahmora was just wearing Bob Mackey almost exclusively and Symone doesn't even know how to sew, but they rave over her looks so it's just classism. The girls with money and connections can win wearing crazy expensive garments they had no hand in making and for some, didn't even have to pay for, so some of the regular queens can't compete even if really, they put in more actual work because they can't make something better than a team of toptier designers and wig makers. Just saying, I wish they valued people who made their own outfits more than the people that just have the team to make them look good. THAT is the unfair advantage(remember that tired excuse to exclude trans queens?).

[@AngryCandy89]

This has made me wonder if the Queens that Will make It to the top would be the ones that didn't suffer financialy during the pandemic.

[@mismismism]

@@AngryCandy89 Honestly, if it's meant to be fair and find the drag queen with the most skills, then really, they should have to make all their stuff. Otherwise the look queens with connections and/or money, have the biggest unfair advantage. The dancers, comedians, actors, etc, can't rely on anyone else's work to carry them but if you can get your hands on outfits and wigs from famous designers, they'll eat it up even if you just have a basic face and just model it. It's really not fair when you think of it. Like I think Symone is great but the runways are getting her too much credit when we know she doesn't even know how to sew, meanwhile queens like Tamisha, Joey and Utica get critiqued harshely on their looks even though they really deserve more credit for them since they actually made them. How do you crown someone for looks they had no hand in over people that actually have sewing skills? The show is losing the point of a competition to me.

[@victorservin7372]

Back in the day, in Mexico we had a show named "la carabina de ambrosio" and there appeared a character named "la pájara Peggy" and Ellie Diamond's look reminds me of that... It is terryfing!

[@miriammontenbruck8022]

You should watch the yearbook interview with Joe Black and Victoria on the PopBuzz youtube channel ....Joe Black only found out 3 weeks before they resumed filming that he might have a chance to come back. By that time he had sold all of his costumes he made for Drag Race to get money to live on. He tried to buy them back ...so he did clearly not have 7 months to prepare a return. However, his kind of drag does not emphasize looks and pop band style, so it was not his thing to do a pop song and there he wasn't able to give it all, obviously, The runwaylook was on point for British seaside, of course it reminded us of DR Holland, but it had good quotes of typical British things that happen at the seaside.

[@Alyshakulta]

It’s a parody of the normal Eurovision rants and it’s very good as such. You need to know the Eurovision context in order to get it. Go UK Hun! Sing sang song!

[@melpomenathemuse]

People who were offended by RuPaul's critique about H&M deserve famous Heidi's quote from Untucked. RuPaul clearly said if you bring H&M dress to competition, be sure you've stoned it. So it's not about how cheap dress is, but about lack of imagination and effort.

[@iain9757]

It wasn’t H&M She said off the rack

[@tfe1788]

Amazing runway 1) A’Whora 10/10 2) Joe Black 10/10 3) Bimini Bon Boulash 10/10 4) Lawrence Chaney 9/10 5) Tayce 8/10 6) Elli Diamond 6/10 7) Sister Sister 5/10 8) Tia Kofi 2/10

[@mckenziemalone8044]

this episode really showed the cultural differences between us and uk for me from the song to the outfits it was all very British and I think it just didn't translate well to Ru and the American audiences, it makes me wish they had different judges who understand the references more than Ru and Michelle do.

[@mckenziemalone8044]

oh and about the money thing I think it's touched on really well in the quarantine episode, sister had a new face because she was lucky enough to have a steady desk job to make her money, most of the other queens were barely surviving so it's not shocking they all didn't have new things

[@iain9757]

This so much especially Ru saying that it’s not some bar. EXCUSE ME but That’s UK DRAG

[@oliverelijahgail]

is there a video for the monster mashup runway? i’m rewatching uk season 2 and want to go back and watch y’alls old videos :)

[@dee_dee_dior]

Asstina was in character and showing you how the girls from East London dress and for the girl group challenge you are emulating someone from a girl group who are normally dressed in glamourous attire! Which Joe Black was not

[@iain9757]

But Ru said nothing off the rack so that’s why people had issue

[@dee_dee_dior]

@@iain9757 it was for a character and me being from urban New York i knew that girl who Asstina was in her East London portrayal and maybe people may not get it but I did it'skinda hard for some to understand

[@migoym6079]

Break Up Bye Bye is the best song that came out of drag race. peiodt.

[@hey_loranda]

you guys are forgetting that UK queens don't get any cash for challenge wins or for winning the show. Money will always be a problem there

[@iain9757]

Also was it only Sister Sister,Ahora & Ellie the only ones which actual jobs ?

[@xaxasluv]

i haven't gotten to the runway section of this video yet but for me personally i think my favourites were bimini, joe and tayce's looks, and my least favourites were probably tia and lawrence's 🏃‍♀️🏃‍♀️

[@charies8520]

@meramangle I know you've stated that you're "not ready" for drag race, but if i got on, it wouldn't be to win my first season... the winners seem to "fall off". 🤔 most of the famous queens from this show never won, but they won the crowd. I'd just be there for the platform. You can do this c:

[@elysowers5033]

I thought Tia was a Latte. I thought she was playing on her name until they said ice cream.

[@kazgee2324]

I wonder how long H & M will continue to sell t shirts with Ru's face on them after those comments!

[@handsoaphandsoap]

It’s insane to me that this is even a discussion, like Yvie won the damn show and most of her looks were pulled together out of basically garbage. Valentina literally walked the runway with two black cardboard squares glued to her and it was fierce. It’s not an issue of budget. It doesn’t matter how much money you have, you can create an iconic moment with literally nothing to your name, and these girls had money that they chose to spend in H&M. Ru is wrong on so many things but she is right in this case.

[@Vaardi]

RuPaul"s Drag Race is THE pinnacle of Drag. Whether from the US or UK, or Canada, Holland or Down Under. There is an expectation that Ru Girls are the best of the best. You don't have to have a lot of money...you just need to be able to turn a look. The outburst was valid...and an iconic moment. Mama Ru wasn't just talking to our UK queens...it is a warning to all future participants.

[@adamtravis9380]

Astina also didn’t go “oh yeah this is from asos” to the judges lol

[@juliedawson8027]

But Joe wasn't the first queen to try and joke with the judges during a negative critique. It happens all the time and normally the judges laugh along.

[@misslimeperu5674]

Fav looks: Bimini, Awhora and J&B Least fav: Tia kofi and ellie diamond

[@pynpoowynn8785]

Also astinas jacket was a collab with the amazing designer Christian Cowen so there’s a bit of an elevation

[@chrismoloko]

I loved Sister Sister’s vocals overall the best. I like Awhora next. I suppose it was thanks to MMEK perhaps but it came off so good. Tayce was ace. Bimini sounds like Damon A of Gorillaz to me I love them. I have been listening to these dang tunes nonstop since Thursday somebody help me.

[@jarggleflargglesmith2328]

I didn’t like it at first but Idk the more I look at it I love Ellie’s look. It really was one of my tops (my #1 was prolly Joe Black). Like the judges said, it was a bold move and I thought it was really clever. She still had heels and makeup so it was definitely a dragged up version of a seagull.

[@thomaskelliher]

If you've never seen Eurovision, this whole episode won't make sense. Eurovision is the Olympics of musical contests. Also, it's ICONIC and 🌈 AF.

[@marshallmann]

I think what really pushed the ding dong song was the lyrics. Yea it’s crap ultra pop but most people love pop music. Not my tea but the lyrics are 🔥

[@Magenta4ever]

Astina's outfit was also meant to represent her home. So an outfit that looked like it could be purchased off the rack is more in line with the challenge than the outfit of someone who's supposed to be a famous pop star on a reality tv song competition.

[@kahlia9009]

I think I would agree with Ru when we’re not in a pandemic yknow what I mean? Some girls on the show had enough money to get cosmetic surgery on their break, and other girls had to sell their looks to pay their bills. I wasn’t mad about what Ru said at all bc she was right in that if you do wear something off the rack you can still do something with it to elevate it, I just think that some lenience should be shown considering we’re in the middle of a historical public health and economic disaster

[@Tony98976]

I think the people who are mad at the H&M are the same that were mad at Michelle *"you don't need money"* to Chichi. I think like Mera said, she could just change it a little bit so it's not just a dress you bought and that's it

[@Butterball2829]

its quite funny how even though we speak english but the cultural differences that americans may not get from the uk season (is. eurovision, song references)

[@chuckmissildine2894]

I'm just wondering why was it okay for Sharon Needles to wear a beer mug costume that was Tacky Tacky Tacky in the final episode of Season 4. Not only did RuPaul not say something but she gave Sharon the crown. Yet Tia Kofi got read...WTF?

[@Burningdaylighter]

Stop defending Asstina and that ASOS jacket. It was not “styled” it was thrown on and she hit the runway. Don’t be making excuses for the hypocrisy. Stop shading Joe for her purchase and then not applying it to Asstinas purchase. They hypocrisy needs to end.

[@rbj8387]

But Astina was representing her hometown look, Joe was supposed to be giving girl group member. Had Joe tailed the whole look better to the challenge the dress wouldn't have been an issue, but the wig, makeup, gloves, and such aged her so it looked like a girl group trio invited their grandma to come on stage with them. With drag it's not just about the outfit alone it's also about the character/persona/illusion you're trying to give. Astina came out in an off the rack look but that was the kind of look she was going for; a girl from london. Joe was supposed to look like a girl group member and came out in her Nora Desmond drag and thought the dress would do all the work for her and it wasn't up to the task.

[@Burningdaylighter]

@@rbj8387 The theme was queen of your hometown NOT dress like the people in your hometown. Literally no one besides sister sister dressed like the people that lived there. The theme was NOT dress like the pedestrians. Also everyone who brought a look was showing what they were going for. But that doesn’t change the fact that Rupaul said she doesn’t want to see shit off the rack. That should go for anyone. No exceptions. Unless the runway was “everyday girl” which would never be a runway theme. Let’s stop trying to reach for excuses and justify why one is better than the other. Rupaul said she doesn’t want to see anything everyday people get. And to make it special. I’m tired of people trying to make excuses for Asstina. She shouldn’t have won that challenge according to Rupauls own words. Rupaul and some of the fandom need to stop being hypocrites. I do not like how Joe is being dragged for wearing a H&M dress on a freaking CHALLENGE while Asstina WON in an ASOS jacket on the RUNWAY. I’m sure the shorts and boots were from ASOS too so it’s like WTF. How you gonna rip Joe a new one for the fact that it was store bought when she JUST made an ASOS get up a win. She needs to follow her logic always.

[@rbj8387]

@@Burningdaylighter OK she didn't JUST give Astina the win she gave it to her months prior. And the fact is Astina looked better in her week one than Joe did this past week. And Joe has been getting a lot of support and Ru has gotten a lot of flack for that outburst. People are going to see both sides. And Astina was getting grief for winning week one back then and Ru got it for giving it to her. The bottom line is Joe came out in a bad look and got called out for it. Rub was upset Joe looked bad and then went off when she found out it was just an off the rack look she did nothing with. And Astina paired hers with hair and makeup that worked for the look. I get pedestrian should not be a look a queen goes for but at least she achieved it, Joe again looked out of sorts. I get you thought Astina looked bad too, but people are allowed to like Astina's look better and there allowed to agree with Ru. You're allowed to disagree but coming screaming "It's not fair" isn't winning anyone over. It has always been Ru's decision and it has always been about what queens/looks is she feeling/getting or not. She liked Astina's look and hated Joe's. You can disagree but if you really have that much of a problem with it stop watching.

[@Burningdaylighter]

@@rbj8387 So what if it was months due to lockdown. I’m talking about the competition itself. And once again it doesn’t matter if you think one looked better than the other. One was a CHALLENGE look which has literally NEVER been a determining factor or real criticism in drag race history. And the other was a RUNWAY look. You can say all you want she wore braids and what not that still doesn’t change the fact that she wore an unaltered ASOS JACKET on the fucking runway. Cant say ohh that’s the “look she was going for” EVERYONE ON DRAG RACE CAME IN WITH A LOOK THEY WERE GOING FOR. By that logic no one should be receiving criticism because that’s the vision they had for themselves. The real bottom line is Rupaul said she doesn’t want to see shit everyday people do or can get. Which is EXACTLY what Asstina did. The hypocrisy is real. And Asstina shouldn’t have won that challenge. I’m not going to stop watching but I will call out the bullshit and the hypocrisy both Rupaul and the delusional fandom that wants to make exceptions and excuses. Dragging one contestant then praising another when they did the SAME THING. So best believe I’m calling it out. The logic is flawed and Rupaul looks dumb. I don’t watch drag race for what Rupaul has to say. There is many elements that makes the show exciting. But make no mistake if Rupaul makes statements like that she needs to follow them. Period.

[@morganlouise6320]

I think Joe is a great queen but can't but feel a bit annoyed...They got the chance to come back, bought a basic outfit that they knew they'd be read for. Sometimes can't help but feel how Astina or Cherry would have done (especially Astina). Was still a great episode!

[@CreatePeace612]

I don't really see the problem with Ru's comment. Even back in season 2 when drag was crafty and less expensive Tatianna was read to filth by the girls for looking like she took her outfits off the rack at Wet Seal. While I'll be the first to criticize the financial barrier that Drag Race has implemented, you do need to at least personalize your looks and make them fierce and DRAG.

[@newleif9739]

Queens dont get tipped in UK really. Some bars have started doing vouchers where you can buy like fake money notes to tip the girls. But i dont think it wouldn't been a problem if Joe didnt try be cute with the h&m comment. We've probably seen so many high street clothes on the runway. Also feel like British drag is US drag just like Dutch and Thai are different.

[@Lukuzz]

UK Hun hasn't actually got to number 4 in the UK charts. The official chart is not released until Friday and its only at number 25 in the midweek chart currently

[@justinkosmic9187]

Scarlett not having with 'UK Hun' is a big mood and I am here for it.

[@GerardoIPerezU]

For me, Ru was right to be mad at the dress thing. I don't think it can be compared to Tyra's outbreak moment with Tiffany. Two different situations. Tyra was just being butt hurt because a contestant didn't react as she wanted her... Ru was being very passionate about it... yeah it's true that not everyone had the chance to make money to upgrade their looks and all that, but Ru was talking about make to drag it up, make it fashionable and RuPaul's Drag Race worthy because it wasn't. Besides, Ru was very disappointed with them all for their shitty perfomance... About Uk, hun?, the song is that way because it's meant to be (a parody song) for Eurovision (RuRuvision) so it makes all the sense of the world the song is that cheesy. About the runway looks, our Sister, Sister did copied A'whora's look, the original is always better. Sister sister didn't have shape, it look cheapish... and quite meh in contrast with A'whora's who looked stunning. Tia... OMG I didn't get ice cream cone after they said it. Joe black looked amazing, and it quite accurate. I've lived in the UK and I've been to the piers and beaches and that's pretty much how it felt, the wind is wild at the seaside. Bimini, they killed it in during the song, they looked so stunning. Their runway look was so breathtaking. She's my top two with Lawrence.

[@martincurrie6243]

Jo Black only had 3 weeks notice that he might be going back on the show. Though still he must something at the back of his wardrobe.

[@j.j7380]

The loud people on Twitter are worse (I mean look at Trump). It’s usually a bunch of loud obnoxious people and they aren’t a good sample of what the public at large think.

[@elijamjar._.717]

What annoys me is the 4 way win, I feel it takes away from the best of the groups, I don’t feel Lawrence deserved the win that episode and I feel Bimini outshined all of them, and it just seems her win is discredited from it.

[@therecessionista6271]

Ellie's bird look looked like a mix of the Disco critter and the "cheap cheap fun fun" chicken from Dirt Cheap liquor store advertising

[@bamfnicholas]

I think “off the rack” is okay for mini challenges or quick drag but not the main stage.

[@kieranwillis395]

No he was right. At this point they should know so much better. Joe had a 2nd chance and for a girl group challenge the look is important... The wig on top of the crappy dress was the icing. All the others had a vintage style with big hair, and Joe? He let the team down massively.

[@AlexGarcia-xg8ew]

The worst part is joe didn’t even have the same time as the other girls. Joe was told she was allowed to come back 3 weeks before filming started so she had to spend that time running around buying her old clothes

[@darrenmcgown1939]

I think lockdown and covid may have been getting to Ru lol. I don't think it was harsh but when i watched it i was a bit like, oooo, Ru is pissed. He's not perfect there is no such thing as a perfect person but i feel he could have worded what he said a little better. I think he realized that though when he apologised later in the episode.

[@jordanr2162]

So an asos jacket is alright but not a H&M dress?

[@hugosavstrom4548]

I think it's silly to accuse queens of copying each other... All art is inspired by something, and copying it to a degree. And if she did copy her, what matters is who created is the best and served it the most

[@dx3cannons]

WIt a minute, has everyone forgotten that they should have had looks ready to go 7 months before they even went into lockdown? What was the plan prior to the ling break? Did they change the challenges up? I think people are just looking for a reason to go off on Ru.

[@kayink3275]

Ru didn't say buy a designer-made look. She said put some sparkles on what you can afford.

[@CrippledChaosClown]

I think Ru was being a hypocrite Astina won in an Asos jacket, but Joe got ripped a new one for wearing H&M and not even on the main runway.

[@millieboon]

Urrrrrr exactly some queens came back with with new faces but just cause some are better off doesn’t mean all do

[@korie4198]

Ru has some very basic merch with no sequins or stones available through H&M. Plus being verbally abusive to someone in that way is very unprofessional. She's trying to have a Trya moment but it's not cute. Plus many people have done this for preformance looks and won challenges. It was not for the runway challenge. It's hypocritical and unnecessary. The critique could have been delivered without crossing into that territory.

[@gregap8282]

That song totally fits with Eurovision. The thing about Eurovision is being campy af

[@iTeacupPanda]

Also I think the difference is, Joe's character is a lot older. It's not an era thing. And actually Dela's character Goth Kitty is a completely separate entity from the Bendelacreme character. Goth Kitty is originally inspired from a character Dela did BEFORE Dela existed. " Tina Angst " Jinkx's character also wears vintage clothes sometimes and she nods to the past but her character isn't encapsulated in a time period. So . . . no? Joe on the other hand his character is older and is in that time period. It's hard to put an 1890's - 1940's woman over 40 who is sinister and dark in a group of YOUNG preppy HAPPY EXCITED tarts. That character no matter how you tweak it will always stand out in a group like that in a " LOL who is that ? why is she there? That doesn't fit. " type of way.

[@juliedawson8027]

So much this! I wonder how Tayce would perform if, for example, there was a challenge that required an old Hollywood glamour look? THat's the problem with established queens on the programme, they often have such a strong aesthetic already that doesn't fit in with the bubblegum, pop culture style of Drag Race. I hope Joe got something positive from his experience because for me he is one of the biggest (not to mention most intelligent) stars ever to grace that stage.

[@iTeacupPanda]

@@juliedawson8027 I think Tayce could do an old Hollywood look ( 50's inspired is so easy to do after all. ), but not a Vaudeville look. There is no way Tayce or Tia or any of them could do a cabaret act really other than maybe Veronica. It's hard to mix Pop dance the house down, skimpy outfit wearing bimbo with . . . earlier 1900's cabaret whether it's performance or looks wise.