Did the Bible Get This Wrong?

#bible #inerrancy #Logic #presup #apologetics #revealedaologetics #eliayala

[@michaelsowerby8198]

The ignorant folks are wearing their mean hat, Eli. I also wonder if they have been trained in the art of actually considering a person's position, and the plausibility of that position, on that person's world view 🤔

[@timothyvenable3336]

Eli! Just wanted to say keep up this awesome work! I very recently found your channel and I absolutely love it! Subscribed after only a couple videos, when usually I am very hesitant to do so. I also can’t believe how many trolls you have in the comment section lol it’s sad but also great that they can hear reasonable logic and critical thinking skills, even if they just ignore it lol

[@dane947]

Here's the important bit 1:33 , give me moola hehe

[@mirandahotspring4019]

Genesis gets just about everything wrong! That's because it's a collection of old myths, not a historical account. The earth being there before the sun, plants growing before the sun was in the sky, the moon being a source of light, even the existence of days before the sun was 'created'. Adam being made from dust, Eve a craft project from a rib, (depending which version of the story you read), a global flood, etc. etc. Very little truth there at all! Oh, btw, there are dozens of contradictions in the bible. Get over it!

[@ryanrevland4333]

I like the explanation for rain. God puts a dome over the earth to hold back the space water 😂 Good guess but not quite.

[@calebwatkins1212]

Before you try to understand the Bible, you should get to know the God who gave it to us. Repent of your sins and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ, who came to earth and lived the only perfect life [the requirement for heaven], took on the wrath of His Father and died for the sins of His people, then rose again the third day defeating sin and death to provide the only way of salvation for eternal life. “but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭5‬:‭8‬ ‭ “No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭13‬:‭5‬ ‭ “and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand;repent and believe in the gospel.”” ‭‭Mark‬ ‭1‬:‭15‬ Also, I see you commenting quite often on videos that contain content you say you don’t believe in. Quite interesting-who are you trying to convince? You seem to be drawn to the Light, just like the moth you believe you’re related to. Keep coming back to hear the Truth.

[@mirandahotspring4019]

@@calebwatkins1212 Hilarious how idiots quote the bible to people who consider the bible to be a lot of ignorant nonsense!

[@calebwatkins1212]

@@mirandahotspring4019 “The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭2‬:‭14‬ ‭ It’s the only Truth you need to hear. Keep coming back.

[@mirandahotspring4019]

@@calebwatkins1212 The bible is a collection of iron age myths and legends as well as a collection of later Roman era stories. Most are anonymous, and contain errors, absurdities, contradictions, and outright lies. The tales and stories of ancient middle eastern goatherders who didn't know where the sun went at nighttime! So do you really think quoting from a book of bullshit is going to impress me? It's a joke. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@scottmatthews1039]

‘To shorten a long story’… 50 minutes later, no point…

[@timothyvenable3336]

Umm what haha the shortened story was about a childhood/early adulthood event and he talked about that for like 2 minutes then moved on haha

[@scottmatthews1039]

@@timothyvenable3336 Must have fallen asleep, during that 2 minutes, of a 50 minute video, ‘haha’…

[@timothyvenable3336]

@@scottmatthews1039 lol

[@jamescoolkid]

Eli. You are terribly dishonest and guilty of special pleading for what you want to be true. You have to go to an entirely different book of the Bible to get day to mean something other than 24 hours. Why don’t you just go 2 chapters prior, where you will insist a day means 24 hours.

[@notme5205]

The same God wrote all parts of the Bible so if you’re going to a different book and it has a different denotation than other chapters, that’s still relevant. You’re reply only makes sense if you think God took a day off when they wrote day in those books and wanted confusion

[@bengreen171]

@@notme5205 God deliberately confused people when the built the tower of Babel.

[@calebwatkins1212]

H3117, “yom”, is a masculine noun that includes the following meaning according to the Brown- Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon: 2. “day” (24 hour period) 1. as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1 That doesn’t mean the word day doesn’t have different meanings throughout scripture. Context matters. But in Hebrew, within the context of Genesis 1, day (yom) means a 24 hour period.

[@notme5205]

@@bengreen171 To stop the confusing idol worship in babel.

[@bengreen171]

@@notme5205 do you guys actually read your bible? It had nothing to do with idol worship. God did it explicitly to stop the people becoming like him - he did it because otherwise "nothing they propose to do will be impossible for them" (gen 11:6).

[@bengreen171]

normally I would suggest that apologists stick to their day job - but given you're a teacher, I don't think it's morally appropriate that you are in a position to influence kids who don't have a choice. You appeal to consistency - but here you are refusing to read the text consistently. The text clearly shows God saying that Adam and Eve will die upon eating the fruit. You have to ignore all parsimonious reading of the text, and import an interpretation not evidence within the text, in order to affirm your dogmatic assertion about the narrative of the Bible. You start with the incorrect premise that the Bible is univocal. Hundreds of years of textual examination have shown that the Bible is not univocal. Biblical scholars know this. I find it ironic that you appeal to humility - and yet somehow think you know better than these Biblical scholars. You don't read Hebrew - that much is obvious. Imagine a Korean who doesn't speak English trying to tell you that you're using English words wrongly. You appeal to consistency in interpretation within the Biblical worldview - but again, you're not consistent. We know that the Bible is written by many different people from many different cultural backgrounds and with many different intentions. Yet you ignore the fact that in the earliest authored books, God is just one of a pantheon - a God who battles other Gods and sometimes is defeated by them. It's you who's ignoring consistency. It's a logical fallacy to start with your conclusion - ie 'the Bible is true, inerrant and univocal', and cherry pick and misrepresent the data in order to make that conclusion seem true. It's called 'begging the question'. I'm surprised you don't seem to know this. Wait - you don't think the age of Adam is symbolic? You say you don't have any reason to think this is the case? This is another fallacy. It's circular reasoning. The age of Adam is true because the Bible is true, and the Bible is true because all the things in it are true. Except you don't think the Bible is true. You don't think when God says 'you will surely die' it means what it says. It's important to note here that the Hebrew repeats the word - so it kinda says 'you will die die'. This is a common aspect in ancient Hebrew and it serves to add emphasis and immediacy. 'You shall surely die' - 'Die die', then, is the Hebrew way of saying 'die now - definitely. Immediately. As a direct cause, and following now, not in 900 years. And it is actual death. Bodily death - not some metaphorical death'. But you wouldn't know that - because you don't read ancient Hebrew. It's absurd that you reject the very clear, plain reading of this phrase - whose literal reading is not refuted by any evidence - but blithely accept that Adam lived for hundreds of years, despite all evidence showing that this is not possible. Your epistemic standards are inconsistent. You appeal to symbology when it suits your dogmatic conclusion, and then reject it again, when it suits your dogmatic presupposition. You don't care about logic.

[@notme5205]

This entire reply can be rebuked easily by saying you are cherry picking information. You claiming that multiple people have written the book is correct semantically but your point about it is completely wrong and unfounded, especially when you say God is apart of a pantheon( LOL) and is defeated by other gods. Scripture never says God was defeated but he allowed tithe Israelites to lose without his protection. But alas I guarantee you can’t actually pick a verse that backs up your claims, your entire reply is a bunch of secular gnostic nonsense that REEKS of you being way too far up your own rear end. I mean even your example of the Korean teaching English comes off as arrogant and narcissistic. Again though not surprising at all considering I’ve replied to a lot of so called “free thinkers” and “truthers” that repeat the same drivel you typed out, honestly you should apologize for us all having the misfortune of having to read and endure your comment.

[@zandert33]

Do you think the person who first wrote the book of Genesis, whoever you believe it to be, was so confused on how to write a coherent narrative that they wrote the words "you shall surely die" and then a section later didn't have Adam die instantly because they forgot? Isn't it more likely that author was implying something else than instant death? Even if you believe that multiple people wrote the different parts, don't you believe that a single person compiling the information would have seen the inconsistency, and changed something to make it "align"? You seem to think whoever wrote Genesis 3 was an idiot who couldn't remember what he just wrote. Logically it would make more sense that there is something else implied than instant physical death.

[@bengreen171]

​@@zandert33 Genesis was constructed from two separate sources. if you read 1 and 2 you'll notice that there are two different creation stories that differ in some details. Later redactors and editors contrived to make one book from the two sources, and as we all know, editors are not perfect. They also had different attitudes towards the god concept - their's was a far more anthropocentric vision of the gods. So it's only later that God's dishonesty became an issue - and Christians have been trying to reconcile this ever since. So no. It's not more likely that the author didn't mean actual death. The only way to reach that conclusion is to import your modern worldview and your own monotheistic vision of God - a vision that did not exist 2000 years ago. We have multiple examples of Biblical authors doing a bad job of unifying the text - that doesn't mean they were stupid, it just means they didn't care about consistency because the scriptures were never compiled as one tome - inconsistencies only matter when they're all in your face at once, and sometimes not even then. My favourite is the example of Exodus 4:24. Clearly its a phrase imported from a different source - and it's basically incoherent.

[@darkeen42]

Just so you know apologetics are not required for things that are real and true

[@RevealedApologetics]

@@darkeen42 Respectfully, that’s the silliest thing I’ve read all day. There are things that are real and true that other people deny, and those who affirm that which is real and true offer arguments and evidence to support their view. The idea that because something is real or true, you don’t have defend or offer argument (which is what apologetics is) is just philosophically naive and quite silly 🤦‍♂️

[@darkeen42]

@@RevealedApologetics lol seriously apologetics was just explaining why it's okay to believe something that's clearly not true

[@darkeen42]

@@RevealedApologetics you don't think your Bibles wrong about everything okay what are the ten commandments?

[@timothyvenable3336]

I didn’t understand your post until I read your additional comments, and I think you’re gravely mistaken and confused

[@darkeen42]

@@timothyvenable3336 well then scholars at spent their life studying this art confused. The people that actually studied the history say very different things than the people trying to convince you the Bible is true. Let me guess you're also foolish enough to call up Fords advertising department and ask if they make good trucks and think you get an honest answer