Did The Ford Dealership Technician's Neglect Cause This 3.5L EcoBoost Engine to Fail?

In this video we tear down a 2nd Gen Ford 3.5L EcoBoost engine to determine the point of failure. ‪@ford‬ #fordf150 #f150 #automobile #automotive #fordvehicle #f150ecoboost #raptor
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[@SurfBandFan]

I switched from GM in 1985 to Ford. After 35+ years of Broncos, F150's, super duty's, escapes, edges and rangers, satisfactory no complaint sales and services, The service manager at my Chishire CT Ford dealership promised me a "real Ford tech" ( named Johnny) when I brought my 100k mi. escape 3.0 v6 for a motor reseal because of timing cover leaks. When I got the car home and took a look-see at what I paid $2300 for, I found the valve cover bolts were loose (hand Tight), the oil dipstick was sitting on the cowl, and the front engine mounting bolts lock washers werent even compressed. (Johnny and his torque wrench!) After they re-did the job TWICE they got the leaking oil and coolant down to a spott-drip of oil. Ford quality of both product and service has taken a bad turn. Time to switch from cars I always loved- Why? because great engineering and style has gone to hell. Seems like they are good at doing two things nowadays: oil changes and warranty motor change-outs

[@2nickles647]

😅😅...a real technician eh? Just right out of skool. Good thing I work on my own stuff. I cannot complain about it. If I screw up, I feel bad about it. I take pride in fixing my own family vehicle for years. God bless sir.

[@SurfBandFan]

@@2nickles647 a gray hair

[@ohger1]

Yeah, after 35+ years of history who wouldn't abandon ship with a single problem? I don't even own a Ford but I do 99% -100% of my own repairs, and if I didn't repair my own cars, I'd take it to a well respected independent like Brian here. And whatever you move to, realize that cars are far more needlessly complicated than they were 10 years ago and even late model Toyotas are blowing engines and having transmission failures. Whatever you get, make sure you buy a long warranty with it. Oh, and Cheshire Ford's labor rates are ridiculous. I had them price a 3.5 Edge water pump for my mother in law, it was $1500 more than she had it done for in Wolcott by a local independent (Fran's).

[@a.s.4914]

That's a mad Raptor! You're the best Ford Tech. Thanks for the video. 👍

[@ItsMeJbird]

Truck sounded like my cat outside trying to get in the front door.

[@vonJaerschky]

Damn I hate the internet! What I love is my 2018 F150 with the 3.5EB. But all the scary stuff you see on the internet makes you feel like you're riding a ticking time bomb. I've had my truck since new, and never had an issue. I'm meticulous on the oil changes, no more than 5,000 miles with a top quality synthetic oil. With the price of new trucks, I'm keeping this as long as I can. I'll keep doing the oil changes and taking care of it, and see how it goes. Love this channel.

[@danielrubio6675]

Maintenance/ oil changes is KEY with these engines. I also change the oil every 5k

[@jiggidyjam]

Well you know where to take it when it does crap the bed

[@a.s.4914]

I've owned a few different makes of cars and I think there is some luck involved. Keeping clean oil in her is the best defense but sometimes bad things happen. Anything mechanical can have a failure. Even Toyotas and Hondas can have a problem. I guess it's a numbers thing when too many of your engines are having the same problem, especially early in mileage. Synthetic oil every 5000 or once a year for low mileage retired folk like me. Hopefully we stay lucky! 🤘

[@jimmieb1773]

Oil changes every 4,500-5,000 miles on full synthetic. 3,500 max on synthetic blend. Those twin turbos are hard on oil life, lots of heat in those babies. Oh also put a catch can on it.

[@JasPlun]

Well what we see on the internet is a small % of failures in the grand scheme of things, but if your the one that gets that failure it really sucks. My last work truck was a Ram 2500 4x4 6.4l Hemi. I was always worried about cam/lifter failure happening which never came. It made it to 200k miles before biting the dust due to a new employee over heating it. I had just moved into my new 2024 Ram 2500 and heard it failed. In our work fleet only 2 had that problem and were from workers not well known for staying on top of maintenance. All you can do is stay on top of the maintenance and try not to abuse them too much. That being said I still research and like to go with brands with the least amount of failures. I have never been a one brand loyalist as I think that is silly. I just go with what I like and can afford at the time of purchase. I have to say I know Rams are not well known for being bullet proof, but they damn sure ride and handle very well and always even with the work trucks have a banging sound system. I believe our company will be switching to Ford or GM next fleet purchase because we are not sure how well the Hurricane inline six will hold up in the oil field.

[@christuttle3980]

Long live the V8😎

[@kenj.8897]

Cylinder count doesn't matter, quality does and Ford hasn't had it for 20 years

[@rf159a]

The oil looks like metallic paint!

[@on-site4094]

Knock knock who’s there uncle Rodney 😂

[@carlbruhn1772]

Very informative . Thanks for breaking it down.

[@knobbiesshreaded3137]

2018 50k. Full Syn every 3k. Phasers replaced a couple months ago. Into the shop today with a stuck caliper, smoking right rear brake. Fun times.

[@rf159a]

Ford: "Your engine will self-destruct in 50,000 miles." Ford must have taken lessons from "Mission Impossible".

[@jiggidyjam]

I was talking to a guy at taco hell the other day that had a 2014 f150 w/ 3.5 and he has 287k miles and he said he has had zero issues so far

[@mph5896]

Guess it all depends on what day it was built. I replaced a 2015 3.5 turbo last fall @ 87k due to a timing chain that broke and crashed the valves.

[@jiggidyjam]

@@mph5896 damn that sucks

[@tagle2818]

I guarantee he has turbo coolant lines leaking he just keeps typing it off.

[@nickl3872]

Wtf he is lucky lol

[@DapimpBDSD]

Its luck, i had to replace a MAF that went bad @24k miles.

[@markk3652]

This seems to me, a point of assembly problem. Something was out of spec, be it bearing or machining of hard components. The oil changes were evidenced upon engine disassembly, so that gets ruled out. A bad set of bearings, or improperly machined rotational parts looks to have played the part in the destruction.

[@jdwht2455]

Took my 46,000 mile '19 with 3.5EB in for cam phasers. Two complete tear downs and two sets of cam phasers and associated parts, and 13 days later got my truck back. Do I trust that truck now - got my fingers crossed but so far it has been faithful over the last 500 or so miles. The positives - a timely (due) oil, filter and coolant change - two times and one plus mpg gas mileage increase (so far). If it 'blows' my no charge receipt is ready to show that the engine has been opened twice

[@JasPlun]

Very expensive failure I feel for the guy that owns this truck! I had a bad experience with the local Toyota dealership for my wife's 2020 Camry SE that pretty much told me you can't trust dealerships. They over filled her engine by 3 qrts. On her way home car started stalling and blowing out smoke so the tech did not even check the oil level after filling it. She knows to check the oil after oil changes, but she did not that time. She learned why she should always check it after that. That dealer now requires them to show the customer the dipstick after every oil change. They did go through the car to make sure no damage was detected. You hear that type of thing happening at Wal-Marts, but a Toyota Dealer? Just goes to show the carelessness of people now days.

[@jimmieb1773]

Today's mechanics don't have the skills of the old school mechanics. If the computer doesn't tell them what's wrong they can't fix it and they don't care about details (correct oil level) . Just in and out and is it time to go home.

[@eggbert191]

Sounded like my washing machine on a spin cycle with a big towel in it

[@Akshark58]

I wonder if the line bore was off spec, from the factory?

[@Ryansroga-wm6pj]

Nice find thanks for sharing

[@stephenreiner1523]

Uhoh sounds like a main bearing gone.

[@oby-1607]

Looks like a bad crankshaft. Maybe dropped or heat core shift before assembly. I say this because of the two outer mains being in better shape than in the middle.

[@JohnSmith-qi9qs]

Why do the mains fail like that? Why do some fail and not the others?

[@name-ob6np]

Nice Milwaukee lights !! I appreciate all your videos. Very good information.

[@johnknox5692]

Climbing steep hills, oil starvation. Maybe the 2 center cap were switched at factory somehow.

[@tonyf2268]

Great video

[@christopherandersen5950]

but where is the broken piece of the connector holder.. was that the pieces in the pickup..

[@MrsSunshine75]

@chris That’s where I too thought the vid was heading to!

[@1976Datsun]

So the oil from the mains flows up to the camshaft control solenoids? You didn't really say. Would have been neat to see an oil flow path illustration. You didn't really answer the title question either. Oil change intervals too long? Or just an owner beating on his truck? Still a good video. Just leaves questions...

[@FordTechMakuloco]

I specified at least twice the direction the oil flows after the filter and I did mention 5, 6, 7k mile oil change intervals plus you can tell that just by looking at the engine.

[@1976Datsun]

@@FordTechMakuloco Thanks for replying. I'm familiar with the direction but as you know in some places the oil exits after it does its job, like for the rod bearings. Passes through the rod bearings and out the sides to the pan. What you're saying is that the oil passes through the mains then up to the VCT solenoids. Seems unusual.

[@paulmarczak1062]

@@1976Datsun the oil feeds are a one way trip to its consumers, it can’t flow through the mains and up to the heads. Comes through the main bearings, to rods and that’s it. Solenoids got it from the junk in the pan, likely through a filter bypass if there is one or the filters own bypass.

[@1976Datsun]

@@paulmarczak1062 Thanks, that's what I thought also (actually added another comment about it). So, unless there was bypassing the main bearing material could not make it up to the solenoids. Would be interesting to see what is in the filter.

[@JohnMurphy-dw6ml]

So what was the conclusion? What caused the crankshaft bearings to fail?

[@andysmith2155]

Oil consumption, probably ran low on oil causing damage.

[@calholli]

Maybe so..

[@FordTechMakuloco]

It was never that low which is how he found it was a problem is the first place.

[@jamesradcliffe4297]

Sounds like a main bearing

[@dewaynebevis5484]

I believe someone floated that truck at some point and time.

[@UQRXD]

For the metal to get past filter. I will guess the filter bypass opened at some point. I knew it was the main bearings from the sound right off. Rebuilt many engines in my time. Thanks for showing.

[@FordTechMakuloco]

No the metal was produced after the filter.

[@calholli]

@@FordTechMakuloco You mean the metal.. :)

[@UQRXD]

@@FordTechMakuloco I see thanks for reply.

[@chiefordnance]

5.4 and 3.5L Uugh 😢 any teardown on 3.0 or 2.7Ls? 😊

[@MsFireboy2]

So the block and Crank are Salvageable?

[@MrRockydee07]

Yes, great video, but this is off subject, Have a 2016 police interceptor utility has the 3.7 engine and still has the Ford Orange. coolant that Ford advised the change to the Yellow coolant becouse of the water aluminum water pump issues.

[@sambrown8224]

At 16:00, why is there no locking tab on those bearings? Without the tab, the bearing will spin under load.

[@user-sf9pq5ox7w]

EcoBoost? Run.

[@29auto30]

What really stinks he just paid for that timing job, and it only has 84,000 miles on it, now he has to pay for a engine... $10,000? SMH..

[@jimamizzi1]

So was it oil starvation? The pickup even tho it had crap in there still should have been ok..or should it? The engine seemed very clean inside so I’m guessing it had regular oil changes. Excellent video, thumbs 👍from me.

[@randysrestoration]

Looks to me a dealer dropped oil then started ran possible drove truck failed to add oil until realized. Then after too late added oil then let truck go.

[@thearrow5793]

Can you tell me what’s the main problem causing this issue….

[@kenj.8897]

UAW

[@cmennenger]

How far does the oil pump pickup screen sit above the oil pan? Could the broken casting have blocked the pickup screen causing oil starvation? I'm sure the pistons are short skirt type and lack of oil pressure would score pistons and damage rings. I feel the owners pain on that one.

[@allanrheaume5549]

Now I'm spooked, my truck is at 50k miles and I just had the phasers replaced 3 months ago. Wouldn't the oil filter pick up those shavings that we saw in the VCT solenoids before they can even get there?

[@FordTechMakuloco]

Yes, as explained so the metal we saw in the VCT solenoid screen was produced between the oil filter and the solenoids which is the end of the line.

[@calholli]

My 302 in my 95' F150 did this same thing.. but that was after 340k miles of pulling heavy tool trailers and welders for all of it's life. Seeing this at 80k miles is wild.. and still doesn't explain why it happened. Do you think this is from heavy shock loads or something maybe? Or is it from using the wrong oil or something? or is it simply Ford using bad materials or faulty parts/ bearings?? I don't understand what could cause this; other than simply running out of oil.

[@stagggerlee]

Hard driving? Raptor comes with a reputation. Showing off the horsepower is tempting...

[@1976Datsun]

Any chance the filter was clogged and the oil bypassed it?

[@Jussumguy-y7j]

The war against gas engines caused this. Try to keep up.

[@WhittyPics]

Disturbing to see an engine with this few of miles looking like this.

[@josematanzo5879]

What happe to built Ford built tough?

[@marksearcy9708]

Great video! You think the broken piece of aluminum from the sensor is what started the problem?🤔

[@FordTechMakuloco]

The only thing that I see for sure.

[@CedroCron]

Edit: Not that it applies to this engine problem, but I don't care what any Engineer says the 20 weight oils are not providing enough high temperature high sheet stability and not enough oil film to provide enough boundary layer lubrication to provide enough buffer in an engine encountering a problem like overheating or say a mechanical part failure or a weaker than normal oil pump not providing enough flow or issues with the timing system that causes the chain to flap slightly. Under ideal conditions it works fine but if everything isn't 100% these thinner oil films can create disasters. Especially where high heat or high fuel dilution is a concern like Turbos and/or direct injection.

[@FordTechMakuloco]

30 weight.

[@CedroCron]

@@FordTechMakuloco Thanks!

[@Duchydog]

In your opinion is the EB 2.7 first gen the best of the EB engines?

[@thelefthandedshooter381]

I just got the phaser rattle on my gen2 3.5 cohost in a 2018 Expedition 67000 miles. Do I need to rush to get the phaser replaced or do I live with it? I’m using Flood Start Mode to prime the oil and getting no rattle. I do all the oil changes at 5k or lower. I don’t have a Brian near by that I can absolutely trust to do it right the first time.

[@emarkers777]

why would this happen ?

[@elcochiii]

Ford should have put the coyote in everything , expedition, explorer, raptor , bronco , etc.

[@kenj.8897]

Would make the oil companies even more money lol

[@chadsanders3506]

Where is the broken sensor mount

[@FordTechMakuloco]

exactly, I think it was chewed up

[@peterromano1911]

​@@FordTechMakuloco How does it get chewed up if it has to go through the screen in the pickup?

[@andysmith2155]

Or it was put in the trash can near the tech that did the trimming job.​@@FordTechMakuloco

[@budshatto3683]

My two cents says the owner thought he had a hot rod because it was a Raptor!

[@FordTechMakuloco]

It should be able to handle the stock calibration.

[@JOHNROWE-cl9iq]

The question I would be asking is why? This is not normal for this engine. There has to be a cause🤔. Previous repair debris left behind to get picked up in the pump screen? 🤔

[@FordTechMakuloco]

It may have been floating around.

[@DS-ss7vl]

What caused that to happen? What could have the Dealer Tech done to it to cause this issue?

[@FordTechMakuloco]

Broken oil pump bracket floating in the oil pan.

[@andysmith2155]

I don't see that piece getting in the oiling system causing that. Engine was starved for oil, ran low due to consumption or pump failure.l​@@FordTechMakuloco

[@mackRseries]

Could it be these engines just can't last long. Logic says lots of power = reduced engine life.

[@adambennett2176]

Cool beans 🫘

[@richardcranium5839]

i will never own a turbocharged gasoline engine!!! the designs are insufficient for the pressures excerted on the parts. the two outer mains prove the point. wear on the inner surfaces and not the outer shows either block or crank flex. should be even wear across the entire surface.

[@dondiesel1100]

Never buy a ford again

[@michellatour150]

Frequent oil changes and we can speculate on material defects or assembly errors (IMO would have failed sooner) but we don't know how hard the owner was on it, things like insufficient warm-up before pushing it hard, towing etc.

[@OathKeeper1506]

Ford used to be among the best trucks and unfortunately they're now among the worst when it comes to reliability.

[@paulmarczak1062]

Would have to confirm if the oil filter was bypassing, that would allow the bearing material to pass through the pump and up into the solenoid screens.

[@FordTechMakuloco]

wait are you serious?

[@paulmarczak1062]

@@FordTechMakuloco yes the head gets oil from a separate feed. Oil coming into the crank goes to rods and mains only. So bearing material in the solenoid screens would have to come through pan, pump and filter.

[@JohnMurphy-dw6ml]

Ford and what’s left of the other so-called American manufacturers need to go back to mechanical systems! These manufacturers have gone way too far with the electronics and electronic control systems! Another issue is using way too much plastic, and instead of using gaskets using silicone to seal components! This will never happen because nobody gives a shit anymore in this country!

[@JohnMurphy-dw6ml]

Eco Bullshit!

[@kenj.8897]

I could make a lot of smart-ass comments about Ford , I wont I'll let the others do it .

[@TonicofSonic]

Not only do you have time to type that out but your brain told you to do it. Let that sink in.

[@jiggidyjam]

GM just recalled 820k Chevy trucks on one problem and over 400k for another. Seems like nobody is making good trucks anymore

[@tomgrams2333]

Tiny turbo boosted engines in big trucks!

[@kenj.8897]

@@TonicofSonic lol yeah I'm retired at 54 let that sink in . Lol