Did the Government Cover Up an Incident in Land Between the Lakes?

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[@kpturn42]

"Coroner" and "Medical Examiner" are definitely two separate professions throughout the US, especially in rural areas. My Forensic Anth professor in college once told me about a time she responded to a call about human remains in a rural county, and the coroner was also the local tow truck operator. Sometimes it's literally just "the guy who can move the body".

[@tdarkhorse4]

to tack on to this, the aidens might wanna look into john oliver's segment on coroners and medical examiners. you need NOTHING to be a coroner except to win an election. medical examiners typically need at least something to achieve that position, but even then the requirements are shockingly low.

[@betsyadams9670]

In our area the coroner is the local sheriff. They investigate and then contract with an actual pathologist for the autopsy. That seems to be common in small towns or counties.

[@SpiceCoyote]

Old school lore Lodge. Fantastic. I love learning about the missing persons cases, but this is the reason I got hooked on your channel. I don't care if its probably not true, it's a great story and you tell it so well. Thanks guys.

[@ericstevens8744]

I’ve seen them for myself !! These things are real and people have been killed by them

[@samuelprice2461]

@@ericstevens8744Lol

[@Andrew-x1q2x]

Yeah! I love Aidan's missing 411 and adjacent videos but this is my favorite video in a long time

[@cobbwebster]

I'm the same

[@dF_fallz]

@@ericstevens8744Stop lying.

[@r.shanethompson7933]

Hey guys, PLEASE look into what happened to Brenda Hamilton a retired school teacher in Beaufort (BO'Fort) NC back in 2012. She was killed by an animal attack. All that was ever released was "unknown canine DNA".

[@sandrameilunas8283]

Also young teen killed in Kentucky a few years ago by a large canine-like animal.

[@micheleshively8557]

Both totally creepy and sad! These things exist

[@benji4078]

Croatan national forest always gave me an uneasy feeling

[@gulf-foxtrot-yankee5600]

I remember that I can't believe you know the name and everything I remember hearing about that maybe we're trying to play it off they're like yeah she was killed viciously and violently by an unknown large canine or something and I never heard about the story again I always try to look out for it for years now.. glad to you know that wasn't just lost to time

[@r.shanethompson7933]

@@gulf-foxtrot-yankee5600 yeah I'd love to see these guys look into it and see if they could come up with something more than "unknown canine dna". I heard it said something about "mixed breed dog" but that's gotta be b.s. because they can give you breeds on DNA of mixed breed dogs. They kid in Kentucky was named Corey Godfrey (iirc) and was drug from his window and couple hundred yards up a steep and overgrown hillside behind the family home. All I ever found released on him was "canine DNA" and something about "pack of stray dogs living in an abandoned mine shaft". There was another one in Georgia where a Deputy found a car in the roadway with the door open around 0400 with engine running. Belonged to a nurse on her way to work and she was found torn apart in woods off roadway after short search. Again I think they stated "canine DNA " with no breed identified. They speculated that she struck a wild dog as it crossed the road and she got out to check on it subsequently being attacked and killed. I can hardly imagine any kind of stray dog I've ever seen doing that BEFORE getting hit by car much less after. Whatever is happening that's three people in three States dead and not a good answer for a one of them. I'd love to see that changed.

[@2Buildor2Break]

Havent watched the whole video, nor is what Im about to say necessarily about this particular story. But, anecdotal addition, "the lady at the gas station" (in a rural area) will ALWAYS be the best, or worst source of info, with absolutely no middle ground. IYKYK. The one we have, is incredible, she knows everything happening on our road.

[@-Ghostess]

Mine always knows my family's gossip before me and addresses me as "Oh! It's Becky's daughter! Here to western union your light bill Miss Becky's daughter?"

[@AJOlaks]

Nothing puts fear in me more then Dog Man and nothing puts joy in me like a new Lore Lodge video

[@doughoback5226]

Obviously you have not been in the vicinity of enraged mother-n-law.

[@treesmantrees]

Woof

[@joonbug3856]

Literally same, I had nightmares about werewolves as a kid so I chalk it up to that but I’ve always been an inherently skeptical person. I’m a pharmacy major and try to only harbor hard evidence in terms of believing in these things. But for this cryptid in particular, I’m genuinely terrified after hearing Martin Groves account, and that through me down the rabbit hole. I think 9/10 stories are shit, but that 1/10 genuinely leave me scratching my brain.

[@r.shanethompson7933]

@@joonbug3856 I'm a retired lawman myself as such I have a hard time with Mr.Groves story. I guarantee you he lost friends and faced ridicule for publicly telling that story, yet he did tell it. So, knowing that, would he really just make the whole thing up? Seems unlikely but would need to know him personally or see some comments from some or his former coworkers to know for sure.

[@herstoryanimated]

If it makes you feel any better. If it was a canine related animal, it would not likely leave 5 scratch marks, the dew claw is so far back on canines the only time it normally scratches you is if they wrap their front legs around you - at which point other toes aren't in contact.

[@leempo1]

Want to make a correction that Roger makes it very clear that he was NOT part of the family. He was just joining them for a camping trip. The Cryptid Studies Institute did a fantastic interview where Roger straight up recounts the entire story from beginning to end.

[@TheDecadenza]

I watched that whole thing and I am shocked by how much was changed in the story most people know and tell.

[@martin_the_dream]

I went back and the video is private now. Bed times stories mentioned Rodger's story too.

[@myrrhsolace5875]

Soo… if you’re a man and you, your wife and kids go camping, are you inclined to invite along a random young male of uncertain character to share your sleeping accommodations along with your wife and children? And if they already knew Roger somewhat, how do you account for the way nobody among their extended family, friends, classmates, coworkers seems to have missed them enough to file missing person reports, or hire a detective to find them, or contact the media?

[@yiyu7965]

Lived near LBL for almost a decade. Fished, hunted and hiked across the entire region countless times. Never encountered anything weird but the legends are out there and people talk about them all the time. About 3 years ago Cryptid Study Institute found the “survivor” of the beast of LBL attack. They did an Interview with him and it was several hours long. Unfortunately the video has been made private due to copyright issues. The survivors name is Roger, and I listen to the whole video when it first came out. To be honest, I think I believe that guy.

[@UAPReportingCenter]

Very believable. Why would these people straight up lie over something like this?

[@archangelministries2265]

I've actually spoken with Roger and know some of the guys from cryptid study institute. People have to be careful though. After Roger went public with that interview at least 2 other people claiming to be Roger have popped up and are doing everything they can to discredit the real one.

[@Nyctophora]

I heard it too, and he's very believable. I'm not sure I believe it. I don't like this contradiction, either!

[@robg2657]

I remember that interview. He said all the gory stories are greatly exaggerated and there never was a body in the tree. The only reason he survived is because he climbed up underneath the chassis of the trailer. He heard the whole attack. The females were found in the trailer, the males were killed outside. Tragically the father Blew his own son's head off in an attempt to shoot the creature. "Roger" was very matter of fact while telling his story and I was left with the impression he was telling the truth.

[@yiyu7965]

@@robg2657 Roger has to be a damn good liar otherwise he is telling the truth, or what he believes to be true. like I stated before, just listen to him makes me want to believe everything, and I assist police/agency interviews and interrogation as a part of my job. I am usually pretty good at finding lies.

[@Junkt123]

My entire family hails from Cadiz and Linton, and I grew up in a house a quarter mile from Lake Barkley. I’ve hunted, camped, fished and swam in LBL my whole life and there are so many creepy stories, legends and supposed first hand accounts of creatures, noises, UFOs and unexplained events that it boggles the mind.

[@The_Chronicles_of_Wonder]

I agree. I grew up in south central Kentucky in the 80's/90's and I remember all kinds of odd events down there. I also remember my 8th grade teacher going to LBL to vacation, that would have been 92, and I remember how all the teachers were making a big deal about her going there. There are several reasons why things are so bizarre down there. I mean, all the legends about the Circus train wrecks and exotic and extinct animals from the 1800's getting lose in the wild and hybrids walking around in the woods. The people who were displaced by all the land grabs to flood up them hills for power...there is a lot going on in the back woods dude.

[@6HauntedDays]

Well this legend didn't happen until that short story came out so....pretty fake.

[@archangelministries2265]

​@6HauntedDays cuz that somehow totally discounts every other siting and encounter anyone has ever had in the area.

[@engreem9281]

There's many legends and tales in my part of Tennessee (my papa has many stories of seeing wild men, angels and stuff in the sky). But none of them have any hard proof they happened. And even tho so many people have searched actively for this stuff nothing has been found. Nothing that can't be explained by something more probable or easy to explain atleast. Not saying this stuff *isnt* true, or people are lying. Just it can just about always be explained by something easy and simple. Usually our memories not being reliable and/or missightings

[@archangelministries2265]

@@engreem9281 depends on what it is they've encountered. Unfortunately with the supernatural most people will never encounter it or recognize it if they do. Given my past and what I was raised in and put through the supernatural has been constant in my life and I have seen, experienced and been a part of many things. Can I obtain proof? Sure. Unfortunately it wouldn't matter. Most people have their minds already made and no matter what evidence you show them they will refuse to believe it. The problem with western culture is that for the most part we have lost our sense and beliefs in the supernatural and it has created a culture of skeptics. But if you go to places like Africa, Romania or Haiti everyone knows about it and it's an everyday occurrence for them.

[@bbtiffid]

I'm behind the live stream, but I gotta say Jan writes like a No Sleep contributor.

[@blights5468]

@@bbtiffid because that’s what this story is

[@birdiexoxo]

Aaahh, no one ever talks about LBL and this area is usually forgotten! I grew up near LBL and went every summer as a kid to the lakes because we couldn’t afford to go anywhere else for vacations lol I’m late so I’ll have to watch back later. Can’t wait! Edit: Lyon County is pronounced lion! This is so interesting! There are a lot of interesting stories around there, but I hadn’t heard the full story of the beast. The Hopkinsville goblins are another of my favorites from the area!

[@aaronmiller7954]

Mom can we go to the lake this summer?. No! But we can go to the land between them. 😂

[@scooterbeggins]

I feel this. I used to live in Clarksville TN. And I also had family in Memphis that I used to go and see on a weekly basis. And I’d hit Highway 79 which is the backroads way to get to Memphis going through Paris Landing, LBL, Milan, Mckenzy, etc. all the way to Jackson TN then hitting the highway for that last little stretch. And I spent many many solo nights on that road through LBL and surrounding area. And ALWAYS had my senses hella elevated whenever in that area. This was circa 2001-2006. Just cruising those back roads jamming to Haystak, and just keeping my eyes open. Seen lots of wierd shaddows and definitely have heard some creepy sounds in that area.

[@birdiexoxo]

@@aaronmiller7954😂 it’s actually a really nice area! The fishing is good and it’s gorgeous out there. There is a nature station that is really cool and has some good wildlife education (and even has an observatory!). There is still an intact gravestone you can see peeking up above the water sometimes. Bodies were moved before it was flooded, but most other things were left. I used to go out fishing with my grandfather and he would point out the buildings on his fish finder

[@bethbivins2484]

I grew up in KY. & we stayed there for a wk on a school trip in middle school. There’s definitely a heavy feeling there, & you constantly feel like you’re being stalked by something. Especially at night, the entire feeling you get is dark & the noises that you hear are unlike any other or any that you can explain away.

[@-Ghostess]

My family are from Campbellsville, the farm lands outside Louisville, and Whitley City. I always felt uneasy playing in the woods ridges when visiting for thanksgiving. Just creepy feeling no matter what. Had the weird "everything goes quiet and dark" thing happen a few years back hiking in Dog Slaughter when near the cave just past the falls. Felt for sure my friends and I were being watched when hiking in Natural Arch.

[@AsmoGhoul]

I whole heartedly believe in the dogman.. never told this to even my family but once at camp koa in MI back in the early 2000's we had to set up camp more in the woods compared to the normal open spot we used to always try and get. This new spot was right at the end of the dirt road where the camp sight ended, it was dusk when I saw the huge wolf like man figure slowly walking by on the other side of the dirt road deeper in the woods.... I was so scared I didn't move as to not make noise as my family were either still at the bathrooms or doing whatever they were doing. How I know it wasn't any other animal as it had at one point went on two legs for a few seconds before it disappeared off in the distance. I kept my eyes there until my mom came and took me out of my scared thoughts lol the next morning was when we were leaving so I remember sitting on the picnic table as the adults packed up everything and I kept a watch on the trees just in case.

[@nizhoni3339]

i'm from AR and i've seen a dogman too. with two of my friends. we was outside a restaurant and it was dark. as clear as day though, it was a human dog person sitting straight up and looking at us. the worst thing about it was the human eyes and human shoulders. to this day, its the most terrifying thing any of us have ever seen.

[@tinaweatherley4468]

​@nizhoni3339 In what area of AR did you see it? I have never seen a dog man or Bigfoot yet. But I have had a very strong feeling of being watched at night in the last couple of years.

[@allenrusselljr]

@AsmoGhoul I 100% believe you. I saw one in South Western Pennsylvania near the West Virginia border.

[@cameronlang6858]

​@@nizhoni3339 E... Ed...Edward

[@AmonTheWitch]

Bears occasionally get up on two legs

[@missjanetrude]

Speaking of JFK, its 61 years ago today that he was assassinated in Dallas, Texas.

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Thank you for remembering President John Fitzgerald Kennedy on this day.

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Thank you for remembering and thereby honoring the late,great President John Fitzgerald Kennedy. RIP JFK

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Oh that crazy completely crazy it’s my dads birthday today

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@@Vinsonah_luvsShandie1989is your dad JFK?

[@Erik-j6r]

Thank you for listening to all of us, this is the stuff i came here for i appreciate you doing missing persons cases that you can have an affect on but i came here for monsters

[@SyntheticParanoia]

Land between the lakes. This name is both super descriptive and overwhelmingly vague at the same time. A temporary placeholder with permanently postponed change date.

[@nicholasadamson2103]

Sounds like something you read in a novel somewhere.

[@DneilB007]

Also, Professor of Folktales & Folklore is an actual academic job. I considered it for my postgraduate work, but I didn’t want to move to Newfoundland.

[@TheLoreLodge]

I think I know the exact program you’re talking about, and I know someone who did it haha

[@rachelstrahan2486]

👍

[@benvangweavenly]

As someone who lives down around this area, who has heard a story or two but never this one, well done! I certainly look forward to any follow up information you might come across from a potential interview with Roger. These woods have secrets, I have no doubts. But, it never fails to blow me away when I hear a new story! Great job, man!

[@b_sway]

Mattis, your investigative skills never fail to impress

[@joonbug3856]

Please look into Martin Groves story and get him on the show, Mattis! His story is locktight and he was law enforcement and an avid outdoorsman. He’s the one who opened me up to the possibility of this creature.

[@Sgtsqueaks2024]

From the area. All sorts of legends. Dogman, Volkswagen sized cat fish. Sharks. Even heard stories of vampires growing up. Go out there on the damn Benton side at night. You’ll see why the stories are told.

[@thatgoblin5739]

I believe the catfish size. They can grow up to 8' long and over 200lbs. The Blue Catfish in Bagnell Dam in Missouri have the same reputation of being the size of a Volkswagen. Some people even say noodlin' (catching a catfish with your bare hand by diving under the watet and shoving your hand into the fish's mouth then pulling it out of it's den) was outlawed in Missouri because people would get eaten by the fish when they tried that. It was actually just to stop people from destroying the catfish dens and killing off the species.

[@thezackast2752]

Volkswagen sized catfish is barely a legend, those things get MASSIVE

[@blights5468]

Every tva dam has a huge catfish story at its bottom

[@cainmathewson1857]

My mother was the county coroner for 8 years here in Floyd county, IN (-___- yeah it sucks). She never once had another coroner being called in from another a neighboring county. She said she wasnt aware of what circumstances would demand the presence of another county's coroner. Even when she was working on the Gibson case (he was a serial killer here in New Albany, IN; currently on IN's Death Row). That being said, she did have 3 deputy coroners who were supposed to fill in when she couldn't. Also, the smaller the county, the fewer the resources. It's possible, if this event did indeed occur as told, that they requested the presence of a neighboring county's coroner because they were at a complete and utter loss. That being said it would still be EXTREMELY unusual under any circumstances as county authorities are weird. They dont want other county's people getting involved when they can avoid it (which they will do like it's the f*cking plague). You would think they would just see each other as allies but not necessarily the case. Theyre mistrustful of one another.

[@cmcapps1963]

Is it an elected position in Indiana? It is in Georgia (all counties I'm familiar with, anyway). I wonder if that has something to do with it: things get political, literally.

[@TheLoreLodge]

I didn’t want to say for certain it never happens, as I’m not a coroner and wasn’t able to find any definitive sources, but the one thing I saw was mass casualty events.

[@cainmathewson1857]

Thank you for clarifying the difference between the roles of a coroner vs that of a medical examiner. My mother was the county coroner for Floyd county for 8 years. Shes a veterinarian AND a mortician AND a small plane pilot. Therefore has an immense amount of medical knowledge dealing with both people and animals but is not a physician. It was also an elected position (which it really shouldnt be but whatever). Medical examiners are always physicians (pathologists specifically) and are not elected.. But anyways, too many people get the two confused and its annoying.

[@dlpatrie8466]

Your mom sounds like a badass.

[@TheLegalShenanigans]

Fairly confident the closest thing to a monster encounter you’ll find in LBL is a random tweaker trying to find their fix. But the chance to eat at Patti’s is worth the trip alone.

[@Dont_Poke_The_Bear]

Agreed!! The porkchops are phenomenal!

[@BarkleyMoon]

@@Dont_Poke_The_Bear OMG! Wow! Those 2 inch Pork Chops are to die for!!! I’m less than 10 mins from Patti’s when I’m in Kuttawa at the lake house and always buy their seasoning.

[@Ali_OT7]

I haven't been to Patti's since my grandma who lived in the area passed away 20 years ago but I still dream about the flowerpot bread. And have nightmares about the guy in the bathtub in the restroom. That thing scared the shit out of me as a kid 😂.

[@BarkleyMoon]

I live in Owensboro Ky, and have a lake house 10 minutes from LBL. I also live 20 minutes from Spottsville KY which is the home of the Spottsville Monster where there was several sightings. I think they called it Dogman.

[@jennifercain-warren5370]

How excited was I when I see that ya'll are doing an episode from my area ? Best thing to happen this month🎉

[@DneilB007]

This is mostly a comment for Aidan II. By the way, I just wanted to acknowledge the great use of Star Trek-style lighting for these videos. It really does add to the overall aesthetic of the channel. Big thumbs up 👍

[@Tamara-fb4so]

Chiaroscuro. So artsy and on point.

[@KarikiNeroli]

Fair warning: If you don't mention how there was never any mention of a 'Beast Between the Lakes' until that one short story came out, I'll be thoroughly disappointed in you.

[@TheLoreLodge]

Have some faith in me

[@ashstr2021]

The BBL

[@OrcaRebuild]

@@ashstr2021Drizzy….I know you meant LBL but I couldn’t resist

[@Richard-j3z]

There wad but it wasn't a werewolf it was just bigfoot

[@jefferymccormick3380]

If you go throught the history of that region there has been stories of things there before the whites ever came

[@dieseldave2273]

I live like 20 miles from LBL and I've never heard this story. Lol. I've camped there 100s of times. I'm curious where this came from, because it isn't something that goes around locally. At least not largely. I've met thousands of people there over the years, and have lived here my entire life. I'm 42, and I've legitimately never heard this before.

[@remylebeau7258]

I live in the Tennessee side of lbl

[@dianegossum1825]

When I asked about these ridiculous stories. I was told it brings in the tourist. lol. Plus why people want to call the remnants of old homes, bunkers is just stupid

[@blights5468]

@@dieseldave2273 yeah I hate that it’s our “cryptid” its lame as hell

[@KarikiNeroli]

Jan's story is written like, well, a story. When you recount something you heard, you don't go into useless details. We don't need to know about Adam's 'azure eyes', Jan. As for Roger, I don't believe him because it's all very convenient. Because if you're attacked by some large beast, LEAVING THE LARGE METAL BOX YOU'RE IN TO HIDE UNDERNEATH IT is so far beyond a logical course of action as to be absurd... but the story was already told: The creature got into the trailer so for the new story to work, he had to NOT be in the trailer. I'm not saying they're lying, I'm saying I don't believe a damn word out of their mouth Lol

[@cmcapps1963]

I agree, especially about Jan's story. Very creepy pasta like.

[@AmandaLeigh1004]

In the immortal words of Josh Peck, "I ain't calling you a truther."

[@Ceber300]

@@cmcapps1963 Especially the "They didn't notice the body in the tree until blood dipped on them" part.

[@houseadams4841]

Course she’s 6’5” 240 and runs the 40 in 5 seconds flat…

[@theRedneckHipster_official]

Is her name Jacobi?

[@TrippyTheShroom]

Some may even call her BBL SASQUATCH?

[@thezackast2752]

Does she have good hands? The panthers could use a linebacker and she sounds like she fits the bill

[@kareneaton2575]

I wouldn't believe anything that Roger said. Contact Joedy Cooke or Nick Valiente of the North American Dogman Project (NADP) if you want to know why. You can also reach out to Hellbent Holler they have done boots on the ground in the LBL.

[@conniehogan6217]

I love your channel! The history behind the places/people is very interesting, so, thank you for including that. I only watch you guys and The Missing Enigma for these types of stories because I want the facts of such cases. You can't put new episodes out fast enough! I could watch hours of your channel, and, binged from episode 1 thru til the most recent! Sending much love from Alabama!!

[@micheleshively8557]

The missing enigma is a great channel ❤

[@TG-nd9rj]

Super interested in this episode, Land Between was always my family's favorite place to travel for camping trips. Never heard of this story before now. Can't say we ever had any experiences out there, but the view of the stars at the outdoor camp showers is AMAZING.

[@aaronjustice2566]

That's western kentucky, but at least in eastern Kentucky I've always heard haw we don't have mountain lions that we do have. Admittedly they probably are passing through and are super rare.

[@runes_7711]

interesting! can't wait to watch! KY's Land Between the Lakes area has always given my a mysterious feeling

[@weekendmom]

The LBL's creation was very similar to that of Lake Lanier in Georgia. Lake Lanier would make an excellent topic for a video.

[@pentegarn1]

Those bunkers sound like the "Vampire Hotel" used by Rod Ferrell and his vampire cult. But maybe the Land between the Lakes is just dotted with those concrete structures?

[@dylanmulvaney9912]

I think it's an abandoned outhouse or some maintenance access for gas or water or electricity

[@MakerInMotion]

Rod Ferrell tried to get his sentence overturned a few years ago and thankfully it was rejected.

[@pentegarn1]

@@MakerInMotion Yikes....yeah that's scary!!!

[@blights5468]

@@pentegarn1 yup, that one and hotel California on the north end get confused a lot. All of the ‘bunkers’ are basements and cellar of old foundations of homes that were left behind when the park was made.

[@Beeownedknees]

Thank you for consistently dropping such well made and well researched content. It’s truly a breath of fresh air. Everyone on the Lore Lodge team is a legend

[@Princess_Celestia_]

To be fair, my local game warden says there are no mountain lions in my county, utter bs. I got photos of their trackways in the dirt road outside my family's farm and have a photo of one inside an old storm cellar of the old homestead on the farm. Point is, local wildlife officials dont always know for sure what animals live in their area.

[@martinharris5017]

Your Game warden doesn't believe there are mountain lions in your county, so won't be looking for them, and these smart creatures can be very elusive. I think they are far more widespread than most experts claim.

[@bruderschweigen6889]

That just means it's unlikely to see one not that there's literally zero mountain kitties. Mountain lions roam most the country you're just more likely to see them in certain places.

[@MakerInMotion]

Yeah we've had mountain lion sightings in new england and officials always dismissed them but then a mountain lion was killed by a car in Connecticut. That's what it takes. A body. You can't say any area isn't part of their range because they can wander long distances. The one in Connecticut was traced back to the Dakotas by genealogy. That kitty was on an adventure.

[@Princess_Celestia_]

@martinharris5017 He doesn't look for anything. The guy has stated to my face that he doesn't know what all animals live in the county. The guy's a joke. Even when I showed him the photos he called me a liar. I think he just doesn't want to actually do his job.

[@cmcapps1963]

You asked. We spoke. You listened! Don't get me wrong, the missing persons stuff is fascinating and y'all do a great job with it, but I'm afraid I was one of the people tuning out most weeks after too much of it in a row. I can't get enough of your takes on cryptids and folklore, though. And would really like to see more film lore deep dives as well. One that dovetails with this story could be "The Howling" franchise, although finding a systematic set of werewolf rules out of that series is definitely not for the faint of heart...

[@tuniSinn]

Have to concur. Too many stations just hoover up Paulides work. Moderation please, Your other work like this is muchmore appreciated.

[@jenniferelizabeth9440]

My family vacationed on Kentucky Lake and Lake Barkley in our cabin cruiser in 1987. We docked at Green Turtle Bay. I’ve never heard this story before!

[@TheWhiteTrashPanda]

Folktale Professor

[@tinadixon8186]

I was going to suggest Professor Folktale!

[@BlackrockLobbyist]

I just wanna say aiden. Your ad transitions are legit the best on KZbin

[@poorboyyz]

People say cats. Bears n wolfs as the scariest predators in the woods. Well take it from a country boy. Its the hogs that u need worry about. Some get as big as a small bear. And their mean. And have no prob eating a person fully bones n all

[@lakesidesusan6745]

U got that right!!😵

[@brandonsizemore3619]

I don't remember where I read it, but I do remember reading about native Americans having some folklore from this area. Greeting from Eastern Kentucky!

[@TeganWelsch-Rainek]

You should check out the cattle mutilations in Colorado’s San Luis Valley-Christopher O’Brien wrote a great book about it! The area is super interesting and packed with weird stuff and history.

[@wintersking4290]

First reaction. I doubt this occurred. If it did, Jen's story sounds a lot like a cougar attack, especially the Body up in the tree part, they do that too keep other predators away from their kills. That and grey-brown fur give me major cougar vibes. The other Guy's story sounded really weird and unbelievable. It had details that don't make sense Like how the 911 operator would know to call a specific para military group.

[@r.shanethompson7933]

You give me a senior (ten years +) Dispatcher and she'll know who to call for ANYTHING! Particularly if she's a 3rd shift Dispatcher. And yes she will be a she.

[@keithshamradioworld2793]

I live about one and a half hours from LBL and have been there several times. I first heard of the beast of LBL a few years while watching a youtube video made by a father and son. i don't remember the name of the channel now but they got in touch with Roger and interviewed him on their channel. He said he was NOT a member of the family killed but was a friend of the son and was invited to go on the camping trip with them. The father of the youtube channel has passed away and I believe they decided after a while that they did not believe Roger's story. I am not saying that it's not true just that the youtube chanel no longer believed Roger was there. Also at the time in the 1980s LBL was managed by the TVA not the Forrest Service.

[@StephanieLondon]

I love the research gone into the cases and that you take the time to try and really find where the locations are

[@ronzeffir]

I'd just like to say that i was not expecting the Aidan to lift up Aiden bridal style at the end of the video but it was easily my fav bit of all

[@railitto]

This was so shocking to see. I've camped at LBL dozens of times, and the scariest thing that's ever happened was the year the fireworks at the independence day show were blown into the crowd by an incoming storm (that iirc spawned some tornados)

[@LKMNOP]

We used to go to that area all the time for vacations. And even just for the fun of it cuz it's beautiful. This is the first time I ever heard of that story. And we had good friends that live down there.

[@myeyesburn641]

Just wanted to stop by and say that this is one of favorite KZbin channels and that I always look forward to watch your videos!

[@MarcGlenwright]

The way you segued into the commercial was smoother than butter. 4:10

[@micheleshively8557]

There's a channel called Hellbent holler here, they've walked it all through LBL in the dark. Very interesting 😊

[@MarcGlenwright]

​@@micheleshively8557 it's one of my favourite channels 🖤🧡 I also love Small Town Monsters and Blondes & Boos.

[@windangel7720]

You are so awesome for doing this story! Thank you! I knew you would be able to get more information than I was able to. I couldn't find very much at all. So I am with you on the subject- maybe something actually happened. But what? I can't find anything about a family that disappeared or was killed while on vacation. So if this was real, the government did a perfect job of covering it up. Scary.😳 Another wonderful job, Professor Folk Tale. 🙃

[@8.bit_gun340]

I’ve been to this park as a child and I’ve grown up in Kentucky. Say what you want about the state but I find our nature to be so beautiful especially in autumn. This comment has no relation to the video other than I’m happy to see a channel that I’ve come to love finally cover the place I call home! So much love from Kentucky guys ❤

[@audibjornsson6107]

Super interesting info! Thank you and I'm now going fishing for your new podcast! Thanks fellas!

[@thehutch7728]

45:53 my brain heard “We also have huggies!” I thought it was sweet, if not a bit odd, but it turns out they have hoodies. 😅

[@troumer]

They can be both. How you choose to wear that hoodie is no one else's business.

[@roostershooter76]

I’ve hiked LBL extensively. Both solo and with friends, and always backcountry camp. I have literally never encountered anything that would lead me to believe there is anything “out there”. 😂

[@KurtG-nn2cz]

Amazing that those of us who actually spend time outdoors , whether LBL or Michigan , never see such things. Plenty of stories from folks who don't .

[@blights5468]

@@roostershooter76 yup

[@jayjones8129]

Have you ever heard Martin Groves account of a dogman encounter? If so, just curious about your thoughts on it?

[@r.shanethompson7933]

Being a former lawman myself have a hard time imagining Groves just making that story up. Most of us are very skeptical and cynical as all Hell. I know he's lost friends and been ridiculed for publicly coming out with such a tale, and yet he did, so.....

[@jayjones8129]

Agreed. I almost think some of these things even though people say they believe, may not be able too actually believe til u run into one urself

[@Jim-Mc]

Thumbs up let's get this looked at by LL

[@rebelsuiter9306]

His story is full of more holes than Swiss cheese. About half of it makes no sense & His description of the area & other small details point towards BS

[@blights5468]

@@jayjones8129 locals know he’s a bullshitter

[@endtimesninja1235]

Cryptid Studies Institute has a ton of info on the lbl. Martin Groves tells the most terrifying dogman / bigfoot encounter I've ever heard from the lbl.

[@blights5468]

Lived and grew up right by LBL backpacking and hanging out on the lakes my whole childhood looked up every scary folklore place from the vampire hotel to weirded places. There isn’t a dogma. I only heard about it after I left home in 2015 .

[@katmack4215]

I've heard,first,of this family of 4 being killed..I've heard of a loan hunter disappearing,later being found to have been dragged away from his tent,and partially eaten 😬 and,I've heard of a couple that was camping,being attacked,in front of a newly hired Park Ranger!! Lastly,as far as living witnesses..Martin Groves,and his hunting partner were attacked by creatures that certainly sound like the descriptions of this bipedal wolf-like beast!!

[@evanwagner9639]

I miss weird Bible and always loved history hut, so excited for new stuff coming. Big fan of the channel.

[@khaychi]

If people disappear into portals in the woods and mountains, i have no doubt this can happen to creatures from other dimensions aswell.

[@jonatesrides]

As someone who lives very close to Land Between the Lakes i love hearing different takes on the "monster"

[@KIJYOPSO]

A few notes: Federal land often has bunkers and similar structures for anything from ammo storage, to maintenance, to cold war preperations; many abandoned, destroyed or now repurposed for conservation work. The Forest Service has, essentially, a special operations unit. They're tactd out like a swat team, with I assume variations in uniform from location to location... I have details from a forestry proffesor of an encounter with them... the USPS does too and they know where you live. Last bit, MBAS and similar acts allow for local law, fire, and EMS to respond to federal land relieving jurisdiction to the next highest authority until the appropriate agency responds to take control: local -> county -> state -> federal

[@KIJYOPSO]

just to put out on my, internet doesn't lie "authority," I am a forestry major. Worked as a contractor for wildfires, and I am an avid hiker, backpacker, and tracker. All those hats required knowledge of what I stated in my first post.

[@chrishancock2584]

Another great episode ! For me , there is not a more terrifying cryptid than the dogman or a werewolf . I could not imagine seeing one of these things !

[@doubledanger10]

I've been to LBL more times than I can count, and I know people who have been more often than me. Despite being very rural, its a well traveled and well explored area. I feel that, with as much traffic as this area sees, even in the off seasons, we would have more reports of sightings and evidence if something truly did lurk out there.

[@TheEmperorsChampion964]

**werewolves maybe existing** **Me with a tomahawk, a gunstock war club and a Kentucky rifle** COWABUNGA IT IS!!!!!

[@Erik-j6r]

Don't forget your coon skin hat Mr boon, make sure to keep your powder dry and always keep a spare few flints 😂

[@Jim-Mc]

I have a feeling you may enjoy Daniel Boone's tale of encountering a "yahoo," if you don't already know it.🪓

[@thezackast2752]

​@@Jim-Mc Boone? Ain't yahoos Australian?

[@Jim-Mc]

@thezackast2752 It's from Gullivers Travels his favorite book and it's what he called a hairy giant that attacked his son and he claimed to have killed. Australian Bigfoot is Yowie.

[@Vet_Trucker19D]

The National Guard doesn’t have their own “Set” of Green Berets😂

[@platinumbacon]

This was a great episode, the legend is obviously essentially a No Sleep post as someone already stated but it was throughly enjoyable to ponder

[@Rayhdo]

Professor Folktale sounds like an awesome D&D NPC. I love the academic attentiveness that you do with these presentations.

[@lynxelmore5364]

I'm thrilled that you dropped this just in time for Wolfenoot! ❤

[@martinharris5017]

Jan's account sounds like a Creepypasta story. Far too heavily embellished and filled with irrelevant but picturesque and skillfully recounted prose. Certainly not the terrified retelling of a traumatized witness. It would be really great to hear Roger speak on your channel. I hope he responds to your callout.

[@Hyacin]

Folktale and professor both are intriguing!

[@vadenk4433]

I listened to the first interview Roger gave. He said it wasn't his family, it was some friends that he was camping with. If he's now claiming it was his family- I don't believe him. That's way too much change in his tale

[@ShireLeaf]

I LOVE THESE STORIES MAN! ❤

[@stupidsmart-phone6911]

The one thing that intrigues me is the motorbike story, you place the event on the north end. All others left this tale ambiguous and I was deducing it to be on the south end since that's were residential property borders LBL. However, most of the sightings and stories come from the north end. For the sake of argument lets suppose a dogman is real, would it swim the water to the other side or walk the bridge? I've been to LBL once ever, March 2023, spent 3 nights there. Spent 2 nights camped at Fords Bay boat ramp at the end of FD-347. At dusk I heard this howling noise briefly. Middle of the night I thought I was awakened by a light and voices, someone said "yeah he's in there" (I had set up a tent but slept in the SUV because of the expected freeze). My trail cam caught nothing, no new footprints or tracks, the light coat of dust on the car undisturbed. I thought maybe it had been someone on horseback because of the height of the light and I wasn't too far from the horse camp and this was part of the horse trail. But no hoof prints, even though the ground was soft. Next 2 nights, nothing. The 3rd and final night I moved to just north of Crocket Bay at the end of 204 on the shore. It rained all night (reason for moving I needed cell signal for a conference call and internet access to send emails). I want to spend more time there, but I live 500 miles away. I've been to so many woods and forests and wilderness, but LBL gives me the creeps, moreso than the alleged haunted woods in Germany. Moreso than the Ozarks. Moreso than grizzly country in Montana. Moreso than the other alleged dogman woods in Michigan.

[@woflmanjoe642]

I like both the folktale and the professor aspects, personally. Being from Tennessee, I''d heard whispers of the "beast"; but this was the first time I'd heard this story. You've got me wanting to do my own research, now. Hope you can convince "Roger" to come on your show.

[@lexinicole4317]

Oh so BEARS are far fetched but a werewolf isn’t??? 😂

[@blights5468]

@@lexinicole4317 no bears in LBL also no werewolves either weirder stuff though.

[@goldenshoggoth2143]

The scripts have been my favorite part of the patreon since you started it

[@alict59]

While I do not believe in the supernatural, aliens, or cryptids, I think that man is arrogant to believe that we've discovered every single type of animal on the whole earth.

[@Coyoteblues1999]

by that exact logic, you do believe in cryptids. I mean not necessarily specific cryptids, but the term in general, and most of the kinds, fall under “weird animal that is legitimately plausible just not backed by scientific discovery”. It’s not like every single cryptid is some massive cold blooded killer with poison that kills everything instantly😂

[@GrimDim]

I think it's just feral people or small tribes of them.

[@Luuskamuikkunen]

@@GrimDim In Amazon or PNG yes. But i don't think that's what's happening in North America.. Just my guess..

[@marckelly1984]

My sentiment exactly

[@lakesidesusan6745]

We didn't believe either. We have a ghost that lives with us! Bessie Beavers. Knew her before she died...know her better since death!. We love you Bessie!

[@Goobies_Ketamine]

I think that a bear being unbelievable but a wolf man being a completely reasonable answer is hilarious

[@randallsavage13]

Really glad you covered this case

[@Jalandarah]

"Roger" has done a couple interviews on other channels. In at least 1 of those interviews, he said he was a family friend. Not a family member. To me, it seems more like a self insert

[@garrettneukam2588]

Anytime I see something that includes “did the government-“ my immediate response is always “yeah, probably.” Excellent work as always guys. Great video and topic.

[@Andrew-x1q2x]

I'm familiar with the LBL but surprisingly not this particular story since it seems pretty prolific. I enjoyed this one! I always watch but this one is my favorite in a while! Good work dude, love yall

[@NormansIndex]

LBL MENTIONED. I used to have to take the ferry out there to bid on home improvement stuff for an old job. Service isn't stellar and one time the GPS wanted me to drive into the lake... Beautiful place though.

[@The50Americans]

The 20ga thing is a bit off. It’s not like other firearms. 20ga 16ga and 12ga are equally powerful all else being equal. The same size shot will have the same velocity. The trade off is less shot of the same size which equates to less recoil (the advantage). Slugs are a different conversation and not what was described. Moral of the story is, if a 12 ga will kill it, a 20ga will too. Neither works if you miss.

[@Jblaze024]

that makes sense. buddy of mine had a hand double barrel weapon that can fire either two ,210 shotgun shells or 44 Magnum. that was a fun little piece

[@The50Americans]

@ 3 barrels? If so that could be a drilling.. super rare and unique

[@ordoabchao1308]

Why in thr fuck does this story keep getting covered recently? No part of this shit is true. I live 5 minutes from LBL and go there almost everyday. Its all lies.

[@Dane-xv7go]

I would love more factual reviews of the LBL stuff, the stories are fascinating, but idk how I feel about them . Awesome episode

[@blights5468]

@@Dane-xv7go LBL vampire cult would go hard

[@myleisims]

My grandparents live in the lbl area and my grandmother has told me bits and pieces of these stories its great to hear them in full (its also weird to hear a youtuber talk abt local places)

[@wearegoingtomessthisup756]

Assuming an incident occurred - Could it also be that someone else found the situation while Roger was at the farmer's place so there were two groups reporting the same incident? Also, what level of professional courtesy exists when a group having professional jurisdiction takes over from a group that arrived first. Whoever was closest might not have had jurisdiction but was there to try to keep the situation from escalating. It could also be a situation similar to one explained in the tv series Sasquatch where someone talks about using a cryptid attack to cover illegal activity.

[@LongMuskrat]

Professor of folktale

[@OCarGuy]

​@TheLoreLodge. Roger was not related to the family, just friends with steven.

[@NUFAN1313]

This feels like old Lore Lodge and I love it.

[@tuniSinn]

I was waiting for you to tackle this story.

[@toddgrauman8408]

Gun guy POV here: there is not a terrible disparity of lethality between a 20ga and a 12ga, when firing shot. If a shotgun was loaded with bird shot, as would be common in a camp, a 12ga merely throws a moderately larger quantity of shot at roughly the same velocity. Anything beyond 20 feet is going to have a difficult time being lethal for either one. As Dick Cheney so aptly demonstrated. Great content as always.