Did The Heat Make A HUGE Mistake?

Did the Miami Heat make a HUGE mistake by not trading for Damian Lillard?
#heat #miamiheat #nba

[@lostnemesis]

Getting DeAndre ayton was a better thing for Portland but you could tell that Miami was getting very comfortable with the fact that they were the only one on the table.

[@LouBang718]

Scoot,Simons,Grant Sharpe and Ayton is not a bad core to rebuild.

[@TheNoidleshow]

what do you mean you could tell Miami was getting comfortable? cronin never even gave them a chance.

[@gregbors8364]

@@TheNoidleshowThat’s spin from Pat Riley trying to save face

[@TheNoidleshow]

@@gregbors8364 Dame's agent, Dame's cousin and the Chris Haynes article all corroborate this and they have zero reason to try and bail Pat Riley out.

[@Jambr380]

Portland was getting Ayton regardless. They just would have had to come up with a contract in place of Grayson Allen to get it done. Miami only needed to beat Jrue/1st/swaps package and they didn’t.

[@James58Rams]

Heats offer was Lowry or Duncan. Herro and 2 firsts. When the blazers said that doesn’t work the Miami media started talking shit. “And this is where reality must set in: Like it or not, Miami’s offer is the only offer on the table for Lillard.”

[@WhiteLotusOfLight]

Yup!

[@Todd-DaGod-Howard]

Y’all dumb af 🤣🤡🤣 imagine thinking Lowry or Herro have value

[@dietbeer52]

This scenario reminds me a lot of the Kevin Garnett to Boston trade as in he didn’t want to go to Boston but was traded to Boston anyway and is going to make them a lot better

[@gregbors8364]

Pat Riley: “Go find a better offer!” Joe Cronin: “OK. We just traded him to the Bucks.” Pat: “Whaaaaaaat??? 😳 Don’t you know who I am???”

[@stevenwetherbee7573]

Heat thinks assets that weren't good enough to land Lillard will somehow be good enough to land Embiid or Luca

[@pablodiaz1172]

Miami had the best offer

[@itsgl00my88]

@@pablodiaz1172 no they didn't.

[@afalseerra9517]

@@pablodiaz1172 there is no official offer listed so whatever info youre working with is false.

[@gdee3918]

@@itsgl00my88they objectively had the best offer. Milwaukee gave up 1 pick Jrue and Grayson Allen. Miami would have given up 3 Herro 1 young player and Caleb so they can send to Phoenix for Ayton. Portland are a poverty franchise so they chose to hurt themselves

[@justinmartin1831]

​@@pablodiaz1172maybe but they weren't going to trade Caleb Martin and Blazers didn't want Herro. Trying to get something out of a third team to take Herro was the challenge.

[@accordingtodrew7302]

Dame and his team should have handled the situation like Paul George did with OKC. Quietly ask for the trade directly to the executive and both teams can work out a deal behind the scenes. But with dame publicly saying Miami is where he wants to go it gave the heat this entitlement and made them stubborn to give more and made the blazers salty and didn’t want to give dame the satisfaction of giving into his demands like that. Also the blazers are letting other teams know you don’t have to give in to superstar demands so easily, be patient and exhaust every resource

[@theculling497]

If Dame did that we would have had to trade something more than Lowery's expiring. We are still getting Dame, he isn't playing in Milwaukee.

[@johnb56565]

@@theculling497that last sentence is maximum cope 😂 why tf would dame not play for Milwaukee? You think he would cry his way out of there????? He’s winning the chip WITH Milwaukee

[@theculling497]

@@johnb56565 he's winning a chip in Miami, not Milwaukee.

[@SoneDvvn]

I'm deaded 😂

[@jasonb97]

​@@theculling497A core of Giannis, Middleton, Lopez, Portis and Connaughton already won a championship... what have the Heat won since the post Wade era?

[@rileymcphee9429]

I'm excited for Ayton getting the opportunity to spread his wings on a young roster, I'm excited for what assets Portland will get for Holiday, and I'm excited for Dame getting a legitimate chance at several rings even if it isn't with Miami. I had very low confidence in Portland's ability to pull off a lucrative deal but I'd definitely consider this to be one for all parties involved.

[@Stuie299]

Now this is just speculation, but as an NBA fan the only thing from my perspective that Miami could have done was be more aggressive in finding a third team to send Herro to. I personally believe even if they offered their best package Portland just wasn't interested. IMO this trade doesn't get done if a team like Phoenix isn't willing to give up Ayton.

[@pfpchad2747]

Everyone was pressuring Portland to trade to Miami. All Miami had to do was make a great trade offer. Pat Riley wasn't even returning Portland's call. At the end of the day, Dame is a better fit in Milwaukee.

[@Thereaper5]

@@pfpchad2747they did Cronin made it his mission to not send dame where he wanted to go it’s really that simple

[@pfpchad2747]

@@Thereaper5 This is just a lot of cope from Miami Heat fans. Miami didn't have any assets worth trading for so Portland traded with Bucks to get Ayton.

[@Thereaper5]

@@pfpchad2747 showing how much u know suns said the ayton deal will be there no matter what team they traded with the suns wanted Lowry but again Cronin made it his mission to not send dame to Miami it’s not coping when I’m just giving out reported facts

[@Stuie299]

​@@Thereaper5 Where are you getting these "facts" from, because as a Suns fan I can assure you we most definitely did not want Lowry. Simply put Ayton being on the Suns was bad for the locker room. The Suns were trying to get a starting quality center and add bench depth. I assume you're talking about the Chris Haynes report? If so I wouldn't trust what he says regarding the Suns. Remember he's the one who claimed they were waving Chris Paul right before he ended up being traded for Beal. He must have unreliable sources for Suns info. Plus Nurkic was rumored to be a target the whole week leading up to the trade. Having Nurkic and Lowry on the roster doesn't make sense financially.

[@thuggwaffle8825]

Heat fans showed how entitled they are throughout this whole process I swear.. They genuinely thought they had him in the bag

[@95yazid]

nah bro it was pretty clear the moment Dame talked about wanting Miami only publicly that the Blazers refused it to him and it would be a pretty hard trade to make. Ppl who didn't see it just cannot read a room

[@thuggwaffle8825]

@@95yazid the Heats package was ridiculously bad especially considering Portlands roster.. It was disrespectful to offer what they did so of course Cronin is gonna move on that’s why you don’t lowball to that degree when negotiating

[@kyrakyle992]

MDJ had a great video breaking down what Miami’s “All-In” offer could’ve been, and Milwaukee’s was slightly better. Portland is a franchise that doesn’t tank completely; the Blazers are the Pacers of the Western Conference. Portland was never going to be interested in max number of draft picks. They wanted an actual player like Ayton. Ayton-no matter how you view him-is better than Herro and fits better with the Blazers’ roster.

[@iradgumbs886]

Portland can get ayton regardless so it would’ve been what Miami offered + ayton which is still somewhat better than what Milwaukee gave

[@johnb56565]

⁠@@iradgumbs886No. heats trade package was overvalued. Getting jrue to trade for picks is infinitely better then herro. Portland would have kept herro because he’s young and proven but they want scoot and shaedon to develop. If they trade herro it’s 1-2 frp, jrue is guaranteed 3 frp.

[@iradgumbs886]

@@johnb56565 Portland would have no obligation to keep herro since they have scoot and simons already so herro could be flipped and for possibly better picks

[@user-gn1se7ol4e]

You don't get any of this,@@johnb56565. The Heat would have gotten them Ayton anyway that was a lock no matter what. Miami already had two picks, were gonna get two more for Tyler, AND give you 2 of 3 of Jovic, Jacquez, Martin.....two of those guys might be better than Ayton next year. That's not better.

[@sunshinesooperman5110]

I think one thing that Miami is overestimating about itself is how close they are to a championship, as currently constructed. They need another star AND key pieces. Yes, they went on an improbable playoff run and made the Finals but they had to get through the play-in (and were one quarter from being eliminated) and despite being up 3-0 in the ECF and getting a 1-1 split in Denver, ultimately the Heat lost 7 of their final 9 games. The Heat need to (1) make moves to fill out their roster; as the Lakers and Suns have shown, there are guys out there who are available. (2) Be competitive enough to get the sixth seed or higher. I think they could’ve pulled the upset over Denver had they not played essentially two extra rounds in the play-in and been forced to a 6th & 7th game vs. Boston.

[@ColdHoops]

This could be a blessing in disguise. Only smart people knew Dame was never going Miami. That being said, Pat Riley needs to be relieved of his duties. I respect everything he's done for the Heat culture and may it live forever. But they need a GM

[@JimmySaul888]

We don’t know the exact details. Can’t believe you want to get rid of the Godfather after 3 runs in 4 years. I like Dame, but he is small, is old and isn’t great at D. This may be a blessing in disguise but only time will tell.

[@user-gn1se7ol4e]

Now that more has come out all you Riley haters starting to look like clowns. Try rooting for another team, Heat fans will trade you before Riley.

[@pinbarbecue1100]

Pat Riley is one of the best GM out there and look at his trace record from his Lakers days and now 😂😂😂. He is not going anywhere

[@zilverman7820]

Pat riley really cheaping out on their roster. Pat riley is is good in the past but now nah he's choices are not going to win championships.

[@user-gn1se7ol4e]

@@zilverman7820 No it's because Jimmy's boy Kyle never played up to his deal and Duncan Robinson immediately regressed after he got his money. Please just trade yourself to another team so Heat fans can keep Pat Riley. He's been a shot away from his team going to 3 of the last 4 finals.

[@ahmedmoulton3614]

Herro and Duncan have been in trade talks for a few seasons. They are used to it and will be professional.

[@TheOceanMan-xc7qp]

The Heat completely blew it...much like the Knicks thought they had Donovan Mitchell all to themselves.

[@thecommentnigga5720]

Fire pat riley lmao it’s time

[@kaysings9672]

Only difference is that Miami isn’t gonna beat the same guy that they were seeking in the offseason in the playoffs after they didn’t get him

[@mysterirhys]

Miami’s mistake was trying to do a star acquisition in concert with a salary dump. All the players they were offering are making more than they’re worth.

[@randallalton6310]

Dame is gonna dominate. He just had his best year ever, and his one serious injury, the core issue, is two years removed. He's healthy, all the other injuries were temporary or inflated for excuses to sit him. He'll show he's a top 10 player this year.

[@Alex-vy1wm]

I saw multiple reports the blazers were asking for bam or Jimmy in the deal so I think they just didn’t want him in Miami

[@Esteban-R2]

The NBA lowkey hates Miami, Adam Silver could've said to Joe Crownin like: "Anywhere but Miami". Supposedly there were reports about that but idk. What is known is that there was a lot od spite in this. Blazers didn't want to trade with Miami. Everyone close to Dame says that, his cousin, his podcaster friend (the podcast where Dame said "Miami" first) and also reports from his camp are that Blazers didn't cooperate

[@Alex-vy1wm]

@@Esteban-R2 I wouldn’t at all be surprised if that happened behind closed doors. But I’m 100% certain they didn’t want him in Portland out of spite

[@mt_baldwin]

It's funny that all you heard from the Miami media and Heat fans was about how they were going to get Dame. Now that they didn't get him suddenly they're saying they never really wanted him anyway. Ok then why'd you spend the last 3 months saying you did?

[@pimpnamedslickback7780]

The heat made a mistake not going after bradley beal. They oculd've gotten him on a massive discount and got cheap

[@LouBang718]

Beal had the leverage.

[@pimpnamedslickback7780]

@@LouBang718 he wanted Miami and phoenix. Miami offered less when they could’ve easily beat out phoenix

[@cdeleon3494]

Yeah beal would be nice.... But beal had the final say anyways... Unless fckn pat riley passed up to trade for beal

[@speachless88]

I always thought Lillard was trying to force himself on the Heat AND prevent the Heat from giving up current assets so the HEAT could win a title.

[@strivinghigher7005]

To me this just shows how little we actually know about what's going on with these trade discussions and just how much assumption and speculation is involved.

[@95yazid]

Most reasonable comment in NBA history

[@RyanBrown-bz9nh]

At the end of the day Miami is comparable to LA for location in terms of the Eastern conference so they'll always have players that want to go there. Especially with a sport that centers around the winter.

[@cdeleon3494]

Ever since lebron left, no other star players at their prime signed with miami except for JB...

[@jaahnnn]

@@cdeleon3494 dame just demanded a trade there and nowhere else

[@cdeleon3494]

@@jaahnnn did you read my comment, i said "sign" not trade...

[@jaahnnn]

@@cdeleon3494 well the original comment was about players wanting to go there, which you replied to but try to deflect or backtrack or whatever

[@losangelescardinals]

The only way Miami comes out as winners is if JJJ and Jovic end up being big contributors this season and good players after that. Those were probably who Miami would have included to Portland along with some other assets.

[@losangelescardinals]

@@GibranCamus-fh2wk but Miami actually does see Jovic as a potential starter in the next year or so. JJJ had a good preseason opener and has been relatively quiet since but Jovic was doing great in the FIBA tournament

[@prakharsharma6381]

Portland’s just playing on peoples requirements rn. They got 3 first round picks/swaps already. What if they turn holiday to say Philly for harden and a first round pick. Philly needs to move harden if they want to have Joel believe they still building around him. Then they move harden for herro, salary filler 1 or 2 first round picks. And then they trade herro to lakers, or clippers or New York or whatever for any salary dump plus a pick. They basically turned lillard into a couple of role players and 6/7 first round picks. Yall playing nba, Portland playing 2k

[@AlainNavasDrama]

Im a Heat fan, and from all the years I've seen Pat operate, he only goes all in when its a superstar in there prime (mid-late twenties)....If he couldnt land Dame on a discount, he wasn't going to get him...

[@Mooninthenightsky9]

miami assumption that they didnt need to push all the chips in when they barely had enough chips to push

[@jeffroitero4266]

This whole "the guys know Miami was shopping them" thing is nonsense. Shopping Duncan Robinson is NOT the same as shopping Jaylen Brown or something. What is Duncan Robinson gonna do? He's gonna stop playing hard and tank his career to get revenge? He's gonna demand a trade? If anybody WANTED Tyler Herro or Duncan Robinson (and their bad contracts) they'd be gone. All they can do if they've got a problem with "getting shopped around" is play great and hope to go somewhere else. But the fact of the matter is that if Tyler Herro or Duncan Robinson pull some disgruntled "James Harden" BS, they'll be out of the league when their contracts expire. They both know it Some side notes for everybody gushing about how "amazing" this trade is for everybody. 1) Milwaukee - I'll just say it. Dame is overrated. He's a big fish in a little pond. He's had free reign and put up huge numbers on a team that was completely built and run around him for a long time. And the last 3 years or so, he can't stay healthy. He's a small guard and he's breaking down. And just for laughs, Jrue Holiday shot it better from 3PT range than Dame did last year. Look it up. 2) Portland - A lot of this depends on what they get for Jrue and maybe that evens it out. But they could have gone back to Miami for a better offer after securing this 3-teamer. That would have gotten Jacquez and Jovic and the other picks thrown in if that's what they wanted. Now they've got long-term money tied up into Simons, Ayton and Jerami Grant. All three are virtually untradeable. And that's going to be a problem when it's time to pay somebody like Sharp if he pans out the way everybody expects. Portland is going to have VERY little flexibility the next 3 years. And that's assuming they take back expiring contracts for Jrue. 3) Phoenix - Ayton is more talented than Nurkic. And he's available on a nightly basis. And with the kind of spacing Phoenix had lined up, Ayton was poised for the easiest year of his career. He's a MUCH better defender than Nurkic. And the "bevy of roleplayers" that Phoenix got are, at best, slight upgrades over the minimum salary vets they brought in... that everybody RAVED about two months ago... and that are suddenly all expendable. This Ayton trade for Phoenix is basically a concession that the RIGHT move last year was to work out a sign-and-trade with the Pacers, let Ayton go there and take back Myles Turner. Turner would have been an INCREDIBLE fit on this Phoenix team, both pre and post KD and Beal. A guy who can defend and rim protect, who can space, and who doesn't need the ball a ton to be happy. I also think Milwaukee is forgetting why they overpaid for Jrue in the first place. Which is that their backcourt defense was HORRID before him, and it'll now be horrid again. Dame and Pat Connaughton aren't giving you anything on that side of the floor. Middleton has been breaking down for the last couple of years. Brook Lopez is 50. 3/5ths of that starting 5 is a pretty big injury risk. And with Giannis as fed up with the mere idea of mediocrity that he seems, does anybody doubt that if Dame played 55 games, Middleton plays 62 and they fall out of the playoffs in the second round, that he's not gonna look at the front office, see that they're now thoroughly tapped out of assets with a severely aging team (think Miami Heat, last LeBron year) and demand that trade?

[@letmesleepinpeace7052]

Heat fumbled the bag HARD.

[@user-rr7bu9fe3k]

As a Heat fan, yes.

[@awardedaqua580]

Miami has made the final twice in the last 4 years. Give some credit their culture and front office. They know what they doin

[@lebirb42]

but they are missing a lot of swings when it comes to getting star players for a bit of depth when they are a piece away

[@Miles_305]

These new reports from Hayes' on how it went down are eye-opening. All makes sense now: Blazers had no desire to honor Dame's wishes at any point because they got way too emotional about how Dame's agent did business- after all that the Heat's "all in" offer would have actually been better for everyone in a 3-way deal with the Suns. Oh well.

[@hctterrell]

Actually I think the Suns/Bucks offer might have been better since they got that 2029 Bucks pick which can be very good and Deandre Ayton who is a solid center to add to the young core; Jrue can also give them more assets potentially

[@itsgl00my88]

The offer they got was definitely better, sticking it to the heat was just icing in the cake 😂

[@ry_an.]

Are you copy pasting this on other videos? 😂😂😂 lol

[@techsmc]

This trade way better pick swaps in 4&6 year away will be huge swapped out nurk got a 1st and trade holiday for so!e role players or pick way better deal then herro and a bunch of crap picks

[@gdee3918]

@@hctterrellthey were getting Ayton either way that was reported on for over a week. They got Jrue 1 pick and Allen

[@TTJJCC]

This makes no sense. Now, it's Dame's fault he not in Miami? Did they say Anthony Davis too aggressive for getting out of N.O.? Was Paul George too aggressive wanting out of Indiana? Or Westbrook wanting out of Houston and OKC? I don't blame Dame for telling them where he wanted to go. Truth is, Miami is at fault for not offering a better package, if it was possible. They should've gotten a 3rd team involved. I'm just glad they sent him to a winning team.

[@ronwaldoreyes2162]

Hero is one of the best in the Heats line up ,however in every final he is always out or sick or injured, thats the problem of the Miami Heat,otherwise Miami is loaded of great players...and are willing to fight to the end...

[@kkrstudios]

Tbh if Jrue gets traded to the Heat. They could beat the Bucks in a playoff series

[@itsgl00my88]

Lmao no

[@ry_an.]

😂😂 definitely not man Jrue shot 35% in the playoffs jimmys too old

[@brianrochelle]

Portland isn't going to do business with Miami after their low-ball offer for Dame.

[@pauloshman6188]

I didn't think Miami did anything wrong. With Damian age and salary. Within 2 years it going to look bad. And still have to pay him.

[@jbwanthony3177]

Heat didnt have the assets. Plain and simple.

[@oceanthresher6184]

The Heat are starting to look like the NBA equivalent to the 2021 Montreal Canadiens of the NHL. Montreal went on a similar earth shattering run to the Stanley Cup Final but then got their doors kicked in. They then had a disaster offseason and suffered a titanic collapse the following season, had the worst record in the league, and have since started a years long rebuild.

[@vicegripp]

Jrue going to Bucks from Pelicans: Bucks give up Eric Bledsoe, George Hill, FIVE PICKS (three firsts two seconds) Dame going to Bucks from Portland: Bucks give up Jrue, Allen, ONE first & two swaps (three firsts total)

[@SackVegasAnime]

Does he not realize they were the playin last year as well? If the floor is maintaining, that’s not bad.

[@andrescastano3599]

The offer was herro 3 picks and jovic and Martin would go to the suns this was reported by shams this is 3x better than what the blazers got

[@fightsports66]

Is there a reading comprehension problem going on in the Miami school system ? Portland was not going to get three first round picks from the Heat period.

[@gregbors8364]

Herro has no trade value, Jovic is a rookie and the Heat only had two picks available to trade. Meanwhile, Jrue will net two first rounders in a trade easily

[@andrescastano3599]

@@gregbors8364 it’s been reported that jazz, nets , and bulls would trade herro for a unprotected first round pick and the jazz which strange because of Danny and Pats beef reported offer two first round picks and Jovic just came out of the Fiba leading his country to second place. And for our picks we can trade 2024,2026, and 2028

[@andrescastano3599]

@@fightsports66 2024,2026,2028 are able and if they traded two first picks for goran I think they would have traded three for Dame this was because joe was petty

[@kennyb1472]

Blazers wanted half the roster prior to the Bucks trade then a report came out saying they wanted Jimmy or Bam which I don’t believe because they wanted younger assets. I wish we coulda got Dame but giving up all our assets to get him then sign two way players and g league players and a bunch of 35 year old free agents just doesn’t make sense to me but overall im happy for Dame because I’ve always wanted him out of Portland because he wasn’t winning there and he deserves to compete for titles.

[@RD-zx6py]

Nah, Riley thought the Blazers had no leverage and tried to steal Dame from them with a lowball offer. Tyler Herro and a shot Lowry or hugely overpaid Robinson? That offer was a joke.

[@Shawn-Leider]

That’s not what they wanted. That was a list of assets they would be interested in. Everyone seems very confused some think it’s what Miami offered and some think it’s what Portland demanded, neither is true. It’s just a list of who they would have worked with in a trade negotiation. They didnt expect all those people, and teams don’t trade 5 guys in one go

[@kennyb1472]

@@RD-zx6py they didn’t even want Herro because they’re already guard heavy. They woulda had to offload Simons or Sharpe or one of them would’ve been off the bench. Robinson doesn’t fit their timeline and Lowry is old and overpaid.

[@kennyb1472]

@@Shawn-Leider ok thats where I got confused at. Thanks for clearing that up.

[@Chickenpesto2468]

Bam is pretty young to be fair he’s 26 not crazy young but plenty of hooping left

[@win.n_krwn]

It looks even worse because they didn’t get Jrue either who went to another contender in the East

[@julioinfanteramos6535]

Is not a failure if the team you're trying to deal with never intended to send their player your way🤷🏽‍♂️

[@robertoreilly6660]

Damian fits the Bucks roster and needs better than he does in Miami. It makes sense that Miami would pay less for Damian (in trade terms) than the Bucks.

[@Ben_XK]

"Heat culture" is really getting over used since the bubble run. Sure it's there but what's nxt really? Jimmy ain't getting younger and I don't expect Bam to get way better that he can carry this team in the future days. The last championship this franchise got was with the heatles. I'm genuinely confused why they loose players for nothing year after year since the bubble team. 🤔

[@caelipino]

According to Chris Haynes in a article Miami is off the table from the start That's why Dame forced his way to Miami

[@thekidblack111]

Only extra trade pieces Miami had to offer was a Cuban sandwich and some chicharrón

[@cadrollhunting3564]

I am very surprised that there is so much speculation out there about this very simple situation. I do not believe that the heat refused to put their "best" offer out there, the problem is that the Heats best offer was basically next to nothing and so far away from what the Blazers got in the end, that no serious front office should even entertain any further discussion with the heat in that situation. The only way to get Dame to Miami was by trading BAM and that for obvious reasons. The heat have no attractive young players, no attractive picks as they never tank and no attractive veterans that you could flip for value, why would Portland keep talking to them, as soon as the heat take BAM off the table there was no need for further discussion. Dame and the Heat treated this situation like Dame is an expiring contract, even though he still has 4 years on his deal, which gave portland all the leverage. Portland did everything right here, they did not panic as they had time on their side and did not budge to Dames blackmailing attempt, you cant take a max deal as appreciation for your loyalty, which is the reason the supermax exists, and then act like you are beeing owed something. Now Portland got a great haul for Dame and they can most likely flip holiday alone for more value that they would have gotten from the heat in a dame trade and on top they have a great fit in ayton and some picks, well done blazers.

[@jimmymcmillan3312]

The Blazers were floating the idea of trading him to Toronto to scare Dame into being reasonable. I'm not sure Milwaukee is much warmer but at least he has his best chance at winning a championship

[@gregbors8364]

Dame has lived in Portland, where it constantly rains during the season, for almost half of his life now and he says he loves it there. I don’t think the trade request was about the weather, it was because Dame wanted to play with his boy Jimmy

[@anthonywalker764]

Portland didn't want to trade him to Miami,enough said!

[@kylewright5171]

I’m confused how if the heart are offering two players plus two first round picks and pick swaps is that not being aggressive enough, Portland just didn’t want to do a deal with the heat that’s really it. Holiday is going to retire in the next few years and the bucks knew that, Ayton is a good big but isn’t a big to build around that’s y the suns we’re so quick to deal him away.

[@DLo_MD]

Dame and Co. should've created a bidding war...

[@3serio]

This was after the “we’re gonna trade the pick to get help” and immediately lied

[@gameknotz3602]

Rondae Hollis-Jefferson to Miami?

[@Juimango40]

How tf is Miami NOT making the playoffs. They literally got better from last year. And don’t say “Oh bUt ThEy LoSt ViNcEnT aNd StRus” we literally were so deep *pause* in our rotation that some guys didn’t get minutes. Now we open up minutes for guys that deserved it. Plus we got a plus defender in Richardson who was the heats leading scorer in 1 season and some nice vets and we retained our core. Plus Miami still has ALL their FRP so they can easily make a mid-season trade. Plus Strus was HORRIBLE in the regular season. 34% from three are you fking serious?! I’m glad he’s gone. Plus he was a negative defender. The heat are 100% making the playoffs. Plus now Duncan has his groove back. Heat are a top 3 seed no QUESTIONS. If anybody types some stupid af comment, I’m not responding because y’all are casuals. 🤦

[@ry_an.]

Top 3 seed? Maybe. Second round exit at best.

[@Shawn-Leider]

Well that’s the hottest take ever, most people reporting the exact opposite. Maybe your underestimating Vincent’s impact. And how the league is looking at him rn.

[@itsgl00my88]

No they didn't lmao they added who??? Josh Richardson? Thomas Bryant??? 💀💀💀 Heat are NOT a top 3 seed. How tf do you go from an 8th seed barely beating the bulls in the play in and making a Cinderella run to a 3 seed???? They not good. They got worse.

[@yea3702]

@@itsgl00my88they gon say the heat struggled against the bulls and had a shitty regular on purpose or some shit

[@itsgl00my88]

@@yea3702 exactly like they had a good run and I give them credit but that run was based on players playing out of their body. Doing shit they have never done. It was a historic run that they will not be able to replicate.

[@DaintyBroom2233]

Great video, I look at this whole situation differently with the new perspective you laid out in this interview. Sure the team isn't as good as last year, but if Jovic and Jiame turn out to be decent young players that can raise there value this year, that's huge. A possible best year yet from a Tyler Herro isn't impossible either seeing as how he's young. It's also a far cry from a garuntee that if Lillard came to Miami that they'd even get out of the east much less win the title as the Celtics upgraded from last year and Miami's run last year was super bonkers. Miami could have easily sold there future and current assests all for a second round exit and two extremely expensive aging stars. If everything goes right for the Heat, there a tough 2nd or even 3rd round for the rest of the east, and next year with there higher value assets can go out and make a big splash for a big name.

[@travisstaggs5136]

Pat Riley and Miami thought they could low ball Portland because of Dame’s request/demand. Miami got what they deserved, nothing!

[@yapha3284]

If Dame all bout winning then this scenario worked out great for him

[@shaun5916]

Bucks didn’t even give up that much for him

[@pottstv1357]

Miami should try to trade for harden and jrue holiday. Trade jovic, jaques 2 picks for jrue and trade hero for harden straight up 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@markfriedman5358]

Very big mastake,and Riley keeps making them. He must retire.

[@dietersterkens5716]

It's crazy the discrespect about Jimmy. He''s been by far the best player in the leauge of the last few seasons (should've won mpv at least 2 times). Lilard ain't no joke, amazing player, but all I'm hearing is, that he would've been the best player on the heat. That's insane!!! How, why, it's ridiculous, in what world would Lillard be better than Butler?

[@gnomechomsky2524]

Better than Jokic? Lol please

[@hctterrell]

I do think it’s unfortunate they couldn’t get Dame, however this gives them an opportunity to get Jrue Holiday, also maybe Buddy Hield or Collin Sexton as well can be good to trade for

[@Thomas_Erickson]

I doubt jrue goes to Miami straight from Portland. But I’d be surprised to not see him in a heat jersey before he retires.

[@Shawn-Leider]

@@Thomas_EricksonI think he’s said this is his final contract. He already said he wanted to retire in Milwaukee. He’s only got a couple years.

[@Thomas_Erickson]

@@Shawn-Leider I mean he said that while he was with Milwaukee, could change pretty fast.

[@gregbors8364]

Yeah they can trade everything they offered for Dame for Jrue instead 😅

[@mxchael9931]

Or maybe they goth make a surprise three team trade with the suns and blazers

[@millenniumman3815]

It is not clear that the max they could give was never offered

[@vesper2950]

Miami will definitely feel the heat after losing Gabe Vincent and Max Strus

[@jaahnnn]

Right cuz those guys made the heat organization the heat didn't make them

[@pfpchad2747]

Miami was trying to play hardball after Dame made it known that he only wanted to go there. They thought that they had the upper hand and wanted to lowball Portland. Heat fans were totally obnoxious and acted like they deserved to get Dame no matter how bad their offer was. At the end of the day, Bucks is a better destination and Giannis is the teammate that he really needed. It's like the Denver of the East. The trade is awesome.

[@alfonsohernandez1982]

Thank you finally someone who speaks with great honesty and truthfulness, in all honesty what we have here is a classic case of a trio of the entitled franchise, the I won’t get bullied franchise, and the I want what I want no matter what happens

[@benserkowski4663]

I think Portland where holding out for bam and heat didn’t want to trade bam for lillard.

[@Jazzfan22]

In the desire to never tank the Heat might turn into the Nets.

[@nbapbaupdate8338]

Miami Heat not REPEAT last season RUN in next season 😅😂😅😂😅

[@ssj-rose4572]

Yeah but for 11 years they didn’t do shit to help him complete

[@Delaretro_]

The Pat Riley era will never be over That’s the whole point of Heat culture ! Every commercial break they mention it no matter whose on the roster they’re there to compete night in and night out

[@cdeleon3494]

But at some point, the heat must get a real 2nd star or someone greater than jimmy, cause bam aint a second star and the g leaguers wont become all stars. So what now

[@yea3702]

yea whatever bro

[@cdeleon3494]

@@yea3702 lmao

[@Delaretro_]

@@yea3702 embrace the hate. Embrace the dark side 😈

[@MarkCruz911]

Maybe Heat just don't want to give up some of their players also... the effort of the coaching staff in developing their players must be too much for them to lose even a single piece of player... they fall short last year but it was a good year... GO HEAT!!!!!!

[@alexalmonte8499]

Heat is winning it all this season

[@itsgl00my88]

Less than 0 chance

[@alexalmonte8499]

100 %

[@itsgl00my88]

@@alexalmonte8499 the were a few minutes away from losing in the play in last year a fluke finals run and then getting worse this off-season doesn't equate to a championship 😂

[@ry_an.]

Make the playoffs first

[@Juimango40]

@@itsgl00my88 cope

[@mr.manto4845]

Yes

[@ascotamos4825]

BRILLIANT

[@dannewth7149]

Miami didn't want Lillard enough.😊

[@EastofVictoriaPark]

Crab juice or Tyler Herro? Eww gross! I'll take the crab juice.

[@jaahnnn]

The bucks needed to do all this just to try to get past Jimmy butler lmao fired the coach and everything

[@storiesofyonko]

So basically if Dame didn't try to strong arm Portland & Pat Riley wasn't being so arrogant Dame would've been a heat! So being mad at Joe Cronin doesn't make sense y'all tried bitch him & it backfired

[@TheNoidleshow]

Oops looks like someone missed the Chris Haynes piece.

[@itsgl00my88]

@@TheNoidleshow bro nobody gives a fuck about the Chris Hayes piece obviously Pat is just trying to save face foh with that. He sat on his arrogant ass and let someone steal another star from under his nose.

[@mycabbages3538]

As a mavs fan, I’m thrilled that Miami had a bad off season.

[@95yazid]

LMAO you're down bad

[@CrypticNight]

heat sold the offseason for dame and were to stingy to land him smh

[@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812]

Honestly unless Milwaukee ends up winning a title with Lillard then the answer is NO.

[@ChrisbeFoSerious]

No. They offered the best/safest package but were smart not to blow up their longterm future. Herro, Jaquez, Jovic, & Bam can be a fantastic core post Jimmy Butler. The Heat are NOT worse wtf? Vincent & Strus were complete no shows in the Finals- Richardson & Bryant are far better editions than them. Herro will finally get more time on ball over someone like Vincent-all Miami needs is another point guard option, and I’d much rather have Jrue + the 3 young guys than have the roster and future gutted.

[@95yazid]

Yo not too much on Gabe Vincent man!!! Dude had no ankles left in the finals... He did great for the run, unfortunate they didn't conclude but Gabe Vincent was huuuuge! I'll def miss him PS : I agree with you we need to keep our young guys, everybody be like "they're not valuable assets" then they get fucked by them in the playoffs and cope

[@matthewscanlan8001]

Tucker 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@bitcoinethereum9702]

STOP IT the heat stars and franchise is devestated THE TIME IS NOW

[@FromDeepPod]

This current Heat team is still making the playoffs

[@360DJR]

Portland didn’t want to send Dame to Miami no matter what. Miami arguably had a better deal than the one they got and Portland could have squeezed a little more out of them and I’m sure Miami would have taken the bait. Portland is a poverty franchise. Miami will find another PG and find more depth. Long term this will be a worse situation for Portland even though Miami seem to have the egg on their face right now

[@ry_an.]

You’re smoking you really think Nikola Jovic and Tyler Herro and bums with a first round pick in the 20s would be better than Deandre Ayton and jrue holiday?

[@Shawn-Leider]

Bro lol. Miami most DEFINITELY did not have a better deal. Portland wasn’t emotional about this lol. Miami was emboldened by dame openly saying other teams shouldn’t try. They offered less and Riley said he dared them to find a better offer, because he felt safe because DAME SAID NOONE SHOULD MAKE OFFERs because he wouldn’t go anywhere else. I’m sorry but this isn’t debatable. Literally NOONE thinks Miami made a better offer. What u see is Portland’s list of wants. That is not what miami offered, they offered herro and picks. Nothing on that list is what Miami offered. Portland wanted 5 players and some picks on that list. Lol it wasn’t an offer. Teams don’t drop 5 players. That would be a mess.

[@Shawn-Leider]

@@ry_an.ya and they didn’t even offer those guys. That was Portland’s want list.

[@itsgl00my88]

Holy fucking copium. Pat Riley sat around and someone snag the star from under him AGAIN. The deal Portland took was better, heat have ZERO assets for a star and they have no money for depth and got worse. COPE.

[@ry_an.]

@@Shawn-Leider Yeah apparently the Heat only wanted to give up Tyler Herro and one of Lowry or Robinson with first round picks a century down the line. Thats a terrible deal

[@zVizzions]

I think jrue could be a good makeup prize for Miami heat

[@itsgl00my88]

Why would the blazers give the heat anything

[@itsgl00my88]

@@whobitmyname not really lmao might as well. If another team makes an offer just as good or better they should prioritize that offer just cause. Fuck the heat 😂

[@zVizzions]

@@itsgl00my88 if this is really the mindset a gm has then he shouldn’t have a job

[@itsgl00my88]

@@zVizzions every gm has grudges against other teams and other gms same reason stars rarely get traded within division or even conference at times no matter how good the offer is. If another team has the same level of offer as the heat I would take that teams offer. I just hate the heat and their fanbase though 😂

[@gregbors8364]

He can be had for the three picks that the Heat didn’t want to give up for Dame lol

[@benserkowski4663]

Heat need to get siakim or lavine

[@zaywoppo9427]

You gotta go all in no excuses

[@DRAMz-re7oo]

Weird the bucks got to play by a different set of rules then Miami. They gave up a guy who’s gonna retire soon and Grayson Allen. The Heat could have easily beat that and still not have given up a ton

[@danlower7834]

Jrue isn't retiring. He'll be playing at 36 somewhere.

[@DRAMz-re7oo]

@@danlower7834 even if he’s not Caleb Martin/herro is better then holiday

[@streettoughfighting]

So the drama was brewing for a couple years and all sides got in their feels and all did some not great business decisions. Just glad it’s all over and everyone won…well except the bag fumblers Miami. Funny how it’s all just he said she said drama, but I love pettiness so I’m here for the trash talking. 😂😂😂

[@genrxsantiagorph7894]

Dame is old we good with tyler jovic and the rookie. We dont need old

[@pfpchad2747]

I disagree with you. Miami didn't think that any other team would trade for Dame after Dame made it clear that he only wanted them. Pat Riley and the Miami fan base thought that Dame was guaranteed. They likely used the media to turn up the pressure on Portland and thought that Portland would buckle. There is no way in hell they thought that Dame would go to any other team in their conference. If they did, they would have stepped up their offer. They fucked around and found out.

[@moonskeetz]

Miami played it right. Even if they landed Dame they still aren't winning a championship. Trade Butler and move on.

[@danielyanezgarrido]

I dont think it was the heats fault,

[@anthonycc44]

This is a bad trade.

[@giselagodoy4114]

Next time do your job and look at Marc Spears piece and actually talk about legit things that happened! Cronin told Dame for u to go to Miami we are going to go for all their assets which included Bam and Dame saw there wasn’t an Avenue to go to Miami

[@jtymon24]

Ofcorse the heat made a huge mistake.. they lost their two major targets to the bucks.