Did the Sea Peoples Sack Troy? Dr. Eric Cline | 1177BC | Bronze Age Collapse

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

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[@oker59]

Nobody likes the Iron age hypothesis. And, I was just thinking, before watching this, that a whole bunch of different Sea People's would suggest that the Bronze age collapse was not due to iron age wielding Sea Peoples. If the Bronze age collapse came from some iron age group, then it should have come out of one center, and not seven or more different groups. But, if Troy fell to the Sea Peoples, then I would think they'd be iron age weaponry Sea peoples. And that, really takes me back to how does a small band of people take out the Hittites? The only reason the Egyptians survived was because they had a desert entrance and a sea entrance bugger. They just sank the sea peoples(and they had Spies and Diplomats intelligence to tell them what was going on and to prepare for them). The fact is that the Bronze age collapse occurred when the Iron age started. It makes sense!

[@oker59]

Iron was a technology that the Bronze age cultures couldn't match up against. Iron can go through bronze with comparable ease. So, on the one hand, people back then would want iron-smiths. On the other hand, iron working was mysterious magic. They'd want to keep iron workers from ruling them, but they'd want to get the iron-works. This is seen in 1Samuel13:19 - "Now there was no smith found throughout the land of Israel; for the Philistines said, Lest the Hebrews make them swords or spears." In Greek iron god mythology, Hephaestus had an epithet, "the lame one"(Hephaestus wiki reference, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus), in Norse mythology, it's "Wayland the Smith", who is "Later, King Niðhad captured Wayland in his sleep in Nerike and ordered him hamstrung and imprisoned on the island of Sævarstöð. There Wayland was forced to forge items for the king."(Wayland the Smith wiki, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_the_Smith).

[@oker59]

phys.org/news/2017-10-luwian-hieroglyphic-inscription-bronze-age.html - Luwian hieroglyphic inscription explains the end of the Bronze Age www.talanta.nl/publications/previous-issues/2008-tm-201-%e2%97%8f-volume-xl-xlix/2018-%e2%97%8f-volume-50/ The Sun King of Mira destroyed Wilusa(Troy) and Hatusa(the Hittites). they essentially were the Sea Peoples, or became the Sea Peoples. This inscription does not say how they did it. But, once again, I don't know how some small state takes out the Hittites, Troy, Mycenae, and the Minoans without a technological edge.

[@oker59]

The Sea People's didn't conquer Wilusa and Hattusa by earthquakes, plagues, climate change, or complex systems - they did so by means of iron age weapons, which they apparently innovated.

[@digkabri]

The Sea Peoples did not have iron weapons. And, that inscription is a fake.

[@billthomas7644]

Homer must have known something about the sea peoples. In the Odyssey, there is the tale that Odysseus tells the swineherd when he returns to Ithaca disguised as a beggar. The expedition he describes being part of to the swineherd sounds quite similar to the Egyptian account of the sea people attack. There is also the story that Menelaus tells Odysseus' son, Telemachus, where Menelaus claims to have gained great wealth on his return from the Trojan via some sort of raid on Egypt.

[@tweedledumart4154]

I’d put a dime or two on that the Myceneans were one of the sea peoples.

[@free_gold4467]

They surely must be.

[@ΓΙΩΡΓΟΣΒΙΚΙΑΣ]

Ekqesh and Denyen were Achaeans and Danayans that were mentioned in the Egyptian and Hebrew scripts which were the main tribes of the war on the Mycenaean side Basically all of them had origins from the Aegean Trojans were the Tjeker and were also part of the Sea Peoples All of the Sea peoples had Hellenic origin but I can't really think who were the Kalasha and Weshwesh in the list.

[@gold333]

@@ΓΙΩΡΓΟΣΒΙΚΙΑΣ exactly. Why do people ignore this? It clear cut also considering the immensely reduced populations at that time.

[@Jakethegoodman]

I have a different theory. The Sea Peoples were proto etruscans and the Trojans were Proto Phonecian.

[@Dragonette666]

I think the Sea Peoples were a result of the Myceneans backing rebels and insurgents like Piyamaradu. He was a thorn in the side of the Hittites for over 30 years. When they saw how well it worked they backed / financed / supported more groups against the Hittites. Then something happened. Climate issues like a famine, Now the Myceneans are struggling, and maybe they can't support their mercenaries. Then the Sea People say "hey we can beat these other Empires, we can beat them too, let's go make them pay up!"

[@gold333]

-Homer writes that Agamemnon united all the tribes and the Achaeans came with a thousand allied ships to sack Troy for Helen. -Ramses III writes that the Sea People came from the sea by the thousands and sacked cities in the Mediterranean and names the Achaeans as one of them. Both at exactly the same time. Where is the mystery exactly? Also: -Achilles mentions that he sacked 12 ships by sea and 11 by land. In line with what we know of SP. -Troy shows archeological destruction over a period of more than 100 years in LH IIIB/C. Homer may have actually condensed 100 actual years of “strife” into 10 years to make it a more gripping story. The “10 years” in the story is actually more plausible than appeared at first. -People also forget that the world was a much less populated place then, there were no superfluous mentions.

[@bec5250]

I've often wondered if the 10 year siege of Troy, as described by Homer, wasn't the Sea Peoples running amok in the Eastern seaboard of the Mediterranean.

[@gregorynixonAUTHOR]

Well done, for getting Eric Cline aboard!

[@galileogalilei1086]

The answer to this question was published more than 15 years ago in the specialised journal “Mediterranean Archaeology” (vol. 16, 2003), in the article titled “The Sea Peoples and the Historical Background of the Trojan War”, written by C. Moreu. This is the abstract of the paper: “The so-called Sea Peoples were involved in several conflicts at the end of the Bronze Age. The great inscription on the mortuary temple of Ramesses III, reporting the final crisis of the Sea Peoples, is written in a very ambiguous style. This is why the text of Medinet Habu has usually misled the scholars of the crisis. In general, it is believed that a coalition of five Sea Peoples devastated Anatolia, Cyprus and Syria, and then finished their raid attacking Canaan and Egypt. However, further study of data proves that these five peoples, vassals of the Hittites, had their original settlement in some of the wasted lands of Anatolia and Syria. In fact, they had suffered great defeat in their own countries, having to migrate to the Egyptian borders and invade Palestine. Their enemies (or the true attackers in the north) were Mycenaean. These aggressors conquered some coastal lands, at the same time as the Mushki and the Kashka destroyed the Hittite empire. Troy was one of the Anatolian cities attacked by the Mycenaean Greeks, and thus the legendary Trojan War has an evident historical background.” You can find the whole text of the article in sea-peoples.blogspot.com/2009/09/crisis-of-1200-bc-in-eastern.html and also in www.academia.edu/7034375/CARLOS_MOREU_The_Sea_Peoples_and_the_historical_background_of_the_Trojan_war The same thesis was published in France in the book “La Guerre de Troie: Au-delà de la légende” livre.fnac.com/a2222992/Carlos-Moreu-La-guerre-de-Troie-au-dela-de-la-legende

[@ETLee-db6cn]

Sea peoples origins, based on word (really consonant) similarity. One I like that I have not seen elsewhere is Peleset = Pylos (or Pylosite to put a biblical word ending on it.) Teresh has too many possibilities: Troas (as in this video), bus also Tyre, Etruscan/Tyrrhennian, Tarsus, Thracian ... Regarding Mycenaeans and collapse of the Bronze Age: At some point I looked through wikipedia summaries of the Epic Cycle (if I have the term right- Iliad, Odyssey plus a number of similar lost works) and found around three dozen instances of raids, sacks, conquests... and that is from very incomplete accounts from one ethnic group (the Lukkans were famous pirates, too, it seems.) How many raids, sacks, acts of piracy does it take to collapse a trade networks? How many lost trading ships bound for Troy, Millawatta or Greece before the traders quit sending ships that way? "And in unrelated events, there is an inexplicable tin shortage in the Aegean area, forcing smiths to employ the much inferior, harder to produce, Iron in roles where Bronze is much preferred."

[@Jakethegoodman]

Based on the accounts of the helmets with plumage and the physical description i say Etruscan.

[@ETLee-db6cn]

... for Teresh, I forgot to include Tiryns.

[@TigerofRobare]

I believe there is a theory that identifies one of the Sea Peoples, the Ekwesh, with the Mycenians.

[@digkabri]

It’s in the book; see 1177 BC.

[@ΓΙΩΡΓΟΣΒΙΚΙΑΣ]

Also the Denyen

[@jameswells554]

The Iliad states that the Achaens spent years attacking other Islands, and settlements and destroyed their Temples. Ten years for one siege? Yeah, no. Homer telescoped, and compressed events. The destruction of the walls by an earthquake after a bad faith offering to Poseidon (who was believed to create earthquakes even though he was a Sea God), and the sacking that occurred later could easily be combined to create an epic War in the eyes of later generations struggling to understand a World gone mad.

[@TheCsel]

It could have been a protracted invasion, multiple sieges. Similar to the Peloponnesian War, where the Spartans would camp outside of Athens for several weeks, but have to go home to manage the harvest and other affairs. The Achaens could have camped outside of Troy and raided the countryside but left for the harvest and for the winter, then return to renew the seige the next year and continue to raid the lands. While the Trojans could bring in supplies when they were gone, the continued raids would destroy any harvests each year, they would have to import food and supplies from other kingdoms. So in a sense the siege would continue because the economic cost would be so great.

[@TheMrgoodmanners]

You gotta admit though, homer was one fantastic and epic story teller,if he did exist that is

[@chrisamon4551]

The Iliad II. 9.328 has Achilles boast: “twelve cities have I laid waste with my ships, and eleven by land.” Ajax supposedly did the same thing along the coast of Thessaly. Odysseus tried to raid a town on the way home from Troy, but they were repulsed. Menalus and Helen wound up in Egypt for a few years on their way home. The Sea Peoples were definitely the Mycenaean Greeks, and the Iliad was the oral retelling of the glory days of Greek piracy from long ago, the real details and characters and motivations forgotten over 400 years, but the core story endured.

[@chrisamon4551]

@@TheMrgoodmanners Homer would have sung the Iliad, so really he was the world’s first rockstar.

[@IvorMektin1701]

@@chrisamon4551 Greek Piracy: Terrifying

[@TheMrgoodmanners]

We should all be mad at schliemann for messing up the dig site. I also saw a documentary that claimed that the alliterative description of the trojan horse in homers story was a description of poseidon who features prominently in the saga. Hez oft represented as a horse in greek mythology, he was also the greek god of the sea and earthquakes. The outer walls of whats believed to be troy appeared collapsed due to earthquakes so one wonders..

[@johnsamu]

If Schliemann didn't started digging than possibly the whole story would still be looked upon as "fantasy" and "never really happened". So he might have destroyed crucial evidence/clues but he did start a " rethinking" of the whole period.

[@ΉρινναΉριννα]

Personally, I believe that the Eκves of the seapeoples were some Mycenaeans, who when they returned from Troy, found their "thrones" occupied. Thus they were united with the Sekeles, the Sardans, the Denans and so on. This explains how Pylos was conquered. Those who burned Pylos, they were not enemies, because there was no battle. They (who?) went to Pylos as friends and conquered it. Dates match. (Sorry for my english)

[@gregorynixonAUTHOR]

Pylos was likely evacuated by the elite before it was destroyed, but the Linear B tablets clearly indicate the fear of invaders arriving by sea.

[@Im70973]

Do you think there is a connection between the Sea peoples and the Dorian invasion?

[@Ben1159a]

A question I have had in my mind for years... the debris mound at Troy, the giant pile of destroyed material left over from the original dig... has anyone gone through that in a systematic, detailed way. Years ago I heard a lecture and it was said then that the pile was just sitting there, waiting to be explored. I wonder if since then anyone has?

[@CrownTown10]

Dr Kline, a question please? I see the bookshelf behind you; can you please recommend 1-3 reference works you would consider worth having in my library?

[@KevinArdala01]

...did somebody say, "Sea Peoples." 😁

[@mmk421]

... them again?

[@josephhebert1785]

🥺

[@johnbecay6887]

sea peoples own facebook

[@KevinArdala01]

Typical of them.

[@johnbecay6887]

@@KevinArdala01 i know... they got no respect...

[@walterulasinksi7031]

A compression of historical events can easily be used and distorted by those attempting to explain previous turmoil. Some of it can be due to , like ourselves, a lack of evidence and contemporary narrative. There also must be considered that events that resulted in a cultural context have been biased to support a current narrative. For the most part, this is what has occurred with the entirety of the late Bronze/ early Iron ages. Much has been compressed and with little contemporary narrative, can be aligned to a contemporary view. Even the concept of a dividing line between the predominant use of one material over another cannot be considered as sacrosanct. Convenient yes but has the potential for greater confusion of understanding. It is not inconceivable that there is a truth that lies between the evidence, the perception of the evidence and the speculative ad our own perceptions and comparisons of historical events with relation to our present condition. We see parallels in various conditions. And we can apply a social context to historical events where previously, much if this was not included in narrative or has been lost with the possibility of yet to be found. It is with the inclusion of various sciences and our perception of social context that new evidence needs to be weighed. Eg: while it may be very small, that DNA evidence of People of Iberian ancestry has been found among the Philistines, can support a wider consideration of the peripheral And possible causes towards the Collapse, than has previously been considered. The wider the scope of inquiry, the greater the possibility for new evidence.

[@tarhunta2111]

What you have written is spot on.I couldn't have said it better.I term this tendency to compress so many variables into neat geometric patterns as Historical Retro Compression.A tendency of humans to view the World in cliches.

[@michaelminter2292]

I really miss Nick… I only knew him through his channel, but I miss him regardless ❤

[@georgemay8170]

One of the control issues in the Agean civilizations was "water," which was the same issue of those living in the Levant.

[@mattstakeontheancients7594]

Nick what did you think of the lewian studies theory of the collapse. Think along with Dr. Cline’s theory it’s the best two ongoing theories.

[@henrikhermansson4010]

I think that the Greek force that attacked Troy, went on to become the ”sea people”

[@sutapasbhattacharya9471]

English TV historian Michael Wood suggested the same decades ago in regard to the Odyssey in which 'Ulysses' journeys to the Nile etc. I was just watching a new documentary 'Lost City of the Trojans' and given the dating of the supposed 'war' at c.1200 bce, I was astonished that the scholars on this programme made no mention of the Sea Peoples - hence a Google Search led me here.

[@tarhunta2111]

You may be right.

[@HermesSonofZeus]

Having a trouble with the t-shirt link, btw. 404 not found. Also, love the concept, but two notes based on the mug: 1.) no colon necessary, especially after 'tour', as the arrangement and sizes of the typeface do the job for you; and 2.) the figure strikes me as more 'Greek' than Sea Peoples (might be a Greek rendering of the SP from centuries later, but seems unlikely; I'm just unfamiliar with the image)--consider looking at Medinat Habu or perhaps the Kynos krater, etc. Otherwise 10/10 would buy. Thanks for doing all of these videos. Really do enjoy them all and try to see as many as I can. Also, Cline shines as usual :) Thanks for having him on and thanks to all of your guests (including the ones others complain about :D )!

[@KevinArdala01]

Did anyone catch the name of the rebellion he mentioned when he said that: "Homer may have telescoped the *????* rebellion from a few centuries earlier?" The audio wasn't clear at this point unfortunately... 😬

[@enbuenora]

Assuwa, ca 1430 BC. Cline has written on this before, that an Assuwa federation may have risen up against Hittite rule and possibly aided by the Mycenaeans.

[@KevinArdala01]

@El Cid Cheers for that, I'll make sure to look into that one! 👍

[@kimberlyperrotis8962]

Dr. Cline is the best. I would love to hear him discuss the recently discovered lower city of Troy.

[@gregorynixonAUTHOR]

Second-best. I would have to give "the best" in that field of study to Trevor Bryce (or Dr Bryce, if you wish).

[@onbedoeldekut1515]

The only problem we have is focusing too much on Homer, when there are other histories which mention Troy, Menelaus, the search for Helen IN THE EGYPTIAN DELTA in ways which the Ageans could be considered among the sea peoples, if only that they were active in similar ways to other groups at the same time.

[@sherylcrowe3255]

Excellent question 👏

[@ghostlightdc]

My theory on this is that the Sea Peoples are the Mycenaeans themselves. I believe the Egyptians were describing the coalition put together to attack Troy and to generally plunder around the Mediterranean. I think the Trojan War was probably an on going conflict or two separate conflicts that were connected like WWI and WWII and that ancients saw it as connected to the larger Bronze Age collapse, which is why it was given such a place of prominence by the bards in myth making. It is said that Zeus wanted to decrease the population of humans and the war was the result. This sounds like a mythological explanation for what actually happened.

[@ghostlightdc]

@Valentina Valley I think they are part of the equation also. The Mycenaeans may have recruited various Anatolian peoples along the way either by force or by forming coalitions with them based on the promise of land and glory.

[@ghostlightdc]

@Valentina Valley Yes, the Trojans and Dardans might be identified with the Dardanoi described by the Egyptians. But the Peleset, Danuna, and Ekwesh are likely Greek. Other groups identified as the Sea Peoples can be associated the places in western Anatolia that were likely under or in the process of being under Mycenaean influence. Milawata/Miletus would be one of those locations.

[@ghostlightdc]

@Valentina Valley I've read that before too. I'm not sure what to make of it yet. It seemed hard to find good scholarship about it.

[@ghostlightdc]

@Valentina Valley I think there's probably some truth to a lot of the myths.

[@lf1496]

Love this, and the Sea Peoples are always so intriguing. Great topic.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@larsbitsch-larsen6988]

The Iliad and the Odyssey,does not mention drought hunger and other groups fleeing. On the contrary the Greeks seemed to expect to return to normal farming. It is unclear if the climatic event hit the area all at once or it came gradually from the west. One thing about the Sea Peoples is that they were fleeing from a climate collapse which mean they were not planing to return as the Greeks did after the fall of Troy.

[@dr.enochmetatron6830]

excellent. billion galactic thanks. have a great day always.

[@ΓΙΩΡΓΟΣΒΙΚΙΑΣ]

Teresh were the Thracians They were known as descendants of Tiraz in the Genesis in the Holy Bible. Both of them are Semitic Languages and ethnicities so I personally think it has links to it.... Also the Triires ships were invented in Thrace and Thracians were raiding for a couple of centuries the North Aegean..... But as Ive read, All of the Sea Peoples had origins from the Tiraz and also Yavan was created later by the Greeks in Jerusalem because they didn't want to link themselves to what they considered barbaric. So Ekqesh were the Achaeans And Denyen the Danayans both of them participated to the Mycenaean side as MAIN tribes as most of us do acknowledge Also Trojans were the Tjeker in the Sea Peoples list (Trojans were also called Teucrians, so compare and take your time to think)... Trojans were akin to the Mycenaeans in every way you can Imagine, I've searched and found....... Mycenaeans though..... Compared to the Trojans you will notice that Mycenaeans were the actual barbarians

[@tracymcgeachie7525]

You have got me so interested in the sea people.

[@Wallyworld30]

Battle of Troy took place 50 yards before the Sea Peoples show up in history. Homer reciting what happened 500 years earlier could have easily been off by 50 years. My only objection would be Egypt surely would have been familiar with the Mycenaeans and not likely to call them "Sea Peoples" which indicates a group of people Egypt are not familiar with. So I don't think it's likely they are the Sea Peoples in any great majority.

[@HermesSonofZeus]

Fair and wise objection. It could also be that, if (eventually) among the broader 'Sea Peoples', they simply were not among those who assaulted Egypt (there at least two waves which reached Egypt, with slightly different compositions each time, I believe). I should add, to be fair, that the Sherden do seem to be mentioned from the mid-14th cent. BCE.

[@ghostlightdc]

The Egyptians did name them specifically however and several like the Peleset and Danuna are linked to Greece, while others can possibly be linked to locations in the Greek sphere of influence in western Anatolia. I think "sea peoples" was likely a poetic name the Egyptians used for the larger coalition, not necessarily for the Greeks themselves.

[@katmannsson]

my only thought is he butchered the pronunciation of Hattusa

[@america1776awesome]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Greek legend indicate that Troy was previously sacked by Herakles a generation prior to the more famous siege? I always thought of it as the Heraklian sacking was merely an explanation of the earthquake destruction of VI, while the clear man-made sack of VII was the historical version of the fabled Trojan War.

[@free_gold4467]

If that's correct it's very interesting.

[@digkabri]

Yes, that is correct; Herakles sacked the city a generation earlier.

[@Aninkovsky]

South East Asia?

[@TheCsel]

I don't understand this channel, is it just to promote other books and lectures? or is it an excerpt of a longer interview? The videos never seem to cover much and just briefly mention a topic and have some guest say a couple things and then the video is over. I feel like I'm missing something.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

All three and more :)

[@TheCsel]

@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 just curious, I enjoy the topics and am interested in them. I just wish the videos were longer and went into more detail

[@patriotpioneer]

Thoughts on one of the Tribes of Israel are The Sea Peoples...?

[@robertpalumbo9089]

This is a great

[@fantastichound]

Interesting theory, sounds reasonable.

[@robertpalumbo9089]

This is how you history without a hidden agenda

[@comfortlynumb5585]

If you change your mind every year why would someone want to attend your class/lecture?

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Because he is the best.

[@llllajnalll]

Dr. few q. for u, what sea and peoples u mean when u say "sea peoples"? In Balkan region, how many seas were around in bronze age and iron age, also before em ages, since we have continuity here in Balkans, both in metallurgy as well in nautics, oldest in this part of europe, dr. should know the name of that em people/civilisation living here were in late iron age, 11th century bc, stainless steel tools (a needle for example), and water / sea levels of adriatic sea, mediteranian sea, and pramorje panonsko and its leftovers, now Danube river were? To have that titule "captain" what's needed do know/do to earn it back in those times? If u know what and where were the iron gates? As a dr. u should also know u can't come up here 3x levels up with any type of boats, if em gates are opened for u? :) cheers. all the best.

[@daviddana339]

One major point most scholars seem to ignore about the Trojan WaR; and Cline [as far as I know] has only mentioned my point briefly - which is: Troy 6 was destroyed by an earthquake [...should be no argument there]. Question 1 - who was go the god of earthquakes? [answer: Poseidon]. Question2 - What was the attribute of Poseidon when he was going about his earthquake business? [answer - the horse!]. There really was a Trojan Horse...as an earthquake. All Greeks knew of this attribute.; ANY tragedy involving an earthquake was understood to be Poseidon's [as the horse attribute] work. It was purely 'poetic license' with the facts [i.e. giving Odysseus credit for masterminding the wooden 'Trojan Horse]; this 'license' was and continues to this day to be the norm inciting the 'facts.' Those days every story teller was expected to 'juice up' any story. Since Troy was destroyed significantly by an earthquake, the last man standing [Mycenaens] in this long feud got to tell the story of victory. Kind of like our school textbooks.

[@digkabri]

See my book The Trojan War: A Very Short Introduction (Oxford University Press, 2013), where I discuss this. It was first suggested by a German scholar named Schachermeyr in the 1950s.

[@BorninPurple]

Okay, so you have a long siege of Troy, in Bronze age Antiquity. Homer says it was 1000 ships, right? Even if that's not true, it's showing a lot of people took part. You need to logistically feed all those warriors and, when the siege ends, they need to all come back to their homes. Guess what? The supply line can't sustain itself so you have a large army that's just fought a war, consisting of several groups, who go on a rampage, pillaging and destroying settlements.

[@agentofchaos7456]

Well, that is basically what happened after the mythical Trojan War.

[@Zebred2001]

Surely there must have been writing in Troy. It's a matter of time before their archives are found and much of this mystery cleared up!

[@TheLolwut2]

Probably was. Question was did Schliemann destroy it all when he decided to use dynamite as a excavation tool.

[@Zebred2001]

@@TheLolwut2 I've not heard that he used dynamite. That's unlikely for someone looking for artifacts. He just had his workmen dig out the great trench. They would have noticed tablets.

[@TheLolwut2]

@@Zebred2001 then you've never really studied Schleimann's excavation of Troy, because it's a well established truth that he used dynamite in his excavations.

[@Zebred2001]

@@TheLolwut2 Obviously if they dynamited a whole archive they would have found and recognized tablet fragments in the debris they hauled away!

[@bencopeland3560]

I feel like he glossed right past the most relevant question: “are the Mycenaeans part of the sea peoples”.

[@ArturdeSousaRocha]

My take on this is that Odysseus & co. were early representatives of the Greek branch of the Sea Peoples. Not the prominent kings of Iliad but the lesser characters.

[@HermesSonofZeus]

Intriguing notion!

[@EvansdiAl]

God bless a history video without the contemporary political one wing bias. liked, commented, and... already subscribed!

[@martinavaslovik3433]

I've wondered about this myself, it could have been the sea peoples, the time frame is right and we can't be sure that Homer even existed.

[@comfortlynumb5585]

By sea people's do you mean phonecians?

[@richardwhite6062]

Jason and the argonaughts are the sea people. And each person in they myth represents the different regions in which they are from. And it accurately represents trademarks in pallestinian dna. Why this is not talked about more i do not know

[@kaarlimakela3413]

T shirt and mug idea Sack of Troy (approx date) Image of wooden horse The Mystery Continues or something like that. Maybe you already have it! Going to check lol NEVERMIND! It will be a splurge when the relief $$$ comes through. 🙂

[@darrinwebber4077]

I have a few theories... Not my personal beliefs...just scenariks I see as being possible... One theory ... Is that...Mycenean colonies and city states were Sea Peoples. Either preying on lands they saw as weak... Or attacking lands in desperate times for food and resources as various events (earthquakes, and tsunamis, maybe even a small asteroid or two) brought about an end to the Bronze Age.... Just theories...

[@gregorynixonAUTHOR]

Of course they did. Very likely the Achaians (Achaeans or Mycenaeans) were just one tribal entity of the vast numbers of people on the move. How else? Mykenai itself (& other Peloponnesian cities) was likely destroyed just before Troy.

[@gregcollins7602]

I think the Sea People and Mycenaean are one in the same.

[@hidearCellofGod]

WHO are the sea people? Atlantis people? For the ones who speak Spanish: KZbin channels: 1. dra. Ruth Sotomayor, she is an amazing researcher but in older stuff than this here. 2. Hijos del Sol, with Diego from Spain, another good channel . Thnx for sharing, I am using my husband´ s channel, mine died, so no message back, thnx.

[@tacocruiser4238]

Troy was sacked by Mycenaean sea peoples.

[@kaarlimakela3413]

A dad's gotta do what a dad's gotta do ... Look honey, if I live, I might get a job in Egypt! Wouldn't it be great if we could move there?

[@trevorhunton7526]

Was there a Mycenaean empire? I think not, I think the bulk of the Levant and Greece was basically made up of small city states who at times fought each other and at times formed alliances to fight other city states or tribe's. Homer (one man or many) put together shed loads of stories handed down over hundreds of years some of which were loosely based on historical fact and some of which were total fiction. There were probably hundreds of small walled cities dotted all over the place, most no bigger than a small town and they probably only had a handful of people who could write and a handful of people who lorded it over the peasants. Drought's, famines, the peasants rise up, murder the folks in the walled cities and murder the folks who write. Writing didn't stop in egypt because they didn't suffer from a peasants revolt.

[@richardque4952]

The sea people more likely the greek themself.

[@Nick-zp3ub]

The trojans were hittites and there were greeks among the sea people

[@dorasmith7875]

Sure Troy was sacked by the Sea Peoples. If the Myceneans were sea people. But, really, I thought t he people of Troy and Mycenea were different groups of the same culture. That whole war was a couple of hundred years before the sea people antics.

[@jhdgdyhi8]

The ''sea peoples'' were all Greek tribes. Their common name is Pelasgians. The Trojans are also Pelasgians. Wars between Greek tribes were happening all the time. In Egypt the Pelasgians are called Peleset and Palastu. They settled in Canaan after they been defeated by Rameses somewhere in 1200-1300 in BC Egypt. In there the brought their superior Greek civilization to what was going to be Israel. We know them from the old testimony as Philistines. 900- 1000 years later Alexander the Great not only didn't need to fight in Israel but he was welcomed from the local leaders who spoke Greek to his surprise. Today's Palestinians carry this same ancient name, even though it's debatable how much of the blood.

[@DenofLore]

Spend 100 bucks and get a condenser microphone. Please.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Old interview, old mic.

[@Ramoreira86]

Seaaa people seaaa people, Taste like sea, talk like people

[@drpsionic]

It's very simple. The Sea Peoples were originally the ancestors of the Vikings who, when they sailed into the Mediterranean in search of warm weather and fleeing smell of lutefisk, picked people like the Sardianians and the Sicilians along the way.

[@Withnail1969]

The sea people did it and the Trojan war myth is from an earlier time.

[@linobenetti6578]

the sea people....those born by the sea , raised to fare and built careers as marins ....they based their wealth on seafaring Nausica nautical nauta nausea nafplion nautics dont u sea ? ( see) santorini destroyed bronze civilisation ( worse than Krocatoa ).. people once well established became gypsie refugees , the land of canaan deliciously appealing kalimera to the world from kalamata

[@oker59]

Nobody likes the Iron age hypothesis. And, I was just thinking, before watching this, that a whole bunch of different Sea People's would suggest that the Bronze age collapse was not due to iron age wielding Sea Peoples. If the Bronze age collapse came from some iron age group, then it should have come out of one center, and not seven or more different groups. But, if Troy fell to the Sea Peoples, then I would think they'd be iron age weaponry Sea peoples. And that, really takes me back to how does a small band of people take out the Hittites? The only reason the Egyptians survived was because they had a desert entrance and a sea entrance bugger. They just sank the sea peoples(and they had Spies and Diplomats intelligence to tell them what was going on and to prepare for them). The fact is that the Bronze age collapse occurred when the Iron age started. It makes sense!

[@oker59]

Iron was a technology that the Bronze age cultures couldn't match up against. Iron can go through bronze with comparable ease. So, on the one hand, people back then would want iron-smiths. On the other hand, iron working was mysterious magic. They'd want to keep iron workers from ruling them, but they'd want to get the iron-works. This is seen in 1Samuel13:19 - "Now there was no smith found throughout the land of Israel; for the Philistines said, Lest the Hebrews make them swords or spears." In Greek iron god mythology, Hephaestus had an epithet, "the lame one"(Hephaestus wiki reference, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus), in Norse mythology, it's "Wayland the Smith", who is "Later, King Niðhad captured Wayland in his sleep in Nerike and ordered him hamstrung and imprisoned on the island of Sævarstöð. There Wayland was forced to forge items for the king."(Wayland the Smith wiki, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_the_Smith).

[@digkabri]

No, the fact is that the Iron Age occurred after the Bronze Age collapse. The Bronze Age did not collapse because of the Iron Age. Advances in iron do not begin in earnest until after the collapse, perhaps because of the cutting of the trade routes and the sudden lack of tin, which is needed to make bronze.