Did the Thrustmaster T598 Update Change Mind and is it Better for GT7 Now?

[@thecasualracinggamer]

I put my last video back up since some folks think Thrustmaster told me to take it down. 😂 I hope you all understand, I don't need products sent to me. If it's something I am interested in, I will accept it, but will always be truthful in my reviews. The last video was before I updated the firmware. I wanted to be informative on how I felt after updating it. Here is the last video for those interested. No, Thrustmaster didn't ask me to take it down. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oaPRgHV_frGfppo

[@n3ilioGX]

It's funny because I was looking for the previous video on my watch later list and I tried finding it on your channel, and I thought I was going crazy when I couldn't find it lol. We appreciate your honest reviews :)

[@Two49]

No need to take down the old vid - your thoughts and opinions were well warranted even if things changed later.

[@thecasualracinggamer]

Thanks. I put it back up only to show that Thurstmaster didn't actually reach out to me and tell me to take it down. LOL

[@The_BenboBaggins]

I'm still a few months away from being ready to buy, but this is really encouraging for the T598 - I'm interested to see if there's a further improvement when it's recognised on GT7 in its own right.

[@Lava-Puperze]

I made the update and had no expectations in terms of force feedback. Thought it was just for the oscillation in menus. But something has changed yeah...some days before the update I was tweaking my settings for the wheelbase and in game. I thought I found a good allround setting but recognized that it depends heavily on the car...so I was constantly switching between in game torque settings 2 - 4 and Wheelbase Mode E and P. So today I wanted to find settings for gr.4 cars. And I could feel more weight and was able to catch the car better when it began to slip. It felt definitely different than the other day. I thought it had to do with the gr.4 cars but then I hopped into a few cars from the first session. And they feel different. Definitely better. Hard to define but the inertia settings does something. I changed friction from low/mid to off and inertia to mid and cranked up some other settings that I had reduced before. Just give this wheel time and some more updates.

[@thecasualracinggamer]

Appreciate the confirmation that I'm not crazy and something definitely changed in the feeling of the wheel.

[@Lava-Puperze]

@thecasualracinggamer It's too noticeable, it's not only a little placebo effect. Not night and day but noticeable. I'm curious if it also improves other games like ACC on ps5, this was really bad tbh. Here are my settings for GT7: Ingame Vibration 75 Steering Sensitivity 6 Torque 3 Feedback Sensitivity 1. Wheel Base FFB 3 Master 100 Mode E Inertia Mid Friction off BLow+2 BHigh+1 Speed Ext Damper 0% Spring - don't change it! The game submits the right setting (in my case between 0 and 15%) Gear Jolt Mid End Stop Mid.

[@frogboyx1Gaming]

Awesome brother so happy you got the firmware update the 2.6 update is when I started feeling more comfortable with recommending the T598 over the T-GT II.

[@thecasualracinggamer]

It felt very different after updating it from how it felt a few weeks back when I last used it.

[@frogboyx1Gaming]

@thecasualracinggamer it definitely feels much better I noticed it as I was doing my T598 vs T-GT II video going back to the T-GT II after a month on the T598 was awkward

[@awakeandwatching953]

@@frogboyx1Gaming unfortunately GT7 just doesn't have very good FFB.. not to say it isnt fun but in terms of dynamic range and infomation being given through the ffb it just isnt great.. its a real shame AMS2 isnt gonna be ported to console as thats a sim that would do very well on console but is forgiving enough compared to say LMU that a lot of people coming from GT would get on with it fairly quickly if you end up trying AMS2 defo try some of the custom ffb files.. the one gamer muscle did a video on that reduces the ffb to the pure signal coming from the steering rack has made hell of a change for me

[@markomarko3450]

​@@awakeandwatching953the answer is T-GT2

[@Steve_Fractals]

Thanks for the update and look forward to further reports. As I've said, I'm waiting for the base only option but my confidence is growing again 👍 Have you tried the gear clunck setting yet (I may have missed you talking about it), as people say that puts a satisfying vibration through the wheel and rig?

[@thecasualracinggamer]

Yeah. The gear jolt is strong and will shake your rig on gear shifts.

[@kylemanning193]

Wonder if it improved with ACC on PS5

[@j.o.e2759]

Hi Cas. I watch your vids because of your openness and honesty. Love your vids and reviews. Keep 'em coming.

[@thecasualracinggamer]

Thanks. Appreciate that.

[@Korrik7]

So glad you tried the new update. Yeah i definitely noticed the difference from 1.98. Also not sure if this was present before, but under heavy breaking, im feeling some bumping on mine near the end of the breaking, like the tires are skipping on the assphalt. Reminded me of my srt4 in my college years. Loving it!

[@hYpYz]

Your previous remarks gave me pause about buying it but recently I decided to jump in anyway....if it only weren't out of stock all the time in the UK :D Possibly by the time it will be in stock they might offer base only.

[@thecasualracinggamer]

What are you currently using?

[@Valvey789]

This wheelbase has a big diameter at only 5 nm. Why do we assume they can follow up with a higher torque version that isn't any wider? I also hear that they tend to get hot.

[@thecasualracinggamer]

It's a good point, but why would they jump to new tech that has no room to grow from here and already maxed out? That would be one strange move if they didn't plan to grow on this tech. I hope upping the power doesn't mean upping the size because they have to realize the size and design is probably one the most hated things about the wheel.

[@Lee.b190]

I have a T-GT2 paired with the F1000 F1 wheel and I’m very happy with this I think I will wait for full compatibility with GT7 to see if the T598 is better. Thanks for the review

[@thecasualracinggamer]

I don't necessarily think it will get better than a T-GT II. It will be a different experience. Offers a different feeling. It's not as powerful, but at least now there feels like there is resistance and weight to the wheel, making it a more enjoyable experience than before.

[@jasonduncan3194]

I'm still not sold on the 598 and will be sticking with tgt2 until they come out with something more.tgt2 is fine for now and that's an understatement. Just wanted to say thank you for taking time for us.

[@thecasualracinggamer]

Yeah. I don't see a reason to dump the T-GT II for it. The T-GT II offers an amazing experience, especially in GT7. If they released the T598 as an 8nm wheelbase, then I think we would have a clear winner to choose here.

[@jasonduncan3194]

@thecasualracinggamer absolutely 💯

[@clacky78]

Glad the update has improved it Cas, agree the base should be sold separately straight away. Still not enough out there to say its worth the jump from the tgtii though. Why thrustmaster can't add console support for the t818 ill never know, it has 10NM.

[@thecasualracinggamer]

Find it very strange they didn't make the base only available at launch.

[@awakeandwatching953]

its 10nm sustained so it should peak at at least 12nm.. i wonder if its to do with the inability to change many setting from on the base? or they just didnt think their would be a big enough market to justify the licensing? or you will get a console release once they nail down the t598 so they have a proper range on console?.. who knows but they defo lost out to logitech in the console market

[@clacky78]

@awakeandwatching953 well they have gone from competing with fanatec with the tgtii to jumping in at entry level where logitec where and now Logitec DD is twice the price. I'm hoping this is the upgrade for the t300RS and a second level T818 is on the way to replace the tgtii. It could be that they are developing one with the newer tech of the t598 as 818 is standard DD tech 🤞

[@ErdemkemalBugün]

Pier pressure from TM?

[@thecasualracinggamer]

Yup, you got me. They have me on speed dial every time I put out a video.

[@garryburns6659]

I'll stick with my tgt any day its got just the right amount of power and the defuser makes it the best wheel I've tried to date, stay with the tgt much better l reckon👍🙂🚘🚖

[@thecasualracinggamer]

There is no reason to switch from a T-GT II to a T598 unless there is something you didn't like about it. For any lower end wheel, without a doubt the T598 will be an upgrade and I can say that with more confidence now after the update.

[@frogboyx1Gaming]

The Red mode is for PS5

[@sidneyrecco]

Very informative video, I have a lot of questions about this model. I don't know if you've ever used the T300rs GT, would it be a good option to exchange my T300rs GT for the T598? Its price is very attractive, but I need to be careful with my spending lol. Regards.

[@thecasualracinggamer]

I've used a T300. It overheated. Couldn't actually use it to its full potential because of that. Returned it in a week. I think the T598 would be an upgrade.

[@sidneyrecco]

@@thecasualracinggamer Thanks man!

[@thecasualracinggamer]

No problem.

[@Biertackter]

Hi It's definitely an upgrade. I drove the t300 for 2.5 years and thought it was great. But the t598 is a big leap. It's not incredibly strong, but the force feedback is so fine and pointed. simply great!

[@sidneyrecco]

@@Biertackter thanks man!

[@eduardoaviles3777]

What are your settings on it? I cant get it to work great with my settings

[@thecasualracinggamer]

Everything pumped up. Insertia on high. Friction on medium. Damper zero. Torque in game on 5-6 for GT3 and GT4 car. Sensitivity on 1.

[@eduardoaviles3777]

@thecasualracinggamer thanks a lot. It did make it better. Although Gr 1 cars are still undrivable on straights. Oscillation is crazy strong.

[@foilhat]

But can you put a TG-T II wheel on a T598 base?

[@thecasualracinggamer]

Thrustmaster page should show which wheels the adapter supports. Honestly, the T-GT II is kind of small. I think folks would enjoy using a larger wheel.

[@drajmon6508]

You have absolute right

[@andrewharvey585]

Is anybody else having issues updating tbe firmware? When i power the base back up after engaging boot mode my laptop isnt picking up the wheelbase. Tried numerous usb ports and both the Thrustmaster Panel and thr driver method. Anybody got any workarounds?

[@thecasualracinggamer]

I think you need to click the next button after the initial instructions before you put it into bootloader mode.

[@andrewharvey585]

@thecasualracinggamer thanks for the quick reply. I have literally just done it via the Firmware Updater programme. I noticed when I engaged boot mode asap after turning the base off then turning it back on again really quickly once I confirmed the screen was black, it was only then that my laptop seemed to pick the base up again. Firmware installed first time then. Keep up the good videos 👍🏻

[@ganthony248]

How do I update the wheel on ps5

[@thecasualracinggamer]

You need to do it on a computer.

[@TheLanieKid]

Out of stock until next year !

[@thecasualracinggamer]

That stinks. Well at least next year is pretty close.

[@yampieltoledogarcia1312]

Hey Question What update You Guys Have ? i just bought mine yesturday i Have Firmware 1.83 Do i need to update it ??

[@thecasualracinggamer]

Yes you do. I don't remember the exact number but it's 2. something.

[@yampieltoledogarcia1312]

@@thecasualracinggamer thank you i really need to then

[@PanzerMagnet]

The latest is 2.07

[@awakeandwatching953]

every new wheel base should have its firmware updated

[@mattylight8600]

Is it best to run in red mode or blue mode for GT7?

[@thecasualracinggamer]

Playstation Mode 2 - Red

[@LasseGee]

Thrustmaster Website says always use Blue Mode ! Red is for the Future.

[@JtotheM]

Red mode

[@mattylight8600]

@@LasseGeeI have heard that as well.

[@larryconroy1944]

I'm buying the t598 and I don't have a PS, I have a PC, the problem I have is I purchased a Moza r3, heck of a deal, the software and firmware vanished on my screen, and what i did see of it was in Chinese, case closed, I decided to go with this Thrustmaster t598 because of ease of use. I never played Race games, MSFS, XPLANE, DC ETC. Ordering Chinese Crap you have to deal with their language, Thrustmaster is a breath of fresh air. I like the newer Tech and the updates will fix the issues and it will be getting better all the time, its not going away.

[@awakeandwatching953]

its gonna be positioned as their primary base so support should be good.. i do wonder if that bases tech can do far more than this version shows.. like will we get a 10nm base thats the same size with bigger psu and more cooling.. they cant scale it up because it would get to big which makes me thing the servo is actually more powerful.. kind of like how higher end wheel bases like the asatek range are all the same size with just slightly different components and the toque level artificialy limited in the lower end bases compared to their 27nm monster

[@thecasualracinggamer]

Have people had issues with Moza equipment? They seem to offer good equipment at good prices. Of course people can have issues with any equipment no matter how expensive it may be or who manufacturers it.

[@larryconroy1944]

@@thecasualracinggamer Plug and Play shouldn't mean get a pc so you can download the drivers and firmware, most people are not pc geeks, they are average people that just want to use it not make it work.

[@thecasualracinggamer]

@@larryconroy1944 Well, that's why I love using a console now for sim racing.

[@flaw3dgenius222]

This wheel seems a massive disappointment on PS5 so far...hopefully its at a great level now as i really wanted to pick this up. Can you see the bottom of your screen when using this base? Look forward to the follow up vid.

[@thecasualracinggamer]

I race in VR, so it's not an issue for me. If I use it on my screen, my screen is raised so it doesn't affect me. It will depend on your setup.

[@acebirdjohn]

Damnit, you just convinced me not to buy it, now I'm back to being on the fence.

[@thecasualracinggamer]

LOL, sorry. I was not expecting what I felt after doing the update. It felt much made usable to me now. Won't feel as strong as a T-GT II, but it feels at a level of good enough now.

[@acebirdjohn]

@thecasualracinggamer no problem! It's a good thing you came back on your original take and I think a lot of your original critique still stands. I'll be riding my g29 until there is official support in GT7!

[@lilpup316]

I've been a huge fan of your videos, mainly because of your honesty and energy. You seemed off in this video. I just hope you stay true to who you are, some of us really appreciate that...just saying

[@thecasualracinggamer]

If I didn't put out this video with my opinion after trying the wheel with the new firmware, I would not have been true to myself and left off with a video not representing my current thought. I like to be transparent. I owe that to this community and those who have supported the channel by just watching my videos.

[@1cerecords]

oh we getting a lil froggy now lol. ngl i liked your last take better but i don't blame you at all, cant bite the hand that feed you i guess.

[@thecasualracinggamer]

I don't really need any company to feed me. I am going to be honest about a product whether good or bad. The wheel feels better after the firmware update. I just put my last video back up though because I feel like I need to prove it has nothing to do what what Thrustmaster sees me saying. The wheel wasn't great before the update. Felt much better now.

[@hotmetalslugs]

What?

[@1cerecords]

​@@thecasualracinggamer lol to be fair i'd probably be more biased if tm sent me one to review but thats why i like your channel for your honestly and insight. anyway keep up the good work!

[@thecasualracinggamer]

@1cerecords My initial reviews of the T598 were not glowing. I literally went back to the T-GT II and made a video about it. If I was worried about what Thrustmaster thought, I would never have said the things I did. I'm not worried about keeping sponsorships. I'm more worried about my reputation and being truthful.

[@minners71]

@OP The wheel has proper GT7 support now so of course it's going to feel better and it's only fair that a reviewer should go back and update his reaction.

[@scibbo3966]

I sorry after watching both video's this is suss... Almost like Thrustmaster saw your last video got pissed off, contacted you and threatened to pull sponsorship or the gifts provided for content. You don't sound genuine in what you are saying compared to you original video you pulled down...

[@thecasualracinggamer]

My last video was before updating the wheel. I wanted to be truthful after the update and only updated it after reading some comments people left. Honestly, I don't need Thrustmaster to send me anything and most likely after my initail videos of the T598, they probably scratched me off their list anyways.

[@clacky78]

I don't think that is fair, I was one of the one's who commented checking he had updated as I have been following reviews on this wheel wondering whether to jump from tgtii. And everyone had said the update had improved feedback.

[@thecasualracinggamer]

@clacky78 Thanks! Your comment was one of them that pushed me to do it. If there was a change due to the update, I didn't feel like I was being fair in my first video. Not to Thrustmaster but to my audience.

[@hanshansen3948]

Bla bla bla, content just to waste peoples time. TM offers a starter pack to have fun, not worry about some living room racing pro‘s who already have load-cell pedals - who cares.

[@thecasualracinggamer]

Your coolness level is a 10. 🔥

[@josephrivera4065]

😂

[@thijsazerty692]

Typical TM to wait with 'just the base'. I'm very glad I completely dropped their products. Their strategy has never been customer friendly