Did The TWO-TAILED FOX Surge Mod Issue Get Fixed?

[@IronworkerGaming]

📣📣📣There has been some concern expressed regarding the Ignition damage being bugged. To my understanding the bug is causing Ignition damage to decrease as multiple Ignitions are proced on a single target. To safeguard the testing results from this issue, I did reset the encounter before each test. There was certainly something odd happening with the Triple Solar Surge Mods, but I'll double check things after the November Patch goes live that should fix the problem and keep you posted. 🍻

[@thelonelywhale219]

Honestly have not touched it for a while and only recently got TFS with the Titan chest armor and I want to play around with it

[@ITheNameless]

Now hear me out, sanguine (solar) + 3 void surges

[@IronworkerGaming]

Ohhhh!! My interest is piqued! I'll have to give that a go! 👍👍

[@headhunter179]

That was my first thought as well

[@taylormorgan3669]

I was about to say this

[@Jas-j2y]

to add to that, foetracer with an ability matching each might actually give you x4 of each. possibly.

[@KaiHarizor]

Hmm, this is an excellent idea. Need to try that out.

[@Kaevannan]

Solar ignitions are bugged and deal less damage vs bosses per solar ignition the boss takes. I don't know if they fixed it yet, but that could be why the triple solar surge isn't giving the most damage output. The bug is because of the first Vesper's Host boss; the DR was intended for that boss only to prevent chain ignitions from insta-killing it. Tether + dragon's breath would have been utterly absurd for that.

[@Kaevannan]

Bungie mentioned planning to fix it mid-November, if I recall correctly.

[@Kaevannan]

Update: I just checked ignition damage vs the first prophecy dungeon boss. At base, it's around 34000, but every instance drops the damage, with the minimum damage being around 882. That means that bosses only take ~2.5% damage from ignitions right now, once the DR caps out. RIP rapid-fire ignition builds.

[@Kaevannan]

Eyyyy, thanks for the like, mate.

[@IronworkerGaming]

There was certainly something odd going on with the Triple Solar Surges. I did what I could to safeguard the results from the Ignition bug by only causing one and then resetting the encounter, but maybe real root the issue is triggered through a damage threshold being crossed? That's just speculation on my part though. 👍👍

[@Kaevannan]

@@IronworkerGaming Could be. Either way, I can't wait for ignitions to be fixed. Chain ignition builds are so fun for GMs.

[@ShadowNemesis575]

So you're telling me I have another reason to swap back to 3 tailed fox when I notice a teammate also has dragon's breath equipped? Dope. I just started helping my GF learn/make some non warlock builds and since she leans towards exotic heavies 3 tailed was the first thing I sent her to.

[@IronworkerGaming]

@@ShadowNemesis575 Absolutely! Any reason to get TTF in my hands is a good reason, as far as I'm concerned! 😂

[@DanYami]

still waiting for a "three tailed fox" ornament

[@zebrastripe665]

TTF didn't deserve losing its voltshot scalar

[@IronworkerGaming]

@@zebrastripe665 Right!? That Jolt damage used to be amazing! 👍🏻👍🏻

[@Admiral_Mikey]

Could you explain what that means to me? What is scalar in this context, and how did TTF perform before and after losing it?

[@IronworkerGaming]

​@@Admiral_Mikey Jolt damage scaled differently with various weapons. It used to be extremely high on Two-Tailed allowing it to hit for over 20k damage per Jolt (if I'm remembering my numbers correctly). The 5000 that we're seeing now I do believe is simply the base Jolt damage.

[@Gamer3427]

Good to know. I don't usually use exotic heavy weapons, since I prefer my exotic to be something I'm using constantly, but Two-Tailed Fox is one of only a few I do occasionally bring into my rotation, (Leviathan's Breath and Thunderlord being the other two main ones).

[@IronworkerGaming]

I know what you mean! I generally have a hard time prying Graviton Lance out of my hands, but I was willing to do it for Two-Tailed! 😂🍻

[@linhnguyenthai872]

this video really show exactly how to "test" a weapon raw number everything connect to it calculate thinking why it change and over summary keep up good work my man, i know it take alot of time for research but damn this is real work, not like some "streamer" shotting random shit to templa and call it a day

[@IronworkerGaming]

It really makes me happy that you can appreciate the process! It is tedious, but I've always done my best to include solid data in the videos. Awesome to hear from you, and I hope you've been well! 😁🍻

[@JaySouth_QC]

Your right they are so bad some time at doin damage review (not every streamers, some are decent and take the time)

[@linhnguyenthai872]

@@JaySouth_QC i also do testing and build craft but my clan is not very interested about it much, they only care about final number and meta. I don't blame them about it but it's feel lonely when do it alone man. It's like I'm the only one in the clan cursed with wisdom and curiosity.

[@ITheNameless]

​@@linhnguyenthai872 I feel you

[@ITheNameless]

Glad to see you in D2 again and HELL YEAH MY BABY IS BACK.

[@IronworkerGaming]

@@ITheNameless Thanks a lot! It is great to see that pesky Surge Mod bug cleared up! 😀👍🏻

[@bakupcpu]

so what i hear is.... Sanguine alchemy with well and 3 void mod!! Thanks for testing this for us!!!

[@IronworkerGaming]

You're very welcome! I did try this out with Sanguine last night, and everything's works together as it should! 😁🍻

[@bakupcpu]

@@IronworkerGaming Thanks!!

[@overkill2735]

Thanks for testing this out for us, I will now start making a build with this and Hazardous Propulsion Update: I forgot that Hazardous doesn't stack with Surges

[@IronworkerGaming]

Ahhh, that's right! I honestly forgot about that as well. You could always try something like Eteneral Warrior to sneak in a little extra damage. 👍👍

[@The5lacker]

*Most* Armor Mods apply weirdly to 2Tail tbh. Arc Reload (or Solar without catalyst), Void Reserves, etc. etc.

[@IronworkerGaming]

Having a weapon that simultaneously carries three elements does present a unique set of problems! 😂👍

[@The5lacker]

@@IronworkerGaming Three elements that change depending on whether it's loaded especially. Hardlight and family at least get to be consistent per-mode, this is the rare gun where handling can change whether or not you fired it the last time you put it away.

[@lance8785]

Wouldn't the solar rocket be doing a little less damage than usual right now since ignitions are bugged currently?

[@IronworkerGaming]

To my understanding, the issue with the ignitions is gradually decreasing damage with multiple ignitions against a single target. I did what I could to safeguard the results by only causing one and then resetting the encounter. Something funky could have been going on with the Triple Solar Surges though. Maybe the bug is actually triggered through a damage threshold being crossed? Just speculation on my part though. 👍👍

[@xAJAxY]

Thank you for the thorough testing. Good video on the topic of surges, full of information.

[@IronworkerGaming]

Really happy to hear that you enjoyed it man! 👍🍻

[@OsmarienBub]

Now, I have to give my Foetracer a try; void grenade and solar melee (or golden gun, while I'm at it) This is quite a news. “Looks like meat is back on the menu!”

[@IronworkerGaming]

@@OsmarienBub Hahaha! Enjoy that setup! It does sound quite nice! 👍🏻🍻

[@RALDSr]

I knew something was up. I don't do the patch notes. Thank you for this sir 😅 You have a new subscriber

[@IronworkerGaming]

Ayeee! I really appreciate the subscription, and I'm glad that I could shed some light on the matter! 😁🍻

[@KalosKitsune]

Two tailed fox is probably my favorite exotic. Idk why I just love it.

[@IronworkerGaming]

Same here!! 👍👍

[@zachlussier6424]

One of the best sounds in the game!

[@IronworkerGaming]

Absolutely! 👍👍

[@heyitskae]

Two Tailed Fox is unironically my favourite exotic and I can't fucking GET THE CATALYST

[@IronworkerGaming]

Ahhhh, that is a bummer! I really hope your luck turns around on that front! 👍👍

[@ConfusionPlus2]

Good testing as always!

[@IronworkerGaming]

@@ConfusionPlus2 Thank you very much! Glad to hear that you enjoyed it! 👍🏻👍🏻

[@carpenoctis]

Hello man, I just to say this video is awesome, thank you so much for this!

[@IronworkerGaming]

You're very welcome, and I'm happy to hear that you enjoyed it! 😁👍

[@jimmcmeen761]

Gre video man! What is the best element to use for the reload? I know you said in the past arc increased the reload speed. Has that changed at all or is still the way to go in that department?

[@IronworkerGaming]

@@jimmcmeen761 Thank you very much! Arc is still the way to go for the reload while Void seems to be the preferred element for dexterity, reserves, and scavenger. 👍🏻👍🏻

[@jimmcmeen761]

@@IronworkerGamingthanks man!!!

[@jaymliu1470]

Waiting for the dark version of it, like the 2 Foxed Tail

[@IronworkerGaming]

A Strand / Stasis RL would be pretty cool to see! 👍👍

[@stevex0821]

Craziest “hear me out” here. All this on void warlock. Nova bomb, weakening vortex grenade, and get this… dawn chorus. Scorch is improved, hence dealing more damage. Add a chill clip weapon in the mix to apply that darkness debuff and with the artifact mod the scorch jolt and ignitions will do increased damage. Idk if this is correct still or if it got changed but dawn chorus increases scorch damage by ~200%.

[@IronworkerGaming]

Sounds like everything lines up to me! That could be a really fun setup! 👍👍

[@YoHester]

How does this compare to dragons breathe for damage per rocket ? I play solo most of the time and rock that and it's great

[@IronworkerGaming]

I just ran some numbers on Dragons Breath...just keep in mind there is an issue with Ignition damage currently. One fully primed rocket did about 152k. I ran another test where I waited and then fired a second one as soon as it the Propellent hit 5x and 2 rockets did 293k in total. So rocket for rocket, Dragons Breath is dealing more damage. 👍👍

[@YoHester]

@@IronworkerGaming thanks so much !! And yeah I had seen that on their Twitter account I hope they fix it soon

[@I.G.G.G.]

excellent video! Greatly appreciate the thoroughness & energy! Sadly, noone should be using this

[@IronworkerGaming]

Really happy to hear that you enjoyed the video...but I think everyone could use some Two-Tailed Fox in their life every now and then! 😂🍻

[@cur1ous238]

Thanks for testing it again! :) Didn't know it got fixed.

[@IronworkerGaming]

Ayeee!! Great to hear from you! It is awesome to see that the pesky Surge Mod bug got patched up! 😁👍

[@shiftym1]

Well done! Doing some proper testing!

[@IronworkerGaming]

Thank you very much, and great to hear from you! It does take a fair amount of work to gather all the data, but I'm always happy to up in the time to try to do it right! 😁🍻

[@KaiHarizor]

Wow, this could be fun to mess around with. Neat video and testing.

[@IronworkerGaming]

Two-Tailed has always been on of my favorites! It might not find it's way into any "optimal DPS rotations," but seeing those three rockets spill out of the tube always puts a smile on my face! 😂🍻

[@the_filthy_macgyver]

Thank you for this video. I put two-tailed in the vault a while back. Time to dust it off.

[@IronworkerGaming]

Absolutely man! Two-Tailed has always been one of my favorites! While it may never make it's way into any "optimal damage rotations" I've always had a blast using it! 😁🍻

[@giannispero2718]

Random question. When they made the solar and arc rockets fire separately, did that lower the dps?

[@IronworkerGaming]

Maybe ever so slightly since it does take an extra moment for a third rocket to touch off. I wouldn't think that it would be a major difference though. 👍👍

[@kevkevgun]

Thank you for testing,so when I never use it I know 😂

[@IronworkerGaming]

@@kevkevgun Hahaha. "The more you know..." jingle played in my head when I read your comment! 😂🍻

[@fadeddragon123]

Breaks from the game are a needed thing. I’ve been playing Warframe dead by daylight and elder scrolls online Of course in Warframe I get burnt out quickly. No endgame content. Plus I have everything already. I get the new things every update and take a break (the same issue people have with d2) I’m trying to get my dungeon quest done and then I’ll LFG some runs

[@IronworkerGaming]

Absolutely! After playing Destiny for so long, I sometimes hit the "I just can't" point, and I'm not going to try to force myself to keep playing. It always feel nice coming back to the game after I've stepped away for a while though! 😁👍

[@GregChase-m4u]

Is scorch still bugged? that may be the issue with the double ignitions

[@IronworkerGaming]

That definitely could be contributing to the issue. I wouldn't have thought so since the Ignition damage in the other cases lined up, but there is a possibility that something funky is happening when the third Solar Surge mod is applied. 👍👍

[@Screeno1993]

The ignition damage bug is not getting fixed until the mid November patch

[@thesweeper8141]

Thank you for your excellent video breakdown, I really am torn between TTF and Dragons Breath, but I do like that TTF rockets track. Keep up good work 👏.

[@imnotsmart1327]

eternal warrior on a exotic class item is really nice if using solar super to get more out of the surge letting some more wiggle room

[@IronworkerGaming]

Very true!! 👍👍

[@imbreaden]

Does this mean that a foetracer with solar grenade, smoke bomb and the arc dodge aspect can get X4 all surges? Wouldn’t that be insane?

[@IronworkerGaming]

I will say that I tried it out with Sanguine Alchemy on Warlock, which is conceptually similar , and it did indeed work! 👍👍

[@Samsonfs]

I really hope they make it so of facet of command refills your gun as you start reloading it could cancel the animation automatically, I find myself "ghost" reloading a lot when utilising command.

[@IronworkerGaming]

@@Samsonfs I catch myself doing the same thing sometimes! 😂 It would be very nice if it just stop the animation. 👍🏻👍🏻

[@Samsonfs]

@IronworkerGaming yeah you can stop it by sprinting, but it's not always an option like if you're slowed by colossus rockets ect

[@lazinessincarnate9442]

Wait, does spirit of the eternal warrior stack with the other surges on two tailed fox?

[@IronworkerGaming]

I tried something similar with Sanguine Alchemy which provided me with a 4x Solar Surge, and then stacked 3 Void Surges on my boots, and both rockets did see their damage increased. 👍👍

[@wally8469]

Could the math on the 3 solar mods be incorrect because of the ignition bug that half's ignition damage each time you hit the same enemy with an ignition?

[@IronworkerGaming]

That could be playing a roll. I aimed to avoid the issue by resetting the encounter every time and only caused ignition per test, but maybe there could be some damage threshold was crossed that nullified part of the damage. That's just speculation on my part, but it certainly was odd that the damage dropped so significantly with 3 Solar Surges. 👍👍

[@ClairvoyantLastrus]

So you didn't show it but I assume having 3 void or solar surges is just worse then 2 solar and 1 void?

[@IronworkerGaming]

Correct. Two of one and one of the other was netting me a good bit more damage. 👍👍

[@ClairvoyantLastrus]

@IronworkerGaming gotcha, tyyy one of my favorite heavy weapons

[@zferolie]

You know i was just thinking the other day if they fixed these surge mods. Glad you did the testing to see. I'll probably do 2 solar since i plan to pair it with nullify which i have been loving. Plus with that fragment fixed where the cd is only 4 seconds or so it does make it pretty easy to get a few procs of the auto reload during the rocket boosting buff. Now, i am very curious if you also tested reserve, reload, and scavenger mods. I cant remember if there were issues with that as well, and which do you want to equip.

[@IronworkerGaming]

I did have every intention of checking up on the rest of the mods...but honestly...I forgot to! 😅 I'll have to try them out a little later on today. It has been really nice having the Surge Mods functional again, and I love Bungie's decision to lower the auto-reload lockout on Command and Domineering down to 4 seconds! It was definitely a huge pick-me-up for Two-Tailed! 😄👍

[@zferolie]

@IronworkerGaming as a fellow two tailed enjoying its great to see it actually working now. Plus with dom having such a shorter CD now lets the weapon feel a lot better and get the most out of it. Sadly the only time i see other using the fox is during witness cheese to break his buttons before the encounter starts. But yeah if you do those tests let me know so i know which to equip.

[@IronworkerGaming]

It's looking like it prefers Void Mods, except for Loader which works with Arc. I was not able to get a Holster mod to work with it at all though. 👍👍

[@zferolie]

@IronworkerGaming thanks for checking, ill be sure to get the void reserve mods at least, maybe 1 arc reloader for when your fragment is on CD

[@BlaqAdam]

You are definitely the only person concerned about this issue lol

[@IronworkerGaming]

Hahaha. I am aware. 😂👍

[@nicopootato2330]

So... is it better than other GLs or Rockets?

[@IronworkerGaming]

It better than some, but not as good as others. 😂 Is it a top-tier meta weapon...no, but it can put in some work with the right setup. 👍👍

[@ImmaculateOtter]

Is Two-Tailed a competitive option right now?

[@IronworkerGaming]

With the right setup in the right situation, it can do some work, but it really has never been a top tier meta contender. 👍👍

[@tylerlloydboone]

Love this rocket! Thanks for the breakdown! Do you have any interest in testing mountain top and or rocket sidearms in PVP? I can’t find a reliable source for those weapons. 😊

[@IronworkerGaming]

You're very welcome! Two-Tailed has always been one of my favorites! Unfortunately, I'm getting to the point where I feel like I've "aged out" of PvP. My skills aren't what they used to be when I was a younger man, and I just can't keep pace with these kids these days! 😅 If I ever do end up having a look at either Mountaintop or Rocket Sidearms though, I'll be sure to run the PvP numbers for them. 😁👍

[@tylerlloydboone]

@@IronworkerGamingGotcha I am damn near 40 and just don’t flick like I used to.

[@IronworkerGaming]

I know exactly what you mean. I just rolled 40 last year!

[@meatball5598]

ohohohoho now do hazardous propultion with it, i wanna see if exodus rockets works on it- i would assume so as i've used tt fox and pumped out some nasty damage with ta on titan

[@IronworkerGaming]

That would provide a nice bit of extra damage!! The 35% bonus that the exotic can provide is very substantial! 👍👍

[@meatball5598]

good to know I had a good line of thinking behind it, the three separate light debuffs are super nice for getting transcendence

[@lavender3553]

what if you yoused battle harmony to get a 4x sure for voild and then have 3 solar ones

[@IronworkerGaming]

I tried something similar out with Sanguine Alchemy last night (which also provides a 4X Surge) and it did work, so everything should play out just fine with MoBH as well! 👍👍

[@SomeBllackGuy]

ok ok, can you use FOETRACER with this?!

[@IronworkerGaming]

I would assume so. I'm not well versed in the ways of the Hunter, but I was able to get a 4x Solar Surge from Sanguine Alchemy and combine that with a 3x Void Surge from the armor mods, and the damage from both rockets was increased accordingly. 👍👍

[@SomeBllackGuy]

@IronworkerGaming I just tested this , and you infact CAN get the x4 Solar, Void, and Arc going. Using Foetracer + Star eaters class item

[@IronworkerGaming]

@@SomeBllackGuy Nice!! That's a win for the Hunters!! Thanks for sharing the testing! 😁👍

[@noahedenborg4221]

honestly kinda want it to fire strand and stasis rockets as well

[@IronworkerGaming]

That would be pretty wild!! 😂👍

[@axelkusanagi4139]

What loader should I use on the legs though?

[@IronworkerGaming]

I was just looking into this. For the most part, Void is the element it prefers (reserves, scavenger, dexterity), but the Arc Loader mods will allow it to reload faster, and Holster mods don't seem to work at all. Hope that helps. 👍👍

[@axelkusanagi4139]

@IronworkerGaming That's not fair after they nerfed Facet of Command

[@IronworkerGaming]

Thankfully, the did reduce the auto-reload cooldown on Facet of Command to 4 seconds recently! Definitely not as nice as it was when it was unchecked, but way better than 10 seconds! 😂

[@axelkusanagi4139]

@@IronworkerGaming If that's true, then I can work with this

[@nrdscott]

Ignitions are bugged so your damage was also

[@IronworkerGaming]

@@nrdscott I think we're actually ok here. To my understanding, the Ignition bug is causing the damage to decrease when multiple ignitions are proced on a single target. Since every test was in a fresh instance, I'm thinking we're good. 👍🏻👍🏻

[@glowiboi]

thank you

[@IronworkerGaming]

You are very welcome! Thanks for checking out the video! 😁🍻

[@MrMightyZ]

An excellent video!

[@IronworkerGaming]

Thank you very much man! Happy to hear that you enjoyed it! 👍🍻

[@BogoljubTeofilovic]

great video!

[@IronworkerGaming]

Thank you very much! Glad to hear that you enjoyed it! 😁👍

[@Yutoferrer1]

Try hunter prism with foetracer smoke bomb and solar nade with 3 arc surges if the game works this should be 4x surge for solar and void with 3x on arc

[@IronworkerGaming]

Ohhh!! While is has been a very long time since I hopped onto my Hunter, that could end up being a very significant damage increase! I might have to look into that! 👍👍

[@placeheld9232]

Do know that wipe screen dmg isnt accurate

[@IronworkerGaming]

When I physically count every damage tick that rolls off an enemy, and it lines up exactly with the wipe screen damage, that accurate for all intents and purposes. 👍👍

[@adamb.c.1553]

Good job 👏

[@IronworkerGaming]

Thank you very much! 👍🍻

[@michaelhelms5899]

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[@TragicChaosx]

Good video brother! Good to see you again!🍻 Hope that all is well and that you are doing well! We definitely have to play together, you and i are friends too. Its Tragic Chaosx

[@IronworkerGaming]

That's a lot man, and great to see you too! After a nice long break from Destiny, it does feel good to get back to it! Feel free to hit me up anytime you see me on. I can't promise that I'll always be able to play, I can sneak in some playtime every now and then! 😂🍻