Did The Who End With Keith Moon’s Death? And Keith Moon vs John Bonham!

[@royceinthehouse842]

Good conversation here, Michael. Thanks for showing this part of the show. The entire show is worth a watch and has done well.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Just my way of honoring your fabulous channel brother! This was video number 1200 for the channel! I grabbed the story within the story for this one Royce! I put a link in my description box for your channel to that specific video! Glad ya liked itbrother! 👌👍❤️🏆

[@werewolvesofsanger4649]

Roger said after Keith died " What people must understand is that it's never going to be the same. That died."

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

A great quote Werewolves! ❤

[@joebarr725]

The Who didn't die, but their spirit did. They were never the same after Moon's passing.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

👌

[@andrewmacdonald3667]

Townshend recently said that the last time he was pleased with his playing was at ‘Desert Trip’ 2016. So I’m glad I saw that show!

[@johngalt5411]

Not sure where I first heard this but always felt it was so true, "change the drummer, change the band".

[@fchampd4512]

Yes

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

❤👌

[@rinkrat06]

I was too young to see Keith I was 9 when he died. I saw the who in 1989 and 1996 the tommy and quadrophenia reunion tours and Pete, Roger and the Ox were great Rest In Peace John thanks for the memories Pete & Roger!

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

I was actually at the Cow Palace in their original Quadrophenia tour when Moon passed out on stage Rink! They called a kid outta the audience to finish the set brother! But right ip to the fisticuffs he was awesome! ❤

[@lib556]

@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine In my face again. I've commented on your story before and about my subsequent envy. Not only did you see the band with Moon, you saw that iconic show. I believe the kid's name was Halprin (I served in the army with a guy of that name... that's how I remember it). Tragically, he passed fairly young.

[@JeffWalker-9563]

In a word, yes.

[@adamfindlay7091]

The Who went on. But it ws bound by industry standard to REUNITE for an event/ tour. But, as a force/album concept, yes...and changing drummers absolutely affects not only the sound of a song but the creative direction of a rock group.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Perfectly said Adam, and especially true when concerning Moon the Loon brother! ❤

[@Fuxerz]

When John, especially John on that bass guitar, was special. He invented roto sound round wound strings. Distorted bass guitar. I feel that he always gets overlooked.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Amen to that Fuxerz! A BIG Amen!❤❤❤

[@aminahmed2220]

Awesome video have a great weekend Michael and Royce also the who was not the same after legendary Keith died or what we call him moon the loon ❤😢

[@aaronknight9759]

Keith brought the major party into The Who, but when he left there was a decent after party where we talked about how good the main party was. John Bonham had a focused power in his playing, but with triplet flourish’s that created extra excitement, all the while sitting on a heavy groove. Keith had constant wildness, but we saw his lovable youth really shine until he got too deep into his addictions. Sad to see both gone way to soon. Regarding the impact on a group with changing members, there often is a new era that gives new direction that is wonderful and becomes a staple to the sound. Not everyone wants to accept this but often new fans are attracted bringing fresh energy to the shows. The downside can be the Brand becomes a nostalgia act.

[@jeffreyflint6286]

I loved it way more till Keith passed. Bonham will always be number one to me. Too mamy drummers to list that i I love. Ginger Baker blew me away. Neil Peart. And many, many more. Great discussion guys. 👍👍

[@tylerjsmithers8385]

My top 10 rock drummers: John Bonham, Neal Peart, Keith Moon, Phil Collins, Ginger Baker, Stewart Copeland, Mitch Mitchell, Bill Bruford, Ringo Starr, Charlie Watts

[@clydekimsey7503]

As a non musician, i take bass players and drummers for granted--until they're gone😢

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

A common malady suffered by many Clyde!😂❤

[@c.7610]

The Who didn’t die with Moon. They changed. It wasn’t just Moon’s death-the songwriting changed too (hard to imagine “Don’t Let Go the Coat” with Moon!). In that period they became a different kind of rock band, for better or worse.

[@scottrap]

Michael, here’s the unwritten rule among us fans. It seems that the bands that have four members or less aren’t allowed to switch out any personnel. Bands with at least five members, like the Rolling Stones can make changes to their heart’s content. And now, even with Wyman and Watts gone, the band is still going.

[@bruceanderson2103]

By 1978 Keith Moon wasn't really Keith Moon anymore. It was reported that he had a hard time getting through the Who Are You sessions,. If he had lived would he have been able to tour anymore? Either way that version of the Who may have already been gone.

[@QuarrellaDeVil]

Yeah, by all accounts, he ran out of steam on them throughout, and even the last show at Shepperton was supposed to have been a struggle for him to keep it together. There had also been some conversations about firing him. I'd love to hear some of the studio conversation from the "Who Are You" sessions, especially when an exasperated Keith shouted that he was still the world's best Keith Moon-type drummer. Then again, any of that stuff probably puts him and the band in a bad light, like the "Let It Be" movie did some years ago.

[@ericfroshnider3524]

Don't forget Ian Paice Deep Purple and the definitive Yes was on Close to the Edge. 16:05 The thing the Bonham as great as he was would have sucked with the Who. The Who needed Moon.Both bands .memberships were miraculous in their perfection

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

One of my Top 10 Eric! ❤

[@steverobertson6748]

Buddy Rich needs to be in list of top ten drummers ,,actually influenced alot of the greats 👍

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Buddy Rich was a powerhouse behind the kit Steve! 👌❤🏆

[@robertorivera1778]

For me Carl Palmer should be on the top 10 best rock drummers?

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

A pioneer Robert!❤

[@craigphillips6308]

Ian Paice of Deep Purple was masterful. Every bit as good any of the drummers mentioned here.

[@stevenbranagh6434]

Bill Ward and Geeza Butler are very underrated. Amazing rhythm section. Very jazzy and being metal at the same time.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

I so agree there Steve! Royce & I have mention that several times on his stream brother! ❤

[@Lemonheater2010]

jeff procaro is a good thought in all this conversation..

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Yes he is LemonHeatrr!❤

[@Lemonheater2010]

@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine for the last while now - Ive always thought you just cant put pearts name in a best drummer list.. theres too much about his percussion to explain why.. rush is an all instrument lead band.. everything is a lead instrument at one expression or another.. truly phenomenal.. always saying something in percussion for the sake of the songs

[@steverobertson6748]

Seen Keith just before he passed in Toronto,,my fav concert Of all time ..j Giels, Heart and The Who

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Great mentions Steve! ❤

[@blackjackmusic1107]

They were still kinda The Who after Moon passed. They put out Eminence Front...A great track, but they never sounded the same.

[@tektoniks_architects]

For me, yes. Moon was essential to what "The Who" was. And I agree with you, Michael, that while Moon was not quite the drummer that John Bonham was, the distance between them was not as far apart as what some suggested in the comments. I actually have The Who as my personal no. 4 band of all time, just a slight notch below my top 3. Happy New Year, Michael!

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Good to hear from ya Ernie! Yeah, so far the comments have been a bit critical of Keith. Most basing there comments on his skills very late in the games while I judge him in his prime brother! ❤

[@esoomynona5813]

Phil Collins.. BUT only in his work with Brand X

[@garnerearp9474]

Niel pert not in your top five? Ever seen him live? RIP Professor.

[@murraymaunder8754]

Billy Cobham, Michael Walden, Vinnie Colaiuta, Steve Gadd, Bill Bruford, Phil Collins, never even considering some of the early jazz drummers like Krupa. It's far from settled who was the greatest, we should just appreciate them for their uniqueness.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Excellent candidates Murray! ❤

[@ohsoedgy6888]

@@murraymaunder8754 The influence Krupa,Buddy Rich and Elvin Jones have on Rock drummers is insane!

[@robertsaul234]

If Pete's Empty Glass and Chinese Eyes material had made it onto Who albums it could have been a new beginning.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Great examples Robert! ❤

[@TheRollingStoness]

Its subjective, to me , Pete started writing songs tailored to regular robotic type of drumming every one do...Pete is a genius...of course i love the Keith Moon era albums more.

[@doctordetroit4339]

The Who was awesome, but regardless of whether Moon was in the band or not, the solo projects of Roger and Pete ended the who for the most part. I liked the Who stuff of the early 80s. They evolved past the loss of Moon, which wasn't easy to do.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Many here in the comments are agreeing with you Doc! ❤

[@jeffruebens8355]

Eminence Front is a great song after Moon died. It is a fact that some groups like AC/DC are able to replace a main member and still have big selling albums, and others like Led Zeppelin splinter off into solo and other band work. I still prefer Highway to Hell songs compared to Back in Black, even though the sales numbers are the opposite. Steely Dan was another band that had different members all the time, especially lead guitar players. Yacht Rock is another argument, to me funny but negative to others- it does help people find similar music.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

So do I Jeff! But I do like both albums but HTH Rocks me brother! ❤😊

[@lib556]

Sigh. I hate to admit it.... you're probably right. I like Kenny Jones. I like the Small Faces. If you had to get a new drummer, he was as good a choice as any. I grew to like Face Dances but I could never get into It's Hard. As for the last two albums? Forget it. I never saw the boys with Keith. The 2 concerts I attended were 1989 and 2015. One with Entwistle one without. Both were great experiences... but... not the same as seeing them at their peak in the mid 70s. Fun fact about those 2 concerts. Both were in the exact same venue in Vancouver... separated by 26 years!

[@matthewblanchard9301]

Quick answer YES! Like Led Zeppelin with Bonham's death, when Moon died The Who died too. BUT! Unlike Zeppelin The Who carried on first with Kenny Jones behind the drum kit, I saw this reconfigured The Who and they were real good, but not Great without Moon. Then came Zack Starkey, Ringo's son with great pedigree indeed, and with all due respect to Kenny Jones much better drummer but still no cigar. There's a reason Led Zeppelin disbanded after Bonzo died except for those few concerts Live Aid, Atlantic Records 40th and the 02 Ahmet Ertegun concerts(not withstanding Page & Plant, great Yes but Not Zeppelin) Bonham vs Moon? Apples & Oranges?? I still have to pick Bonham over Moon, he really changed the role of a rock drummer and doing it on a single simple drum kit. Moon & Baker were were forerunners in Rock Music with the double - bass kits with Moon being the more explosive and animated drummer. But this brings us back to my quick answer about The Who after Moon's death, YES! Jones and Starkey really good drums with Zack edging Kenny but the other three I mention Bonham, Moon and Baker are on a different plateau, especially Bonham. R.I.P. 🥁🥁🥁🙏🙏🙏

[@tylerjsmithers8385]

I think a band that can continue even though they get different members is AC/DC! They've had three different bass players and 4 different drummers, and of course transitioning from Bon to Brian! Unfortunately, losing Malcolm was EXTREMELY detrimental to the group, even if they kept the same sound... I do like Stevie and I absolutely love Power Up and their tribute to Malcolm!

[@davidgianatasio5747]

Sammy is a great singer. But it wasn’t really Van Halen without David Lee.

[@rinkrat06]

Keith had a deathwish and was embrassing the guys Pete and Roger almost fired him before he died.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

He got in a bad way there at the end.❤

[@terrihandman7231]

Who was moving on since day on, thank God.. each record was different so nothing changed after Moon died.. besides Who was always "Townshend project" anyways... it is what it is.. Its just that it absolutely makes selfappointed "gatekeepr Who fans" mad that people continued to love them after Moon, shows and songs

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

I always thought the same regarding John Fogerty Terri! I mean wasn’t CCR just a John Fogerty project when you get down to it? 👌❤

[@dont_follow5777]

Pete wrote some good songs after Keith died, but most of them ended up on his solo albums.

[@seandavies3968]

Maybe it was a case of John Bonham being given the opportunity to express himself (Moby Dick) whereas Keith Moon never got the chance.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

There is a lotta truth in what you say Sean! Thanx! ❤

[@aaronknight9759]

Practically every song Keith did was a solo. He just danced around the lyrics.

[@QuarrellaDeVil]

Keith himself really hated long solos, so we just have to content ourselves with stuff like "Cobwebs and Strange." Can you imagine what his answer would have been to something like "Toad" or "Moby Dick"?

[@charleswells8453]

Great discussion. So, bands that would cease to be the same band if they lost just one member, effectively bands that are more than the sum of their parts. For me you’ve got the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, the Doors, the Who. Other bands might be acceptable as long as certain key members remain in place eg Jagger and Richards from the Stones. I agree with you that the Who without Moon are not the Who. Similarly, Queen without Mercury are not Queen. Pink Floyd without Waters are not Pink Floyd. Gilmour is one of my favourite guitarists and a distinctive part of the post-Barrett Floyd sound but the Waters solo Amused to Death album with Jeff Beck sounds just like classic Pink Floyd and is far superior to the likes of the Division Bell. Bonham, Moon and Starr are my favourite drummers.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

I love your list here Charles! Spot on brother! ❤

[@dubuqueblues69]

Michael I love your enthusiasm for Entwistle. IMO, he was a better bass player than Moon was a drummer. No disrespect to Keith because he makes my top 5 drummers list as well..... But John Entwistle was an insanely talented and gifted musician. People don't realize how much John's voice was a HUGE part of their sound. Pete would eventually sing more lead than John but John's harmonies and backing voc are all over their records and live shows from the beginning through 74 or so. Not to mention he arranged all the horn parts on Tommy, Quadraphenia etc and played ALL of it himself. He was the entire brass section. His solo albums are also superb at times....just stay away from the one called Mad Dog...... The Ox was/still is my hero and biggest influence on me as a bass player and all around musician. He's bound to be destroying ear drums in another world as I type this. Anyway, thanks for the love for him. Great conversation.

[@doctordetroit4339]

Do you all like ACDC? Do you all like the Back in Black album? Let's be grateful these bands carry on after losing a member, even the lead singer (in most music, it's the singer not the song).

[@clydekimsey7503]

For me, once the first singer died, their unique sound died.

[@LarryGravesCanadianStudmuffin]

They did for me... I never bought a Who album after Who Are You. It just wasn't The Who without Keith Moon for me.

[@scottrap]

Keith was never technically proficient. He was almost amazing by accident. I do feel that after ‘73 his talent started fizzling because he was more into being “Keith Moon” and the rockstar lifestyle as opposed to respecting the craft. And sure enough he was dead by ‘78. Yes it’s true, Bonham blew him away talent-wise. There’s a video somewhere on KZbin of a Keith Moon drum solo on some kids show in the 70s and it’s dreadful! It’s like watching a 10-year-old kid wailing away in his bedroom on his first kit

[@jameswilson7084]

I think if you combine the best tracks from The Who's "Face Dances" and "It's Hard" albums, you'd have a pretty good Who album. But, the drumming wouldn't be as good. I think 2019's "WHO" album is a great later-day studio effort by the group. It's not as good as the Keith Moon Who albums, but I like that one a lot.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Some good thoughts there!👌❤ Nice analysis James!

[@Mr.-J-2024]

Yes.

[@colindeer9657]

Hi Michael, Keith’s death was not expected. They worked very hard to protect him from himself. When he died, they all knew it was over. They shook their heads and got on with it but when John died, they knew they were fucked. 😎 and said so.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

2 legends right there Colin! There at the end Keith reminded me of Jimmy Page as far as being dangerously close to the edge! Thankfully Jimmy survived!👌❤

[@clydekimsey7503]

Moon lead such a wild life. Was anybody really surprised when he died?

[@richeaton5752]

Simon Phillips. I got to see Mooney with The Who in '75 and that is still my all time fav concert (The Who 4 times, The Stones twice, and Zep once), but I will say Simon was incredible to two times I saw him with them in '89.

[@jimbo-gi7ds]

👍

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

❤👌

[@susanfreeman9500]

The Beatles broke up, but could they still be the Beatles without any one of them? I think Lennon and McCartney are the key members, but Harrison and Starr still made unique contributions.

[@demonsbutterfly]

The Who continued on after Moon died, mainly because they were in serious debt They had to keep making money Roger has said it numerous times in interviews

[@ohsoedgy6888]

Apparently Phil Collins almost replaced Keith Moon to become the new drummer of The Who and while Phil is a great drummer and honestly he is one of the best that Progressive Rock has to offer but I am glad he stayed with Genesis and became their new singer to add onto that

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

Phil's drums on And So To F for Brand X demonstrate amazing quality drumming faster but cant imagine him in The Who

[@cmichaelanthonyimages2197]

Pete has said that as a drummer, Moon was not great. He was a theatrical drummer and visually, he added to the stage presence of the Who. He did have his moments, but overall he didn't hold up to some of the really great, drumming mechanics. IMO.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Always room for the other side of the coin here Michael! I appreciate your honest evaluation! ❤

[@senatorjimdracula1603]

Kenney Jones is a great drummer, just not for The Who. Zak Starkey is closer to Moon in style, but I agree that The Who died when Keith did. My favorite drummers are Moon, Bonham, Ringo and Charlie Watts, pretty much in that order.

[@clydekimsey7503]

Would ringo be in the 5 to 10 category?

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Yes, but for some very specific reasons Clyde!❤

[@Stublinsky]

John Bonham ???? LOL !!!!!

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Ouch Stubinsky! That stung brother! 😢😉❤

[@dylandenney3980]

The Who minus the rhythm section isn't the Who. Especially after John died there was no Who. Pino is an incredible talent but he's all wrong for the sound

[@billyz5088]

The Who didn't die with Moon - but they replaced him with the wrong drummer - and Kenny Jones is a good drummer - he just wasn't right for the Who ..

[@between2guitars331]

Top 5 LIVING rock drummers 1. Danny Carey 2. Ric Allen 3. Mike Portnoy 4. Bran Dailor (mastodon) 5. Stewart Copeland. Oh, I have seen the Who live multiple times and Keith Moon was never there. There is no room for cork sniffing in rock n roll! Same goes for my friends in Molly Hatchet!

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

I agree with you regarding Stewart Copland 2Guitars! He;s in my Top 10 for sure! ❤

[@between2guitars331]

@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine and I’m sure you would agree that The Police are one band that could still do it! On another note, I’m wondering if you’d had a chance to listen to Bran Dailor much? Mastodon may be outside what you’ve been listening to, but Brann Dailor is like the second coming of Phil Collins on drums, and Mastodon as a whole was HEAVILY influenced by Genesis. My favorite heavy band by far!

[@tonysplace9255]

YES

[@Riz2336]

INXS died after Micheal Hutchence death

[@neilgoldsmith5482]

I saw the Who with Moon, & saw them again with Kenny Jones. There is 2 more. Danny Carey & Ringo.🎸😎

[@LazloRolka]

its pronounced Pier-t, Neil Pier-t C'mon guys lets be respectful and get a legends name right.

[@glennday83]

brian downey is massively underrated drummer aswell thin lizzy

[@BobE316]

I can't really comment or give my opinion because with the exception of a few songs, I was never a Who fan.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

I hope we at least perked your curiousity Bob! Thanx for watching! ❤

[@BobE316]

@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine Yes Michael, I still enjoy the videos.

[@freaky_j2207]

Mitch Mitchell is hugely underrated. Not quite on that level but I always thought John Densmore was underrated too. When I do my top 3 of rock/hard rock and it’s more personal preference would be Bonham Bill Ward Ian Piace

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

All Top 10 worthy Freaky! ❤👌

[@garynolandoldermanstronger6400]

Yes….. I like Townsend but yes the Who died as a Who”le”

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

I’m finally getting some comments agreeing with me Gary! Well, a few anyway! ❤

[@phillipanderson7398]

By the end of his life Keith was surely not at his best performance-wise. All down-hill though the mid '70s. So wasn't Kenny Jones even up to that standard ? I always thought that he was a very good replacement and Face Dances was a favorite latter day album. It's Hard not as good. I think , perhaps, they should have broken up after John Entwhistle died.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Kenny’s great, nut not a Keith Moon IMHO Phillip! Plus remember what Pete said, that Keith brought essential elements to his songs he didn’t think of, and so therefore he was essential to the songwriting process, so affectionate points here as well!

[@murraymaunder8754]

They weren't The Who by then. Zak Starkey is a terrific drummer and Pino Paladino likewise great on bass but really - Townshend & Daltrey?

[@QuarrellaDeVil]

The Kinks survived the loss of Peter Quaife, but of course, there was still plenty of ink left in Ray's pen and he and the band did manage to bend like a tree in the wind as times changed. It's ironic to me that "The Who" are out there in the form of the guy who wrote "I hope I die before I get old" and the guy who sang it, but just as Paul and Ringo aren't going out as "The Beatles", Roger and Pete aren't "The Who" for me. I differ a little from Michael in that I thought The Who put out some amazing live shows with Ken Jones -- I'll take his live interpretation of "Sister Disco" over Keith's robotic version any day of the week -- but how did we go from that "How Can You Do It Alone" jam (captured on the 1997 reissue of "Face Dances") to that lounge singer version on the album? Pete knew that the "music must change" 'round the time of "Who Are You", but remember that Keith was in such poor condition that there had been talk of firing him. OK, the music changed, and ... we didn't like it. For my money, The Who were done after Live Aid. Once it turned into filling the stage with a lot of people (even if one of them was Simon Phillips, who would have been great as a member) to perform "Tommy", something Pete tried to replace onstage multiple times and failed, I was done. There are always going to be folks who saw them with John and Zak or as they are today and they'll say they enjoyed the show, etc. That's no problem for me, but that just doesn't get me going now. I know Roger was pretty defensive early on about the "new" group, but he ultimately gave way to saying that he thought Jones was the wrong drummer for the band. I've never seen him address whom he thought would have been the right guy for the gig, though. On the other hand, trying to get straight talk from Pete Townshend is like shaking one of those magic 8 balls where you get different answers every time. He said some awful things about Keith and John over the years that I'm sure he didn't mean, but a great songwriter such as he seemed to struggle in conveying that he wanted something a little more conventional in his rhythm section. Aside: Imagine a drunken Pete, preaching from his chair with Steve Jones and Paul Cook sitting with him, and he asks them to join The Who. How would *that* have sounded?

[@blakewillemsen9925]

If you're not putting Ian Paice in the top 5, you have no credibility!

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

I rank him very high Blake!❤

[@denniswood1437]

Moon epitomized the anarchy and raw energy of the Who. They did good stuff after Keith died but they were never the same. In essence, the Who did die after Moon's passing.

[@neilgoldsmith5482]

Yeah!!!! Where is Carl Palmer. He blows away Ginger Baker& Bill Buford & Alan White. You are wrong . Where is Any lovely live from guys. You leave out Carl Palmer, Alan White & the immortal Bill Buford. Leaving them out is criminal. Why?????

[@neilgoldsmith5482]

Opps left out Bill Ward from Sabbath.🎸😎

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Bill is in my Top 5 Neil! ❤

[@johncrace911]

YES ! THE WHO died and never released anything good as the original band

[@micolsen9824]

1. Gene Krupa 2. Ian Paice 3. Ringo Starr 4. Carl Palmer 5. Charlie Watts

[@beast6428]

In a simple summary a comment said, “The Who didn’t die, but their spirit did” but to further add detail. Townshend during this period was heavily involved in his alcoholism and drug dependency ( considering it got worst after Moon’s death, while taking to account that the song “eminence front” is about superstars dependency on drugs ). Like wise creative differences emerging as Townshend once stated he wanted The Who to go on a similar route the Beatles did during their late 66-69 period where their just worked on music and retire temporarily from touring. Daltrey and Entwhistle refused to collaborate with this new vision of The Who. Essentially the band releasing their final album “It’s Hard” and ( in big parentheses ) showcasing their “Final Tour”. Without a doubt The Who and Zeppelin are in my top 5 easily, but The Who edges zeppelin slightly 🤘🏻🎯

[@rickbort7875]

After "Who Are You", the band known as The Who stopped being, the whole sound and dynamic changed without Moon. I loved Kenny Jones as the drummer for The Faces, but he could not replace Keith Moon, he was literally one-of-a-kind, same with Bonham. For the most part, Face Dances and It's Hard are forgettable Who albums. The Who was basically a trio, and when one instrument, perhaps the most significant and distinctive one, disappears, THAT particular band ceases to exist. I'm sure Robert Plant recognized this as well when Bonham died. Drummers like Moon, Bonham, Ringo, Stewart Copeland- they have such a distinctive and unique sound signature, they are impossible to replace.

[@terrihandman7231]

no it didn't since Face Dances was far superior to WAY album... and they played fantqstic shows during 1979-1982, specially 1980/1981 tour people loved those tours/shows, it's just that certain "gatekeeper" Who fans try desperaltely rewrite history claiming that they weren great and people didn't like them at all during this period.. it's hilarious

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

I appreciate your point of view Terri. I want to hear from everyone on this! But please understand that I’m not rewriting history, I’m just one of their fans who felt that way at the time. So historically speaking, I think I’m covered! WHEW! 😉👌❤️

[@ParkerBalfour]

Zak Starkey I hear he’s pretty good and has been with the band since around 2008 The Who still put on a heck of a show I’ve seen them over 7 times since first farewell tour in 1982 how many have you been to MN don’t judge if you don’t go heresy and second hand talk don’t rock

[@kevinice2841]

Disclaimer: there are a multitude of jazz drummers who could smoke any rock drummer. But, for rock: 1) Ginger Baker (*even though he considered himself a jazz drummer exclusively) 2) John Bonham 3) Keith Moon 4) Bill Bruford (also a jazz drummer) 5) Cozy Powell Honorable mention: Ian Paice, Bill Ward, Mitch Mitchell

[@randyharbaugh7819]

Fleetwood Mac and Journey would be great case studies, there are at least three eras of Fleetwood Mac and at least two eras of Journey.

[@mcvideo5909]

Dire Straits dropped down a level when Pick Withers left. The replacement drummer was excellent, but couldn’t swing. As an Aussie, the same happened when Richard Ploog left The Church. Ploog added some swing. Drummers add to the magic of a great band. Did you mention Carmine Appice in your list of drummers?

[@markoliver630]

Yes. Kenny Jones was good but they definitely dropped a level. They had achieved everything by then anyway. Tommy Who’s Next Quad cements them in the upper echelons forever. They rang the bells several times. Class A Rock Band.

[@AnthonyWightman-s9x]

The Who didn’t die when the iconic Keith Moon unfortunately passed away. Kenney Jones was a great drummer. Yes not as erratic as Moon and with more of a straight ahead , basic style. But I always felt that he did a great job in the band. And his era gave us one of The Who’s best songs, Eminence Front. And as far as the other drummers mentioned, they would ALL be in my top 10 for sure. But number one for me has always been Carl Palmer!!

[@stevenbranagh6434]

Cliff Burdon , Metallica went down hill pretty quick after him

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Amazing talent Steve! ❤

[@doctordetroit4339]

Ever hear of the Black album?

[@Surge_LaChance]

​@@doctordetroit4339 Right? Lol.

[@stevenbranagh6434]

@@doctordetroit4339 it’s a sell out album

[@doctordetroit4339]

@@stevenbranagh6434 Correct.....but they cashed in bigly. They exploded in popularity after that album and is the main (but not only) reason they sell out to this day. So they didn't go downhill in that sense.

[@larryfreda5208]

The Who died when Keith died

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Finally! Someone in the comments agrees with e Larry! Thank you brother! ❤❤❤

[@garytrew2766]

The Who did die after Keith and so did Zep after John

[@larryfreda5208]

@ But at least Zep had the good sense not to continue on.

[@tylerjsmithers8385]

@@garytrew2766 Jimmy, Robert, and JPJ had the good sense to break up the band because they knew they couldn't continue with a replacement!

[@tracydrum6733]

They were 10 times more reliable after Keith died

[@frslas]

Without question, and for that matter the Stones haven't been worth a damn since Mick Taylor left.

[@davidsipos302]

I may be in the minority here but I actually liked the Kenny Jones Era...The Albums Were Sub Par but their Live Shows Were Great!

[@mikehunt-w8u]

Ian Paice anyone?

[@ParkerBalfour]

Ok that’s enough Who bashing have you even seen them live since the time Moon fell into his drums . The Who have added when needed over the 6 decades you I’ve followed your program for over 3 years and in my opinion pop Paul and wings and Yes fan flog your video ramblings while Pete and Roger rake in the millions

[@esoomynona5813]

.. to my ears Entwhistle and Moon lacked the chemistry and feel so beautifully demonstrated by John Paul Jones and Bonham, plus Moon often tended to plough his own furrow, rarely echoing Townsend. Whereas Pge and Bonzo were often weaving around each other's playing. As to your main question guys, I'd say the Who, as musical tour de force, ended after Who's Next.

[@TheTownspeople]

Only an idiot doesn’t put Neil Peart at #1.

[@DrVonChilla]

Yes, they died. John Bonham DESTROYS Keith Moon.