Did Tudor Quietly Release the Next Generation Black Bay?

[@ID-Guy]

Edit: Thank you to everyone correcting me on ETA movements. Tudor Phased them out for the"T600" (Sellita) about 2 years ago. The design, "smiling dial" and new in-house caliber stuff still stands 😉Distracted by last years Sports Watches, Tudor gave us a fresh look for the Black Bay (released in Two Tone) that was muddled amidst diamond dials and bezels 2:40 These show us how the collection is about to change. New Dial, Crown and Handset along with a manufacture caliber.

[@2K9s]

I personally think this says more about sellita than Tudor and everything good about their watches moving forward.

[@HRM.H]

You hit the nail right on the head with the gilt dial prediction

[@carlvoxvires]

Smile dial will be a future collector classic

[@Libertà_sulla_vita]

I agree. That's why I just picked up a NOS black bay 41 from chrono24. I always wanted to pick one up but always bought something else when the time came. I started to see stock disappear so I jumped on it. I dont like what they did with the newer version. The jubilee, wider bezel, and smaller crown make it look like a cheap OP rip off imo.

[@HRM.H]

I cant wait for the updated BB36. The sliding clasp, jubilee bracelet, slimmer case and kenissi movement will make for a killer daily piece

[@ID-Guy]

It's going to be magic. Just the jubilee integration alone is going to be fantastic! 🥃

[@HRM.H]

@@ID-Guy i love that they started to use more brushing on the new S&G aswell. The case looks alot more like a vintage piece.

[@ID-Guy]

@@HRM.H It's these tiny refinements (and details) that us vintage freaks love. The older styles had so much more nuance and absolutely right.

[@HRM.H]

​​​@@polygoncoco the new S&G BB36 is exactly a milimeter thinner than the old one. So yeah, its going to be thinner. And its much less slab sided, so will wear much better.

[@witte2702]

@@ID-Guy jubilee all-steel bb86 new case is a watch i am pretty sure is a definite buy. I think that the presence of the Ranger means that it makes sense to move the BB86 'dressier'

[@marvean2519]

Tbh I'm glad I got a BB36 before the movement update. I love the smile too much.

[@cedricsportes3928]

Outstanding review every seconds of it. For me not to fast-forward the video is a great proof of my great concentration. The industrial design background is felt in those comments and analysis. Thank you so much sir

[@Thomas_Burnett]

The Black Bay 36 is such a great value watch. It has the simplicity that harks back to Watches like the Rolex 1016. A simple, classy three handed piece. A brilliant first nice Watch for anyone. Another interesting topic that you have presented here boet. Great video. ✊

[@mkyhou1160]

I just got the 41 Champagne, this is a gorgeous watch, and there size for every wrist. As an office worker, this is perfect for me, slightly dressy but looks great casual too. The curvy case is revolutionary for Tudor.

[@Superdada]

I’ve always thought the standard BB is a sleeper in their catalog. The Ranger got so much attention, yet I felt the BB is a better buy for a basic field watch (but that’s just my opinion).

[@edrader]

it reminds me of a seiko-type move. lazy. it never appealed to me. but the ranger was the first tudor to attract me since the first in-house pelagos. the 22 ranger is on my wrist now

[@Thinkaboutit803]

Thanks, gentleman! You listened to the viewer, and the background music is back. I am sure Tudor is listening to this analysis and they are working on their next piece (maybe better than ETA movement this time / color dial) for the watches and wonder to release. We will see you in the next one!

[@ID-Guy]

Thank you Partha 😉 With W&W around the corner, this might be their semi-big reveal, a new tightened up series of Standard Black Bays. We'll see! And thank you brother! 🥃

[@chriscon8463]

I’d love just an updated quick-adjust clasp on the BB36; I like ETA/Sellita movements for ease of service!

[@duncanhamilton5841]

I've had a BB41 silver dial on metal since Jan 22 (SW200 movement). Super versatile low key sports diver dress thing.

[@jackiemoon_lms]

I love my smiley dial BB36. It’s a 2017 model that has never been serviced and still only gains half a second a day. My local watchmaker can service it easily and it expensively when the time comes. I will never understand the demand for an “in-house” movement in this watch. I fully expect the current ETA iteration of the BB 32/36/41 to become rather collectible but I will never part with it as it is a very special piece in my very small collection. Perfect watch for all occasions.

[@ID-Guy]

Bought a loved one a BB32 and she can't get enough of it. Absolutely rock solid (bought it for a song) and it just does it all... something tells me I'll need to pick up 3 extra links and give it a wear now and again 😉 I'll miss that Smiling dial, man... nothing like it out there today and is arguably more iconic for Tudor than the Shield... alas 🥃

[@drzaius844]

Perfect for all occasions! Dresses up so well.

[@jackiemoon_lms]

@@ID-Guy cheers my friend! Go get those extra links while you still can 🥃

[@relosapulso]

what year was the tudor bb36 with an ETA movement first released?

[@JosepHayes]

There’s something so reassuring and comforting about the smiling dial

[@UGA.D]

The ETA 2824 in the BB41 heritage was replaced with a Sellita clone movement almost 2 years ago as a "T-600".

[@btmontres1423]

Lovely review with some historical context for what came before and how what comes next is a response to environmental pressures and marketplace needs to evolve, adapt, and grow.

[@conorwhitworth5182]

Had my BB36 since 2017. Rock solid. Never let me down. Prefer the design over the Explorer. Couldn't recommend the BB36 more.

[@ID-Guy]

Such impressive little pieces that punch way above their weight! Couldn't agree more with you. Insane accuracy too... Regulated ETA's are hard to beat 🥃

[@AbdulRWatches]

Great one mate, I had the smile BB and loved it, I am really interested in the 925 but now it is much harder with that next generation looks awesome with the jubilee, dial and hands 😁👍🏽

[@ID-Guy]

Superb how they've tightened up the hands especially, right? Subtle, subtle changes but makes such a nice difference! Don't worry, I've eyed the 925 many times too... that taupe dial & bezel combo is something else...

[@AbdulRWatches]

@@ID-Guy agree, I think Tudor Designer have more freedom in changing design ques as the model evolves, at least more than Rolex. That 925 is definitely something 😄

[@Thomas_Burnett]

@@AbdulRWatches You’re right Abdul. The 925 really is a stunner of the Black Bay range 👌

[@boigahboi7074]

Great video, @IDGuy. I bought my BB36 before the new year and love it. The one annoying thing about it is the clasp, it’s far too long - longer than the l2l of the watch head. I would buy a SS jubilee bracelet in an instant!

[@justinlangley9522]

surely you had an in house scoop! you guessed the Gilt dial with Jubilee Bracelet exactly! wow

[@warshauer]

One of the shots in the video shows them adding a 39mm to the line. Is that confirmed or just speculation? It would be great!

[@camels3269]

I once thought that the black bay 41 would be my attainable dream watch but unfortunately it was too bulky whereas the black bay 36 was too small for me. I hope that they release the 39 mm version with a standard bracelet and then it will be my target to get asap.

[@Maestromarksherwin]

What do you think of the Omega Constellation 38mm in steel and gold? Bit puzzle if I should get this Omega constellation or the Tudor BlackBay 39mm S&G? Thanks in advance

[@KMV007]

Your variant with gilt hands /indices and jubilee bracelet looks great. Slight correction, these less sport Black Bays have not used the ETA movement for a couple of years now, they are using a Sellita SW200 variation, they call it T600. Tudor claims it does ‘chronometer performance’, but they are not actually chronometer certified.

[@scott7841]

I like the idea of an in-house movement for these watches. And it's the reason I bought a BB58 (blue) 1 1/2 years ago versus a Black Bay 41 for my 19cm wrist (even though I would have preferred the case size of the 41 better for my wrist size). Hopefully, they will start putting the T-FIT clasp on all their new releases. Having an on-the-fly adjustment on the clasp is much better. Personally, I'd also like to see the bezels (on the divers) changed from aluminum to ceramic. I know aluminum is used for vintage purposes. But ceramic is superior in terms of scratch resistance; although I kind of doubt they would change this. I do like Tudor! It's kind of like what Rolex used to be many years ago; and it doesn't carry all the baggage of Rolex. Thanks for another great video!

[@ID-Guy]

Something says to me that the T-fit will be integrated with this new Jubilee configuration (which will be stellar!) And I get what you mean Al v Ceramic. We can expect something fresh from them every year... always a breath of fresh air 😉

[@whereRbearsTeeth]

Also doesn’t carry the same quality as Rolex. There’s a good reason they are less than 1/2 the price. Decent watches, but not luxury level by any means.

[@salvadorcano4494]

I appreciate your analysis regarding watches with eta movements. Collectors are becoming more biased towards pieces with in house movements. Eta movements are tough and robust. Thanks again for a great video..

[@ID-Guy]

Love them, think I've owned at least 5 ETA's in different pieces over time and they are incredible. Never abused a watch more than ones that had ETA's and they kept running...like a swiss watch 😉

[@RedwoodAggie]

This is probably my surest guess as to what Tudor will release later this month. I definitely will miss the smiley, but the other changes are exactly what I would like. The other thing I would most be looking forward to is a 39mm option like they released in the S&G. I'm a bit of a giant and while the 41 technically fit my, something was off about it. It didn't feel right. In contrast, the 36mm version that so many seem to love felt too insignificant and looked tiny. 38-39mm is great for a compact sports watch on my wrist, so that could be the perfect size. Interestingly, my rep at my local AD said the 39mm watches are really Tudor's best sellers, their sweet spot. I think this will fit in nicely with that, assuming a 39mm is released as well. It also might make me a bit less irked at the discontinuation of the Explorer 39mm, which fits beautifully on my wrist.

[@ID-Guy]

Agree Sean. Truth be told, I didn't even realise they'd launched a 39mm until I was editing the video together! 41,39,36 etc. It's crazy! They've hit every threshold they need for wrist sizes... they deserve a bravo! Guaranteed we'll be seeing all these sizes in steel 🥃

[@straightmanforever69]

Grrr 😉

[@Claus-L.Mueller]

Hi! Are you sure Tudor still uses ETA 2824-2 for the standard Black Bay line? I’ve read about Sellita movements instead. I’ve purchased an older one with two straps from my Wempe boutique last year. It has got an ETA inside. But the newer models, sold with one strap only, are more likely to have an Sellita. Personally I don’t want Tudor to change it. But I’m afraid you are right with your prediction. It’s going to be more expansive for the customers to own a Tudor watch. Gone are the days where you can pick up a brand new Black Bay for under €3,000. Best regards, Claus

[@dannyg6592]

One can still get a smiley face dial Tudor - the smiling face is on all 1926, Style, Glamour Date and Glamour Day Date models. Cheers!

[@potatosnacks5571]

Any chance we know when this will happen? I’ve been planning on picking up the sellita version this august

[@OneManReviews]

Great video. I have owned the Black Bay 41 for more than a year, and it's a fantastic watch. Simple, beautiful and super accurate. But it was a bit big for my wrist. I wish they had a 38 or 39-mm case with the slimmer profile option. Based on the last year's S&G collection, I am pretty sure we will see the same case update to the 32/36/41 model line.

[@ID-Guy]

I didn't even realise while recording that they've released a 39mm variant in S&G. Check it out! 2:50 - Pretty mind-blowing how these all slipped by an they subtly gave us the template of how the BB collection will change 😆

[@OneManReviews]

@@ID-Guy Yep. That was my thought exactly when I saw their 39 mm S&G version announced last year 🙂

[@whereRbearsTeeth]

Umm.. they do. It’s called the BB58

[@OneManReviews]

@@whereRbearsTeeth I have the BB58. It is a completely different watch.

[@relosapulso]

just a thought, when was the tudor bb36 with ETA movement first released?

[@cdeaker]

Tudor could also reintroduce the Prince line - discontinued in Europe for quite a few years & now discontinued in Asia. This would give Tudor the Oyster Perpetual GADA alternative that isn’t a Black Bay - there are way too many variants of the Style & Glamour (which no one talks about & are meh) so they could be cut back or discontinued. If they do a Prince line there won’t be a cyclops or fluted bezel - these are now reserved exclusively for Rolex

[@TurnRiver]

A "generic" ETA might be the most reliable, accurate, robust, and serviceable movement ever made.

[@ID-Guy]

They're in a word...fantastic. Had at least 5 over the years and they've taken the most abuse I've thrown at them by far (and run incredibly well) Nice shout here Brian 🥃

[@davidperkins605]

Great video ID, i have a bb58, but was thinking of getting a 36 ETA, im now on it..👍

[@HaonProductions]

This is a dilemma. I've always liked the Black Bay 36 but haven't gotten that push to get one. Either a discontinuation, or moving to the slightly more curved case of the S&G model, would do that for me. Now to decide whether to get one now or to wait!

[@ID-Guy]

I know what you mean about the slab sidedness. This new gen with a slightly updated case looks far more refined (along with the new crown and hands) - It's a conundrum... because the ETA gen's can be found for a bargain right now... odds are the new ones will be double the price. AND in my case, the smiling dial is such an awesome touch that I'll miss (but that's personal preference) 😆 I'd say wait for that new bracelet & clasp along with a neater case 🥃

[@dominicofarrell9248]

I think adding Tudor's take on a pie pan bezel would elevate it even further! Nice video :)

[@WestCoastAce27]

Great job. Even though I’m a ‘must have numbers on the bezel’ guy these days your gilt on jubilee would tempt me. Coincidence: was just talking to someone who ‘might know’ and was told changes on the dress side of Tudor.

[@ver2cal2010]

Look forward to seeing a 41mm blue face with jubilee bracelet

[@JRenardLeatherCo]

will this shift to in-house be reflected in the 1926 as well? if so, i’ll have to grab some with the “smiling dial” before they’re phased out

[@ericwilliams1595]

I have one of these smiley 41s. More expensive than I thought to get it serviced. Anyone have advice on where else to go to get a service?

[@goldencalf5144]

I never noticed the smiling dial before. I think you make a good point, they should keep it. I now wish my BB58 had one.

[@r7coo]

Fantastic video mate, I'm so happy I have 3 eta smileys, I adore them.

[@SolidCaseBack]

I was very interested to see you sneak a new BB58 in there on a jubilee with an oversized Rolex-style crown. I'm on record saying I'd buy a BB58 all over again if they did that. Will be very interested to see what comes next... Great video, as always. Thank you sir! 🙌🙌🙌

[@DrRolexPhD]

Wait I don't understand. Were these changes announced? Or are they predictions?

[@ID-Guy]

We actually missed the changes to these new BB's because they were launched as S&G amidst ladies diamond bezels and dials. SO they've given us the blueprint for the next gen BB in almost every way but not in full steel just yet 😉

[@DrRolexPhD]

@@ID-Guy ahhh I see, thank you!

[@wrrrrrt]

I really like this prediction, yet not sure if jubilee goes along with the the utilitarian style of the watch... got mixed feelings about this. Same as lollipop seconds hand, it kind of violate consistency of the watch... but I can live with it. As I really like my classic BB, I would seriously consider swapping it for such BB36, it's really getting close to Explorer while still being reasonably (yeah...) priced. That could be really nice one-watch collection piece:-)

[@EP-yi3gy]

Great video. I picked up a Black Bay 41 to mark a professional occasion and wear it almost every day at work. I absolutely love it. In fact, over time I have grown to love it more. In house movement or not. My question when I look at all the recent Tudor releases is whether the Black Bay line is becoming somewhat redundant. All it takes is a refresh of their dress watch line and the Pelagos, Ranger and a dress watch or two could replace the Black Bay's. Curious to know what your thought on it is, from a product line perspective.

[@anthonythornton8478]

I bought a BB36 in early 2019 over the 58 and this was before Tudor switched from ETA to Sellita. I think the ETA movement would rival most in house movements as it keeps fantastic time for an ‘off the shelf movement’. While it’s incredibly comfortable to wear I did have to buy a half link from uncle straps (previously uncle seiko). If it had the t fit clasp it truly would be perfect IMO. Great content as always!

[@galaga8834]

Smiley dial ETA Tudor Black Bay heritage is more valuable on the preowned than the chunky in-house version and so it will continue with this obsession of in-house. 12.7mm compared to nearly 15mm makes a massive difference on the wrist. I'd never swap my Smiley blue bezel for anything in-house including the overhyped 58.

[@nicholaschavez6245]

As a former BB36 owner, I’m really excited for the upcoming changes, save the loss the of that wonderful smile. Better power reserve, fantastic. Adjustable clasp, amazing. More elegant case, yes please. But the loss of that smile, devastating. I can literally say that it put a smile on my face and more than a few rough days. If Tudor somehow finds a way to keep the smile, add a new movement, crown, and clasp, refine the case, and add the gilt you mocked up…. grand slam. I honestly think it would give the Explorer a run for its money. I miss the BB36, I will have another, I just hope it’s smiling back at me when I do. 🥃

[@PeterKotsa]

With something so simple the details always matter, how true..also as enthusiasts we are always looking at the details which make a world of difference Lastly, will you see us in the next one?.. Yep..you will always see Me in the next one..🥃🥃

[@ID-Guy]

Always the legend Pete. Thank you brother! Love, love those small details that they've tightened up... but that smiling dial... I'll miss it man 🥃

[@2K9s]

Honestly wasn’t a contemporary Tudor fan until I understood they’re everything that other brand stood for regarding tool watches but with upgraded technology. What sealed my interest is the performance of my recently purchased pelagos lhd. While it will never compare to my 16600t bought 20 years ago, it holds its own value regardless of the identical 5k msrp of old. Plus the horologist of 43 years agrees, he even said Tudor are a modern bargain, all things considered of course.

[@Mans1810]

To me, this is the best watch Tudor have in the catalogue. They just need to refine the design a little bit. Give it an oyster case just like the S&G, reduce the size of the crown, add in-house mvt, refine the bracelet, add more dial colors and the whole world will want one. However I can imagine Rolex wouldn't like that as it would be a serious competitor to the oyster perpetual.

[@pgcs98]

Only reason keeping me from pulling the trigger on the 36 blackbay was that crown sticking out with that black ring, if they change it probably will consider the purchase

[@codeandroad3020]

I returned an anthracite BB39 because the finishing was so shoddy. The rear of the lugs was very sharp. Potentially dangerous. Other examples in the shop were the same. The watch was sent back to Tudor who said that there was no problem. I didn’t notice the problem in the shop when I first got the watch. I won’t be buying a Tudor again. In the end I shelled out the extra for the IWC MkXX which I first wanted. Lovely watch and finished properly. Mind you, the bracelet is only just long enough for my 19.5cm wrist.

[@janihellberg6911]

I love the new tt blackbay. I have the tt explorer and the only thing I disslike about it, is the white text. The bb dial with gilted dial looks so good, I wish the explorer had gilted text too.

[@ID-Guy]

very interesting critique with the white text. I've been eyeing that TT explorer a lot (get what you mean though, that traditional gold lettering adds such a nice compliment to the metal) 🥃

[@whodeycinbengals]

My daily is a BB58, which I love, but had the 58 not been created, then I could definitely see myself purchasing the regular BB. Also, I’ve never cared much for the smiley dial, but to each their own. I do like the rose logo better than the current one.

[@AbstractMan23]

Are these your renders or leaked ones from Tudor?

[@timemycollection]

Great video as always - let’s see how they do it 👌🏾

[@donaldgeorge6656]

I have both the 58 and the GMT. My next Tudor will be the Ranger with the in-house movement

[@ID-Guy]

A superb trio there Donald! 🥃

[@jeffdj1975]

Excellent work

[@michaelfierman3256]

The BB36. My first “good watch” Always has a place in my heart. ( but not in my collection once I got the Explorer)

[@ID-Guy]

Great lil machines and must say, packs a big punch even next to the Explorer. It'll be awesome seeing how these are going to be refreshed (I'm thinking this year possibly) - nothing quite like that first "good watch" 😉

[@bobbycalifornia7077]

The 58 should ditch the gold bezel print and go for the no hash mark on the first 15 as seen at 1:49. That would be epic. Add the bigger crown and taller dome from the Pro. Big F’n win.

[@ID-Guy]

I'd also love the lack of hash marks, bigger crown and thicker crystal for that authentic look 😉 It has the potential too... I'll be sure to make a separate video on the subject soon enough (unless they spice it up this year)

[@bobbycalifornia7077]

@@ID-Guy I eagerly await that rendering. You always smash it bro 😎

[@OldGinger]

I've been saving for the current black bay 36. However, if it comes out with that crown, a gilt dial and an in house movement. I'll be all over that ✌🏻

[@simmysharma6845]

👍 👍 👍. Great stuff as always

[@joshuanakagawa9804]

The Royal line still has Sellita movements, does it not? Almost ETA, and still good value, for Tudor.

[@Timesradical]

I think the gilt dial would be amazing. Especially with the gold hands and gold surrounds

[@mdgh367]

Totally agree about the jubilee bracelet, would buy if it comes true.

[@drfathertime]

First time viewer here!!!!!1111!!!!!onetwoeleven Ahem, anyway, I actually do prefer ETA than any in-house movements, I mean if ETA cal can do an adequate time keeping, I don't see any point in paying 1.5 or 2 times the price, just to be able to "brag" about having an in-house movement. Besides, everyone and their uncle can service an ETA cal, in-house? Not so much.... Here's a question tho, what will be the reason to pick a tudor with ETA cal, when you can pick an Omega Railmaster instead?

[@pedromanuellopez142]

I've been waiting for this for a while and I agree with almost everything you say. I am not sure a gilt dial is for me, but I am looking forward to the blue version. Although it would be interesting if Tudor introduced a brushed case, or added a new twist to the collection somehow. The question is: if Tudor gets things right, why bother with the Explorer?

[@dangerpowers5939]

Because the Explorer is the Explorer. If you want a Explorer you should go for it. Easy as.

[@pedromanuellopez142]

@@dangerpowers5939 I can't wait to see the new Tudor, then I will make up my mind!

[@alessandro.felici]

Last weekend I tried a BB58 in a Tudor boutique. The misalignment in the bezel really threw me off. I wasn’t expecting that from a 4k€ watch 😢

[@alessandro.felici]

@@marktran2657 the 12 hour pip wasn’t on the 12 hour marker.

[@Willandern]

There hasn’t been an ETA in the BB36 for years. They switched to Sellita when they started calling the movements T600.

[@mikesheehan5946]

I'm a big fan of the curved smiley text. It's a bit strange we don't see it more often - we're putting straight pegs in round holes. Off the top of my head I can only think of Rotary's logo, and Squale's following the shape of the dial (but I'm sure there's more I don't know or can't remember...). But it feels good to see it for some reason. It's possible that it's Tudor's intention to use this change to signify a transition to something new, in which case I can see the smile coming back when they start using some newer generation of movement. A bit like on our British coins where when there's a new monarch and new coins are minted; the new monarch's face points in the opposite direction to the last. Feels a bit like that to me

[@zoostation64]

Interestingly enough, the original Black Bay divers with ETA movements (and smiley dials) are now often more valuable than their in-house successors on the pre-owned market. I suspect the same may happen with the these soon to be discontinued models.

[@davidcrandall4958]

For good reason!

[@davidcrandall4958]

That will probably Happen. with Swatch Group Powermatics and H10s also!

[@anthonystevens8683]

I can see this as well IDGuy, I don't think it's a case of if but when. I'm fortunate to have a few Tudors over the years but I'm very pleased that I got some smiley versions. I have a stainless steel BB36 black dial that for some reason still works on my 7" wrist, it's an elegant every day and super readable watch that isn't screaming "look at me". Having an option for a Jubilee bracelet would be nice but I'd stick with the oyster, the Jubilee works far better on the S&G in my humble opinion. Interestingly the Royal unless I'm mistaken uses the Sellita movements so maybe they might just put those into the standard SS BB, maybe they already do I'm not sure. Time will tell, pun intended. Many thanks for sharing.

[@Yorkshiremadmick]

The knurling to crown is the same as the MN Pelagos rather than Rolex.

[@samnathan2709]

New crown is definitely better. The smiling dial is nicer and I really prefer a snowflake second hand, but I suppose it has to match the new counterbalance

[@JDP-88]

A white dial version would be the watch of the year for sure

[@brettgosper6003]

the new tudor jubilee bracelet is really good. It's near as good as rolex jubilee. The BaBy is so underrated... that new iteration I reckon will be better than Explorer 1.

[@duncanidaho2130]

That Cookie Monster diver is epic.

[@ID-Guy]

One of the best names for the FXD I've read! Beautiful 😉 (Wouldn't change a thing on it either, it's perfect)

[@avip671]

I love and want the bb 36 in its current form, but I've been waiting for tudor to come out with more matte dial color options. U already have a black and blue dial watches, give us green, burgundy, baby blue, brown, etc

[@straightmanforever69]

Grrrrr 😉

[@Bob.martens]

All my ETA 28xx's have proven bulletproof and accurate for over a decade, to me that is. Personal experiences may vary. i don't baby my watches in any way, but i do take care of them. An ETA 28xx is all the movement you'll ever need in a (sports)watch. The 2824-2 may no longer be considered 'luxury' in its standard incarnation, but in it's most basic out-of-the-box shape is sooo much better than the Japanese entry-level 'competitors' (seiko 6R, miyota 9000) it's just no contest. My ETA's have taken the same beatings as all of my Seiko's/Miyota's, and despite the reputation of the latter for being 'not that accurate but very solid', it's the ETA's (and Sellita's) that have never failed me. My top 3 most lover watches are all still Seiko's though. In a perfect world it would be possible to buy a Seiko designed watch(dial especially) with an ETA/Sellita-movement and consistent QC. For the price Seiko is asking nowadays it should be perfectly possible for an entrepreneurial individual, if only the politics would allow it. The whole world would wear Presages and Prospexes...

[@adamkidson4444]

I just bought a smile face bb36 and it's on an uncle seiko jubilee with the OEM clasp and it's amazing, much nicer than the new ones

[@deltropico7]

I like your proposed changes! I understand why you left the snowflake hand, but without a rotating bezel I think it's irrelevant.

[@MKGamingInvesting]

But how the price should go up? It would be more expensive than the 58 than

[@wristopia4101]

The case is also less slab, and more Oyster. It's so much nicer, especially in the 31mm for the ladies. I for one have never liked the smiley face, even before I knew what it meant.

[@ID-Guy]

Great point! It'll also be 1mm thinner (so I've found) - there's going to be tonnes of these lil tweaks that'll improve this machine so nicely. Pretty exciting to see a facelift done so well in this day and age 😉

[@wristopia4101]

@@ID-Guy I think it's one of the biggest transformations of a watch. It turns a Frog into a Prince. Especially with the new Silver Dial. The 31mm or (36mm maybe) is the ladies dress watch of 2022\2023 IMO. It would be nice if the steel 41 blue dial looked a little less 'Lego' but I am basically going to get one anyway.

[@wristopia4101]

@@ID-Guy I would go as far as saying that the 31mm is actually a better choice than a Datejust (no date for starters) and so is the first Tudor that is genuinely better than a Rolex.

[@wristopia4101]

@@ID-Guy Check out my ROLEX BATMAN 'DARK KNIGHT' Prediction 😈

[@louishiggins5817]

Amazing😍

[@TheAmbitiousPeasant]

Love your iteration

[@adamkidson4444]

I like the old crown and the new crown and you can buy an Unckle seiko jubilee for the bb36. Tudor bb36 stopped using ETA a while ago they use sellita

[@truthdragon7719]

Im glad they've got rid of the radius'd text and I much prefer the shield motif, they can drop the rose for me.

[@markhighfill]

I have the blue dial 41 smiley. I've been expecting this.

[@rodsalvador3608]

My guess is that with Rolex moving upmarket into haute, and Tudor filling in the vacuum, management wants to sever ties with the old smiley face Tudor. In the corporate branding sense with the Shield makes more sense with Tudor sponsoring events like the Nazare surfing championships, endurance cycling and World Rugby. IMO they should have at least leaned into the heritage with at least one model using the smiley face and rose logo on the dial, while moving the shield to the crown.

[@JustAboutTime]

Funny isn’t it .. people give Bremont endless grief for having used ETA and Sellita movements .. but can’t abide the idea of Tudor championing an in-house calibre? I own two Tudors, A BB Chrono, and the BB GMT, and I very much like the MT calibre movements.

[@Cohen.the.Worrier]

If they're going to take away the smiley face, they'd better give me the T-fit clasp in return or no deal! Ok, I already have the BB36, perhaps the new model in blue then?

[@ID-Guy]

I have it on good authority that hte Jubilee will come equipped with T-fit (think they've already been debuted) - it'll be a stellar machine when it drops! Also would be fantastic with some colours 🥃

[@MIZRAIM1906]

When you look down at the smiling dial, just know the watch is smiling at you because it knows you really wanted a Rolex

[@bogarbill6331]

Nonsens

[@Nefville]

Here's a thought for you IDGuy, if Tudor has moved production to Le Locle then they will have to remove "Geneve" from the dial as Le Locle is in the Canton of Neuchâtel and NOT Geneva. So have fun figuring out how the text on the dials is going to balance from here on out....

[@JogieGlenMait16]

I'm indifferent to this change but having ETA is more convenient for servicing. But having in house movement is cooler on paper.

[@jamiedamaral4011]

I wish they would offer the Prince date in the US

[@shahrouzhafez6667]

The Royale still uses a non in-house movement as well.

[@reedgrabowski8314]

Transitioning the remainder of the BlackBay watches to the changes Tudor made in the 31/36/39/41 steel and gold versions would draw me to seriously consider the steel 36mm BB. I keenly desire the extra power reserve and COSC certification. Having a Selita or ETA movement does make the watch easier to service, but the detriment is the power reserve. 15 to 20 years from now, when Tudor brings about a rose in shield motif at the 12 o'clock and goes to one line of text above the 6 o'clock, many will be clamoring much the same as today regarding the smiling 'self winding'. The cheese is moving, time to move to the cheese.