Did Warner Bros. turn the fans against Zack Snyder - A ROBSERVATIONS Short Take

[@brandonbaerga4972]

If my black ass gets called racist for not watching a black Clark Kent movie that’s fine by me 🤷🏽‍♂️ you won’t get my money

[@Andre-hm5vo]

Then you are causing a violation against human rights

[@keithoneil9894]

If WB did anything, they made fans turn on the studio. When things came to lighten how the higher ups at DC and WB treated Snyder, I noticed a change in tide towards how movie fans viewed him.

[@timb.4427]

It's too late we don't want em they called us toxic bro I been in these comments since b4 bvs was announced.. ive yet to see any threatening on her from snyder's fans now star wars fans thts a diff story

[@AquapolisQuest]

Yes, WB did. Their PR strategy really had me believing Justice League was a disaster because of Snyder. But the Snyder cut proves otherwise. The WB Exec Team needs to be investigated for malfeasance.

[@AquapolisQuest]

Wonder Woman 1984 suffered because the movie felt out of place. The first Wonder Woman had the added benefit of feeling like an origin story, so it didn’t need to “fit in” to the Universe being built as seemlessly. 1984 demonstrates for us that the DCEU was left without direction, so 1984 doesn’t build onto anything the way a Marvel movie does. Which makes the third act fall flat.

[@AquapolisQuest]

I don’t think the Exec Team at WB seems to understand the very simple, basic concept of a Sacred Timeline. They need to sit down, map out a clear phase one, then stick to it when building their Universe. Why there isn’t a core team of writers mapping out the DCEU like Marvel does with their Universe baffles me.

[@shauntempley9757]

@The nerd collector It does not help that WB stepped up the criticism that certain groups started. The fact his daughter committed suicide over that intense criticism shows they went too far.

[@AquapolisQuest]

@The nerd collector righttt. The WB Exec team didn’t have to comment to Variety or Deadline. They were just tricked by some priestess with a voodoo doll to throw Zach Snyder under the bus, then cover up Joss Whedon’s abuses. I think if you read Ray Fisher’s take of the events, it’s very clear that the people at the top lack vision, don’t trust the people they hire to fulfill a vision, and are perfectly happy to blame anybody but themselves for failure by their own abuses of power.

[@AquapolisQuest]

@The nerd collector you’re what’s wrong with the internet. You are a tumultuous tornado of self-contradictions. There’s no point in having an intelligent debate with a nerd who lacks any sign of intelligence higher than an elementary behavioral level.

[@thebendu33]

Rob, you have to be one on of the most interesting figure in movie related shows.

[@TheTurbanator123]

I think what's more clear to me is that people of this generation grew up on justice league animated series universe. It took me a while to get on board and embrace snyders take. It was specifically when the ultimate edition of batman v superman came out that I started to like his take on dc a lot more. I enjoyed man of steel but it wasn't until this new context that I was ready to rewatch man of steel and embrace it for what it is. There's no conspiracy here. Character deconstruction is risky. Look at luke in the last jedi. They deconstructed him. Superman and batman go through similar things and fans reacted strongly. The difference is jj Abrams HAD NO PLAN. Snyder was always going to build them back up. There is no conspiracy fans just were to impatient to let snyder verse take its time.

[@starkiller3098]

Snyder cut truly feels like the animated Justice League to me

[@TheTurbanator123]

@@starkiller3098 yeah that might be because its the only justice league movie. The truth is we can get something better. Which is another reason to like the snyder cut. There's still "room for more"

[@michaelchen1755]

You're right it's the gen that grew up on the animated series that's crying the loudest

[@TheTurbanator123]

@@michaelchen1755 I fucking love the animated series. And I felt there pain. Personally my first superman batman would have been buddy cop. Mixed with a best friend drama. A will they won't they butting heads until a mutual understanding is formed. Kind of what falcon and winter soldier did but way better of course lol. I love batman v superman the ultimate edition though. My favorite thing about snyders films is the music and costuming. He gave us a grey batman you'd think animated fans would like that. Reeves is taking us to all black again.

[@Ukaran]

Yes, blame the fans, not the director. 🙄

[@clickycrust]

Yes. They could've prevented all this by standing behind their work and their director.

[@roguegoner]

@The nerd collector fucked up part, BvS alone was worth another episode of a film

[@thebuck2708]

Dude wtf are you taking about? The Snyder fans are bigger and better than ever.

[@Rwp019]

Haven't watched yet but I took this as in past tense. How they leaked that Joss was brought in to save an unwatchable film and credited that shit show as Snyder's work

[@thebuck2708]

@@Rwp019 man get hbo max and watch it, if not they're releasing the 4k blue ray on Sept 7th. After you watch it, it's guaranteed you will be pissed off about what we got in 2017. It is epic! And is now the most watched comic book movie in China, beating Endgame, and #1 for the 5th week in the UK and WB won't release the numbers in the USA because they don't want to lose face, it was Sabotaged. Very sad. They will definitely agree the merger restore the SnyderVerse. It's that good.

[@Rwp019]

@@thebuck2708 I have watched the Snyder Cut many times. I was referring to this video. I knew WB had set up Snyder as I have family that worked behind the scenes on those movies. I felt bad as after MOS they forced him to rush everything. Hell Batman V Superman was a product of Zack being forced to cram 5 movies into 1 for instance

[@thebuck2708]

@@Rwp019 oh OK my bad.

[@Rwp019]

@@thebuck2708 it happens but I obviously agree the Snyder Cut IS THAT DAMN GOOD! Just wish we could get to see more of his unaltered vision

[@michaelchen1755]

Last Superman movie before MoS the fans rejected, people seem to forget that

[@kryptonian5539]

whats funny is that movie tried to do everything the haters wish MoS did. It was terrible.

[@michaelchen1755]

@@kryptonian5539 I welcome the realistic take on Superman...people might "hate" it but they never said they were doing a comic accurate take. No way a indestructible being the world will just accept like Superman the Movie. He or she would have to earn that trust

[@bashirgenius12]

Honestly, if WB turned ANY "Zack Snyder fans" against him, then they were never Snyder fans to begin with.

[@Andre-hm5vo]

That's true

[@TheFrankKnightRises2]

F the #JJVerse Warner gonna go broke they can't even tickle marvel/disney. #RestoreTheSnyderVerse either way I'll be happy to watch you guys go broke.

[@vileconsumption7547]

That letter echos all of my problems with Warner. The DC ip is DEAD because of them.

[@jonathanjollimore7156]

Shit rolls down hill people running things always find away to try and shift blame for bad decisions down hill to people bellow

[@Andre-hm5vo]

Blame game

[@popcornbuster752]

With all those hit pieces, they tried to bury his career but triumphed over!

[@MedalionDS9]

That seems to have failed since I still see people trying to hashtag restorethesnyderverse

[@mala6238]

True.

[@jorgiebutt]

“Trying to”. . .? I think they are doing it successfully as we speak. I’m not seeing Twitter banning anyone for tweeting/retweeting the hashtag.

[@kryptonian5539]

not only that. Army of the Dead is the number one streaming movies for a few weeks. Thats a movie WB didnt want to make and sold the rights not netflix. Yet another missed opportunity for them.

[@mala6238]

@@kryptonian5539 yeah. Not a fan of that movie, but big L for WB nonetheless.

[@victor6207-d6h]

Those letters were well written And very accurately express my feelings towards Warner brothers for not restoring Zach Snyder's vision. A terrible shame that Warner bros had only to stay loyal to their directors with a solid vision and direction That could easily compete toe to toe with the MCU. Executives at Warner brothers Are the absolute worst. And completely without common sense

[@KonohazFinest]

It wasn't just warner brothers because practically every news site bashed dc from man of steel to justifiably justice league.

[@michaelchen1755]

Before they even started filming people was bashing the movie

[@anthonymckenzie5443]

Just like Snyder fans are doing to all new DCEU films and anything to do with WB!! Toxic!!

[@KonohazFinest]

@@anthonymckenzie5443 toxic? Take that woke shit somewhere else

[@comicguy4417]

Warner Bros turned the fans against themselves, not Zack Snyder. After watching the Snyder Cut, fans want to see Zack's vision get completed. #RestoreTheSnyderVerse

[@pascalmussungu8584]

Zack Snyder Justice League is the proof that the fans are against WB Studios not Zack WB is the real enemy of DC and now the fans stopped to show up in theaters

[@vincentsolis5149]

Robert, do you book Robservations when making dinner plans?

[@deaddropholiday]

Listen to the fans and it won't be long before you are sat with them.

[@Alejandro-ny9pv]

Zack Snyder is divisive

[@roguegoner]

Zack Snyder is a DC production hero

[@Andre-hm5vo]

The audience are paradoxical

[@ZandeKongo]

My answer is no. You either went into Zack Snyder's DC films being a fan of his to begin with or not. Now, if the question was did WB do everything in their power to exasperate the hatred some had for him? That's unequivocally yes.

[@Ukaran]

He did it himself, by ruining these characters, and acting all arrogant when criticized about it.

[@hallofsilence8992]

Star Starks still hurts

[@under_score3829]

WB needs to come up with a compromise. They're clearly afraid that in the wake of the Snyder Cut, responding to popular demand in anyway will make it look like all they do is "cave" to specific fan requests, and that they don't have any of their own agency. Their solution to this seems to be to actively go against the grain, greenlighting a project that puts them at odds with almost every group in the Fandom. The new Superman film disappoints Henry Cavill fans by being a reboot about someone else, further postponing Cavill's future outings as the DCEU Superman. It disappoints Snyder fans for the same reason. It disappoints both Superman purists and many DC fans of color by race-bending the character, when many of those people would prefer to instead see movies about John Stewart, Icon, Vixen, etc. And it even disappoints DC Comic Lore purists, who might have defended the film had it been about one of the other versions of Superman in the comics who was black (like Val Zod or Calvin Ellis). But by making the film about a race-bent Clark Kent, WB has lost even the die hard core comic people as well because now they're violating comic lore too. Going against popular demand might prove WB is pulling the strings, but it doesn't serve them in the long term. What they should be doing is finding a way to respond to popular demand while still making it clear that they're the ones in charge. The best way to do that is to do a unique compromise. The more unique the better. A compromise like having Snyder make a Cyborg film or greenlighting an Atom film or a Martian Manhunter film keeps the door open for the Snyderverse without WB directly saying "Ok fine, we'll make those sequels just because you said so." It responds to Snyderverse demand with something that people didn't ask for but ultimately helps what they want.

[@masfu3597]

I agree with you..

[@connormcleod9595]

Mario is a legend

[@49Meisn]

It sucks that we would be possibly seen as racists if the black Superman movie fails, because we want Ray Fisher as Cyborg!!! #IStandWithRayFisher

[@kiyaleelevyrunaya9495]

Against Zack? You mean DC Fans? Pre-JL? No. Those were MCU fans claiming online to be DC fans just so they could openly, without consequence or backlash, hate on the DCEU. And at the same time ruin it's reputation, which clearly showed in box office numbers. It literally was a war, but only one side had weapons, while the other was sleeping during the attack. The attackers obviously being MCU fans. (Sure, they've cooled down a few notches after Endgame, but we don't forget the past). Or if you mean right now, in current times? Then no, there's literally nothing but love these days for Zack. WB turned DC fans against WB, not against Zack. I think that is very obvious by just even cassually glancing at the comments of the past months. I don't even know why you would think they made the fans turn against Zack, have you not seen the succes of both Zack's JL and Army of the Dead? They're massive succes stories! Even those who used to hate on him, MCU fans, are now trying to lure him into the MCU to direct Blade or Wolverine or anything else, they're also suddenly trying to lure in DC actors, who'm they've hated on for years and years. It just showcases the mindset of MCU fans. How their thinking is hate based. If there's any hate still out there, it's these losers who've been spreading hate, even turning hate into a hype, for over 15 years. As if Zack, or any of the DC actors, would trade in WB (which they left because of the meddling and dishonesty and unfair treatments) for Disney, which meddles 100% more, is dishonest 100% more and literally trains people in racism. Again; a showcase of the MCU mindset. Doesn't take a genius to put 1 and 1 together. But it sure as hell takes a whole lot more than the entire MCU fandom. xD

[@whatsupdoc155]

No. Film critics and people like you did that.

[@VigilanteWilliamson]

I really wish Zack would have told G+G no as to not be disrespectful. He also doubled down. That said its obvious WB wanted the Snydercut to fail. I'm still hoping for a batfleck spin off*.

[@YEAR-1-RELICS]

Why does the studio hate Zack so much ?? Is it his political views. No matter what they are it would be wrong to do this to anyone.

[@transistormedia]

I was pretty much anti Snyder after watching man of steel which I kinda loathed. Then seeing all the dumb comments he made about the movir afterwards AND then the dreadful Batman versus Superman? I was completely checked out on him and his childish DC. Whatever he tried to do after that it was much too late.

[@mistermastermind528]

Yep. Well, I kinda gave the benefit of the doubt for BvS but after that, nah.

[@tomnorton4277]

Rob, what do you think of Sucker Punch? That's the most original movie Zack Snyder has ever made and probably will ever make. It had no source material, coming completely from the creativity of Snyder and his collaborators. It's the sort of movie that audiences claim to want. And what happened when it came out? It was raked over the coals by audiences, critics and even Snyder's fellow filmmakers.

[@wmccormick3]

Yep indeed

[@alexhayden219]

Snyder is a terrible writer and director, but I want the Snyderverse to continue (without him and under a better creative direction) because Cavill is probably the most perfect person living on this planet to play Clark/Superman and deserves the chance to actually do so in a good movie.

[@martinwinter615]

LOL, Snyderfans are so delusional. It was not WB's fault but Geek & Gamers fuck it up Snyder was obligated to explain that they are not linked with G&G cause the regulation under whom the charity stuff was going was not clearly regulated.

[@adriansuarez8245]

This fan speaks to a lot of fans not all but a lot including myself I will also not support Robert Patterson Batman and whatever this crap that jar jar Abrams Superman is.

[@Andre-hm5vo]

Thank you sir nice to see some intelligence around here. #RestoreTheSnyderVerse

[@kingvagar]

The thing is, if they (corporate) put love into Star Trek & DCU (which ever their project is) they would have made so much money (the one thing that they all care about) but no, let's do our best at being lazy... it is truly mindboggling. 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@ronniep1366]

Not real fans of zachs work.

[@L1ghtOn3]

Yes and they'll try it again, getting Zack to participate in something or post something the fans will take aim at....anything happen recently? Hmmm......

[@wmir2350]

the title is the other way around

[@connormcleod9595]

Turn on Warner you mean

[@auiki]

The funniest thing is I’m not a Star Trek fan at all, but love the Kelvin timeline films. 2009 is in my top 10 most favourite films of all time. Film is so subjective.

[@josearrocha3377]

This right here. I actually like the Star Trek films Rob hates.

[@lyeszerari6542]

the other way around

[@richietorresmma]

You can’t say Zack fans aren’t toxic and in the same breathe say the whole of the internet is toxic. Sure I’d probably agree except the snyder fans are very busy on the internet which includes them as well.. all fanbases can be toxic. Including snyder fans

[@hallofsilence8992]

Facts

[@JohnBelley86]

Three lies nerd fandom likes to repeat: -The Snyder cut was good -Marvel had a plan all along -Patty Jenkins is a great director If you believe any of these, congrats, you bought studio marketing.

[@BiggestDawgEver]

Nope. I never really cared for MOS while I think BvS and JL were trash(you are free to disagree). I loved Watchmen and 300 but I loathe the DCEU. To be fair though, Snyder's complete lack of understanding of either the DC universe or what he was hired to do, is as much to blame as WB meddling for DC's failure to resonate with a broader audience. Instead he delivered divisive films.

[@Ukaran]

The fact of the matter is that, at the end of the day, both WB and Snyder are at fault here. WB for having no love for this franchise and treating it as just another cash cow, and Snyder for having no actual understanding of these characters and what makes them so iconic and beloved.

[@TheTatdAkuma]

You tried

[@Ukaran]

@@TheTatdAkuma ???

[@trekkiedave7910]

Rob, I love your content overall - but sometimes I listen to you and just shake my head… That’s such a personal and subjective argument - all those making Star Trek today don’t ‘love’ it How the fuck do you KNOW that? When I watch New Trek whether it be Star Trek Beyond or Lower Decks - I see a lot of love onscreen - I don’t even know what kind of argument you’re trying to make here but it’s clearly nothing ‘objective’ and it’s clearly just HOW YOU ‘FEEL’ Discovery has cinematic visuals on a television show… Seriously 😳

[@ck_idgaf1680]

IMO he did it to himself, he takes veiled shots at WB, he had that incident on youtube and he has taken shots at his fans before.. his fans have become a cult almost, but I bet none of them would donate a dime to get his films made, but hashtag WB to oblivion.. he has become over-hyped and some of these tubers have helped with that hype train, I like a few of his films but am not crazy about everything he does.

[@clickycrust]

His fans donated 750K to American Suicide Prevention but go off I guess.

[@venomsnake225]

Okay so you obviously don't know what you're talking about pal.

[@Vesohag]

The same can be said about tubers that have helped to stupidly hate on the guy and his movies. And the fans have indeed donated a lot of money to the AFSP. And I have never seen any interview or anything of Zack being mean to the fans.

[@skullquarry]

Blasphemy against the spirit of Zack Snyder will not be forgiven. Amen! 💀⚰

[@yash1140]

@@Vesohag in fact, if Zack was the self entitled narcissistic maniac that people refer to him as, he'd never interview with small KZbinrs. Heck, he's even interviewed with fans with less than 1k subs, just because he loves all his fans equally.

[@Fatdecember]

Zack will say anything to get his movie made. We all heard him put down fans who supported him while accepting donations for his cause during that G+G stream. Outside of watchmen, I’m not much of a fan of anything he’s done which makes this less hard for me to even say. At some point he’ll have to get away from being a victim cause that only goes so far after a while.

[@kadeforte3604]

Did he put down fans who supported him?? Because what i saw his him distancing himself from known bigots. The fact that you put your cap on for G+G is so telling of your character.

[@mala6238]

He did not distance himself from people but from a brand they pun on a site, even though both parties agreed to erase the G+G logo. Nothing to do with throwing fans under the bus. But people will continue to keep this myth alive as it fits their agenda...

[@Fatdecember]

@@kadeforte3604 You know nothing about me and my character. Secondly, he distanced himself while being on the stream with the people you call bigots (make that make sense). Your logic makes no sense if he willingly went on to then put down people who donated a large amount of money to his cause (never mind that too right?). He was scared shitless of WB. That’s a fact. His wife was receiving emails/msgs from WB and she was yelling at him from what the person (who’s black btw) said he heard while speaking to him on the phone. Don’t speak on things, when your information is limited on the actual matter. Thanks 💁‍♂️

[@Fatdecember]

@@mala6238 For starters, yes that was done by mistake, but his handling was just as bad imo. People donated a lot of money to his cause. It was a charity stream least we forget (let’s not act like a lot of money wasn’t donated). People who didn’t even like his movies chipped in. He knew who he was getting involved with cause they had zoom conversations and Jeremy (who sat this one out on purpose) of G+G even told him he wasn’t much a fan of his, but was doing this for the fans of the whole Snyder cut movement. Were the facts I presented above I just laid out a myth too?

[@kadeforte3604]

@@Fatdecember no if you support g+g knowing how they get down then your character is shit, no way around that my guy. He was there for a good cause not kick it like they’re buddies. He was scared shitless of Wb? The same wb he fought against, the same one he publicly says how he feels about them? Take that tinfoil hat off and go outside and touch some grass.

[@TTx04xCOBRA]

BvS turned the general public against him. Snyder fans wont admit it, but BvS's HUGE second weekend box office drop is proof word of mouth was terrible. BvS is also to blame for JL 2017 poor box office: the general public (which makes 90 percent of moviegoers) dont know or care who directs a movie, they had no idea Joss Wedon was brought in, they just know they hated BvS and had no interest in Justice League. The numbers dont lie.

[@mala6238]

I admit it. Still love the UE. Its not for everyone.

[@yash1140]

And BvS was turned into the mess it was by Warner Brothers. So, ultimately, they're still the reason behind Zack being hated. They call us fans "toxic cultists", while not sparing the man even during a family tragedy. Majority of his haters celebrated his daughter's death as something he deserved.

[@jamesgomez7949]

False

[@TTx04xCOBRA]

@@yash1140 Snyder isn't special, every studio tells their directors the lenght they want their movie and the dos and donts, its the directors job to make a good movie within those rules. It's still on Snyder

[@TTx04xCOBRA]

@@jamesgomez7949 You can look up the numbers, go ahead

[@richw103]

That guy does not need any help from anyone - he is over hyped as a director

[@yash1140]

Overhyped as a director, underappreciated as an artist. Balances things out

[@Andre-hm5vo]

No intelligence here 😁