Did Yankee Continental Segregation Cause the War? by Donald Livingston

[@PETTIGREW1861]

Excellent. Donald Livingston is one of my heroes.

[@barbarataylor8101]

This argument should be presented in public schools. It is by far the best presentation of real facts about this time period.

[@TexasIndependenceNow]

LIVINGSTON! LIVINGSTON! LIVINGSTON! ~Thanks Abbeville, Thank ya Dr. Livingston. 🇸🇴 DEO VINDICE.

[@johnclair8546]

Texas Independence Now.

[@jalander8817]

Dixie is with you!

[@Petal4822]

The plantation owners owed the slaves compensation for years of unpaid work so it was only fitting that the slaves should have been given part of the plantations.

[@johnm2197]

Thankyou for the Lecture. Excellent. I have become more aware of the numerous relatives I have in the South. Particularly Virginia. Makes me one of the few Australians who do so! I am very proud of this. And love the history you are giving. The falsification of the history of the South by the North is appalling. More so the War inflicted on it. The Truth is here.

[@jannyjt2034]

As a black American, this is some of the best history I've ever heard. Thank you Abbeville institute.

[@robertryan2542]

Thank you very much for this video. I do pray that some day the South will rise again. From Ireland 🇮🇪.

[@Myfriendwaits]

The "South" MUST rise because the same ideology that concerns the individual's rights is ultimately what EVERYTHING is about. ..Our rights, as individuals, our relationship to our Creator, and the give and take thereof. Government will have to take a backseat, at best, one day soon.

[@ginov.7039]

Thank you for this speech, I believe everything here needs to be said and understood.

[@marvz71]

I may be the last unreconstructed around here. Free Tennessee, secede.

[@jalander8817]

Not a chance brother. yes Free Tennessee and all of Dixie. 🤠

[@ScotchIrishHoundsman]

Free Texas too!

[@neilmccann5826]

"The South will rise again!".....that is, until the woke corporations relocate their HQ and employees there and take over your state by the ballot box. 😄

[@JohnSmith-oy3ys]

forever unreconstructed.. free Alabama

[@Petal4822]

The plantation owners owed the slaves compensation for years of unpaid work so it was only fitting that the slaves should have been given part of the plantations.

[@victorparker308]

I would also add to Civil War casualties the hundreds of thousands of deaths caused by the violence and and dislocations (black & white) of yankee Reconstruction, then the Southern poverty and Jim Crow civil struggles and associated deaths that in reality didn't end until around 1970. Unintended consequences of an illegal war that lasted for 110 years. The South should have been allowed to leave. Slavery would have died out on it's own or thru compensation as it did in other slave holding societies all over the world. As a black American of southern decent I believe a million precious lives would have saved and black Americans would have been assimilated more quickly & successfully into main stream society.

[@SandfordSmythe]

The South was too locked in slavery for political and economic reasons Woe to ever even mentioned the topic. In many counties the slaves out numbered the whites, and whites were no going to psychologically deal with that. I'm not a cotton grower but I understand that cotton required hand picking well into the 20th century. There would have been an armed uprising first.

[@richardeldridge6522]

If the South had become a separate nation, then Americans could wave a huge foam rubber finger around and holler. "We're number three and five! We're number three and five!"

[@Myfriendwaits]

Thank you for your hard work uncovering praiseworthy efforts of Southerners and your clear, direct, easily understood delivery. I feel somewhat redeemed after listening to you. My Southern heritage makes better sense now.

[@Petal4822]

The war was over money not over slaves.

[@richardeldridge6522]

Slaves were what is known as a "fungible commodity". So, yeah, that.

[@mattshackelford6624]

Someone buy this guy lunch. Excellent argument.

[@gillygil8747]

I have never seen or heard a valid number of total Civil War dead. Given all of the civilian deaths, displacement of women and children with subsequent death, even soldiers on the battlefield? Methodology? Estimating this number is as valid as telling me how many guns are in America.

[@2ndavenuesw481]

They never would have joined "the Union" had it been specified in the Constitution that there was no right to withdraw from it.

[@stevenmay2937]

proff Liv is the best... very smart guy

[@rsd3637]

being the great grandson of a Gouglas lumber owner. I’ve always been proud of my Grandaddys heratige. , However his Path took him toPA, where I was born, in the anthracite hills of NE PA. ive read your writings from Abbe institute and I’ve renewed my love of the South. However my Nort East upbringing ing compel me to wonder how the Southern culture reconciles Jim Crowe. my Grandad in his 80s and 90s would still utter Boy or the N word, but even Blacks would look at him and allow for an aged man from a different generation. but it seems to me the current hatred has to do more with the Jim Crow segregation years than our great grandaddys decades I would be extremely interested in the Institutes thoughts on those years, Jim Crow!

[@rebelsoul5980]

Mr. Livingston you are a true hero and scholar, thank you so much for spreading your knowledge and truth. This nations demise started in 1865 when the tyrannical north enforced its centralized ideology on our nation. God bless you and God bless our nation ❌🇺🇲

[@davidcollins2648]

Racism in the North was deeper and more vociferous than in the South. The North considered them another race entirely mostly by virtue of never living around Blacks. Brutal plantation slavery was never more than half of the condition of slaves, many were in fact members of a trusted household, indeed family members in many cases. The willingness of many slaves to go to war beside their masters is testament to the fact that slave and master were labels for a system that did not preclude positive human relations between them.

[@daviddavenport9350]

If southern slavery was so benign, then why did the underground railroads exist for decades before the war and why did 500,000 slaves abandon their plantations when hearing of the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863?

[@Chris-qo4rt]

Doesn't matter, slavery as an institution is rotten to the core and the fact that the South were still clinging on to it in the 1860s when all western countries had abolished it is horrifying

[@garycage7900]

The South Carolinians should not have fired that god damn cannon...dream on old dude.

[@rsd3637]

even more so for the southern Founders who, for all intents and purposes either freed or left instructions to be freed upon their death. of all, but most. their monument destructions belie the character and the conflict within their souls

[@Petal4822]

The plantation owners owed the slaves compensation for years of unpaid work so it was only fitting that the slaves should have been given part of the plantations. Who controls who? Does the North still control the South?

[@garycage7900]

How would the people who raised your crops, herds, and children suddenly "die out."

[@harolddburke4726]

Lots of racism in jail . Rules that divide people up . I wish it could be left behind bars. Way to much between the people in America these days. We must treat each other with respect and dignity, or we are in for more trouble as individuals and as a nation. No matter what skin color is it is ridiculous to judge someone that way. That old teacher certainly knows this. Well the older you are the wiser you become. Morgan Freeman got it down. He is right on. One of my favorite actors as well.

[@VinceNeil-sg9nq]

You lost Lee got his ass kicked by Grant no matter how many troops or how better supplies General Grant's army was That's the Way it is in war. Even if Lee was a better General as you say he was which he's not he's still lost statistics are for losers you guys lost get over it. The Union should have hung Davis, Lee iand the rest of the leadership of the South as TRAITORS!!!

[@Petal4822]

The plantation owners owed the slaves compensation for years of unpaid work so it was only fitting that the slaves should have been given part of the plantations. Who controls who? Does the North still control the South?

[@Petal4822]

Martin Luther King👍🏻

[@TedConrad]

it is everyone's fault but those that started it...

[@johnwietfeldt6238]

Alternative facts don’t work. Really, the only way to heal a negative history is to acknowledge it and move hard in the opposite direction today.

[@richardmartin2646]

There's no money, power or control in that.

[@JonahMathews-m3v]

Secession today in 2024 is actually migration/ refuge for many.

[@Jacob-pu4zj]

0:14 Is that really the most appropriate thing to have in the intro, especially given that Mr Holowchak's lecture is going to be coming up in the near future?

[@GoldAndSilver988]

I've been wondering myself why that image is included since the whole idea has been thoroughly debunked.

[@jalander8817]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@Petal4822]

Why didn’t Abraham Lincoln give the Southern States to the freed black slaves on the condition they agreed not to leave the states of the Deep South. The Southern Plantation owners should have been given the choice of free land in the new unoccupied states as compensation for the loss of their slaves or stay and have their plantation divided up between them and their slaves.

[@ThomasJJacksonVA]

If George Washington could secede (from the British Empire), why can't we?

[@thomasreaves588]

Why do you want to secede from these United States of America?

[@ThomasJJacksonVA]

@@thomasreaves588 I'll give you one reason. Because the US is infested with people whose mothers didn't teach them that it was rude to answer a question with a question.

[@thomasreaves588]

@@ThomasJJacksonVA You would want to secede from this great nation simply because some people demonstrate rudeness by "answering a questioned with a question"? That is a very stupid reason to turn your back on your own nation. The Confederates' choice to secede in order to maintain their evil institution of slavery was just as dumb! to maintain their evil institution of slavery

[@ThomasJJacksonVA]

@@thomasreaves588 As Mark Twain said, “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”

[@guidototh6091]

@@ThomasJJacksonVA Why not answer his question? Here is your chance.

[@daviddavenport9350]

"as He died to make men Holy, let us die to make men FREE..." verse in the Battle Hymn of the Republic......are you certain that the idea of ending slavery was not part of the whole equation?

[@bpoole99251]

Anybody have any thoughts on how Mr. Thomas Sowell's hypothesis of black culture related to Mr. Livingstons lecture here?

[@karenbartlett1307]

Dr. Sowell, as I understand it, contends that blacks got their current culture from the Southern "poor" class, who brought it from parts of the United Kingdom. However, here Dr. Livingston says that blacks "were integrated into Southern society through the plantation household". Black slaves had little contact with the "lower classes" of whites in the South, so I don't see how they could have gotten their culture from them. Further, there were few "poor whites" in the South prior to the War. There was little poverty. The South was much "richer" than the North before the War (although they weren't interested in wealth per se and thought that Northerners, especially Puritan Yankees, were "money grubbers".) There were yeomen farmers (small farmers) but they weren't poor. They had all they wanted. They weren't after "wealth", rather, they were after independence. The poverty of the South came about because of, and as a result of, the War. Dr. Sowell is mistaken, imo, having had little contact with the South himself and not actually understanding its history, circumstances, way of thinking or population demographics in the Antebellum period.

[@bpoole99251]

@@karenbartlett1307 I could not agree more. His hypothesis of how black culture has come about today is still laid at the feet of white people whether they Southern or not. I have no good answers for why black culture still lags behind except for the incessant coddling by big government via welfare, etc, etc... Anyway, as with any argument I am sure there are truths hidden on both sides.

[@karenbartlett1307]

@@bpoole99251 Well, I don't know that it "lags behind". If you take it for what it is, a culture from Africa, transplanted to America, it is, imo, right in step with itself. Other immigrant cultures also keep roots of their Old World cultures, which is only normal. American Indians also keep their own cultures to an extent, even in families who are "assimilated". This is Henry Louis Gates, Jr., writing about aspects of black culture in his book "The Signifying Monkey", discussed in this Wikipedia article under "Career" of Mr. Gates: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Louis_Gates_Jr. He does not ascribe to the theory of the "legacy of slavery" as far as I can tell, as do people who believe in the Welfare State. I tend to agree with Mr. Sowell-and you as well- on that He says it's the "reforms" of the 1960's (during which the Welfare State was created) that has caused the breakdown, for example, of the Black family (rather than some "legacy of slavery"), by making promiscuity and out-of-wedlock childbirth almost the norm among Black people (and increasingly among white as well). During slavery, as Mr. Sowell states, most Black people were married and had two-parent homes, and this was true up until the 1960's when the liberals tried to "help"" them by introducing the Welfare State. Imo, the "ghetto" culture is not true Black culture, but an innovation since the 1960's-during which time not only was Welfare introduced on a large scale, but Black neighborhoods (with their community-based cultures) were torn down and huge housing "projects" were built, with no more corner groceries, no more "Mom and Pop" stores, no recognizable neighborhoods with their churches and schools, etc. Now these "projects" are dominated by gangs and drugs and people live in fear there. There are no grocery stores, either, just convenience and liquor stores, such that people can't get to stores where there is healthy food to cook and eat. The schools are also crap, and I don't know if churches remain.

[@leonartist4413]

@@karenbartlett1307 that's the dumbest sh!t I ever heard, you obviously have no clue how blacks were brutulized at the hands of the wicket white race

[@rockyk1950]

True

[@garycage7900]

Hey, old man, give us Alaska! We will take it.

[@Markbeb3]

Yes it did.

[@rockyk1950]

The war was not fundamentally about succession. It was about losing the southern tax base that the fence got through extremely high tariffs. Mostly paid by the self. It was about money and taxes. Has been Franklin said, “death and taxes“. That should have been Lincoln‘s motto.

[@2ndavenuesw481]

Integration was always off the table. As for the South accepting integration, that's an absurdity. They were stuck with slavery because they didn't know what to do with the blacks. A lot of blacks moved North and a lot of whites moved South. This is why the South is livable today.

[@davidkillen2207]

The war wasn’t over slavery

[@normalfellow1113]

yes it was.

[@Petal4822]

The plantation owners owed the slaves compensation for years of unpaid work so it was only fitting that the slaves should have been given part of the plantations.

[@Petal4822]

Who controls who? Does the North still control the South?

[@Petal4822]

The war was over money !!

[@patriotsrebelsrogues7332]

you do ofcourse know that Dixie should sue new england for defamation if this is true.

[@TexasIndependenceNow]

It is True. How are you going to 'sue' when first of all there is zero👌 Representative government and secondly, the system in which to 'sue' in is owned and controlled by the very yankees that overthrew and hijacked it?

[@patriotsrebelsrogues7332]

@@TexasIndependenceNow no idea add it to the list of grievances when Dixie says fuck it I'm out again I guess.

[@Petal4822]

The plantation owners owed the slaves compensation for years of unpaid work so it was only fitting that the slaves should have been given part of the plantations.

[@patriotsrebelsrogues7332]

@@Petal4822 so you are saying that room board clothing healthcare job training (and yes there was alot of skilled jobs to be done) education and in some cases investment in the slaves off site business wasn't enough?

[@Petal4822]

@@patriotsrebelsrogues7332 Would you work a 12 hour day for board and lodgings with no paycheque?

[@marvz71]

I will unfortunately take exception with one point. Secession does still to this day cause war with some people. The Donetsk and Luhansk regions have been attempting to follow Crimea to secede from artificially having been created and amalgamated with Ukraine by the USSR. The Donbass has been shelled regularly for 8 years by Kiev's nationalists that just won't let them go peacefully. History definitely rhymes.

[@menlikegods363]

Zelenskyy is the Ukraine's Lincoln.

[@TexasIndependenceNow]

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[@howardclegg6497]

@@menlikegods363 The less atentative prefer to compare him to Churchill.

[@GodwynDi]

@@howardclegg6497 They must have missed the part where Churchill fought against the nazis

[@guidototh6091]

Putin now seeks to conquer all of Ukraine, a little project he created in 2014 when he invaded the Donbas and Crimea.

[@Occupied_South]

Deo Vindice

[@daviddavenport9350]

But!!! Why were there Save States and Free States in antebellum America well before 1860 (Vermont had outlawed slavery within its borders in 1777!!!)....and how does that not give the North a moral advantage? The Northern states abolished slavery one at a time (except for the Northwest Ordinance, which barred slavery from all the states and territories North of the Ohio River)....the South would not hear of abolishing slavery, and punished its own abolitionists.

[@Adam-qe9br]

There were atleast 4 union slave states that remained that way DURING the Civil war. The slavery argument doesn't work if you look at actual facts. The north didn't have the moral high ground, and if you researched what Sherman and his army did to the south during his many campaigns, you'll know just how immoral the North was.

[@Adam-qe9br]

There were atleast 4 union slave states that remained that way DURING the Civil war. The slavery argument doesn't work if you look at actual facts. The north didn't have the moral high ground, and if you researched what Sherman and his army did to the south during his many campaigns, you'll know just how immoral the North was.

[@Petal4822]

Why didn’t Abraham Lincoln give the Southern States to the freed black slaves on the condition they agreed not to leave the states of the Deep South. The Southern Plantation owners should have been given the choice of free land in the new unoccupied states as compensation for the loss of their slaves or stay and have their plantation divided up between them and their slaves. The plantation owners owed the slaves compensation for years of unpaid work so it’s only fitting they should be given part of the plantation. 👍🏻

[@richardeldridge6522]

That is a very good point.

[@JT-bc5cd]

The Plantation owners provided the slaves with food, shelter and clothing throuhout that time. There was existing pecuniary and fiduciary duties that slave owners upheld-many slaves lived far more comfortably than their freed brethren

[@daviddavenport9350]

Wasnt the decades, nay Centuries of free labor compensation enough for southern slaveholders? Why should the profit even more by doing the only moral thing?

[@danarose6314]

No, actually small fairies with war wands started it.

[@daviddavenport9350]

I certainly disagree...the idea that secession was constitutional was not at all settled in 1860.....

[@bobtaylor170]

Lincoln wasn't inclined to debate the matter, was he?

[@fruitingfungi]

When this guy talks about his lifes work I only hear him mention slavery in the context that it has nothing to do with the civil war. He muses and boasts about Jeffersonian government while never once mentioning and therefore not considering that this form of governance only works with free labor (slavery) and the taking of Native American land through violence (manifest destiny or lebensraum).

[@JT-bc5cd]

Oh no a superior people conquering an inferior people-that only ever happened to the poor American Indians in all of history amirite?

[@fruitingfungi]

@@JT-bc5cd superior? We-irdo

[@JT-bc5cd]

@@fruitingfungi when in the frame of conquest, yes my ancestors were superior to theirs. Its really not that hard a concept to grasp if you loosen the bondage of 400 years of Liberalism’s wrong assumptions about nature and human nature more specifically