Differences in IQ have real consequences - Jordan Peterson

[@charliedallachie3539]

Anxiety counts too, put under pressure to perform some freeze up. Doesn’t mean they’re stupid.....some can’t perform under pressure or demands. Leave them alone they could design incredible things.

[@jamesduff6937]

@Signal 11 Well said Charlie. I'm one of those people that freeze up to some degree.

[@kinks_6113]

From what I gathered that’s also one cause of brain fog. Diet, exercise, certain habits can greatly affect someone’s performance. I’ve been scouring the Internet for something that goes in depth on if people could be severely limited by their environment and if you could “unlock” their true potential

[@davonbenson4361]

Exactly. Tests have a linear design. The more problems that you have to solve at once, the more stress that you’ll be put under.

[@charliedallachie3539]

@@davonbenson4361 the true IQ imo is what you end up doing in your life… a lot of well paying trades don’t require a college degree

[@davonbenson4361]

@@charliedallachie3539. Facts!

[@jakebryant7658]

I think Dr Peterson is spot on. I’ve notice a number of these comments saying that IQ is not necessarily a great predictor of intelligence. From what study I have done (some but not much) on intelligence, Dr. Peterson is quite accurate. What I notice some conflating though is the relationship of intelligence to competence in different fields. If an 80 IQ person and a 130 IQ person both became welders together, the point to be made is that the 80 IQ person would likely need to exert greater effort and time to become skilled whereas the 130 person likely would not. This does not mean the 80 cannot be good at the job, obtain wisdom, or gain a similar level of competency. It simply seems to refer to capacity. When the 130 reaches competency faster, there is a time differential created. While the 80 is still becoming competent, the 130 has moved on to mastering a new level of competency. I think the problem we tend to have with this is in perspective. We somehow view this as a detriment to the 80, an unfairness. However the same argument might be said of the 130, that the 130 has received an unfairness beneficial to him. That’s the state of nature. It’s not rewarding or punitive, it just is. IQ can measure potential and capacity, but it does not measure the ability to be good. If the 130, having greater capacity and a sharper mind, uses that intelligence to abuse the 80, then you’ve created an unfairness, not based on IQ but based on an immoral choice. Likewise, if the 80 chooses to abuse the 130, then the unfairness is the immoral action against the 130. My point is that intelligence levels are not something inherently inequitable. It is merely a state of being. Inequity is a distinctly human phenomenon arising from moral choice and a sense of justice.

[@FruitCakeReaper]

The 130 IQ welder would fail VS the 80 IQ welder as the 130 IQ welder would quit after they realise they are gonna die young and welding requires no intelligence.

[@shea5542]

That makes total sense.

[@michaelbuick6995]

I remember chatting with a bunch of guys, keep in mind we're pushing 40 years old, and a few start waxing philosophical on life and it's challenges. I decide to contribute to the discussion by referencing Epictetus. All they got out of that was an immature chuckle because they misheard it as "epic titties". Did I mention we were grown men in our late 30s? There's a reason high IQ people have no friends.

[@shea5542]

Well that could also just be emotional immaturity vs an ability to understand. Low EQ

[@marvint480]

It’s kind of weird for him to say that a person with iq of 90 could barely take instruction. I have a iq between 80-89. And no, my iq was tested at the hospital.

[@LemmingRush_]

Yeah if imagine it has to be like 10-15 points lower to be unable to read and comprehend instructions. Like bottom 1%.

[@anthonysmith6413]

he said read instructions and follow them what's different than just receiving instructions verbaly. So you obviously made an unintentional point there regarding your IQ and processing information. Also he said earlier that someones abilitys peak in certain areas. He actually said it for the higher IQ people but it's also true for lower IQ personalitys. So you might also be an "expert" in understanding instructions but maybe lack the ability to execute them properly even if they would usually suite your IQ.

[@prasy19]

I thought he was talkin ablut iq of 80

[@zadeh79]

What's weird is people who support IQ when individuals with 'low IQ' 90-100, can ace college Calculus.

[@a_bear]

Yeah. 90 is cosnidered still fairly averiage.

[@kristenisreal]

I have a niece who has a traumatic brain injury. It took me months to train her to work for me, folding simple things that change often. Ultimately, it was worth it after the months of training and hard work on her part.

[@philj9594]

Some of his numbers seem a bit off. Average university grad is 115 IQ. He did say "difficult" university though so maybe I'm wrong but 115 seems plenty sufficient for that. I also highly doubt that classroom was made up of people 125-130+ like he said. These are psychology students and psychology students are on the lower end for college majors. I think right around 113-115. There are probably a few in that range but they would be outliers. 130 is pretty common in grad programs but I'm also pretty sure that the average for most advanced degree programs is significantly lower than 130. I think it's typically around 120-125 unless you are doing something like physics which is in the 130-135 range. I pulled these numbers from an actual study on the matter.

[@MrAmad3us]

Depends on scale. Converted to the "old" SD=24 used in North America it's more along the lines of 125 (124 for sigma 1) instead of 115 (in SD 15), so it lines up a bit better with what he says. Also with the 145 being at the level of being able to do "whatever he/she wants", so sigma 2 basically 130 in SD=15 and mildly gifted level.

[@bohemianvegan]

Maybe he is talking to graduate students? Universities are not all the same. Some are more difficult than others. The hardest schools to get into are very difficult to finish.

[@MikeFuller-ok6ok]

@@MrAmad3us It is a bit irritating when people say on You Tube ( as people often do ) that a child has a Mensa IQ of 160 ( SD 24? ) the same as Einstein, when Einstein's IQ was probably estimated on the Wechsler scale ( SD 15 ). 160 IQ SD 15 is about 1 / 33,000, 160 IQ SD 24 is about 1 / 137.

[@victorfrankyl4146]

7:51 the reason I'm telling you this.....

[@jamescrone1588]

To change a stupid person into a smart one is easy method but hard to implement, you change their perspective on the world.

[@sangmadewira4726]

All these comments flaunting and concerning over high IQs and big numbers yet completely miss the picture. IQ is speed. It is also figuring out where to go with that speed. Another way of looking at it is: IQ is attention. The higher it is, the further and clearer you can see, and then you can see where the problems are, their weak spots deep within them, and find piercing attacks from far-fetched concepts (that's why it's called 'critical' thinking). Nietzsche's prediction of radical communism is a good example. Another definition i thought up long ago is how deep your well that provides the rejuvenating answers to your questions and problems is. Higher IQ will originate richer and more abundant answers from the spring of unconsciousness Notice how all these relate to solving problems (at the very least, the problem of which problem to deal with, which is what you're contemplating when asking where you should go in life). Problems are fundamentally founded by pain. Someone with real intelligence will always be utilizing it to deal with the highest pain they can tolerate. Fussing about how IQ can help you get a bigger car than others is besides the point. Sure, it's a priceless asset in the material world, but in the moral world, you're still left with problems to deal with. Luckily for humanity, huge IQ people can document their insanely steep journey of tackling problems for us normal little folks to read along quite steadily. They pioneer the path and we can simply trace it no problem (there's the issue of making sure it's the right path, cus some pioneers lead straight to disaster, like Marx, but that's trivial. The key is to find the one that leads to the qualitatively deepest pain). Uhh i wrote way too long, i don't rlly expect this to make sense to anyone, even if it does to me.

[@sangmadewira4726]

Ah, here's where i flaunt about myself, just as everyone else is doing in the comment section! (Which is a bad sign cus it means i'm doing things out of petty emotions, which breaks the promise my younger self made which is to always think and be practical, but here i am trying to redeem myself by writing all this just for my sake) I saw some important things that everyone else around me couldn't, and i extracted some pretty deep wisdom out of it all from my own rationale. I discovered existential morality all on my own ("there's necessary and unnecessary pain, evil increases the latter and good minimizes the latter to only contain the former"), albeit it was very rudimentary. But hey it's quite the idea for a 9 year old. I then tried to promise myself not to fall into the traps of inviting unnecessary pain to grow in the corners of my mind like mold that's hard to get rid of, as did 99.99% of everyone in the world, and to be that one who follows the smartest pioneer and never once has to make an unnecessary mistake (i was too young to realize that in life one must inevitably have some messy margin of errors and redundancies to fall back on). However, as i am writing here at 1 am instead of sleeping when i have class at 7 in the morning, evidently i had a misshap and strayed from my promise. I objectively feel exponentially stupider than i was a decade ago, which is really sayin something. I tried to pay attention, and i think i noticed my visual clarity literally limiting itself and decreasing in quality as i got stupider, i.e. i lost sight of the important problems (or more rather, i've glued some frustratingly distracting mini problems to my face and obstructed my vision). The rest of my life will probably surmise of redemption and cleaning my eyes so i can see truly once again. This was a fun essay. Worth staying up the extra 15 minutes.

[@sammyruncorn4165]

I'm not sure about this whole thing. I like JB Petersons lectures, they're very eloquent and interesting, even if I don't always agree on what he is saying. What I wanted to throw in as a counter argument (it's anecdotal reference; still I think it warns in an efficient way of not getting to self-absorbed about ones IQ) is that I worked with lot's of people from different school-systems very well together at an ambulance station without noticing, what Peterson referred to as a "90-IQ-person". Where I'm from (Germany) it's a three-way-schoolsystem "Gymnasium", "Realschule" and "Hauptschule". I went to the first one (the "highest" of the three) and got the admittance to study at University. Still I had a lot of people at work, who went the third or second way and most of them were decent people and not that different from me to be honest. You could tell, that they were not as good in maths or spelling (making more mistakes or taking a bit longer), nonetheless they worked just fine if not better sometimes than me (usually in the physical stuff, "Hauptschule" tackles much more physical exercises than mental abilities like mine). I think it really depends. They will certainly earn lesser in general (statistics show that). I'd just also add, that lot's of low-payment jobs are actually very important jobs. A house, medical care by a nurse, kindergardeners etc. take a higher significance in my mind than someone on wall street (e.g.). And if I consider the energy and hard work put in and needed for the job of a paramedic (physical labour, quick thinking and acting, social skills and psychological resilience for the hard cases, having night shifts/ uncertain work times), compared to a job at a bank (not meant to completely tear down this kind of work, it has it's purpose and merits), where you get regular work times and lot's of standard procedures plus better payment I bow my head to my ex-fellow paramedic colleagues 🙏. I think we should look at success and intelligent (behaviour) a bit differently.

[@sirrantalot9009]

I find it very weird that people set IQ equal with skill and knowledge. It shows you how easily/quickly you can obtain it, not how good you are. Someone from a Hauptschule can easily be better than you at repetitive work especially but will struggle to do so in jobs that require a lot of abstract thinking and flexibility of mind. Though if you give them enough time and the right teacher, they too will become just as skilled and knowledgeable as you are. Different IQ = different learning speeds which in turn can become different people but does not have to do so. You can have an IQ of a 160 but if you've never touched a book, that Hauptschüler will wipe the floor with you.

[@angenehmerweiblicherfussge7000]

was hat bitte gymnasium oder realschule mit IQ zutun? ich war sowohl auf einem gymnasium wie dann später auch in assi klassen und schulen und die größen idioten waren auf dem gymnasium. die haben einfach auswendig gelernt ohne etwas zu verstehen und das wars. überhaupt auf die idee zu kommen, dass schulbildung etwas mit IQ zutun ist ist schon falsch. auswendig lernen ist da angesagt und nicht logisches abstraktes denken.

[@angenehmerweiblicherfussge7000]

bitte mehr über IQ informieren und nicht immer denken, dass schulabschluss etwas mit hohem IQ zutun hat.

[@h11181]

I really agree, I have three kids. I think they have so different IQ

[@crocb1435]

146... It's like I can feel my thoughts going places even before I can understand them...magic, miracle, thanks God for sure That's why I'm hardly ever sad...kkkkkk I would say I guess, but actually, I am really sure about that.

[@jeffsmith9420]

I doubt you have an IQ of 146 if you say things like that.

[@fckyafeelingz4064]

I'm placed in an interesting predicament. I tested 146 between 6-10 years ago. I can relate to the initial comment overall. I do yoga and meditate daily to SLOW THE EFF DOWN; it is obvious to those who know me when I skip a day or two. In regards for sadness, I'm still trying to parse that one out. I am leaning towards the conclusion that I have an constant stream of sorrow that is unacknowledged by my Extroversion, Enthusiasm, and Intensity that's often conflated with happiness.

[@crocb1435]

@@jeffsmith9420 How would know...right?! Sorry...kkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[@crocb1435]

@@fckyafeelingz4064Who am I to give advices, but... Maybe if you stop thinking about that conflating situation... happiness isn't fulness. IQ doesn't give you that. I believe Providence mediates the two sides of the brain: Reason and Imagination. Because I can force myself to be creative OR rational, but both at the same time?!...things get blured. Perfect balence = Providence. Just try to test this. Trust a higher power (aka GOD) as honestly as possible and see if gives you even more insights! I believe Jordan is going that way. Happily I was pushed in that direction.

[@jeffsmith9420]

@@fckyafeelingz4064 You sound smart chud man...

[@kyleson1381]

To me it seems as if, the higher the IQ, the more capability they have to learn how to raise their IQ. Like learning skills that help you learn faster over all and retain better physical health. 🤔

[@ciaomamabella]

I’m 35 years old and I took an IQ test 1 day ago for the very first time in my life and scored 135. I have now applied MENSA to be apart of The High IQ society. When I was younger I wish it was stressed more of how much I could do with my IQ. Disappointed in the fact that no one pushed me to do this. It’s not just what others would do for me. It’s the psychology of knowing that I’m intelligent. I’ve been successful in my life based on my intelligence, I just wish I knew sooner.

[@huntmine1200]

Lmao

[@bienangelo9161]

Welcome to the big brain, when would you like to receive your big brain badge?

[@asfaltweg]

And what do you consider being succesful, which you achieved purely from your intelligence as youre saying

[@ciaomamabella]

@@bienangelo9161 Im not sure if this is supposed to be rude, or what but, no, I was just expressing my life experience. I guess hoping someone would relate to me.

[@ciaomamabella]

@@asfaltweg Its not about that. I had an abusive mother who always said "whats wrong with you?" etc. Based on that fact, it would have been nice if I had an outer influence that encouraged me. I went through my 20s thinking I was stupid and couldnt do anything correctly. I wanted to prove everyone wrong and worked hard to get somewhere, not just for me, but for my son. To answer your question, I dont know what I think is successful. Ive achieved a few things in life-like being successful in money, but at 30, Im realizing that isnt what is important. Im still not sure what is successful to be honest. What do you think is successful? Lets help eachother out :)

[@gritoderepudio1297]

115 IQ is 85% of population and 90 IQ is 15% of population that is 100% what happens to the rest?

[@bienangelo9161]

@@ArcticZombie you took the words right out of my mouth.

[@r.s.fletcher7066]

😂You're kidding right?

[@mjacapellaversion8314]

That was low IQ question :D

[@rambro5104]

He probably means 85% of the Population have an IQ between 90 - 115. 15% are lower or higher

[@Guizambaldi]

85th percentile (different than 85%) means that if you order every IQ from the 1st percentile (lower iq) to the 85th percentile you get 115 as max IQ. It means that 85% has an IQ lower than 115, and therefore 15% has an IQ higher than 115. And the distribution is symmetrical, below 85 IQ is 15% also. So the middle is 85-115 IQ is 70% of the population.

[@castofgilligansislandbilly8069]

Idk I have a 130 IQ (which before I saw this video I was told everywhere else was considered very high but this guy is saying it's average so idk)and I barely notice the difference between me and my friends (they are very intelligent and haven't had an IQ test so maybe it's just bc they're up there too) and honestly most of the time I feel like people around me are smarter than me so idek

[@kaideos7558]

Intelligent people tend to underestimate themselves unless given rock hard evidence that they're actually as good as they actually are. I thought my IQ was pretty average by comparing myself with my friends in my thoughts sometimes and concluded I had a little bit above average IQ, but I didn't think it was thaaat high at all tho when I finally measured it, I found out it was actually very high (141). You are probably overestimating your friends a little bit.

[@philderkomischetyp4481]

@@kaideos7558 Its fairly interessting how diffrent it can be for other people, I have an IQ of 125-135 (according to mensa tests). And I often seem to think in the back of my mind "Why is everybody so stupid?" I'm currently 14 and I often feel as if I'm the smartest person in the room, underestimating others but not in a egotistical way but in a unopinionated way. People all around me seem very different and maybe it also has to do with the way I grew up. I interrest myself in Physics, History, Poltical topics, whilest others interrest themselfs in Fashion, Culture, Music (rap). I listen to Classical music whilest everybody only listens to Trending Themes. Also found most things boring and couldnt interrest myself feeling as if often time is being wasted over explaining things such as from the Teacher's side. Then again thats only my perspective of how it has been, being PROBABLY intelectually gifted.

[@briancampos7907]

@@philderkomischetyp4481 I had a similar iq when I was your age. I say “had” because I know confidently I’ve lost points in 10 years. I know you’re not asking for advice but perhaps direction would be helpful in your case. Learn to really listen. If you’re telling yourself you may be the smartest person in the room you’re probably disconnected from the current topic of discussion. Listen, take mental notes of what others are saying. Iq will do nothing for you if you don’t put your physical body in places to succeed or in better opportunities. Don’t experiment with drugs, marijuana even can hurt your brain development at your current age, a healthy lifestyle becomes much more difficult to manage as an adult. Constantly challenge yourself.. if you are spending your time on something that is too easy, you’re wasting your time.

[@philderkomischetyp4481]

​@@briancampos7907 Ive Managed to keep up with a Healthy Diet ect, Infact im extremly scared about drugs or anything that can somehow alter my mood, or damage my brain. I don't eat any refined sugar as an example. Thanks for the tips!

[@Pizzahutbaby]

@@philderkomischetyp4481 jesus you explained me at 14. We have about the same IQ (130-135) although it might be higher than that I just started taking adhd meds. But everything you explained was spot on to me. I saw everything as stupid and never really talked to a lot of people who couldn't understand me so I stopped speaking to others.

[@jimparsons6803]

Seems to be knowledgeable. Dr. Peterson referes a lot back to society and politics. Politics, I've observed is about popular vote. Popular meaning numbers, higher IQ folks are statistically few. So how does a politician get elected again?

[@davyroger3773]

I think hitler said something along the lines of " How great it is for governments that the people do not think"

[@mennehgambia1962]

The comments are literally proving him right

[@MegaRafaelloco]

What are this guy's tests like?

[@satoshinakamoto7253]

probably not hard, just to see if students are competent to get a paper, which doesnt prepare them for the real world necessarily

[@annannn9252]

i got 95 in an iq test which i didnt know it was a iq test but im going to do agian

[@cheetopuffs2580]

Why did you not try if you try that's it you can get better over time but don't redo the test just get more educated over all

[@The808Mixmaster]

I believe that IQ is not really tangible. People are geniuses in different ways. Michael Jackson is a genius in music but may have a "low" IQ doesn't mean he's dumber than someone with a higher IQ

[@kirandeepatwal6280]

Professor, if you have a interest in any field then you will master it. IQ plays a role to the very limited extent. Most of the scientist until 19th century were from Noble families. Why? These people loved their subject and they do not studied to get a decent job. I have seen really exceptional children of businessman in india. But the irony is that they will either work for government or for their own business.

[@nelsonvontitfuk1471]

@Rich 91 Don't assume he is not.

[@nelsonvontitfuk1471]

Wow, good job. You know what an apostrophe is. You really just owned him, sick burn homie.

[@phazon69]

Not in physics or math or othet complex scientific subject. For those subeject you need an High iq. Running a business Is about mental manipulation

[@sirrantalot9009]

@@phazon69 even running a business requires the mental flexibility and pattern recognition skills that comes with a high IQ. Well, if you want it to run successfully and expand. No well known business owner is on a low IQ level.

[@wagfinpis]

If you except that the brain does not produce consiousness, then you can look at the binding problem as a question of meta cognitive qualities. I would suggest that you can increase IQ most probably through meditative skill promotion...

[@wagfinpis]

If you spend the money in the right ways you can probably trick out an old mini van to give an out of the box sports car design a real run for it's money...

[@bienangelo9161]

@@wagfinpis This and that are completely different things. An old van, you can fix and tinker. A brain is so much more complex than a van. If someone already knew how to do that, this world would be a smarter place!

[@r.s.fletcher7066]

*accept

[@anonymousbrowsing2909]

My iq is the same as the amount of women I’ve had sex with . Let’s just say it took me a while to figure out they weren’t women

[@nemooutis-marcusboateng7459]

You do deserve it because it's who you are and as others approximate you they suffer necessarily for the great character of humanity. SB5 High Abilities Manual makes things tricky, after an IQ of 145, there are no famous people with IQs any higher. Terence Tao has a 142 IQ so that's how I know. A massive drop in creativity though it's measured with IQ, it's supposedly just verbal analogies, processing speed and visual-spatial but it is not. (Silverman 2009a) Even a WAIS-IV 160 is a 146 or so but it can read Hartshorne and Programming Perl in four days from absolutely no knowledge and find it trivial. But Ratio IQ kids do have very high abilities such as Deidre Lovecky's Different Minds on Tiers of Giftedness.

[@zadeh79]

Because the system is designed for those with high IQ. There are 95 IQ College Professors and Engineers. That destroys IQ, which is more of a glorified short-term memory test.

[@radicaledwards3449]

No it isn't! If you think society is designed around those with high iq, then I question yours!

[@iamcleaver6854]

Some can compensate low iq with high conscientiousness but it is really not the same. They might achieve the same results but with much more work. That says that they are much less effecient at studying.

[@langkarenga3233]

@Ztech Michael W Ferguson published an article called the inappropriately excluded. In it he postulates that the probability of remaining in intellectually demanding jobs increases by 133 and starts to decline after 140 IQ. So with that in mind it’s been theorized that most elite academic positions aren’t held by people over 2 standard deviations. So you stated the world is structured for high IQ people, that is fallacious in the sense that the rarity of an IQ over 160 makes it highly unlikely a person of this ilk will meet people on their same wave length, let alone find a partner in their same range.

[@blueflame3531]

It doesn't. That's the average IQ. If someone with an IQ of 73 is in that position, well, IQ has then become more complex and not exactly as accurate as it's supposed to be.

[@vimcola9961]

Cope

[@Bjooooom]

bro you're literally not superior

[@qualifiedprofect6019]

I'm know some of you will not believe this, but I'm in 5th grade, and I have the IQ of a post graduate (125) so anyone who says that video games are bad for you is wrong. With the right parenting, video games are a great thing to use for recreation, fun, and socializing with friends.

[@bienangelo9161]

I don't think age matters in IQ, you're born with it.

[@samn8782]

Please shut the fuck up

[@r.s.fletcher7066]

I don't think you're smart enough to understand that IQ isn't affected by age

[@r.s.fletcher7066]

@@samn8782 Yes thank you😂👏

[@kasperjensen1218]

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