Differentiating with respect to... What? | Fractal Derivative

[@macchiato_1881]

As a computer scientist, after reading a shit ton of physics papers (don't ask me why), I can certainly conclude that physicists have this innate talent of pulling out random equation manipulations out of their asses like it's some voodoo black magic.

[@PennyEvolus]

as a game programmer i agree whole heartedly

[@Zopeee]

Wait until you've seen the tricks mathematicians pull-defining concepts so abstract that they might quite literally exist only on a conceptual level, thats true black magic. This abstraction is one of the reasons so many theories emerge; mathematicians manipulate or alter formulas to explore the outcomes, often leading to seemingly ridiculous results. Yet, these results sometimes find real-world applications beyond mere calculations, complex numbers being a prime example.

[@silverlyder]

math really is the art of pulling shit out of your ass

[@AayushBadola]

As a CS major I can agree

[@GabriTell]

And somehow they get it right 💀😭

[@thehimagedidntfitinmypfp6562]

substitution is one hell of a drug

[@nceban2136]

6:44 is literally any non math STEM student. "I see symbols above the bar and below the bar, so it has to be a fraction. Who cares about rigour"

[@adamfox-of9tt]

An anime girl teaching me math is something I needed.

[@matheusaltomaredemattos9663]

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[@日に日に良くになる]

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[@schrodingererwin3513]

Exactly bro

[@michaellin4230]

6:44 Most rigorous physics student.

[@GabriTell]

Physicists: "We don't need mathematicians to advise our papers" Also physicists when they're left alone:

[@tsunika26]

@@GabriTell me to my Physics Professor: YOU CANT JUST CANCEL DERIVATIVES WHAT ARE YOU DOING. Him: it gets you the right answer anyways, we dont care about the complicated math here

[@metalliczero]

Seeing zundamon explain calculus for me isnt something i knew i needed, thank you.

[@andreivulpe6148]

Bashame left the rice fields and started math fields

[@kaidatong1704]

is this where these mysterious fields medals I've been hearing about come from? jiang ping leaving the mines for greener pastures with this one

[@CrazedKen]

Deer God she’s actually fully awake

[@pkkevin11]

She did NOT just say "I understand it now" LOL 0:10

[@obz1357]

I love these videos. Combining two things I love, maths and zundamon

[@magma90]

4:20 that is correct 7:00 also correct (even if it a slight abuse of notation) 10:10 By using symbolic expressions by keeping track of the powers of 1/0, we can say that the definition as 1/αx^{α-1}*df/dx is valid (this is basically just analytic functions at x=0) We can also extend this derivative to a derivative with respect to any differentiable function as df/dg=(df/dx)/(dg/dx), however when we have multivariable calculus, we have to sum derivatives with respect to the other base variables, for example derivative of f(x,y,z) with respect to g(x,y,z) can be defined as df/dg=(df/dx)/(dg/dx)+(df/dy)/(dg/dy)+(df/dz)/(dg/dz).

[@gabberwhacky]

6:34 this looks so illegal, there must have been a physicist involved😅

[@JatPhenshllem]

I didn't do it I swear

[@fgvcosmic6752]

I mean, its technically just chain rule and reciprocal rule, so all is well Just dont try and do that with partial derivatives :D

[@nikos4677]

​​@@fgvcosmic6752Its also that rule which i dont know if it has a name which relates the deravitive of a function to the deravtive of its iverse function. Just because of the use of the leibniz notation the inverse doesnt have to be a function. But its the same logic. The rule on functions states f'(x) = 1/(f^-1(y))'. Notice that f^-1(y) is just df^-1(y)/dy = dx/dy. Thus dy/dx = 1/(dx/dy)

[@cdkw2]

my teacher just said multiply and divide by dx and then replace the dsqrt(x) with dx and calculate the other with the reciprocal differential rule

[@QwertierMannier-yp2hb]

Not wrong but this gives an intuitive explanation

[@cdkw2]

@@QwertierMannier-yp2hb yeah its just a slight abuse of notation

[@annoyinglittleguy]

learning in class ❌ learning from zundamon ✔

[@infinityoreos7717]

these videos have genuinely been such a pleasure to watch, even though I don't know who the anime people are, or why they exist. this is a joy. thank you for making these!

[@epsilia3611]

An interesting exercise would be to analyze the process of finding the formula at 7:30 and finding at which step of the reasoning did we assume something restrictive that would not make it work for certain functions like the square root function at 0 for example.

[@user-nq5hy7vn9k]

anime girls/vtubers explaining math. I never knew I needed this in my life

[@konoszka4680]

ai anime girls you should say

[@Secantz105]

This is so freakin' cool! Not just the anime characters showing us math, but the actual idea of a differentiation technique using square root instead of just x! Thank you!

[@cdkw2]

I love the little end screen with a quote!

[@ItsReticent]

Just stumbled upon this on my algorithm, and I gotta say I did not expect that this made me watch the whole video. Now I am waiting for more videos like these on the channel

[@2525ifell]

i love these interesting/unusual problems and the video format, keep up the good work

[@lelouchlamperouge7883]

I love this channel. Keep up with this great work

[@bbrruunnoo6161]

this zundamon girl is like really clever isn't her? she must be some kind of genius

[@thebeardman7533]

You people are cooking just in the way really good videos about understanding math form a student perspective and alwaying people to follow it

[@OriginalSuschi]

I really like the freedom one gets with the leibnitz notation of derivatives. With implicit differentiation and Chain rule, fractal derivatives actually seem really trivial with physicist's notation.

[@yazeedalfrog]

this is great haha, so much different than the usual math videos

[@morth1]

I graduated a few years ago and these videos heal my soul. Thank you!

[@walterpoelzing9412]

I have a Masters in Math. And I am always looking for a way to explain concepts that my students can/might follow. Zundamon's Theorem does not disappoint. But I must say, sometimes I feel I am on a magic carpet ride, and the Anime girl on the right says...."It is true." And it is!

[@Speed001]

A good refresher, and i don't think I've ever derived with respect to the root of a variable. Oftentimes it's easy to forget that d/dx actually has more meaning than derive with respect to x. This a good segway to Partial Derivatives as well. Very crucial in our 3d world. And i do love my skeleton equations.

[@Pandora234able]

I really enjoy this format for some reason

[@danielrybuk1905]

4:20 absolutely correct, but the reasoning in a rigorous way is due to topology and im not gonna try to write it in a comment as im not sure yt supports math lingo, and its too long, and its already written somewhere online (lazy too find a source, but i know it exists, written an assay on it a couple of years ago in collage)

[@danielrybuk1905]

also 7:00 also correct, the ability to do so is a very important theorem for differential equations, without it most DEs would be "unsolvable" (in an ease way at least)

[@danielrybuk1905]

also 10:00 is absolutely important! in general if you get an answer, you should still check if it still applies to the original question! (if you let yourself use everything you know without worrying if classical logic is "2way or 1way" then you can quickly get an answer to a question, but the answer can be false so you need to check, as long as you train yourself well, you can insure that you don't "miss" any potential answer and then you are free to blaze trough mountains of exercises! get a tutor if you can and in need of one for this!)

[@zhw7635]

Ahh this! If one goes down the rabbit hole and tries to be formal, this could well end at some branch of the modern math

[@FanisBartzis]

Why are people so bewildered from differentiating with a function 😭😭😭😭

[@Discotechque]

Damn, I have so many pwoblems alweady and this just added fuel to the fiwe.

[@Doryameno]

No way we got weeb math before GTA 6

[@aonikazuma]

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[@siggymilfordjigutzpilgrid]

I have no idea what happened but I enjoyed the funny characters yapping

[@initiald975]

6:34 - Incoming chain rule. Important in dynamics

[@TheKastellan]

What have I ended up on.

[@KayKay-ob6tz]

I am from college and my family watching this would be wild help!!!

[@Buorgenhaeren]

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[@harshfeudal_]

You’ve successfully published Calculus 1 for kids

[@sethmeister4840]

6:53 It may seem like it's an abuse of notation, but i assure you it isn't. I remember from Diff. Equ that there are conditions and rationale that allow this. Your friendly Physicist

[@truebino]

Why am I watching this at 3am and why can't I stop until it finishes.

[@NihalPushkar]

hey are you planning to make videos on fraction derivatives? tthat would be an interesting topic too

[@Yubin_Lee_Doramelin]

Absolutely. There is "fractal-fractional calculus" as well, according to Wikipedia...

[@NihalPushkar]

@@Yubin_Lee_Doramelin I would like to make a video on that, its just that I dont know how to come up with animations and stuff @zundamon's theorem are you interested in a colab?

[@redcap5616]

it is, if I'm not wrong it involves Gamma Functions and it's super easy

[@NihalPushkar]

@@redcap5616 true, but it has been very helpful in non-newtonian fluids

[@conrad5342]

Now I might be confused. Fractal differentiating is NOT the same as fractional calculus? ... right?

[@emanuellandeholm5657]

This is how I would approach d/( d g(x) ) f(x). Substitute u for g(x). Rewrite f(x) in terms of u. Differentiate. If the substitution is bijective over some interval, we can write this in terms of x by applying the inverse, g^-1, of the substitution.

[@Самийск]

It's actually an amazing content

[@lox7182]

people are always "the derivative isn't a fraction" but even if it isn't a fraction it's a limit of a fraction and lim(a) * lim(b) = lim(a*b) so treating it like a fraction usually ain't even that bad

[@IgnacioSusena]

Best math content

[@daanwinne2596]

5:07, wait, wait, wait, this is just 1/dsqrt(x)/dx

[@dvelsrt4242]

Your anime is so cute and helpful❤, keep up the good work

[@kuckkuckrotmg]

Can confirm, works very well

[@matheusjahnke8643]

6:34 you can do that. But it's called *chain rule*. You can prove that using the limit definition of derivative: df/dg = lim[h -> 0] (f(x+h) - f(x)) / (g(x+h)-g(x)) Multiplying by 1... or h/h df/dg = lim[h -> 0] (h(f(x+h) - f(x))) / (h(g(x+h)-g(x))) Rearranging: df/dg = lim[h -> 0] [(f(x+h) - f(x)) / h] * [h / (g(x+h)-g(x))] df/dg = lim[h -> 0] [(f(x+h) - f(x)) / h] / [(g(x+h)-g(x)) / h] Assuming df/dx and dg/dx exist and dg/dx is different from 0... then this limit can be decomposed into the division between 2 limits: df/dg = [lim[h -> 0](f(x+h) - f(x)) / h] / [lim[h -> 0](g(x+h)-g(x)) / h] These two limits are the definition of df/dx and dg/dx... which we assumed exist df/dg = [df/dx] / [dg/dx] The statement for the chain rule is slightly different: df/dx = [df/dg] * [dg/dx] But you can arrive at that by dividing both sides by [dg/dx]

[@I0lcatz]

The fact that Zundamon just compressed that into a single step is CRIMINAL.

[@GabriTell]

Nah but physicist be livin on a higher ground 💀🙏😭🚬🚬

[@mr.whaleseverydaylife1173]

So it only took an anime girl to make me focus so hard

[@ethanliu-y2t]

Taught me more than my actual school teacher😅

[@wonstryk]

now I love math

[@daanwinne2596]

2:03 this is not the denominator

[@monishrules6580]

I like the other one better and just reading the subtitiles

[@l0ve_math]

Just to point out to other people watching the video This is not fractional derivatives it's fractal and they are not the same

[@Yubin_Lee_Doramelin]

"Fractal derivatives" and "fractional calculus" are too confusing. They not only contains unorthodox differentiation, but also, in Wikipedia, there's even an extended thing called "fractal-fractional calculus"...

[@Fuxor2137]

my brain is melting

[@pizza8725]

I though of the substituion method too

[@user-qr4jf4tv2x]

we would have technology equivalent to magic already if the internet is not filled with brainrot

[@eddie-brawlstars3156]

Calc BC student here: What is the purpose of taking a fractal derivative? Also, please make a video on partial derivatives. I am interested in learning slightly ahead

[@michaellin4230]

Not a mathematician but sometimes its useful when the variable you are differentiating with respect to isn’t a linear function. For example, if you want to find the rate of change of a car moving with respect to time, you would just differentiate it. But if time wasn’t constantly moving at the same speed, but at the rate of square root of x, you could use this formula. Time doesn’t work like that, but it can in some cases. Theres a theorem out there that if 2 particles travel the same path in different time intervals, there exist a function that you can apply on the time variable to make it follow the same “speed” along the path. So if you have 2 cars, and the time function is the square root, you can differentiate car 1 with respect to the square root of x to get the speed of car 2.

[@mathchannelforwatching-s4i]

this channel is cool, too bad it has less than 1000 or so subscribers I believe a channel requires 1000+ subscribers before getting paid, hopefully this gets more views and subscribers. Good math.

[@kellymoses8566]

This is an english language version of www.youtube.com/@zunda-theorem

[@danielliang9266]

If the channel had less than 1000 subscribers when you commented, it grew real fast

[@Danaelivs]

I used to do this on my free time though with integrals XD

[@aRandom_dog]

7:00 how did you get the last equation?

[@federicohansen4561]

hizo la derivada de la potencia, al dar vuelvta dx/dx^a ---> dx^a / dx ==== dy /dx ---> y = x^a ----> D(y) = D(x^a) ====== dy/dx = a * x ^ (a - 1)

[@stormwatcheagle5448]

Subbed so hard.

[@koicc1192]

Hold up....this is possible even with integration? I'm quite curious

[@tomkerruish2982]

Riemann-Stieltjes Integral, if I'm not mistaken.

[@fgvcosmic6752]

Yep, you can just do it by substitution Instead of writing dsqrt(x), we can instead use u=sqrt(x) and write du instead [noting that du = 1/2sqrtx dx = 1/2u du]

[@srather]

7:55 noo you cant just split the limit 😭If both are zero or infinity you must use rigerous methods to find the limit

[@Itoyokofan]

maybe use dual numbers then?

[@killing_gaming0973]

Can we substitute f(x) = f((√x)²) lol don't do this, I'm just asking 😊

[@FundamSrijan]

Yeah , let √x = y , so x = y² And now it becomes - dy² _____ = 2y = 2√x dy

[@fgvcosmic6752]

Yes, but make sure to remember the chain rule!

[@FundamSrijan]

@@fgvcosmic6752 yeah , half of the _diff._ is just _chain rule_

[@x1alpha883]

JUST DIFFERENCIATE UPPER PART AND LOWER PART IN FRACTION. EZ .

[@0hhigh]

市場規模考えたら、もっと英語コンテンツ有っても良いと思うが 日本は世界でもかなり特異な教育体制なので、数学ができる者の率が高いので 有象無象も突っ込んでくるが 　(ヨビノリみたいに「私の動画は概ね偏差値60以上を対象としています」と足切りするとか) 海外だと高等教育を受けていないと、数学は無理なので 視聴者もハイエンド寄りになるので、荒れないで済むと思う

[@makssachs8914]

Are you calling the rest of the world stupid?

[@Rubyllim]

damn, ok, I'll just go fuck myself then ._.

[@mangouschase]

do you mayhaps, perchance mean fract *ion* al differentiation??

[@steppindown6874]

So when alpha equals -1 that would mean we're integrating it right

[@fgvcosmic6752]

d/d(x^-1) isnt integration, it is differentiation with respect to 1/x. For example, d/d(x^-1) of 1/x = 1, but the integral of 1/x is _not_ 1

[@daanwinne2596]

just chain rule

[@nowhere1327]

Question: Differentiating with respect to... What Answer: Making love with Zundamon

[@GokuTheSuperSaiyan1]

Isn't this just the chain rule?

[@genericname719]

one of my classes has me differentiating with respecto to 1/T :(

[@fernandokato8726]

At [8:37], d x^beta / d x^alpha = beta/alpha x^(beta-alpha) Derivating again with respect to x^alpha: d [beta/alpha x^(beta-alpha)] / d x^alpha = beta/alpha * (beta-alpha)/alpha * x^(beta-alpha-alpha) = = beta*(beta-alpha)/(alpha^2) * x^(beta-2*alpha) For the particular case alpha=1/2, the result does not match the expected result, which is beta * x^(beta-1) A better definition for the fractional derivative of x^beta, that does not have this problem, is d x^beta / d x^alfa = Gamma[1+beta]/Gamma[1+beta-alpha] * x^(beta-alpha) Derivating again with respect to x^alpha: d [Gamma[1+beta]/Gamma[1+beta-alpha] * x^(beta-alpha)] / d x^alpha = = Gamma[1+beta]/Gamma[1+beta-alpha] * Gamma[1+beta-alpha]/Gamma[1+beta-alpha-alpha] * x^(beta-alpha-alpha) = = Gamma[1+beta]/Gamma[1+beta-2*alpha] * x^(beta-2*alpha) For the particular case alpha=1/2, the result matches the expected result, which is beta * x^(beta-1) Note that Gamma[1+beta]=beta! Agree or disagree?

[@Geitungur]

Could this be generalised to d/d g(x) f(x) = (f(x+h) - f(x)) / (g(x + h) - g(x)?

[@ElephantThePotato]

my little brain :0

[@Neidhardt.der.Blitzschnelle]

Yes mom, I am studying

[@5eyoshi]

Bro I suck at math, I literally can't do any of this

[@user-ek4to2pv1f]

もしかして日本語版未公開動画ですか？

[@zunda-theorem-en]

はい！日本語版も近いうちに公開する予定です。

[@shoGUNwithGUN]

What have i found 💀💀💀

[@LynnieTheAnimeKing]

Subscribed

[@wambertojoseliradequeiroz7919]

d^m/dx^m(x^n)=(n!/(n-m)!)x^(n-m), n>=m; d^m/dx^m(x^n)=(Gamma(n+1)/Gamma(n-m+1))*x^(n-m); If m=1/2 and n=1, the result is 2√x/√π

[@Murzik_krot]

What is the music on the background?

[@zunda-theorem-en]

Please check the video description👍

[@nil3010]

Bruh Math no doing it

[@Krmiby]

UwU voice 😭🤚

[@KoKey-hd4bm]

Shit

[@pzelact4328]

sqrt(x)=t; d/dt of t^2=2t=2sqrt(x). DONE IN 5 SEC

[@gabrielfonseca1642]

I came up with an argument using the chain rule. From the chain rule, df/dx = df/dg * dg/dx. Let g(x) = x^a, then dg/dx = ax^(a-1) from the product rule. So, df/dx = df/dx^a * dx^a/dx. Rearranging, df/dx^a = (df/dx) / (dx^a/dx). Substituting the dx^a/dx result from before gives: df/dx / (ax^(a-1)) = (1 / ax^(a-1) * df/dx

[@FallFall_X]

i gave the respect to the √x 🫡

[@KayKay-ob6tz]

I am from college and my family watching this would be wild help!!!