Ranting About The Best Social System

[@nicolasvignolo7601]

7:43 Digibro is Thanos confirmed

[@chipskylark5500]

Balanced, as all things should be

[@v4extreme]

8:43 “people do not have ideas when they’re being controlled” fantastic summary of the school system

[@LimeyLassen]

K-12 is just a patriotism machine tbh

[@seyadeodin]

this is how society works, we live in a society

[@Faulheit]

Depends on the school tho

[@dannykazari]

I burst out laughing at 3 AM from “just kill half the people”

[@MaulusRS]

I agree 100% with you on a theoretical level, the only problem is that you have to consider *why* people are being led to live the lives that they are. A capitalist system is just always going to necessitate building the majority of people up to be a standardized worker and part of an underclass. Freedom of thought and expression is encouraged, but only to a point where it's lucrative and profitable - which is why you can't just be whoever you want to be like our parents led us to believe. Why do you think teachers get paid so little to do such important work? Because their work doesn't generate direct monetary value to pay them back with. The economy isn't a perfect or even really a good arbitrator of what ideas are good or necessary for the human species, and considering how invested you are into the creative and artistic world, you can probably see that for yourself. Basically, while I do want a society completely revolving around education, ideas, and expression, I just don't know if a society based around commerce and consumerism is one that will ever foster that sort of society.

[@vaderbuckeye36]

I feel like capitalism would better approach the goal that digibro suggests the closer the society is to the ideal of rugged individualism, which is greatly impeded on by mass culture and mass production, as our society is reducing the necessity of individualism, while also needing it more than ever to improve society.

[@EnzoDraws]

7:44 [Thanos intensifies]

[@AnnNightNoxana]

Question: What are your political views? Digi: *starts talking about heat death of the universe* I'm glad I came back to watch this channel again.

[@ericjacobson3305]

Digibro: "I don't think taking care of people should come though well fair which is a short term solution." Also Digibro: "A lot of creative people will live better with welfare and I don't have a problem with a bunch of uneducated people just living and being around"

[@longwoolcoat2266]

I think he just changed his mind halfway through the video. That happens...

[@2deep5u]

ITT : edgy kids with ideas that could never work in real life.

[@TheYumbacon]

I knew you would talk about the sibyl system lol

[@emmadilemma6643]

K well, you didn't have to read my whole question out loud, haha... but thanks for sharing your honest thoughts! According to the 2019 Bloomberg Innovation Index, Sweden, Finland, and Switzerland all top the United States in terms of innovation (and again, that's not a Huffington Post report - it's Bloomberg). Welfare capitalism allows for a free market, but meets people's basic needs through taxation. It's the best of both worlds and speaks exactly to the quote you included about meeting people's basic needs. Thanks again! Love this idea for these question videos.

[@BranchesOfYgg]

I won't be opposed if we give it a try here. One of our popular potential presidential candidates is running on the platform of universal basic income, and it has a lot of potential as a good idea.

[@davidli9962]

@@BranchesOfYgg yah ANDREW YANG's plan is pretty well developed

[@salakasto]

@@BranchesOfYgg Andrew Yang has a lot of questionable ideas but basic income is not one of them. I'm glad someone in this race is bringing it up.

[@metaflux2]

@@salakasto People who think UBI is a good idea have no good grasp of history or basic economics. But hey, NEET BUX is a pretty alluring idea for idiots...

[@salakasto]

@@metaflux2 Where does history fall into the UBI debate? UBI really hasn't been tried on a large scale.

[@ashutan2130]

Confirmed - Digi is team Rossiu

[@MoeThermodynamics]

Please finish that book I need it

[@zadoskey1129]

People always get pissed off when I don't know how to choose a political side that I align with, but I don't think anything really explains how I feel as well as what you just explained. Obviously I don't have answers to how to fix everything that's wrong because I'm not a genius by any means, but I feel pretty much exactly how you feel about the system which is nice to know. I haven't met anyone that feels similarly yet

[@Kodeb8]

Digi is a minarchist like me!

[@gkalaitza2183]

If you like libertarianism /anarchism and dont want huge companies to become literaly feudal lords due to lack of laws and regulation you probably lean more anarcho-syndicalist/ libertarian socialist (see Chomsky for example)

[@roadent217]

I tried reading the Anarchist FAQ once, but I still know very little about anarcho-syndicalism. How would that not devolve into feudalism, or Wild West style banditry?

[@2deep5u]

"best" or "ideal" social systems can't exist. Whenever we thought we created something resembling such a thing, it ended up backfiring in messy ways. Truth is, somebody HAS to, and WILL BE shafted, and those people will eventually get fed up with the system that shafted them. Our very nature won't allow such a thing as an "ideal system" come to fruition in real life. All we'll ever do is play ideological see-saw and loophole bingo.

[@AnimeOverdose1]

It backfired? Pretty sure statistics say we're living in the best time in history

[@metaflux2]

Totally agree. People can come up with the greatest idea, but once it's contextualized into reality via human beings it always has the potential to be corrupted or exploited. Humans are selfish, incentivized creatures who have the capability to take at the expense of others, and remove themselves from the suffering they're causing.

[@AJ-gd9tl]

Human nature is possibly the worst and laziest argument for someone who has never put an ounce of thought into the thing they're babbling on about. Human nature is not fixed. If you think it human nature dictates the mode of production, general environment and historical processes at hand and not the other way around idk what to tell you aside from actually read a book for once in your life.

[@metaflux2]

@@AJ-gd9tl Human nature doesn't determine the general environment or historical processes? Dude you got to be trolling at this point, ever read a history book, or philosophy book, or psychology book, etc? It basically comes down to essentialism vs. constructivism and since it's an abstract concept the science has a long way to go in providing a definitive answer. We debate back and forth using data, history, and reason, and actually there's a really convincing argument to be made of humans having a form of natural instinct/nature that's hard to overcome. We aren't static robots incapable of change, but aren't blank slates either. A lot of behavior can be traced back to inherent/biological human drives like reproduction/pleasure, desire for wealth and material goods to exist without pain/struggle, instinct for survival, desire to belong or be accepted by a community or social group, etc... The best layman's term I heard to describe this is steering a charging elephant: we don't have complete control, but can steer it into general directions.

[@maxxvii2037]

AJ Swain Not really. Marx didn't took in count human nature and look what Stalin did.

[@alishademan5452]

Is Digi libertarian because he likes lolis

[@OneEyeShadow]

No, he likes lolis because he's libertarian.

[@smokinghot5373]

People have all sorts of requests for your rants. I didn't see this topic coming. Really nice sweater. I would buy one if I didn't have so many clothes already.

[@Kuudere-Kun]

You really lost me with the whole Overpopulation nonsense. Resource scarcity is a myth, the planet can support 10 times the current population. Most of the world has a low birthrate problem right now.

[@sebsthexeno9460]

10 times the population? Can I please have some sources on that? I’m really curious to know if that’s true.

[@Kuudere-Kun]

@@sebsthexeno9460 Overpopulation Myth Crash Course "Population, Sustainability, and Malthus: Crash Course World History 215" kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3LOiJKfZcd3prM We the Internet TV "Bill Nye Debunked on Overpopulation | We the Internet TV" kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqjYmJRmeN-FfKs Casual Historian "Are We Overpopulated?" kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIOlaWRtaLGqgKM Kurzgesagt - In a Nutshell "Overpopulation - The Human Explosion Explained" kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6SlhWh7htlmapo Learn Liberty - Are We Running Out of Resources? kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5S6nIFqo8yFaLs Peter Coffin "Overpopulation, Eugenics + Adjacent BS (IMPORTANT DOCS ?¹³? " kzbin.info/www/bejne/on7Fp6ejl5xshJI

[@Trixiethegoldenwitch]

I didn't say anything about overpopulation.

[@Kuudere-Kun]

@@Trixiethegoldenwitch Why else would you kill half the people?

[@cyberninjazero5659]

@@Kuudere-Kun for the fun of it man

[@oshinoedan5666]

For me #1 is about limiting unnecessary negativity (not all negativity is unnecessary and can even be good), as once it is created it almost always just continues to spread which affects us all.

[@Robersora]

9:30 Digi realizing his ideas would damn May's existence.

[@eruno_]

I have a feeling Digi would like Zizek

[@maxxvii2037]

ユーネポ / Yuunepo **sniffs**

[@ShinyZETER]

Man don't kill half of all people. It just doesn't make since.

[@HxH2011DRA]

"If you do not on every occasion refer each of your actions to the end ordained by nature, but instead stop short at something else when considering whether to go after something or avoid it, your actions will not be in keeping with the principles you profess." "For we must not theorize scientifically about nature by means of empty maxims and arbitrary principles, but as phenomena require. For our life has no need of foolishness and idle opinion, but of an existence free from confusion." "...We must not abandon this mode of investigation, for if we dispute the evident facts, we will never be able to partake of genuine peace of mind" "Such foolishness would not befall a common creature, let alone a being possessed of perfect happiness." "Keep all these things in mind...for by so doing you will keep yourself free of superstition and be able to understand phenomena akin to these things I have told you about. Above all, devote yourself to the study of beginnings and infinitude and what is akin to them, and also of the criteria for judging and sensations, and the reasons why we reflect on these things. For these elements, when understood in their entirety, will enable you easily to comprehend the causes of particular details." "Death, therefore- the most dreadful of evils- is nothing to us, since while we exist, death is not present, and whenever death is present, we do not exist."- Epicurus This is all to say of COURSE the main goal should be for you to live a long happy healthy life, to say you want anything else is just to say "I wouldn't be happy if not doing x" probably for some nonsense reason. Even if a god existed, as explained by Epicurus, he/she would have nothing to do with us since they can just chill and be happy. Why are you worried about higher dimensions that might not even exist or be possible to get to? It's all folly. If you could take everyone and make so they're always happy no matter what that's what you should do, that should be the goal. Call it Orwellian, authoritarian, whatever but if it can be done it would be literally immoral not too. I'll end with 2 more quotes, another by Epicurus and one from video game but I got it from tv tropes "There never was such a thing as absolute justice, but only agreements made in mutual dealings among men in whatever places at various times providing against the infliction or suffering of harm."- Epicurus "Our minds are born festering with sin. Some are so blighted, they will never find redemption. The mind must be pulled up from the roots. My children are without blame, without fault - and without choice. For what is the value of will when the spirit is found wanting?" #syllabiswasright #authoritarianhistoricalprogressistheonlyprogress

[@AnimeOverdose1]

Too long 2 read mate

[@HxH2011DRA]

@@AnimeOverdose1 then dont????

[@SurajGrewal]

The problem is, by the time, we are old enough to make decision on where we wanna go, we're far to old to do anything

[@matrinoxtm]

I had an idea when I was younger I called the law of consent. Basically no laws except for the law of consent; you can do whatever you want as long as the parties involved (if any) give consent. I don’t agree with it anymore but I think that’s close to what you were talking about.

[@salakasto]

Sounds a lot like libertarian socialism. No hierarchical system to take advantage of lower classes be it by government or corporation, communal ownership of land and resources, freedom to achieve whatever you desire and work for as long as its not at the expense of others.

[@maxord11]

Socialism kinda needs a government power; otherwise, you can't redistribute resources or police abusers of the system efficiently. The economic policy that is attached to socialism states that people inherently affect each other by being better at something and turning more profit, which breaks the system. Also, private ownership is part of a libertarian ideal, which socialism's core premise is against. I think you are thinking of either some anarcho version of mercantilism or merchant capitalism.

[@davidli9962]

or known as anarcho syndicalism

[@salakasto]

@@maxord11 Redistribution would happen naturally as unions desire to keep all workers paid fairly. There's nothing to say you can't turn a profit in a socialist system, only that you cant keep profit for yourself if it was built on the backs of other other workers. Abolition of private property is often confusing to a lot of people. We're not against abolishing personal property, which is what you own for you and you alone, we're against private property, which is one person or entity owning something that is then used to turn a profit by other people's use. We're against landlords, we advocate for distributing resources amongst the public, we're against banks and for credit unions, etc. Even your house is considered your own personal property, we generally don't want that to be owned by a bank or government.

[@2deep5u]

@@salakasto Sounds good. Do you truly, TRULY believe it could work in real life, though? History seems to indicate otherwise.

[@maxord11]

@@salakasto I'm not going to argue on the efficiency of that as that is a whole other issue, but a central mini-government in the form of a union within a business making decisions on how hard you worked would be not only a government structure that isn't in the control of the individual (as a libertarian would want), but also it will be a bunch of people affecting the lives of another with the possibility of being at his/her expense. Also, the inability to create a rental business or use a type of economical strategy is still against libertarian ideals. I'm just saying your terms are contradictory in nature. It is more like "achieve what ever you like, except all of these things because a big controlling group of us said so."

[@SaberChad222]

If you've ever played Horizon Zero Dawn you'll see that asks a lot of these same kinda of questions with a different twist on it. I don't want to give away too much because it's very spoilery, but it's a really good experience.

[@ccnd5145]

anarchy would inevitably just become feudalism when the dude with the most shit starts to hire people to protect his shit from the people who wanna take said shit

[@mrtangelo885]

WHERE IS FIXED THAT FOR YA JESUS DIGI

[@Heatranoveryou]

the biggest problem with that plan is who does the necessary jobs?

[@dragoniraflameblade]

Plenty of people are willing (and want) to do those jobs. Welding, janitorial, managerial, etc. For me, if I have access and am left alone to do my job, I'd love to do stocking or janitorial work. Some people really love doing manager and hosting jobs. I think if working like that is an option rather than a requirement, ppl would fill the need as they need to.

[@lolmikes]

nuclear war is the only option i guess

[@mushimone]

the rant hole is open again!

[@AJ-gd9tl]

Capitalism isn't contextual lol. Yes, it can be orientated differently (Bourgeois Democracy, Stalinism, Fascism etc) but Capitalism is a mode of production that has a criteria steeped in the historical processes which gave rise to it (as had previous modes of production).

[@AJ-gd9tl]

A historical context yes but that is not what is meant here.

[@TheKoiFish]

7:44 Thanos much? Lol

[@Sosamira]

Alright Thanos

[@Arlesmon]

If i pay you. Can you rant about the n Word?

[@Snapslol]

/watch?v=AYr-IdHLgtI have fun

[@toldoth1702]

Looking forward to the book

[@davidli9962]

should look at anarcho syndicalism

[@metaflux2]

Yeah, no thanks. Free helicopter ride for you.

[@ericjacobson3305]

Cool, that's pretty close to my political ideology, so if someone asks me what I believe in, I'll just point to that.

[@davidli9962]

@@metaflux2 what are your problems with it

[@maxxvii2037]

Ran Manbavaran Anarcho-syndicalism is less communist than a right-wing authoritarian gov but ok

[@TheCreepypro]

good rant about how we need to revamp school systems really

[@marcolivellidavid6926]

Mr Digibro, I dont fell well

[@ConvincingPeople]

You would probably find the works of Jürgen Habermas, bleeding heart libertarianism, the journal ORDO and perhaps even left market anarchism intriguing. Basically, there is a broad strain of (actual, not counterfeit Sargonite) classical liberalism and libertarianism that appreciates the necessity of both a strong educational system in order to provide people with the tools to make their way as independent individuals in a market society while preventing anyone from falling through the cracks or being tread beneath the heel of capital through things like universal healthcare and universal basic income-basically, a more agile and unintrusive model of the welfare state with an emphasis on individual freedom and choice. Habermas and the ordoliberals are particularly chewy intellectually, so don't go into this without bringing your A-game, but, well, you're a smart dude. Also maybe check out guys like Noam Chomsky if you want an alternate take on libertarianism from a distinctly socialist angle, and from there some social anarchist stuff. It will, at the very least, intrigue you methinks.

[@LastMinuteGuess]

M A R K E T S O C I A L I S M ?

[@dragoniraflameblade]

I've never had anyone put my thoughts to words like that. I struggled to explain how I felt, which is I think education is the place to start and work it out from there. Maybe a more humane way than "kill half the planet" which I can't really think of currently. Usually I think of more like during the colonial and old West era when everyone pitched in to keep things running and build communities. Still, this is probably romantacised and it comes with it's own political craziness and everyone might get in everyone's biz.

[@HyperlordB]

I think he should read Dune.

[@taperhunter8671]

Most of the components you our cell phones come from government funded research. I don't understand how small government promotes inovation.

[@CombatMagic]

Taper Hunter private investment, government always find solutions, sure, but at triple the cost and twice the time...

[@taperhunter8671]

@@CombatMagic Find me a big company that's not totally fucking evil and explain why they just made it legal for Floridians to buy medicine in Canada.

[@muenchhausenmusic]

Sick glasses, man!!

[@fjbz3737]

Let’s get social

[@AncientOrange]

This is pretty close to an authoritarian take on John Stuart Mill’s Utilitarianism.

[@Wattsform]

a psycho-pass-like society for the win! xD

[@abiybattlespell8401]

DAam digi has balss

[@oshinoedan5666]

Old enough to run for prez yet?

[@eruno_]

*"muh human nature"*

[@cyberninjazero5659]

I think Dubai did/is doing it right

[@Eira_99]

Yer, current school system is pretty fucking useless.

[@stephenthedude4383]

HARD AGREE

[@neutronshiva2498]

People looking for some complex solutions while they overlook the most simple one: The ideal system is the one that worked just fine the longest (99% of human history apparently), which is tribal hunter-gatherer egalitarian societies not exceeding 150 or so specimen according to Dunbar's number. Neolithic revolution enabled capitalism (AKA slavery) and any idea developed after this turning point must be fundamentally flawed by it's very nature. Thus to achieve ideal society we need to rid ourselves of everything that came after domestication of plants and animals.

[@revampedchaos2822]

At this point, the only way we could possibly go back to hunter gathering tribes would require the death of over 7 billion people and a massive reduction in life expectancy and quality of life. No thanks.

[@Imnotevenhuman]

Disliked before watching because I know Digi doesn't know shit about politics or philosophy

[@imreplyingtothiscomment2378]

The best is no social system

[@moeisthis1490]

im replying to this comment ... Spoken like a true Marxist

[@granthall1235]

:facepalm:

[@phantomjoker5]

Lol eco-fascism