Digital Anima: Devouring Mothers and the Internet - Meme Analysis

[@MemeAnalysis]

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[@iosifzoicadaniela3897]

Hey I like the spider analogy , fun fact about spiders most of the spider are gay by nature they procreate only out of nececity Adhd chanel realistic spider-man youtube.

[@miloslavtokar1080]

9m9h9e

[@uberboyo]

This video radicalized me...

[@man-qz8ki]

llmao

[@tesali9554]

To waht?

[@veryangerymanminecraftisco9048]

Same

[@GideonWallace]

@@tesali9554 to his life

[@dud42598]

This channel radicalized me...

[@theelodgeovkeku]

The interwebs as the collective unconscious of a billion momma's boys is so true it's not even funny.

[@faunus888]

@@CrumCringle Nietzsche doesn't killed daddy, we killed daddy.

[@andrews2812]

@@faunus888 We picked daddy's bones clean, and mommy is next

[@devanshrathore9112]

@@andrews2812 Our mom made us kill our dad (masculinity)

[@imanol12345]

Ikr

[@iulishadow]

Lady Dimitrescu mother-complex... Jesus Christ!

[@TheThing4444]

Man, religion is going to be real weird in a decade or two.

[@ilbarayolodiengelesleinion6764]

Yeah

[@nicolaslg1421]

Even weirder than it is now?

[@ilbarayolodiengelesleinion6764]

@@nicolaslg1421 maybe interpreted heavily in a psychological manner

[@hoonterofhoonters6588]

Religion in a decade or two will not be called "religion."

[@ilbarayolodiengelesleinion6764]

@@hoonterofhoonters6588 Old thing called religion, to us who call it as such, and the new word invented to define that process ,used by future people growing into it, and separated itself from that old conception is how a passagge of evolution in its meaning could take place

[@nemesis962074]

I was so mind blown by the Matrix being the mother, it’s like a lot of things clicked into place

[@valtin2914]

Evangelion Moment

[@oceanmachine1906]

Matrix, Womb, it's amazing yes

[@thatsunfortunate2205]

@@valtin2914man now I gotta rewatch it

[@exandil6029]

This sounds like the review of Neon Genesis Evangelion.

[@elijahebbert6884]

i was just thinking that

[@Aadhitiya]

i just came from alex jones explains evangelion video, idk what to even say

[@ferdinandbardamu.]

God, I hate evangelion and their fans so goddamn much

[@elijahebbert6884]

@@ferdinandbardamu. love ya too

[@adeptusundolius7632]

I just assumed it was a Gundam ripoff

[@LetsFindOut1]

I have to say the long form conversation, between you two specifically, is some of the best i've watched. i could see a podcast/dialogue series doing very well. his aion series with james dowling was almost this good, too. maybe see what a convo w @jungtoliveby would be like?

[@SSJKamui]

Alexander Dugin theorized that there were some ancient Cults worshipping a tyrannical mother godess and that the postmodern Technology culture would be the rebirth of that tyranical mother godess. He called this the "Logos of Cybele"

[@bondex392]

Also, he theorised that all of those cults worshippers died because of the lack of reproduction.

[@MrMeatballYT]

And Alexander Dugin is a deranged Russian Fascist.

[@bondex392]

@@MrMeatballYT Well, he criticized fascist and dictatorship ideas a lot. He's more of a monarchist-traditionalist.

[@SSJKamui]

@@bondex392 exactly.

[@SSJKamui]

@@bondex392 Dugin is opposed to all 3 theories of modernity which includes fascism, as well as liberalism and communism.

[@ninjaresbg]

In 2016 I had a trip where there were many voices converging into one, losing their own identity in the process and becoming like a static choir. The visualisation was very similar to alex gray's "universal mind lattice" painting. And the theme of the trip was technology so yeah.. the internet.

[@lemononice7056]

This is the deeeeeepest and most freightingly true analysis of the internet... My God... Once you hear it , it can't be unheard.

[@normanclatcher]

Did, but I forgot.

[@Bacon56ful]

Its amazing that this isn't more widely talked about

[@nemesis962074]

This is legit the plot of Evangelion wtf

[@elijahebbert6884]

it do make some sense tho

[@nemesis962074]

@@elijahebbert6884 It does that's the crazy part

[@turkbud802]

There are quite alot of pieces of media that take inspiration from psychology and religion. One that comes to mind quickly is elder scrolls series where they use it alot. Talos, the once man but now god of mankind, literally became god because people started worshipping him after his death. In morrowind, dagoth ur reached anti-chim, after death, rather then coming to the understanding that he is part of the allmother (the collective of the universe), he dreamed that the allmother was part of him, and that he was literal god. And he woke into existence in mundus (physical world) as god, and people worshipped him, and he became god absolute. First, he worshipped himself to be god with his massive ego that he singlehandedly became god, and then others believed him. Highly recommend btw.

[@mulemantinmann6679]

Anno literally made an anime about the (Devouring) Mommy complex.

[@theghostinthemachine5602]

Why could i not put this together on my own? Why was this so above me? What else don’t I see like this?

[@rchetype7029]

See the world as narrative: See the narrative as world.

[@hue_jazz59]

When he said the archetypes are at war i slammed the table im validation ! But i had no idea how deeper that thought went . i love this chanel .

[@DaviAreias]

You need to have a knowledge about archetypes and world religions to get the associations

[@transforgoku]

@@rchetype7029 I reached the same conclusion, this world is filled with narratives, there's no objective truth or lie, because truth is the narrative that achieved materialization through whatever means, while a lie is just potential of the narrative, it can succeed or fail, but hasn't materialized yet (mater---->*mother*).

[@CTcCaster]

You need to read more and spent more time thinking. These thoughts and ideas take a lot fo time efforts and readings for them to come into reality

[@tact7777]

Thank you for telling us we are plugged in, and leaving out the part about how to plug out

[@andrews2812]

Get into your body. Put down the interwebs and read a book. Go hiking or swimming, join a gym and lift or jog. Use your pocket witch brick for education and communication only and not to chase dopamine. That's a good place to start.

[@SurgeComic]

that’s because you already know what to do

[@d_lars]

top notch stuff boyos. been waiting on a collab from you guys, definitely wouldn't mind a part 2!

[@kaiju2296]

All of this has uncannily similar to the plot of Neon Genesis Evangelion

[@agustinvidalmusic]

This was very scary, but eye opening and interesting, specially the young man tribal development situation that is being corrupted by the internet. I beg you please do a podcast man!

[@darakken]

had some post nut clarity, instantly thought of this video and came back this shit is so real it hurts

[@real100thfloor]

i love how uberboyo catches on to what youre saying a sentence in every time and starts snickering.

[@therussiancomicbookgeek]

Jung is a scary thinker

[@Afroshoujo]

I love how he’s like “oh dear lord”. 😂 YES I’m so glad he understands the gravity of this shit

[@drewid3876]

Loved this! I’ll check out the interview!

[@jackhanma2342]

I think the internet is just a tool, that we can use to connect ourselves with each other and store/share information. Also entertainment. But I agree it is being abused (unconsciously) by a lot of people creating this kind of positive feedback loop that encourages that behaviour even more. Kinda like this mother devouering and getting stronger. Cool video! Really makes me think

[@psychologicalsuccess3476]

Thank you for wording it for us

[@hamish4659]

This was one of the most incredible things I've ever heard. Just awesome. Thank you!

[@bravesoldat4498]

yes yes, The emprah gave us the webway so we could travel the galaxsy in seconds

[@JustRideTheVibe]

The fact that I'm on here replying to this video, just goes to show how sticky that web is! The Matrix has you, indeed.

[@drachenpaladin4108]

Reject mother spider

[@echothewanderer112]

I think the whole concept of awakening courage in men is brilliant and is desperately needed these days. I think most of the conflict in America these days is borne of entitlement, arrogance and lack of good strong masculinity.

[@daklr2501]

don't let your energies be wasted on this devourer, focus on reality, improve yourself. . . . . . . . return to the gods of the physical world.

[@SutekhChroma]

MemeAnalysis, thank you so much because you've pulled together multiple crossover theories I've had about energies, psychology, psychiatry, channeling/spirits, "Gods," religion, sexuality & so on and how that ties together into a persons actual, individual life - both in a physical, subjective sense & a mental, objective sense - so I'd just like to say that this was a really, really good video.

[@uhhdudethatwouldbesalt672]

Wonderful discussion as always, man. I have a question. Is it possible to extract useful things from this "web" to enhance our quality of life without becoming too wrapped up in it? Music, images, things that we all relate to on some fundamental level, or are these merely the gateways to a rabbit hole of internet addiction?

[@MemeAnalysis]

Yes, I will talk about this more, specifically through the myth of Theseus and Ariadne's Golden thread.

[@uhhdudethatwouldbesalt672]

@@MemeAnalysis Looking forward to it!

[@alepthanderson5189]

it's better to treat the internet as a tool to an end- to communicate with other people or as a repository of information (a library of sorts) than much else.

[@Alex-hu5eg]

@@alepthanderson5189 Pornhub is literally 1/3 of all the internet we have :)

[@rchetype7029]

That myth really is applicable in this circumstance. The internet is a rhizomatic labrynth.

[@PraetorClaudius]

Uberboyo and MA? I can die happy now.

[@man-qz8ki]

"Yeah, right guys this is not good" LOL

[@Jaden-Ring]

I'm starting to feel like the mother manifesting through our society's own internet addiction can be tied to the basilisk.

[@awertyuiop8711]

Your comment is a memetic hazard. The Foundation is on it’s way.

[@sebastianrauscher4969]

Oh fuck oh shit i was laughing about that thing, now i am scared

[@masicbemester]

well, fucc

[@andrews2812]

Rokko's Basilisk?

[@normanclatcher]

​@@andrews2812That's the one.

[@NextPivMaster]

Have you read the Mother Horse Eyes stories? It is a grotesque literal take on the devouring mother, that was distributed through the internet, reddit specifically.

[@sean..L]

This idea of the devouring mother reminds me of Ungoliant from Tolkien’s mythology. The giant female spider with a bottomless hunger, challenging even the strongest gods of Valinor. In christian mythology it is Sin giving birth to Death.

[@normanclatcher]

Never understood Tolkien's interest in spiders in LOTR or the The Hobbit. It would makes sense, from an archetype perspective.

[@PillarofSovereignty]

I came from Uberboyo's channel and I loved your guys' conversation.. Once my channel gets big enough, would love to do a discussion with you linking memes, mysticism, AI, Jung, and other things. Keep killing it my friend

[@MGSamii]

I found your view of the web and its spider interesting, but I do have another angle on it. I don’t see it as only a spider web but as a tool that is more similar to us. For we as being birth incomplete from the womb we are molded in to quimeras and the web as mirrors that as well, being an intermingle of intermingled, be theme the web of a spider, barbed wire, roads, the net of a fisherman, the lines of a cloth or the connections of your neurons that are ever changing to the needs of its surroundings and united into one. It is as you said about the anima a manifestation of the unity of strings, but depending on the spot that you look at or if you look at all of it you’ll see that it reflects about that micro or macro cosmos.

[@vin608]

One thing that I noticed: Many gamers/nerds are balding. The devouring anima took their hair!

[@alleywayup1662]

it would be sick if there was some ambient/experimental music underneath the philosophy talks, but i love the visuals and the discussion

[@00Boogie]

Funnily, I recently finished a game called Raging Loop which touched on the Jungian idea of the spider as Great Mother, and the immediate reaction being the archetype seems more fitting of an evil temptress. Further, the spider is very rarely regarded with reverence. Even the snake which scares us on a primal level is regarded as wise. And this game originally came out about 5 years ago. Maybe this meme had been lingering on the periphery of consciousness for some time.

[@eta_carithebrightlord3396]

Humanity intrinsically hates spiders

[@normanclatcher]

Arachne was a victim. Anansi was a trickster. Charlotte was wise beyond her years. And Spider-Man is the hero with no happy ending. The animals themselves give us the heebie-jeebies more often than not. But there's no telling where the spider, as a character, will end up. I like how they trap and filter the negative; we're allies against flies and mosquitoes. They do their thing, I'll do mine.

[@margyoan97]

One word: Slaneesh. Amazing video

[@TheZalor]

Serial Experiments Lain covered a lot of this. I would love to hear your thoughts on it

[@bloodangelsarebestchapter9128]

I fucking knew warhammer 40k was right we’re all making chaos gods

[@jeffreymacmullin1653]

LISTEN TO THE DURGE OF SLAANESH

[@onethousandfaces]

You actually got uberboyo on, I've been waiting for this, my jimmies are rustled

[@hermezztriplecool9131]

Thank God all the people with a God complex are helping us get enlightened through the internet.

[@captainahab2711]

Normally devouring mother's that eat us are hyper bad... The internet does have it's benefits and gives us a few useful things. We get ready access to any information we used to have to bribe people with briefcases of cash to learn, we get to communicate long distance with our fellow man, and access to more goods and services. Having an addiction tho...

[@captainahab2711]

Fr great video

[@ryan.1990]

This is the video equivalent of the "take your meds" meme.

[@433Buckshot]

There is a group of smol hats that worship their mothers

[@433Buckshot]

Whom also hate Christ

[@Dodgerific]

This was a super awesome discussion 👍

[@eruno_]

Now I understand why there is Lain in the channel banner

[@trashketchum9782]

one of the most underrated videos tbh

[@altrumodi5694]

sHIT those visuals are fucking cool.

[@zhatar4214]

Imagine smoking with this dude

[@Gretstarret]

What the absolute fuck did I do to get this recommended for me? This is mind blowing in a hilarious way.

[@lazmilo]

Not sure if you take requests on future video topics but an investigation into the Morpheus meme "What if I told you..." would be fantastic. Plenty of avenues to venture down, including the Mandela effect correlation.

[@theuday99]

goddisk is so open minded and his ways are so different that sometimes i feel like he is saying nonsense

[@demolition_lovers]

The Infinite Tsukuyomi.

[@BlindBosnian]

12:26 Reminds me of Ungoliant, the giant spider from Tolkien's legendarium with an insatiable hunger and desire to devour the world

[@nikolai7521]

Thanks a lot for your videos! Can you analyze anime Serial Experiments Lain. Now I feel that my avatar represents what was in the video)

[@tennlaartlam794]

Eldritch god we deserve

[@migarsormrapophis2755]

Mark Twain's Mysterious Stranger analysis when?

[@SutekhChroma]

This almost makes me feel like this Devouring Mother archetype exists in both actual, Devouring Mother archetypical women & what I'd call the "Erasing Father" archetypical man, who even though they're at odds with each other on personal & very obvious political levels, combine to create a society together which uses everyone's Anima while repressing them, creating Devouring Mother type environments that are the greatest reflection of that Archetype that could ever exist because at the end of the day, you have to fear the society & or country you were born into because, well - the Spider doesn't care about the Web, it cares about using that Web to eat - and young people know that the older people around them have been lost to that & so can't trust their parental figures, peers or even themselves because it takes so long to see the alternatives.

[@kwann5263]

12:09 chills

[@RomeTWguy]

a new chaos god is boutta form fr

[@cthulluchanhensel8936]

This format of video is very interesting and appealing 😍😎

[@ThePinguica12]

I think that internet is the web of the spider, and the spider itself is the system we live on, capitalism is all about consumism, and internet (the web) is now the most powerfull tool for consumism that has ever been done. Great video love your work.

[@akirakramer8937]

Ok, question. I noticed a seeming distinction between the archetype of the spider and the web. The spider is a devouring, predatory force but the web itself is a tool, unbound to the spider. The mother does not strangle her prey alone, but casts the net upon them. Connectivity facilitates predation, but the two are non-synonymous. By this logic, is it possible hypothetically to liberate the web from its matriarch and, as a web with no spider becomes a path for the once-prey, transform the World Wide Web into the “information superhighway” that it was always intended to be?

[@zZhashashin7z]

The Web exists only by the mechanics of addiction, there can be no web without the Spider keeping it alive, it's up to the single user to not get caught. Think of every major website active now, from Facebook to Google, to Tik Tok, they all work by the same mechanic, get your attention and keep you in their specific web as much as they can, feeding you ads and gaining money and presence, power. A change of this dynamic would require first a change in the society we live in, a society that sees economic power as wealth and prosperity, instead of more advanced goals that reflect a more realistic perception of life and mortality. To eliminate the spider you must leave the web, for something less sticky and paralyzing, you gotta Surf through the web into the scary open seas of knowledge and chaos

[@DS-lq3dr]

Maybe. Or maybe it's always the lair of the beast. If you're very disciplined and self-controlled, you can venture in the lair, gather the gold, and get out without being consumed. But for many (or most) who venture down into it, they aren't prepared to make it out "alive". The beast inside lures them with all sorts of temptations, which they aren't able to resist. Think 'Sirens' from Odysseus' journey.

[@liamfaris8986]

Thank you for this information.

[@therussiancomicbookgeek]

This guy is awesome 😎

[@ripHalo0002]

1st impact be hittin different

[@Tokmurok]

2:47 this is exactly what happened with me when i got into a couple fights in school. It wakes you up to the true nature of the world.

[@rayangolkar7930]

I know this is an old meme but joker saying the n word and hating minorities and women is my suggestion for a future video. I think it has a lot to do with taboo, chaos and suppression of emotions

[@canazonepapino2727]

So how could we get out of the mother's web? What do we need to sacrifice to free ourselves from the great devour?

[@yohanna3600]

Literally unplug yourself

[@Alex-hu5eg]

Sacrefice Goat? Black ones. That is a good question btw

[@comrademanda6326]

What the fuck this is great

[@kriegerdeslichtsx]

1:19- 1:36 : internet = digital anima ? 4:30- : intellectualisation 5:40- : projecting your creative Energy into the internet Prison ? ( the digital anima steals the energy that should be directed towards creation ) 7:30- : the more you use the internet the more you feed your anima, and the harder it is to individuate 10:10- So basically, are these guys saying , internet is making us more feminine ? Or internet is like a soothing mother we run away to , to avoid confronting real life ?

[@bobsrussi598]

this fucking terrified me. Not excited to be eaten by the internet spider of doom.

[@KreigWes]

We’re about to pull and Eldar before the Eldar get too.

[@user-sv1kd7hz9e]

I thought sophia was devoured by her creation, and her light was the life constantly coming about in nature, and satan (god) was constantly wanting us to cut the grass. I understood the demiurge as the constant birth devouring death cycle of the feminine light trapped in the masculine dogma. A much more violent take then you suggesting sophia is beauty beyond god. I would love to have a discussion about it as there are few to discuss it with

[@Patrick33194]

This is some next level shit

[@jasontm91]

Damn, spot on.

[@ProdWakaw]

I think the animas church is going to be us. I mean this because of neuralink from elon musk

[@EdeYOlorDSZs]

Beautiful

[@MillywiggZ]

How would someone understand the difference between courage and arrogance? Because they are the same if you’re just starting out. It takes courage to tell your manager at work they’re doing something immoral at the same time it can be seen as incredibly arrogant that you can live with not having a job from a small complaint you could have just kept quiet about.

[@DS-lq3dr]

This is a damn good question. I suspect that it's always a back and forth between the two. You have courage enough to get yourself going, but then you will inevitably make mistakes that reality will need to check you on. As long as you can humbly admit your mistakes, you will continue to grow, and with each iteration of this, you become more and more keen.

[@jakobalgeblad6732]

Isn't the answer to rebel as a individual, to preserve what is fading away? Even if the rebellion appears hopeless.

[@Alex-hu5eg]

Jung swore throughout his life to adaptation (Anpassung) and, without exception, traced all abnormalities back to incomplete adaptation. It wasn’t until very late, around his eighties, that he realized, things didn’t match. Social reality is interwoven with corrupt and fantastic elements, and in terms of its reality, completely unreliable. Adaptation is naive, low-key and comical. Beyond a certain limit, if one recognizes the corruption of a conventional system of lies, and yet adapts, it is a person’s crime against himself. Moral impurity, that undermines the seriousness of human life. Jung turned to the opposite side. The cause of mental disorder is not deficient, but excessive adaptation. Tis is the reason for the mass psychological abnormality that occurs in this age. Refusal to adaptation leads to rebellion,and confrontation with the community, resulting in insanity. Adaptation, on the other hand, leads to opportunism, which results in corruption. The other mental illness.

[@jakobalgeblad6732]

@@Alex-hu5eg Thanks for the answer, I agree. Normality is what most people strive towards, to adapt to feel comfort and acceptance. But it denies the part of us that knows that what appears as normal is not truthful/good/great, it's neautral.

[@Alex-hu5eg]

@@jakobalgeblad6732 it should've been. Solitude is necessary but it turns man into evil. The individual must find the love of community on the long run, or he's doomed.

[@calandprem]

i like this format 👍

[@unluckycloverfield4316]

Where do women fit in this? do we become the devouring mother? are we subconsciously fulfilling the archetype? Am I THE ANIMA?!?!?

[@unluckycloverfield4316]

also why are men so afraid of women we are just poeple like i dont understand how they create a giant female cyber-concious that wants to eat their jizzz I mean like just don't dude women just be like, go to work, drink wine buy sweater like what is happening to the mensssss

[@MemeAnalysis]

Women are within the Matrix as well, and susceptible to different, but similar forces, my video on Slenderman covers this a bit, with more to come.

[@nR-nc8mb]

@@MemeAnalysis you are associating the internet as a mother . Because your perspective is from a man . But what is internet to a woman ? A father figure ?. Christ is a father figure and people BOTH WOMEN AND MEN worship him . GENDER does not matter . In all sense we as human beings look for a PARENTAL figure . Both motherly and fatherly . Please don’t associate all bad things to woman . you are demonizing women .do a TYrant father archetype for a change . you should cover both sides of toxicity without BIAS only then you can be called a true philosopher

[@MemeAnalysis]

@@nR-nc8mb I have, the Devouring Father is a Minotaur. Check out my video with Angie Speaks, I discuss this figure there. The Devouring Mother figure just does well with this audience, it is by no means the only digital archetype.

[@Cyberdemon1542]

How about a video on Chris Chan?

[@srdona2201]

This reminds me of the series American gods

[@sidework1]

Time for some father energy

[@littleprince8913]

I've been thinking lately about the internet, the demiurge is an interesting idea though i dont believe it to be a literal entity. I think the internet is more like a fairy circle again not literal fairies. In a fairy circle you dance with the fairies for what seems like minutes but is actually hours or days sometimes even years. The internet especially video games feel like that. But I suppose its the same idea as the demiurge in that it is a trap. Though a fairy circle is typically in folklore not a trap though it can be sometimes by evil fairies. Fairies just experience time differently than we do and think they are giving us a gift of an experience but really they are wasting our time. I don't think fairies exist but it be pretty cool if they did. who knows theres alot we dont know about the world, let alone the fairy world.

[@gfdfggghfg2965]

This makes too much sense

[@eneiban6503]

If this is the case, wouldn’t the advent of a virtual world like in many novels be the natural conclusion of the anima creating her church? That’s a real mindfuck to think about, as events from this year like Elon musks brain chip that can tweak brain function is making us come closer and closer to a reality where we can’t tell the internet and reality apart

[@jacksobrooks]

In the way that this "mother" builds to eat, Christ builds to feed. I don't think Christ is more complex than God. I think we can just take hold of His qualities more easily. That is why He is called Emmanuel, literally "God with us". Being Human, and not God, we need God in the flesh, given for us so that we may live to Him and through Him.

[@grandmasAK47]

What form did the devouring mother take before the internet?

[@darktrooper-ub6eo]

yeah that’s a good question, perhaps the welfare state is a posible form?

[@MemeAnalysis]

Domineering mothers and momma's boys for personal expressions, and then various Whore based Goddesses through history.

[@MemeAnalysis]

@@CrumCringle Imo the economy is relatively masculine, and identified with Moloch, dogma too empowers a phallic structure. I like the idea of atomic warfare as the ultimate return to the mother through annihilation.

[@darktrooper-ub6eo]

@@MemeAnalysis why is that type of anahilation femenine???

[@nR-nc8mb]

@@darktrooper-ub6eo exactly . Annihilation is both masculine and feminine . This channel is funny . “Comparing Christ and evil spider mother .” Christ is not selfish he does not eat . I can see this guy is Christian hater . The internet is invented by A “man “ and used by men and women . The fact that this channel exist in the internet makes him part of the collective . He is also a user of the “spider”. We all are . It depends on how you use it and what you make of it . The internet is not evil . It depends on The user .

[@vin608]

Uberboyo brought me here. Boyus vult!

[@Kar-Kan]

Maybe spider is not internet, maybe its global economic? And internet its just one leg of that spider...

[@ae7698]

That’s an interesting model of conceptualization

[@xXSpaceMexicanXx]

Return to Odin, my friends.

[@JamJestKox]

So what’s the way to become initiated?