Stems Arrive For ALL Engine DJ Hardware - Audio Test & Demo

[@digitaldjtips]

⚡ TIMESTAMPS ⚡ 00:00 Intro 00:28 How it works 01:14 Pre-analysed vs real-time 02:19 Prime 4+ stems demo 03:57 What's required? 04:36 Missing features 04:57 Availability 05:34 Is it free? 06:37 Our thoughts..

[@funklat1]

We don't mind paying for it as long as it works and sounds flawless. Well done denon 👌

[@DJPowerPaul]

"I" is not "we". Your "we" is not "we", but an "I". Well done. As good as these stems sound flawless. When you would turn every content of your comment 180 degree, I would agree with you completely.

[@funklat1]

@DJPowerPaul all this moaning and whining for $9.99?!

[@captainDJ87]

​@@DJPowerPaul go take your meds

[@HUMANuruCELLS]

​@funklat1 where did you get this price?

[@NJX_ONe]

@@HUMANuruCELLSMoJaxx said it was going to be 9.99 and also that's the same price to unlock Stems with the Akai MPC range so makes sense since they're all owned by InMusic

[@louguzzo4977]

I have the prime 4. I have zero problem paying the 1 time fee to upgrade to stems!!! What a great Christmas present to me!!

[@jakl10]

VDJ is free software and with better stems!

[@marcpiac]

@@jakl10free, VDJ?!? 😂 😂 😂 300 euro! Stems on VDJ suck.

[@bkexpresz]

@@marcpiacI use stems with Virtual DJ all the time and it works great. I have a laptop that can process stems in real time. Even on less powerful machines you can pre compute the stems and songs still pretty good.

[@djtravismcguire]

@@bkexpresz I don't disagree with you at all. I remember using STEMS on VDJ for the first time and how mind-blown I was. Now that I use standalone only, having decent STEMS is just as exciting as when it came out on VDJ. I think of it as a disconnect between user platform experiences. Those who chose to ditch the laptop did it for a certain reason. I did it because after watching footage of my performances, I realized how much i just stared at the laptop for really no reason. I'm also moving to Nevada and standalone gear is a little more resilient to heat than laptops tend to be. Switched to standalone and it renewed my love for DJing in the process. It's more about the performance perspective I think. It's a freeing experience to DJ without a laptop and it's something most DJ's won't understand until they experience it. LOL

[@Skaratak]

@@jakl10 VDJ costs 300 bucks and is nice for wedding DJs, I prefer standalone hardware without any laptop in my way.

[@MrKevinstace]

I have recently purchased the prime 4 plus and did the Serato import/sync to get my library, playlists, crates etc...into engine DJ. I then did the track and stems pre-analysis on the entire library which did take a week or two to complete ( to be fair my library is large). Be aware of the extra space required for stems as additional files will be created for each instrument on the track. I then exported all my tracks with Engine DJ to a SATA HD drive an installed it the drive bay. I am happy to say stems works really well and I did not have any problems with performance during playback on the prime4 plus or indexing issues with retrieving tracks form such a large library on the stand-alone unit. I am overall really impressed with what Denon has done here, I now have my entire "stems ready" library available to me on the prime 4 without the need for a laptop. The only question I cant find the answer to yet, is what happens when you change a track or several tracks folder location on the drive? does it break the stem indexing or do the stem identifiers follow the track to whatever folder you place it on the drive? Meaning, you only have to create stems once for your library and are free to move your folders and tracks around on the drive exFAT file system.

[@digitaldjtips]

That's a great overview! I'll have to investigate that folder structure thing.

[@djpigcoficial]

Incredible!... DENON DJ did it again!...

[@klausmogensen8691]

If you used VDJ to export to Engine OS gear, it has been possible to do this for years

[@djdontgetcooked]

Pre Rendered device stems is the way to go 100%. Im fine with paying for that particular feature too. So many years of great support from Denon on all my engine devices Mixstream Pro and a Pair of SC6000ms. Now that I have access to steps on my sc6000ms I will never turn on Traktor Again :D

[@eespecialeventsdj]

You will come back to Traktor lol! The Kontrol F1 is still the best possible way to control stems on the market. When the MK2 drops you will be right behind me in line telling Native Instruments to take our money.

[@djdontgetcooked]

@@eespecialeventsdj Those MK2 variants they are releasing are quite expensive for a midi controller :( I would love to see Traktor D2 MK2

[@jakl10]

Or just use VDJ and do the same thing with an extra stem all for free

[@Skaratak]

@@jakl10 spamming your VDJ comment doesn't make it any more valid, VDJ costs 300 bucks if you want to use it professionally.

[@cosmicpuma]

I bought a set of SC 6000’s and X1850 a couple of years ago and paid just over what one CdJ 3000 costs. Where I live, this price point and feature-set, streaming options etc…made it a viable option and I’m really happy with my gear. Active Stems would be an awesome addition but in the meantime, I have been using Neural Mix Pro to create my them. Now having the option to do the stems analysis in Engine Dj and not have to import them, is great. Nice to see Denon making progress again. Thanks Phil 🙌

[@digitaldjtips]

Yes, active stems would be nice but this is better within the limitations of current hardware.

[@ggrocketleague9098]

Well done Denon! Looking forward to trying this on the SC Live 4 in due course.

[@davebowman1982]

From all the info provided by DigitalDjTips, I bought a Prime 4+ last month and absolutely love it. Stems was never really a deal breaker for me but now it's available I'll definitely be giving it a go. Something extra fun to mess around with. I like that they're making use of your computer to analyse them first - definitely a better route to get better quality. Yeah it's a shame you can't analyse streaming tracks but I can live with that if they sound better when in use 👍🏻

[@iTubeYou]

I honestly like this a lot better since it forces you to make conscious decisions about which tracks you're going to analyze. I tend to dump too much stuff on my usbs as it is already haha. I won't ever really need stems for well over 90% of my tracks.

[@jamesmulgrew5768]

Hi thinking of getting the + can you record your sets onto a USB like xdj xz?

[@TheSaabClinicUK]

None of the current controllers, or even full CDJ's will ever do live Stem analysis. The Qualcomm CPU's simply do not have the power to do this. You would need a controller with a Intel i7 CPU which of course will never exist. So fair enough really doing them ahead of time. A very welcome update !.

[@AveryChow]

you can do live stems with a controller if the laptop it's connected to has a good enough GPU (like a gaming laptop). there are definitely ARM CPUs fast enough for live stems separation but there will eventually come a point where you'll need active cooling like a fan of some kind to cool down the chip to process these stems and that's probably why manufacturers aren't too keen on putting crazy fast CPUs into these devices

[@Koxv2]

I’d say cpu isn’t the problem. We already have good enough ARMs. The issue is the price (fast cpu, ram, better cooling), pro units are already crazy expensive. Imagine if they’d cost twice the price ;) It’s smart to prepare it all on PC. IMO they should let us use lower quality stems on unit itself (at least to cut off the vocals, leave acapella).

[@johnwasilenko170]

@@AveryChowgreat points! Top cpu/gpu laptop combos can do it all (“live’” to some degree) now even reKordbox 7 latest stems don’t sound quite horrible anymore.

[@Zetaretiiculi]

I'm pretty sure they will.

[@johnwasilenko170]

@@Zetaretiiculi An IPad Pro running Djay Pro can process three Neural Stems without requiring a controller or delay as long as your music is not streamed and already on your local device!

[@theAnGle89]

Denon always leading the game

[@HOOZAR]

Thanks Phil for all that you do! I know you won't be around forever (I guess I won't be either) so I wanted to let you know now while we're both still here that you've had a big impact on me and my friends across the pond here in Ottawa Canada. Keep killing it!

[@digitaldjtips]

Well, one thing is for sure none of us will be around forever, but I have no plans to go anywhere just yet! Thanks for the support🇨🇦

[@ohwowtri]

Hell yeah!!! Love Denon with all of their updates. Amazing

[@djstevie69]

Honestly that its a one time payment rather than a nonsense subscription just scores all the kudos points for Denon. Well done. My Prime2 will feast :D

[@digitaldjtips]

Yeah, most people seem happy enough with this

[@iTubeYou]

apparently it's only $10 - I have no problem with this at all.

[@omaritaylor244]

Denon DJ for the win again 🙏🏿🙌🏿

[@jimmyj1548]

Engine Is a killer! 🔥

[@BassBajo]

Daaamn! I was about to switch to the Rane performer. Nope! I’m sticking with my prime 4+! We’ve been waiting for this for a while.

[@digitaldjtips]

Decisions, decisions!

[@p5ri3o]

Engine DJ is a GOD send, for us mere MORTALS🙏 Rather than having to pay "EXORBITANT" fees for the likes of AlphaTheta, Denon💪continues to provide the best BANG for your buck. As a Prime 4 owner I would gladly pay a one time license fee @ $9.99 any day of the week and twice on Sundays, rather than committing to a subscription model👎 Well done Denon 👍, would like to see a (4-channel Rotary Mixer) from you guys; make it so🤞

[@digitaldjtips]

Certainly people have received this small single payment news well!

[@coryswanson2247]

Just bought a used set of sc-5000’s might be the best move of my life

[@digitaldjtips]

Indeed!

[@AtommHD]

Great decks mate, enjoy!

[@haroldharris145]

Denon are beasts when it comes to updates. I'm so close to going back to the sc5000's

[@klausmogensen8691]

If you used VDJ to export to Engine OS gear, it has been possible to do this for years

[@marcpiac]

@@klausmogensen8691broken record 🥱

[@eespecialeventsdj]

Even though it won't be free for me on my prime go+ I still intend on purchasing the upgrade. Still excited.

[@mannythedj2023]

Fantastic!!!

[@Mac_Kymera]

AlphaTheta do things for their profits. Denon do things for their DJ's. I will happily provide a one off fee to Denon because I know they work tirelessly hard to provide DJ's with the best software.

[@digitaldjtips]

That's a great vote of confidence, I am sure they'll enjoy reading it!

[@djruffbeats]

🔥🔥

[@Petrichor_1981]

Nice solution Denon 🎉 I guess there will come new prime 4 model in near future to match alpha thetas az and 100% there will be real time stems on that 🤔 probably a hardcore soundcard as well 😄

[@digitaldjtips]

No doubt they will keep improving the hardware, but this seems the right way to go for now.

[@robr4488]

Just tried it and found this important thing to note: If you store your music library in dropbox folder, even if it is a local copy on your hard drive, the stems generation will not happen. You have to move the file to another local drive folder in order for it to be processed.

[@digitaldjtips]

Ooooh, this is an interesting limitation - thanks for sharing.

[@ukshotter2005]

£9.99 bargain im looking forward to it can't wait Denon just keeps on giving.

[@jasongray3337]

Thanks for the heads up, I was just about to jump ship from my SC5000, purchased traktor and was going to switch to s4, so glad: my boring world has just woken up, so much now. When playing house or progressive I can drop in my 80s soul funk etc : and I might have yo get back on the breakbeat. And same goes for my more trance like side. I heard we were getting stems but after I mentioned on forum it was said that it's only going to be for the prime4 and later. I feel like saying freckling A to be precise and polite about how chuffed I am going to me. Time to leave the majority behind, well that's the plan at 55, never too late a phil. Cheers for your info. I really am quite impressed with the gems u are sharing for folks, some deep thoughts always tagging along in your wisdom phil. Nice one.

[@digitaldjtips]

Thanks for the support and kind words, Jason!

[@rogera.martin5682]

Stems works on the Denon 5000m. Been using it for months without preanalyzing the tracks. Using it as a 3rd deck with the Rane Performer.

[@digitaldjtips]

Er, not sure what you mean but this is a new feature as of today.

[@iTubeYou]

@@digitaldjtips it sounds like he's using the Denon for MIDI control only and the stems implementation is in Serato. (Actually I think the Denon has HID mode for Serato?)

[@yng.strina]

Please do tutorial for the numark mixstram pro go when its gonna be available 🙏🏼

[@SnaikHead]

the main reason for marketing the Prime 4+ was for stems, now all of their hardware can do it.

[@groovindj]

No, the stems beta was made available for the 4+ because Denon wanted a small test group. They never said the full release would be exclusive to the 4+

[@Skaratak]

It was never their main marketing reason, it actually had been leaked by a shop by accident. Also, the more devices support it, the better it is for further feedback and improvements. The $10 solution is fair. Pioneer would never offer that.

[@SnaikHead]

There is no denying that it was a huge selling point for the device. Some people even upgraded from 4 to 4+ for live stem potential. Turned out live separation is completely unnecessary for now

[@timgrant2305]

If I have to pre set the music to use stem then I don’t want it, if I can’t use stem while I stream it’s totally useless

[@groovindj]

@@timgrant2305 Oh how terrible that a DJ has to buy music and do some prep before a gig.

[@commondave_]

Amazing to see this come to the Prime 4+ finally! Would like the option of either pre-rendering the stems before export or using the far lower quality live stems from the beta on the Prime 4+ however, but I can't say no to this.

[@digitaldjtips]

Yeah that won’t happen I don’t think

[@philsep7939]

Hi Phil. Game changer! But I see Denon changing its format on free updates and software versions. In which all Dj software is doing now. All well nothing good last forever!!😂

[@digitaldjtips]

Yes, that is a bit of a shame but at least it ain't a sub!

[@Nibble247]

Its great improvement. Would like to see the ability to mix stems in ad out - like in VDJ. But hey ho! We now have standalone dj controllers WITH stems.

[@digitaldjtips]

Indeed!

[@RyanAllendorf]

New camera? Or lights? Looks great! Crisp and bright.

[@digitaldjtips]

Just gradual improvement over time! Thanks for noticing Ryan

[@manny_f]

Lovely!!

[@Worrelpa]

I think the reason prime 4 plus users get it for free is the investment in new gear and a little thank-you for the beta testers for waiting so long It is the right way to do it given the limitations on hardware. It is still relatively new and stems extraction will get better over time. I suspect the development cost and maybe third party extraction software might be the reason other need to pay. If they keep the price one time and low I don't think that will be a problem for most. Especially if it develops and gets better.

[@digitaldjtips]

Definitely a nice thing to do for Prime4+ users who were always promised a solution.

[@ricardovelazquez6480]

Thanks denon! I will gladly pay my 10 USD 😍 I think it is a fairly cheap

[@QRS365]

Good to see Denon step in the game of Stems. Btw Phill I need your help. Is there a good App that can analyze and edit beat grids? I wanna divert to the Techno/Mainstage genre but I notice their grids do not line up nicely

[@digitaldjtips]

you need to use the grids in the DJ software you are using.

[@QRS365]

@@digitaldjtips thanks. Am using virtual dj.

[@dj-peterofficial2753]

It's gonna be $9.90. Paid once for a life time license. From the Engine Stems FAQ. Will also install a third party tool in to Engine at first time use of stems.

[@digitaldjtips]

Seems fair enough

[@clubtonberry]

I have the Prime Go and I'm totally all-for a one time fee for the additional feature. No subscription is always going to win in my book, even if the features should just come standard for free. One time is better than ALL the time

[@digitaldjtips]

This seems to have hit right with users, for sure!

[@ianrichards2054]

Tested it…and it does sound good 👏…but… it doesn’t seem to analyse stems if the track is stored in a Dropbox folder on the desktop…which is annoying for me because that is exactly where I had moved all my downloaded tracks to 🙁

[@digitaldjtips]

Yes, so we understand - not sure why!

[@ianrichards2054]

@@digitaldjtips in better news, it DOES let me analyse stems on tracks already sync'd to my SSD drive that I have fixed inside the Prime 4+ itself, which is awesome as I have 2 TB on there 👌🤩

[@sashabeep]

As from mine perspective, one-time payment is valid for this kind of improvement since all the hardware getting constant updates, so it should be paid somehow. I'm pretty sure that analysis on the hardware itself coming soon.

[@digitaldjtips]

Oh it will come soon enough for sure, but for now this seems fair/works well

[@alexmelendez6732]

I have the sc6000ms with the x1850 mixer love it will never have to uograde for time to come

[@digitaldjtips]

Good to hear!

[@JewelzFin]

I' a Prime 4+ owner, but even if I wasn't I wouldn't mind the $10 one time fee because Engine has been great.

[@digitaldjtips]

Yeah, a common sentiment!

[@50MT4]

Seems like I can’t download the Stems processor in the Engine desktop software. It keeps saying I connection failed but my internet is working perfectly…any idea what could be happening and how to fix it?

[@digitaldjtips]

Sorry, no!

[@villianaire]

An Engine DJ rep commented on their KZbin video that stems will run a whopping, completely unreasonable $9.97 for a lifetime license. Unreal! Do they think we're trillionaires?!

[@digitaldjtips]

🤣

[@tommyoz777]

I just purchased the Prime 4 plus a couple of weeks ago after deciding to rid of Pioneer SA's and the whole stems feature in general. What a nice surprise from Denon. This route for stems is perfectly fine with me. I would rather not have the unit struggling with the process. I always go big with SSD drives so I'm ready. I'm a techy guy so I don't care for familiarity, I welcome new features. Thanks for the Vid Phil!!

[@digitaldjtips]

Great to hear! Enjoy it Tommy.

[@cduemig1]

Good stop gap. I can’t say I mind too much paying for it as I’ve had my prime 4 for years and they’ve been pumping out a lot of upgrades for free. Echo out would be huge or being able to control them with the eq knobs.

[@digitaldjtips]

Yes, both would be cool!

[@bretts7037]

Nice little snag to get sales back from the XDJ-AZ. I bet they release a whole new Prime unit next year, but hopefully more of an upgrade than the pointless "+" version of the Prime Go... don't want to wait though! Black friday deals are slipping away!

[@digitaldjtips]

Maybe...

[@Keyaar1978]

Anyone knows where the stems file will be saved on your computer? I dont want them on my small C drive.

[@digitaldjtips]

There

[@efearubayi4468]

will this feature work on the opus quad ?

[@emanuelloera6774]

?

[@funkmachine1984]

@digitaldjtips is there anyway to keep your bps that you have fixed up during your music being re-analysed or will that data be lost? I play a lot of older music and the bps engine analysed weren’t always correct and I fixed them. Thanks 😊

[@digitaldjtips]

Yes I believe this won't alter your beatgrids

[@seanrise2728]

"All other Numark and Denon DJ standalone hardware users will be able to playback Stems on December 11th after purchasing a one-time Stems unlock license ($9.99 USD.) "

[@digitaldjtips]

Yes, that was announced since we made the vid (the price)

[@seanrise2728]

@@digitaldjtips Thanks, oversight on my part.

[@Raincat961]

does it work well on SC Live 4 or do you need a more powerful Prime 2+?

[@digitaldjtips]

Will work on SC Live 4 when it comers out in a few days for all other Engine DJ gear.

[@Ronniezim]

I’m told it’s 10 dollars - which is more than fair!

[@jakl10]

But VDJ is free and has way better stems

[@IcemanTheDj]

@@jakl10 VDJ is not free if you use it with controller! Wake up! "If you are not using it professionally, and do not use any professional equipment like a DJ controller, or a DJ mixer, then VirtualDJ is FREE."

[@jakl10]

@IcemanTheDJ I’m awake trust me you should get a new alarm clock haha I never said anything about using it being free to use professionally or with equipment; that you have to pay for yes. What I am saying is that the same functionality Phil is talking about in the video, the ability to analyze and separate stems, is completely free to use in VDJ without the need for any DJ equipment. Just download it to your computer and give it a go! Completely free :)

[@IcemanTheDj]

​@@jakl10 "But VDJ is free and has way better stems"

[@Skaratak]

@@jakl10 just stop spamming your nonsense everywhere. Gosh, VDJ fanboys are worse than Linux fanboys.

[@michaelkeating480]

do you think this is why they left the performance pads on the bottom for the xdj az, because alpha theta are thinking of inevitably releasing this?

[@digitaldjtips]

Ooooh good question, no I think it is to maintain what did well on the XZ.

[@mannythedj2023]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@krisyflynt9211]

Will these stems work with music i have stored on my laptop over wifi using my laptop as music source.? Or do i need to put them on a USB drive.

[@digitaldjtips]

It seems you need to put them on a USB drive.

[@dannyseville2543]

It's about time as i have started to use stems in djay pro but looking to get a standalone unit. The only bug for me is the vocals being on the left and the drums on the right. Any instance of stems I have used has been low end on left up to the right.

[@digitaldjtips]

I am sure you'd get used to it!

[@36efitnessllc18]

I hope they get that for the Opus

[@digitaldjtips]

Prediction: It won't happen (we'd love to be proved wrong).

[@djtravismcguire]

I said to a buddy of mine about 8 months ago that the hold-up with STEMS was because Denon Engine developers realized pre-analyzed was the better way to go. So, there is one thing i predicted right, so here's my next prediction. Anyone notice you can't find NEW SC6000/6000M's on any website but one? I smell some fresh new gear coming soon.

[@digitaldjtips]

...or they'll just abandon this sector, it's a hard sell trying to nudge Pioneer DJ out of the pro booth

[@routtier62]

Je l ai acheté est cela ne fonctionne pas sur la prime 4 elle veux rien savoir 🙃

[@nielscolijn7722]

Great news, I wonder how this works in practice and whether Engine is able to make "clean" stems without too much artifacts/noise. Paying $10 for it does seem like a bargain to me as it opens up such a wide range of new performing options when you're able to combine vocals with any track. It bothers me a lot that you can't preview the stems from the desktop software though, that seems like a big missed opportunity. Especially since I don't have the 4+ and now apparantly have to wait for it to be released (I'm on the SC Live 4). The ability to export stems as separate .wav-files would be something I would really like, especially since I'm forced to switch to Pioneer/Rekordbox all the time for club setups. But I'm not sure if it's possible directly(?). Of course you can just play the vocal stem track from the controller and record it from there, but it seems like an unnecessary hassle so I hope Denon enables this QoL feature.

[@digitaldjtips]

All good requests. I can reassure you that the quality is as good as anyone's, give or take.

[@terulzz]

This is what XDJ - AZ should've been

[@digitaldjtips]

There's nothing stopping AT introducing this of course

[@gvue4396]

Are we gonna gonna get a prime 2+

[@digitaldjtips]

No word on that

[@michaelcossey8929]

As a mobile DJ (not club) that up until now uses a laptop with music on the internal storage, what is the best way to store my music going forward with stand alone? HDD, SSD, USB or SD? I have quite a large library that will potentially triple in size once the stems and soundswitch data has been loaded.

[@digitaldjtips]

A large SD always works for me, Prime 4+ lets you fit an internal SSD too.

[@klausmogensen8691]

Since VDJ can export in a format that EngineOS equipment can read, and VDJ included stems separation in this export from the beginning (on top of exporting the full track), this has been possible for several years. I've done it on my MixStream Pro since i got it a couple of years ago

[@ghettoshampoo]

This is true, but did you not have to just load the stem up like a song on another channel? Having buttons toggle the stems on and off, both on the GUI and the performance pads, make this a bit more handy. But I agree, I've done it that way for years.

[@tenjisaga]

Can the stems be exported from Engine? E.g., acapella into Logic Pro?

[@digitaldjtips]

Not easily

[@josecarlosarroniz0127]

Bravo 🎉🎉🎉 10€?

[@ajproductionz731]

what about the prime go plus

[@digitaldjtips]

Yes, will come for that

[@ajproductionz731]

@digitaldjtips will it be free for the go plus as well?

[@HartogLeon]

My collection has been bulk converted from Rekordbox 'through' Lexicon (to preserve both hot cues and memory cues). These tracks refuse to be converted into stems. Everything I added to the collection manually since, works. So I either have to wait for a solution or rebuild the whole collection...

[@digitaldjtips]

There must be a solution... maybe ask the Lexicon support?

[@HartogLeon]

Thanks for your response. It seems they are already on it. It's just a matter of time. For now I have work around it if I want to use stems

[@bigtan4164]

Tidal state that when you add the dj extension to your subscription you can use stems. I took that as they are stems really?

[@digitaldjtips]

That is with software, it won't work on standalones

[@rogerdjezddefreese1135]

Hey Didn't Natives Instrments start stems ?

[@digitaldjtips]

Kind of... long story.

[@rogerdjezddefreese1135]

@@digitaldjtips So thats ahhh Yes {Ha Ha Ha } ! Your the best been watching you for many years

[@marviklima5568]

Sounds like you don't have an internal sata drive installed and why you have to use flash drive.

[@digitaldjtips]

Not sure what you're saying here

[@DJDOG-zakkgamer6423]

Here comes the future monthly subscriptions.

[@digitaldjtips]

doubt that

[@ruanmata]

Sweeet!!

[@haroldharris145]

According to Mojaxx, it will cost a time fee of 10 dollars for the stems software upgrade on other Denon players

[@digitaldjtips]

That's correct, it wasn't confirmed when we made our video so we couldn't say.

[@mariodivaro3430]

Working on Prime 2???

[@digitaldjtips]

Will do, yeah

[@MatthewGillespiedj]

I don't mind the one time fee, but why do Prime4+ users get it for free?

[@digitaldjtips]

Stems was promised to them (kind of) upon purchase

[@JIZQU]

has anyone used Prime4 + with record box ?

[@digitaldjtips]

No, you cannot.

[@groovindj]

If only the format of the saved stems was cross compatible between products. Nobody wants to generate stems separately for each product they own.

[@digitaldjtips]

Although to be fair, most people stick to one platform generally. Good point though!

[@bboymac84]

I rather wait till stand alone great quality stems. When they get great quality standalone stems it’s over for Pioneer and Alpha theta!

[@gortys3929]

As long as it is one time payment I can accept it. I don’t like subscription for every little things.

[@digitaldjtips]

It will be $9.99 apparently

[@DJPrato]

I seem to recall us talking about this taking a couple years before this appeared on hardware. (prep process to get the stems ready on the loaptop ahead of time aside). Stems in action in place of my normally painfully-sourced acapellas on the show last week on the Prime 4 Plus. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqe8eGywqLFgjc0si=Aud4vdJfofFdUHer&t=4241

[@tamer27antepli]

If you want realtime u can use serato

[@digitaldjtips]

Yes indeed!

[@RenatoHarripaul1217]

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@oswaldbobb]

It's $9.99 US

[@_TJD]

It's s shame we can't play stems tracks via wifi pc engine os desktop. Having to export onto usb takes forever. Can't even export a new track, 1 at a time to an existing playlist on usb, so exporting entire playlists with stem seperation files is gonna take even longer.

[@digitaldjtips]

it is a v1.0

[@_TJD]

@digitaldjtips Here's to hoping for those update rollouts

[@dirk6852]

I'm glad to hear that, but the 4.1 update has made my Live 4 unusable. It freezes regularly, and when that happens, nothing works except the display. The support keeps delaying a solution, and the 4.2 update hasn't improved anything. This is slowly becoming detrimental to my business.

[@digitaldjtips]

Sad to hear that - hope it gets fixed soon!

[@digitalbob]

Try downloading 4.0 onto a USB stick and downgrade the firmware, then upgrade it again. My live 4 played up with a recent firmware update but a reinstall fixed the issue. Although hopefully the release in December will have a fix if you can wait that long.

[@dirk6852]

@digitalbob According to Denon Support, a downgrade to version 4.0 or below is unfortunately no longer possible.

[@digitalbob]

@@dirk6852 oh that's annoying. Hopefully the soon to be released version clears up your issues.

[@stephenshiels5179]

It costs $10. Which is a fair price to pay as long as it works. Hopefully not paying a fee for new and upcoming features though otherwise it could start to get out of control. In today economic state world wide. People cant afford a lot.

[@digitaldjtips]

I guess they see this as a big upgrade

[@vasiliszaxaropoulos8726]

👍👍👍👍👍😮😮😮😮

[@PHAZE1971]

Anyone else thinking Alpha Theta might need to up their game. I got rid on my Prime 4 for an RX3, due to having an RX2 as well, might have regrets that now.

[@digitaldjtips]

Competition is always good, that's for certain!

[@UnemployedFakeGuru]

Sounds is what makes it useable or total rubbish... so the way they went is perfect.

[@digitaldjtips]

We agree

[@mariahkerry1698]

So not in stand alone mode😢??

[@digitaldjtips]

Well, as we say, it will work in standalone mode as long as you prepare them beforehand.

[@XmikeromoshX]

So it will only be used for computer use not the actual decks (prime go)

[@XmikeromoshX]

@djstuc awesome I'm excited (baby steps)

[@dondiablito]

Not sure you understood but your just using the computer to "analyze" the music but once analyzed you put in on a flash drive or memory card and load it onto your actual hardware. You don't play it from your computer. Well at least that's what I understood and will do so with my original Prime 4. 😊👍

[@Wendel_Kos]

happy to 10 euros (like 2 beers in holland these days) and not subscription :P

[@digitaldjtips]

Yes, this has gone down well with people!

[@dannyboyex]

This caught my interest but I've become accustomed to real time stems and it has saved me a few times at events.

[@digitaldjtips]

Fair enough, this won't be for you then

[@dannyboyex]

@digitaldjtips I'm still excited that progress is being made tho. Maybe one day it will be for me. Anything that weakens Pion- I mean Alpha Theta's hold on the market is a win for me

[@JimvsBob]

Wowzers, thats a big deal for denon

[@digitaldjtips]

It is!

[@strackete5441]

Good step in the right direction, but it be better if Streaming Services could be analyzed ( in general like rekordbox ) and with Steam separation . Hope there will choose a small one time payment instead of subscription. Else it gonna be problematic 😑

[@strackete5441]

The fee will be 10$ (Source Mojaxx)

[@piurtv]

And fortunately it's a one-time fee, it's not a subscription. Not too expensive imo.