First Look: Denon DJ Prime 4+ 👀 There's Something They're NOT Telling You...

[@djNineshoxxx]

Good move from Denon updating the aesthetics

[@digitaldjtips]

It makes quite a difference, doesn't it?

[@renechang2406]

It's not out yet.

[@djtoxcis]

I think the big think are stems, to separate Vocals, Melodic and Drums. Because the other units haven't the power from the chip inside to work with stems. 🤷🏼 We will see

[@CapersJr716]

I believe you are correct. Stems are the biggest feature out now. To have that in a stand alone device would be very sweet indeed.

[@digitaldjtips]

Would be cool!

[@fabriziogirelli1738]

I don't think it could be the steams in real time because it should have an apple M1/M2 type processor or an Nvidia rtx graphics card and I don't think these units have that much power, virtual dj to work well (if not leave the steams alone in time real) needs a lot of power and also serato

[@togisivni]

yes!

[@giuseppetonziello6933]

Terrible pads layout :-( they still continue to put slicer and slicer loop… instead sample or other things…

[@edwardmowton9825]

Update: The big surprise it can run Doom.

[@digitaldjtips]

🤣

[@tylerkepple640]

That's not a surprise, Doom runs on anything. It would be more of a surprise if it didn't 😅

[@mik0186]

Curious as to what the big reveal will be. My guess is the DRM Chip is compatible with spotify or other big name streaming services. Which IMO is a MASSVE deal. This would absolutely put Denon screaming ahead of pioneer if they can do something like an SC6000+. Having Proper Spotify integration would absolutely be a game changer for mobile DJ's and taking requests.

[@digitaldjtips]

Spotify would be so cool, and Apple Music.

[@mrdrgonzo]

I doubt Spotify would allow it 🧐

[@thomasamos4055]

I have an Italo disco playlist on Spotify that is aching for this controller.

[@kevinfamoso1865]

Nope, that's not it

[@thomasamos4055]

@@adamg6849 "stems is so 2023" says the future

[@RoyWilding]

Looks much cleaner to me, a step in the right direction there. If that DRM management chip means that Spotify streaming is the big up coming feature they can take my money now.

[@digitaldjtips]

We'd love to see Spotify streaming (and Apple Music too, come to that).

[@mattierenton701]

@@digitaldjtips (i'll eat my proverbial hat) If Apple music is included in that streaming service, I just can't see that, if they have/do, it will be instantly knocking on Pioneers door and they will be worried, very worried. It'll be like another Sony scenario coming out with the original playstation console and slaying EVERYTHING in its path......

[@D-Leo]

Maybe you're right. For me Big would be offline play or stems.

[@DocFUNKist]

Do you think Spotify streaming can be seen as progress? It's surprising how people never cease to amaze me. Tidal has been offering higher resolution for quite some time now.

[@mrdrgonzo]

@@DocFUNKistdoes it have the catalog though?

[@furryrug5998]

Personally think one of Denon's biggest problem have been it's aesthetics, they looked a bit cheap and slightly garish, Denon were verywell known for HQ separates with nice clean looks. This is step in the right direction and I applaud them for taking the fight to Pioneer with their units packed with really cool tech.

[@digitaldjtips]

We agree, looks nicer.

[@djsonhador]

They have to adress too that greenish waveform to full colored RGB. It's time to do it. When the SC5000 and the x1800 came out I've said to some friends that were too much green and that could've been a big drawback for denon to sell well the units.

[@furryrug5998]

@@djsonhador yeah dude! When you're paying serious money the kit has to look professional. I love to see a collaboration with an old school manufacturer like mastersound who makes rotary mixers with lovely metal finishes and really tactile controls .

[@martinheinrichs4867]

well they just adjusted the Design to the SC6000 Design. its okay. but the small lines on the Pads are a NO GO. when its dark u even dont see where the pad starts and where it ends thats too much "reducing"

[@PiriakaTrackwrecker]

It's quite Roland Aira vibesss

[@efrn007]

I'm ok with the small jogs, but was expecting a more club style oriented mixer, like that on the SC Live 4, or with paddles at least since these have become quite popular. The fx controls per deck are a pain and a mess to work with.

[@digitaldjtips]

They are "classic" style FX controls, but to the plus side, they are far more flexible than paddles.

[@JK-ej9xq]

For me the FX controls are gold, if you use Stems in Virtual DJ you can use them with the FX controls without touching the equalizer, is basically the same way as seen on the FLX-10

[@efrn007]

I have the DDJ-1000. For me, the club style layout is better because I can use the pads in conjuction with the mixer fx and the crossfader with a single hand while controlling the left deck with the other hand. I have made killer transitions with this technique. That's something you can't do with the fx in the upper side of the decks. But I understand, from a software controller perspective, and not focusing on standalone mode, the fx controls on each deck are a better choice. We will see if the secret feature is reason enough to buy this new unit.

[@hernanvergara9313]

The mystery might be that Engine DJ will work on the phone, or control your effects with your phone. Be able to join the party. Since Inmusic has bought a share of Moog, there might be a built in synth effects, boost creativity by remixing live. Maybe incorporate a groovebox. Cheers

[@digitaldjtips]

Lots of good ideas there!

[@Wanderlust]

*Great review!*

[@lustersavage8986]

Hi Wanderlust

[@LadyParysatis]

i actually like the futuristic look of the Denon Prime 4, i think that it looks wicked cool 💚🌿

[@digitaldjtips]

Yeah it's fine :)

[@chemonmusic]

New and big? Laptop less stems separation? PLACE YOUR BETS HERE. I am curious what does everyone else think?

[@dj.scio.france]

+1 live stems

[@mikecosta1889]

Stems

[@thelapander]

It has to be stems, can't imagine it being anything else

[@ronperry4980]

I think it will have the ability to download and use VDJ, and Serato without a laptop or external device connected since both software have Stems and require more internal processing power.

[@xXKraNcaRXx]

Correcto

[@villianaire]

It looks so much better without the green.

[@digitaldjtips]

We tend to agree

[@aldarroch3303]

Luvvv my Prime 4, and all my Christmas colors :), but all in all both units kick ass. I think the new unit might come with a Hard Drive included or something to do with stems.

[@digitaldjtips]

Definitely not a hard drive included, everyone is guessing stems...

[@camels3269]

Excellent review, the prime 4+ looks a lot slicker this way! I only wish they released it with full-size jogwheels instead.

[@al3xuk]

KZbin music and Amazon coming on board.

[@digitaldjtips]

Maybe!

[@grahamkelly8662]

Are they smaller then regular cd’j jog wheels?

[@Worrelpa]

new feature has to be STEM's. If it is only for the Prime 4 + then that has to have the power in it that other units don't have. If it is then I hope we get the option of preprepared Stems on certain other kit. Though having serato as an option might be the fallback position on this. My sparkly new SC live 4 is jst getting the updates right now. :)

[@Worrelpa]

We already know about Bluetooth to be coming in the next update. Fuzzy key mixing options must be on the horizon. Loving the update to the effects so far. Great job Denon

[@CapersJr716]

Yup, I vote for stems

[@digitaldjtips]

" If it is only for the Prime 4 + then that has to have the power in it that other units don't have. " Well, we asked Denon DJ and they said it is the same internal power as the Prime 4.

[@Worrelpa]

@@digitaldjtips thats strange since they are so many years apart.

[@DJCastorWu]

Colors and skins are better looking, but also wondering if any better function available ?

[@cnnonyelu]

When will it be available for purchase?

[@UONeal]

Right as I'm about to lay down... This drops... Thanks Phil lol

[@erwindouwes7043]

right thanks now i'm gonna be 2hrs deep thx Phil

[@cosmicpuma]

Awesome! I've been waiting for the touchscreen effects. Downloading update for my SC6000's as I watch the vid. Thanks Phil 🙌

[@digitaldjtips]

Enjoy the FX, they're fun!

[@djsnowpdx]

All I know about Engine DJ is that it doesn’t have STEMS. Therefore I am certain that “something big” can only be STEMS And if the Prime 4 + has faster guts, that’s what STEMS needs.

[@digitaldjtips]

Can we wait? the excitement is building...

[@tosmixno]

Hope you're right! I love my stems in Serato and would love to see it in a standalone

[@bkvargyas1]

I Agree, STEMS is the new feature they will be adding and required a hardware update. Any "Plus" versions of the hardware will feature this. I'm sure new 6000 series and GO series will be next..... I just started playing around with VirtualDJ on my GO with Stems and love the integration so much, I may stay with it and drop Serato....However, if Engine goes STEMS as predicted, I'm all in... I'll have to buy the GO+ as well, as I love the battery operation and transportability of my GO!

[@markhorsburgh76]

For those that are reading here... STEMS is being added late summer.

[@cnnonyelu]

When do we expect the DENON DJ PRIME 4+ available for purchase?

[@digitaldjtips]

End of the month

[@hairydot61]

Hello Digital DJ Tip, I do enjoy watching you're in depth content and analysis, ...I wonder if you could explain via a video how to manually re-take control of a Denon prime 4 when you start to do a mix using the 'sync' button, at some point during the mix and you want to plus or minus the speed you are currently playing at the Denon unit appears to be non- responsive, but, the channel that is unused next to the channel you are currently playing a file on responds to the pitch slider for the track actually playing, you can see the pitch indicator number move (increase/decrease) but the playing channel stays at the original pitch without increasing/decreasing, experimenting with the pitch control slider you have to make an extreme movement of the fader to the top or bottom with the slider to appear to 'jog' and take back control of the BPM, I think they may call this 'soft takeover', sorry this is a converluted explaination but its difficult to describe unless you experience it, ...it has made me try to use the unit and DJ without the sync button to develop personal skills but I would like it visually explained if possible, thank you

[@osbert]

Totally inspired by your last videos talking about your daughter getting into mixing! I am fixated on getting a cheap standalone unit that my nephews can also play with, definitely don't want to be introducing the idea of a laptop / phone / everything else as a music source and a controller being separate. This is way out of the budget I'm thinking of, especially with it being just an add-on for me and something I don't want to feel overly precious about letting them use, but it's great to see more standalone gear! Would love to see more videos on that topic along with some of the most budget oriented options!

[@chuckmakesit]

Sounds like the Numark Mixstream Pro might be what you want, or possibly one of the Denon SC Live units. I have a Denon Prime Go with the same OS and it's fantastic to just hop on and spin when the mood suits me without needing to prep a USB or boot up a computer.

[@digitaldjtips]

@@chuckmakesit Agree, Numark Mixstream Pro+ Or Mixstream Pro Go are the way!

[@osbert]

cheers for the replies, the mixstream pro go is about 900 euro here, the pro+ is 700 euro, that's about double what I'd ideally like to spend on something like that :S I saw the old gemini gmx and looks like it could work well for this. Any thoughts on that unit or any ideas for similarly low budget options?

[@d17mop]

@@osbertget the prime go. It’s great. Rock solid.

[@osbert]

@@d17mop hehe I'm sure it is, but at 1.1k that's even more out of my budget! Bit of a shame there are so few options for entry level gear to get kids interested in something like this. So I've had to rethink the whole standalone idea and a cheap controller is looking very attractive now, to just let them use it when I'm around or wipe and donate an old phone as the host device. Kinda sucks to introduce that complexity and everything else, but lots of good options for super basic controllers that are cheap and/or easy to fix if they smash it up.

[@djndgindagruv214]

Very great review and also loving your honesty on this….. I’m actually thinking of selling my new RANE SEVENTY-TWO MKII mixer with a new DECKSAVER since to me it didn’t compare to my P4 which I’ve been having since it’s release back in 2019….. so, I’m hoping and praying that we’re FINALLY GOING TO GET STEMS in our standalone units🤞🤞🤞

[@digitaldjtips]

I think it's what everyone's expecting...

[@djwardlowentertainment9098]

I bought a Denon SC 4 Live when it came out. It's a light weight monster and actually love the built in speakers. The prime 4 was really tough to buy at that time but Im happy with SC 4 Live. If this was released when i was looking I would definitely consider Prime 4+.

[@m-stat9]

Same here, love my Live 4! Half the price, more portable, speakers, sleek layout, better jog displays. P4+ looks also cool

[@Discoretrox]

Another sc4 live fan...absolutely love it, much prefer it to my rx3.

[@taneltolsting2900]

Yes, I like those jog displays more as well.

[@djsonhador]

@@Discoretrox Hi! How much better is the Live 4 compared to the RX3? I'm wondering to buy to the Live and I want to know as much users opinions as possible to help me decide.

[@Discoretrox]

@Dj Sonhador personal opinion...don't get me wrong rx3 is a great controller in its own right. But the ability to stream from the likes of tidal, the new engine 3.1 and built in speakers along with the £500 price saving is why I'd have it above the rx3

[@deejayrepeattvofficial]

Great video and info as usual my friend!!

[@digitaldjtips]

Thanks for the visit

[@xaviersantos2251]

It would have been perfect if they included a jog adjust knob.

[@digitaldjtips]

Yeah, there are absolutely no hardware changes that aren't purely aesthetic.

[@digitaldecks]

Did they say when their going to release the information about the big secret??

[@digitaldjtips]

Soon!

[@devonlynch1738]

Very knowledgeable because I’m a Denon FAN ALLLL THE WAY

[@digitaldjtips]

Glad to help Devon

[@ScottGiorgini]

I was wondering when DENON would update the Prime 4. Don't get me wrong... because even though I bought my P4 when it originally came out, I've felt like I was getting a brand new unit every time they updated Engine, but it's a lot harder for that original unit to stand out next to all the shiny new gear that the competition have released. I like the refinements to the design... it looks a lot sleeker. I also like the fact that I won't have to get a new case or decksaver should I decide to upgrade because the footprint is ostensibly the same. As for the big reveal, I'm betting on Stems as it's the one big selling feature the others have over Engine gear. If they can implement Stem Separation on the same level that VDJ does them, and have it on a standalone unit, then that's a game changer and would clearly put DENON/Engine DJ in a class by themselves.

[@digitaldjtips]

We will see! And yes, I think your Decksaver would fit fine. They appear exactly the same dimensions.

[@DirtyJokesFan]

Does this mean a new Prime Go+? I was looking at getting one in the future but now I am wondering if there is a refresh of the Prime gear coming.

[@digitaldjtips]

oooooh, don't know! That'd be nice :)

[@JohnEnergy2012]

Probably stems, you need more CPU power to do that, so there might be a CPU update inside.

[@digitaldjtips]

No CPU update! (I checked)

[@DJShadow1966]

Hi Phil, and team and everyone else. Not sure why, but I updated to Engine 3.1 on my used Prime 2, and I have all the new FX, plus smart hot cues, and smart playlists. Am I just lucky??

[@TheSubsiccx]

its for Denon gear --- but not for the Numark Mixstream units --- they dont have the features

[@DjRobEntertainment]

So are stems available in the prime 4 plus before i buy it?

[@digitaldjtips]

No

[@chrisnash4202]

STEMZ got to be!!! 😊 I love my prime 4 but this might make me upgrade.

[@digitaldjtips]

Let's wait and see...

[@DylanW420]

That's my guess, I couldn't find any details about the hardware changes with regards to the CPU and memory they put in the new prime 4 plus, but that would be a good indicator of support for stems.

[@jzea5605]

I reckon it's stems, I interviewed at NI recently. Didn't get the tech lead role but in the interview learnt that even they are working on AI stems.

[@digitaldjtips]

Yeah they have already said it is being worked on in public (NI, that is).

[@b__p]

It's definitely stems. "First-ever standalone stems integrations The original PRIME 4 made creative laptop-free DJing a reality. Now, the PRIME 4+ brings the insane creative power of Stems to a standalone DJ controller for the first time ever! Exclusive to the PRIME 4+, the brand new Stems separation allows you to isolate the vocals or instrumental with the tap of a finger. The power of the multi-core processor of the PRIME 4+ combined with the formidable Engine DJ OS finally makes laptop-free on-board Stems analysis a reality!"

[@stephenrossell8269]

Where did you see this comment

[@b__p]

​​@@stephenrossell8269 The DJ Hookup

[@soundakrobaten]

Videomixing stand-alone with a possibility to have an hdmi output over the usb-c. Would be lovely

[@digitaldjtips]

It would

[@DavidB_AudioTech]

Yes or with WIDI (Wireless display low latency) for video output or karaoke

[@Dj.MaurcioGiugni]

Good Video!!!!, one question: in the denon prime 4+ can it be used in a hybrid way as in the pioneer all-in-one [ i.e. Deck A used in MIDI mode with the computer and Deck B used with a track from the pendrive ] ????

[@digitaldjtips]

No sadly not

[@mika_six]

Hopefully they're using higher quality components in the new one. To have faders break off in 11 months when you dont heavy hand them is ridiculous. Especially when you have to either solder or replace the mixer PCB to fix them.

[@digitaldjtips]

Sorry to hear that

[@tharukkus]

I think the new feature is seamless source transition. The tech could already be built in and just requires a firmware update to activate it.

[@kmyeaa]

sorry, what does "seamless source transition" mean?

[@tharukkus]

@@kmyeaa No problem. What's meant by "seamless source transition" is the ability to go from one source of music to another without disruption or cessation. The XDJ XZ & RX3 are capable of this (ei; go from USB stick to software platform uninterrupted). The Prime 4, which arguably is a better standalone DJ system can't do that. If you're on a USB and want to go to an SD Card or Serato (Computer Mode), the music will stop. That's the one caveat most DJ's have with the Prime 4. Denon claims there's a feature on the Prime 4+ that no other unit (including the Prime 4) possesses. My money is on "seamless source transition".

[@kmyeaa]

@@tharukkus word, no offense but the notion that any sane company would frame that as THE big exciting new feature to sell their new flagship product is fanciful

[@chemonmusic]

The new one looks great. I've always thought denon was great but their gear looks like toys. Not much different to pioneer now. Thanks for the video phil

[@digitaldjtips]

Thanks 👍

[@OhhSlash]

@@djstuc doesnt need to, but the closer it is, the more likely people are to consider switching.

[@chemonmusic]

​ @djstuc No not at all its just a compliment. I use pioneer as an example as it 'industry standard' and typically i'd say most the pioneer gear i've owned has aesthetically looked great. I buy gear for what it can do too first and foremost. And too me aesthetics do play a roll to some degree.

[@chemonmusic]

@djstuc I think this boils down to taste. To clarify & conclude my point. In my mind, Pioneer is my subjective standard for quality and design. The Prime 4+ is on par to what to I like. I think it's a beautiful piece of kit.

[@OhhSlash]

@@djstuc I never said that you chose denon because of how it looked. Im saying that a lot of ppl will not choose denon because they think it looks unprofessional.

[@keithchegwin1222]

What is the best streaming service for a mobile/wedding DJ? Thank you

[@digitaldjtips]

Probably Tidal

[@bornt6win653]

Great review as always😎 waiting for the pioneer xdj xz update to see which 4 chanel stand-alone to go for as the opus quad is very cool but a little different from the traditional club set up

[@digitaldjtips]

You're welcome

[@mikaelcummings9422]

I love this controller and would love to get one but….cross fader section still too busy…nevertheless great work on denons’ part.

[@myronbrown3933]

Hey, thanks for the update/ gouge!

[@digitaldjtips]

No problem!

[@terrypeden6792]

Does the Prime 4 + has STEMs capability?

[@digitaldjtips]

Not now, but...

[@bigdaz7272]

Load up all 4 channels on both machines and see if the Prime+ feels more responsive. If yes then i reckon its got a better CPU inside possibly STEMS ready??

[@digitaldjtips]

We checked with Denon DJ, apparently not.

[@louiemoldy]

I’m guessing either Stems/neural mix or DVS support. I’ll upgrade my Denon SC Live 4 to the prime plus 4 if it has DVS support for my vinyl gear in standalone mode.

[@digitaldjtips]

Lots of people asking for DVS!

[@gadjox]

This thing is beautiful. No need for USB-C on big devices. The bigger plug is more solid and more difficult to disconnect accidentally. The new unit may have a better cpu that does more complex effects and dare we say it.. stems?

[@digitaldjtips]

Apparently.... same CPU (Denon DJ updated us on that).

[@shawnsebastien]

Thanks for this video. I almost ordered the prime 4 then seen the prime 4 plus is coming out so ordered that instead. 🔊

[@digitaldjtips]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@smsproductionsprofessional7960]

Does Amazon Unlimited work with Virtual DJ or Serato in computer mode, or is it only available when using Engine?

[@digitaldjtips]

Only with Engine

[@smsproductionsprofessional7960]

@@digitaldjtips I hate to hear that. I wonder why that is not clearly explained.

[@OldGuyDJTips]

Are the phono pre amps any better… the original ones were lacking …. And the do the FX work with vinyl?

[@digitaldjtips]

We would guess the internals and so those features are exactly the same based on further conversations with Denon DJ.

[@dazza1974]

Sorry if this question has already been asked but are the Amazon tracks already analysed before they are loaded to the decks…?

[@LonkDonk]

No, unless you've previously loaded and analysed them with the same source drive installed/inserted

[@slopiijoe]

Its a nice refresh. I was hoping for motorized platters though... But i guess that trade-off would make it heavier

[@slopiijoe]

Are the platters different from the original prime4?

[@digitaldjtips]

A tiny, tiny bit wider at the top

[@adamtarver]

It better be big. Big enough to justify another 2k controller. Amazon music and Spotify additions won't make people who already have the P4 spend that extra jack to have a P4+. I love the P4 but I'm in the market for full sized tables at this point so they need to step up and do it quickly with something huge to justify that price point for the guys that already have one.

[@digitaldjtips]

Let's hope it's not too long till they announce it then.

[@darrendeep]

Just throwing a curve ball, but where did you get your speaker stands 👌🏾

[@digitaldjtips]

Thomann

[@piurtv]

I was first wondering if it would be something like smooth echo so the Opus Quad would not have any argument anymore to justify it's $1000 more expensive price (at least no argument except pretending that "It's Pioneer so it's better") but more and more people are talking about Stems and that would be a complete game changer for a standalone unit ! But I'd love to be surprised...I'd love Denon to reveal a completely new feature that would made us think "How come nobody thought about that before ?!"...

[@markhispot]

Depending on when you bought the prime 4 the buttons were plastic or rubber I went through 4 of them and had a couple buddy's buy them. None were the same lol

[@digitaldjtips]

Really, that's interesting - thanks for sharing.

[@shiva007freephenix]

Thanks for Video and infos. Does someone knows if with such a high end device there is a physical or software pan, having audio just on the left or the right in real time ? Looks like it is not possible !

[@torpedowarmachine]

Hey Phil! do you know If the Denon Prime 4+ can have two serato laptops connected to it for a back to back gig? I know the Prime 4 was lacking that and really wanted to know if the 4+ can do it like the ddj1000SRT

[@digitaldjtips]

Technically, it is exactly the same as the Prime 4

[@angusdoleman6997]

Nooo I was going to buy a prime 4 tomorrow now this hahah

[@IanDeVos]

Probably stems which requires more computing power the old controllers don't have. Pretty cool for standalones.

[@digitaldjtips]

It would be cool!

[@luperwoman]

Dear Phil thank you for your great job. I’d like to ask you one question, maybe you can have some info from Denon. Stems on prime 4+ are still in beta test and no other info has been revealed concerning the final release date. Following the lounch more then one update has been done but they are still missing. I found the link to download the firmware inside the beta test group but nowadays it is an old release compare to the existing 3.3.0. Do you think is worth the downgrade ? Sorry the question are actually 2. Thank you and best regards

[@digitaldjtips]

No it is not worth the downgrade as the quality is poor

[@DjXCENTRiC]

My prime 4+ comes next week! 🥳

[@digitaldjtips]

Happy days!

[@djkarcher1896]

It would be really cool if the new feature would be stems, however, it's a bit unrealistic, as others have stated before. I kind of like the new, sleeker design, but I also appreciate them not dropping the nuclear green colour scheme, as I quite like it. That being said, I'm still quite happy with my XDJ-RX, but if stems became a thing on standalone units, I might upgrade.

[@digitaldjtips]

Yeah, aesthetics are always going to divide people! I actually prefer to more subtle, new look.

[@rodrojas4236]

My guess is stems, engine dj is the last one without it. And the fact that they updated the P4 sounds like when Pioneer rendered its previews versions "obsolete" with the release of the flex10 stems capable.

[@digitaldjtips]

So the plot thickens, because we asked Denon DJ if the insides have been upgraded, and they told us no!

[@fabriziogirelli1738]

leave Pioneer's stems alone if you take them for example you make a mistake, they are bad

[@fabriziogirelli1738]

@@djstuc what I meant and maybe I explained myself badly that if you want to have stems in real time at the moment you must have a powerful pc, pioneer to make instant steams has released a software that is close to what was VDJ 1.0 for stems . when they come out with a decent version of rekorbox you will see that they will say : if you want real time you must have this configuration, otherwise you prepare them first and batch. I strongly doubt that Denon has put such a powerful processor to be able to make stems in real time with a quality at least equal to that of its current competitors (which work on PCs). then if instead he succeeds, so be it.

[@seanbrennan3472]

I reckon the new Prime 4 + new feature will be first standalone with built in stems separation will have a more powerful processor

[@digitaldjtips]

So we asked Denon DJ, and they actually told us it does NOT have a more powerful processor.

[@brycedevans]

The Prime 4+ is now available for pre-sale on several sites and they are all saying that this is the "First-ever standalone with Stems functionality for real-time vocal and instrument isolation"

[@digitaldjtips]

It seems so!

[@ToddBryantsr]

Denon should make the CPU modular or a upgradable option. This would breathe new life and enthusiasm into the Prime 4 line.

[@digitaldjtips]

I guess the same could go for computer manufacturers...

[@novadjsau]

Are stocks levels going to be matching demand. The prime 4 has been out of stock for nearly 12 months

[@chuckmakesit]

With any luck maybe supply has been an issue because they stopped producing the old units to retool assembly and get a head start on producing the updated model.

[@digitaldjtips]

You'd hope so

[@thomasamos4055]

@digitaldjtips are they getting ready for a Live 4 + ? Starting to see some price reductions there?

[@digitaldjtips]

Ooooh don't know, not heard anything.

[@thomasamos4055]

@@digitaldjtips you have repeatedly said the Live 4 is a home controller. Is there any reason it couldnt be used out, particularly as it looks like a very good Serato controller?

[@Iamsoundofsoul]

I like the bright light on the first prime 4 Who doesn’t like more lights at night?!

[@digitaldjtips]

It is definitely a personal choice!

[@FintanMoloney]

I reckon it will be stems with fairly more advanced features than the others offer.

[@digitaldjtips]

Thanks for sharing your thought, Fintan.

[@mrdrgonzo]

The old one looked like the Roland Aira stuff which also looks crap, nice update. Wonder if anyone could offer a service to change the leds on the old one for the no so savvy

[@digitaldjtips]

Never realised that, but yes, it did!

[@pappasand]

I have the SC Live 4, the new Prime 4 Plus look very similar. I am curious if the mystery feature will also be made available in the SC Live 4?

[@digitaldjtips]

Watch our coverage later today on this question

[@jaysonroper0989]

Beginner torn between this and the xdj rx3… HELP PLEASE🤨🤨. So many things to consider, going crazy

[@ovidiuss31]

prime 4 uses rk3288 32bit chip ARM cortex A17 year 2015 chip, prime4+ uses MediaTek MT8696 processor 2021 chip which is mainly used inside FireTV sticks media players

[@edwardferry8247]

So many manufacturers doing a plus version of their existing hardware. It seems to be a marketing tool that fits perfectly with the You Tube space in order to get their products back into consciousness whilst doing the smallest amount of work possible. Buy a Prime 4 thus they shift stagnating stock, buy a plus possibly attracting new users. A Prime 5 would kill the 4 which isn’t the idea at all.

[@fabriziogirelli1738]

Is sc live 4 ready to full next update?

[@hp4adz533]

Can’t believe they haven’t made the jog wheels bigger

[@digitaldjtips]

They are a TINY bit bigger at the top

[@brandonsealey4511]

@@djstuc Speak for yourself, I couldn't stand the jogs on the Prime 4....they are basically Numark Platinum FX jogs.

[@P4boot]

I am bothered lol Jogs that small at that price is an atrocity.

[@brandonsealey4511]

@@djstuc I own a prime 4 and a DDJ 1000SRT. Guess which one would sell immediately on the open market and which one would take a while? CDJ mechanical jogs are the best non moving platters on the market….the best selling controller on the market did so on the back of this fact.

[@copeyhagen4249]

standalone stems splicing incoming

[@diogosimoes9066]

Stems on the software like x-y pad fx?

[@digitaldjtips]

Maybe!

[@mode7beats]

My guess is stand-alone stems processing, done in-hardware, so you can separate tracks from a usb stick or from an external input. Like imagine putting on an analog vinyl record and being able to solo the drums🤯

[@digitaldjtips]

It would be cool!

[@fabriziogirelli1738]

uhm I see it hard in real time, either they found the pigeon's egg, or they put a very powerful processor, or I don't think they will be in real time, understood that I expect them as good as those of VDj or Serato, but I also hope Better

[@theshillpill6937]

Looks like you’re right

[@mode7beats]

@@theshillpill6937 Only partially though, I think:) I don't think the stems processing is in the hardware/capable of separating an external(non digital) source. We're probably a ways away from that still. But I like to dream...

[@OfficalMrBlue]

Can you get Spotify songs on either platform now?

[@digitaldjtips]

Not sure what you mean by "Spotify songs"

[@samroller5788]

Can I replace this crossfader if I do not like the feel of the default one?

[@digitaldjtips]

Don't think so

[@andresgarces10]

Do you think this is an upgrade from XDJ-XZ?

[@digitaldjtips]

In many ways, yes

[@brycedevans]

Any ETA on when this will be available?

[@digitaldjtips]

End of June

[@papadillobillo]

Spotify and Stems… what else is there? Maybe some sort of sequencer???

[@digitaldjtips]

Spotify would be cool

[@svetlero]

It will be the stems I'm almost 100% sure, but I also think they'll implement that within the engine and it most likely will be available on the prime 4 too

[@digitaldjtips]

We think they may be having second thoughts about this as it is hard to get stems sounding good with limited processor power.

[@AbhishekArghaGanguly]

Where to buy???

[@AlexVegasUK]

Such a good upgrade aesthetics wise

[@digitaldjtips]

We agree it looks really nice

[@mch1980]

It is stems. The iDJNow equipment store just sent an email about it.

[@OscarInOrlando]

The brand new Denon Prime 4+ with an exciting new feature of real time STEMs separation, which I can't talk about yet.

[@digitaldjtips]

🤣

[@OscarInOrlando]

@@digitaldjtips Now, I can talk about it 😄

[@davidnutter1895]

It’s isolation of the different track elements ( stems )

[@drwayyyne]

Does the screen have a higher resolution on the 4+?

[@digitaldjtips]

no

[@tekk9995]

Love the UKR peace sign!

[@djdive_]

The newmark mixstream pro go have the touch fx but they only have 4 options for fx. My Sc5000s have more than 4 touch effects opinions, like 9.

[@digitaldjtips]

Yes, the Denons have more in-depth FX than the Numark units.

[@ILiveinMyTruck]

denon literature says native stems on board the prime 4+ will come in future Engine OS

[@digitaldjtips]

Cool!

[@inigofernandezgarcia]

Do you know if Denon is working in Prime Go+ or Go2?

[@digitaldjtips]

No, we do not