DF Direct Weekly

[@Fallens218]

A big reason why esports players like smaller monitors is that your eyes dont have to travel as far to see on different areas of the screen. Like going from minimap to your crosshair is so much easier on a smaller monitor

[@thedude8128]

Yup. 1080p/+240hz/24"-28" is the most common e sports displays Turning your head causes a delay in hand-eye reaction times

[@roz1281]

I do better at platformers on smaller displays. I switched from 42" tv to 23" monitor and beat spelunky

[@puffyips]

27in is the max I can go for competitive fps games but at that size it allows for 1440p oled which is 100% worth it

[@MGsubbie]

@@thedude8128 I don't need to turn my head on a 27" monitor, just my eyes.

[@pondwhale]

@@MGsubbie depends on how far you are from the display. regardless of the size, if you need to move your head to see the edges of the display, youre too close

[@rafab2526]

WE need a FF16 PS5PRO PATCH

[@f.9344]

DAMN RIGHT!!!!!!! I would even vote for you.

[@DimitriMoreira]

Desperately!!!

[@FC-jd1ck]

We need a patch on PS5 that improves the performance mode to an acceptable level.

[@hungergames7]

Dem ye. Is game graphics 1080p😢

[@f.9344]

@rafab2526 Oh, BTW. It's running absolutely flawless on my PC with the new Ryzen 9800x3d. But my GPU( RTX3080) struggles a bit at 4k to hold 60fps. DLSS balanced gives me 50-60fps at max settings. However, with VRR its fine! So since I wont buy the Ps5 Pro due to its high price, I am now enjoying it on PC with even better graphics atm :D Now I can enjoy the emotional damage asecond time, but now with better framerate and graphics.

[@Eternalduoae]

"Post PS5 Pro clarity" a new catchphrase is born!

[@wizardry-y3q]

PS5 Poo clarity

[@Thai101full]

Timestamp ?

[@ReachTea]

Post Timeline of the PlayStation Five Professional visualised within clarity mode.

[@DavideDavini]

@@ReachTeaI’d say PlayStation Professional version 5. But that’s just me probably.

[@Eternalduoae]

@@Thai101full It's the first sentence of the description!

[@BlindTrustProject]

As a game tech artist, seeing Sonic Generations on switch running at 31.5 fps while the game can run 60 on vanilla hardware is true nightmare stuff. Man... Yuji Naka must have sweat blood to get the first Sonic that speed on Megadrive... And now they do this! Mind blowing.

[@hurgcat]

that's the segasammy magic at work

[@Ben-do1bf]

And yet still not the most stressful thing to come from Yuji Naka's career choices :)

[@xtr.7662]

It cant hit 60fps did you even watch the video its using the handheld resolution setup with docked clock speeds

[@Masa-san]

​@@xtr.7662So just add performance mode. Quality mode = 1080p30 Performance mode = 720p60 And everybody is happy

[@alihouadef5539]

Is it just me or does John's and Alex's hair have more tessellations this episode?!

[@xenotone3284]

DF Direct got a Professional patch

[@MrStrangermoon]

nothing compared Tom hairworks.

[@adamuser8246]

only at 4x zoom

[@kwakes212]

Might be the raytraced shadows

[@Dezzyyx]

i saw some fizzle in the hair

[@Ar2_Dee2]

Why are you guys so sad in the thumbnail ?😂

[@MrWizardGG]

A fart pervaded their call

[@butchdeadlift7551]

Six hundred and ninety-nine US dollars.

[@anon3631]

Once you grow up, you will understand.

[@dragonlotion1789]

Looks like they are standing over the body of someone John just beat down.

[@sergeesteves]

ps5 pro is so disappointing i guess !

[@pensologohesito]

The funniest part of Death Stranding on Xbox is when you play through the game, you unlock some extras, one being the soundtrack of God of War.

[@Olie986]

Do we know if that is still the case on the Xbox version?

[@pensologohesito]

@ that is what I said bro. I was playing through the game and I did unlock it. On Xbox.

[@neilwilson5785]

I just got this on Series/s - it plays really, really, well. Not on GamePass but it is only £17 in the sale.

[@Gary-kn6wb]

Booted up on Xbox and it also say "Sony Interactive Studios" lol

[@miguelroman4294]

John n Alex sporting the Ray traced hair instead of the hair cards! See guy's there is 45% more performance on the PRO! 😁✌️

[@AStiffBreeze]

John’s glasses always look like they’re being held against their will 🤣 Love your work guys, your PS5 Pro coverage is the best out there 🫡

[@adamuser8246]

He's dropping frames, for sure......lol

[@vgnvideogameninja2930]

I think John thinks it makes him look smart when he pushes them up. Like when he thinks he comes up with some brilliant angle or comment, he pushes them up for emphasis. It's really funny, because they always look like they're in the exact same position and aren't actually slipping down at all.

[@ckling217]

Isn't it a shame that Digital Foundry's coverage of PS5 Pro games is better than Playstation's own coverage?!

[@vjmtz]

@@vgnvideogameninja2930 In all honesty...he just needs to get the right size frames, the bridge and arms are likely too big for him

[@V3NOMOUS22]

If you came for the "bi and large", then the 29:33 mark will satiate your desires. Thank you Rich

[@tom3fitzgerald]

I'm waiting for a solid "here and now" 😢

[@Dev_Astral]

I’m one of the lucky one’s because I always look for a “right?” from John, which he always delivers in spades, and always high quality.

[@bombjack1984]

I guess you meant 'by and large'? 'Bi and large' means something else...

[@itsameyoshio]

I was here for a YeeEEEESSsssSS Rich! but sadly Oliver is not here today.

[@TheSurfheart]

NMS on the PSVR2 with the Pro is transformative I would say, shame everyone seems to have forgotten about it including Sony.

[@FerPer-z1v]

Nintendo are saying keep buying games, you don't need to wait. I'm guessing game sales have dropped a little coming up to Christmas.

[@Tusrista]

They are trying to milk the winter holiday season one more time. That's why we have not heard anything on the new system.

[@Crashed131963]

Look at 90% of the new game releases and upcoming games ,like Dragon Age, Star War Outlaw they all play on PC, S-X and Ps5. You never seen the name Switch in there .

[@KalElinabox]

​@Crashed131963 I haven't touched my switch in months. Between the switch tax and the low frame rate, I'd rather game on any other system.

[@RealJeffTidwell]

@@KalElinabox You're not going to love the framerate, but Echoes of Wisdom is worth dusting off the ol' Switch IMO.

[@KalElinabox]

@@RealJeffTidwell I'll pay for it when it goes on sale, which is never. I'm not paying full price for nostalgia bait. I didn't think totk or botw were flawless and I'm not old enough to be nostalgic for the series.

[@jdgonzo1982]

8:20 - One of the best rants ever...the slapping a photo of your grandma bit was top shelf...thanks John, you made me choke on my dinner with laughter :)

[@nunocampos1805]

Would love for Knack 1 and 2 to receive a Pro update. Make them run in 8k.

[@Shieftain]

KNACK 2, BAYBEE!

[@_TheElMan]

Do it you cowards!!!

[@iHeartAMP]

Nah

[@solid_justice5855]

they don't even have a ps5 upgrade though

[@vanman266]

Im very happy with Switch backwards compatibility confirmed. Many of us have a big libraries now.

[@MurCurieux]

Waiting to play TOTK on a capable system. I can’t play 30 frames anymore :(

[@thatzaliasguy]

​​​​@@MurCurieuxcan emulate it on PC at 4k 60fps lol. Can even use Switch controllers on PC too.

[@helloguy8934]

​@@thatzaliasguywith atsc stutter

[@weirdscix]

The Death Stranding Xbox release, is play anywhere as well. So you get both PC and Xbox for that price.

[@steel5897]

Yeah but that requires you to use the non-functional Xbox Microsoft Store app. Might as well as not be an option for me.

[@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357]

@@steel5897 works perfectly fine for me.

[@ckling217]

​@steel5897 I have not had a problem running any of my Play Anywhere games on my ROG Ally.

[@ckling217]

​@steel5897 I haven't had a problem running any of my Play Anywhere games on my ROG Ally.

[@MrWizardGG]

Can you just say you dont like it instead of prtending its non functional? ​@@steel5897

[@thanksbetotap]

More coverage of PS5 Pro game patches please!

[@xTaimaX]

Yes!

[@davidpelaez7176]

Yes please, without DF i have no idea what games im supposed to enjoy more on my ps5 pro

[@skyfernandes8610]

I think some of the patches are still coming up

[@gerboog]

no bro, just save your money and dont get it. wait for the ps6.

[@Patrick-tw7nr]

@@gerboogwhy? If people want to spend their money on PS5 Pro let them. Don’t need your opinion

[@EeekiE]

It looks like John’s glasses reflection are downgraded to cube-maps this episode. Hopefully just a glitch and we’re back to ray traced reflections for next time.

[@davidpliskin3330]

DF please reach out to the Alan Wake 2 developers and let them know fans would prefer the original PS5 profile at a more stable 60 then the Pro patch we got.

[@AndreThompson925]

Video games have been and will continue to be a necessary distraction from all the craziness in life. Big thanks to Digital Foundry for being awesome.

[@Bolkiebasher]

So nice to read positive posts in social media. 👍

[@masti733]

I remember people used to say the human eye cannot perceive over 60fps, I assume this was just incorrect. I have a new 4070 laptop with a 144hz screen. So this is the first time trying over 60fps gaming. I'm not totally sure I can see the difference, but it does make a difference to the fluidity of the controls and is a big deal. Saying that I am locking games to 72fps for consistent frame pacing and to maximise the lifespan of my laptop by keeping heat down. EDIT: i totally get that I am behind the times with all this stuff.

[@PositronCannon]

You don't have to assume, it is completely incorrect, as with any such statement. We don't even see in "frames" to begin with, and even if you quantified it that way, the number would still be far higher than 60 (and vary greatly depending on the person). For me personally, framerates above 60 are "nice" in terms of visual fluidity, and I do aim for 90-120 fps when possible (or even up to my display's 165 Hz for very non-demanding games because might as well), but 60 is still a comfortable point where movement already feels fluid enough, so I have no problem running more demanding games at that framerate. It does feel a bit off if I've been playing a lot of 120+ stuff right before, but that goes away quickly (unlike 30 fps which simply does not feel smooth enough for me regardless of how long I play, it always remains distracting).

[@masti733]

@PositronCannon For sure. Years ago. Maybe like 15-20 years ago, there was an argument that the human eye cannot, shall I say, perceive over 60fps. Back then, it wasn't common at all to have these super high frame rates. This is my first experience with a display that can handle over 60fps. I agree that 60 fps is fine. It looks smooth and plays well and was always the aim back in the day. Perhaps my eye I can notice a slight increase in smoothness above it. However, I can definitely feel the fluidity in the controls though. Its just a joy to control. I did fire up doom eternal and can run that at 144fps and it is certainly quite glorious!

[@minners71]

Would have been nice to see what the VR mode is like in No Mans Sky?

Responding to Supporter Q7: Would these more in depth unboxings be a Physical Foundry video?

[@g2jxGhF5G8z1gL7S]

1:07:00 The PS1 (in NTSC regions, at least) had dozens of games that ran at 60 fps. Every GameCube game I owned ran at a beautiful locked in 60 fps. Today, 30 fps limitations are about providing a consistent experience from a console branding perspective, while also facilitating corner cutting and reducing dev costs spent optimizing software. It's about lowering the target to a more, MVP-software-friendly level. It's been 60 fps or nothing for me since the late 90s lol.

[@pboogity8309]

31:53 as a genuine baseball fan, this is a totally fair take on going to a baseball game

[@Arcona]

In the here and now. Bespoke. Exclamation Point. Feel free to expand. Also K6, K6-2, and K6-III were awesome. You were getting way better perf than similarly priced intel chips. P2's that were faster cost significantly more.

[@MrWizardGG]

Let's lay off them this vid maybe

[@RealJeffTidwell]

PS5 Professional.

[@gangganggang2219]

Oh I'm expanding alright

[@Foobber]

Alex: "...too....as well"

[@Arcona]

@@MrWizardGG Are you insane? Lets lay off food and all starve.

[@densetsu4286]

DLSS is what 6yrs old. PSSR just released. Not even a month old. And its already far better than FSR 3.1 and is close to DLSS. PSSR is way better than DLSS 1.0, 2.0 and is on the heels of 3.0. In fact probably better than 3.0 but not as good as DLSS 3.5 Not bad for a just released product going up against a 6yr old product. Remember we are essentially comparing PSSR version 1.0 vs DLSS version 3.5-3.7. PSSR a very solid AI upscaler.

[@band0lero]

I’d argue DLSS hasn’t evolved as much from 2.5 onwards. It’s more that they developed a lot of different solutions for different implementations rather than it flat improving on all fronts. Same will happen with PSSR, but I wouldn’t hold my breath to an upgrade as big as DLSS 1.0 to current, not by a long shot.

[@alexlyster3459]

​@band0lero I thought 3.0 was the last big jump for DLSS?

[@xBINARYGODx]

yes, but DLSS was first out of the gate, others get to benefit from the all the information out there, and PSSR is already something of a fork.

[@densetsu4286]

@xBINARYGODx wow... nothing could have been more wrong. You really thing Nvidia is sharing their hardworking with others? Pfft lol no sweet summer child just no. Dlss, fsr, xess, pssr and what ever MS decides to use are all proprietary and do not get access to any of the other systems. My god... And let's say even if they did that doesn't mean they are going to be issue free or up to the level of their competitors. You couldn't have been more wrong if you tried here my dude. And again all of this is proprietary to the companies that own them. None of them are shareware. None of them give access to anyone else. Nobody has access to dlss to make a direct competitor to dlss. That would be the world's dumbest thing Nvidia could have done. Sony and AMD might have a contract in place where AMD might be able to use PSSR's model for helping with fsr4 and maybe the same with sony from amd but that's highly doubtful.

[@Teste-gp7bm]

Both SD and microSD have standards for extra pins that enable UHS II and faster modes. So, 200MB/s+ vs 30MB/s from even some years ago. They are still backwards compatible and most issues with that have been from capacity incompatibilities with SDHC and SDXC. Usually if you can patch the OS/firmware even those limitations don't exist anymore.

[@Crackalacking_Z]

You don't need cross saves for a NMS comparison, just use one of the Expeditions, it's a curated instance and all players start in the same place!

[@parasolo89]

9800X3D is the cpu i've been waiting for to make that huge leap in game performance.

[@chilldude30]

I'm considering it. Turn my am4 based 5800x3d (best CPU I've owned since my 2600k in 2011) and 3080 into my downstairs couch gaming PC (and ps5 pro killer;) and built a new X3D AM5 based desktop PC office/gaming.

[@chilldude30]

Then again, I'm so happy with my 5800x3d and 3080 that I might hold out one more generation of GPUs/CPUs

[@SPG8989]

I went from 13700k to it. Idk why, not like it will stop all these games from stuttering. If it doesn't get better by 5090 I definitely won't upgrade my 4090

[@HiCZoK]

When I had 240hz tn monitor, with doom 2016, disabling motion blur looked like motion blur with 60hz. natural motion blur happens around 240hz apparently

[@Anywaays]

I just started up God of War Ragnarok on my Pro again and it definitely looks super clear and I just noticed they added Kratos’ classic skin 😂

[@David-nq8cv]

They added that skin last year

[@Anywaays]

@ I know I searched it up after I saw it but my mind was blown when I clicked R3 and the skin just changed

[@manuel0578]

I cannot find a single unboxing of the 30th anniversary consoles on KZbin. Which is a good thing actually because it seems the products actually went to regular folks instead of KZbinrs.

[@cyber-gonk5281]

Hey guys! Just gotta say that your weekly show always lifts me up! I just love seeing you interact with each other and the genuine camaraderie you share! Keep it up!

[@Glaydable]

There's the possibilty for the Nintendo switch successor might support the old cartridges with an external card reader. Might make it easier than supporting both types of cartridges.

[@Wobbothe3rd]

1:29:21 is an excellent question, and I agree with the questioner - ESPECIALLY as the GPU takes over the fundamental physics and logic of games in general, but even if that work remains on the CPU the hypothesis could still be correct. "Native framerate" should and eventually will become meaningless, imo, perhaps even moreso than "native resolution" already is today John Carmack actually directly suggested exactly this in his 2020 "Facebook Connect" talk introducing the Quest 2. His words were "I'd like to make a pitch to game developers to consider possibly architecting" games with completely decoupled simulation: "the way games are structured right now is you start your game frame you say 'whats my predicted display time' you ask the vr system for that and it tells you that 'whatever you do now I am going to wind up showing you [in] 48 milliseconds in the future' ... Instead you could be simulating things at an arbitrarily high rate... we deliver a thousand unique imu samples per second, it would be possible to do some very precise positioning, but you would have to structure your game so that whats rendered is not just whats most recently simulated..." Important to note that modern Quest VR headsets already do frame extrapolation, not just asynchronous time warp (rotating the 3d view to the exact most recent polled head roation), but also asynchronous space warp (actually updating the 3d view to the most recent head *position*). Both of these techniques rely on primitive post processing on relatively low power GPUs, and are not necessarily integrated into the actual game engine. One could easily imagine both driver-level and/or engine-level integration to be far more sophisticated! At a 2022 High Performance Graphics presentation "Real Time Pathtracing and Beyond", Principal Research Scientist at Nvidia Petrik Clarberg suggested that it may be time for "Fully frameless rendering", where the "denoiser and image generation pipeline runs entirely decoupled from the sample generation. So you could imagine running the denoiser at a fixed framerate ... and everytime it needs to generate an image it takes the currently available samples... in that scenario the path tracer could run asynchronously to add, remove, and/or update as many samples as it can..." I think this might be a great opportunity for Nvidia with a future GPU feature, perhaps a new subset of DLSS!

[@edragyz8596]

1:21:00 I get why you talk about silicon cost, but not space concerns. The cache goes under the CPU now, so it takes no extra space.

[@josuebenjaminhernandez9461]

Just some little trivia about SONY's first party engines on Xbox, the first one most surely was Phyre Engine which SONY developed for indies and was used in varios third party games between 2005 and 2018, one notable release of third party with that engine was UNRAVEL from EA and released on Xbox consoles too with that engine. Edit: looking a list of Phyre Engine games... Some big projects appear: Dark Souls being the most important of them 😅

[@mytholostica7634]

Johns review of the Sony Inzone 480Hz just made it an instant classic monitor, IMHO.

[@steveybiggunzgaming8118]

John overclocking on the n3ds also freezes sonic Allstars racing took me forever to figure out it was the overclock causing the issue

[@Silvar55x]

I *do* enjoy a final question in a more lighthearted vein / downright silly. The banter leaves me in a good mood afterwards.

[@dolan_plz]

That 8K footage of No Man's Sky looks fantastic. I know it's basically downsampled to 4K in this video but the granular detail looks phenomenal. There's no aliasing and far distant objects are resolved without blur or artifacting. Anyone who says 8K is pointless doesn't know what he's talking about.

[@EricDFreak]

its not poitless but the power needed makes it not to make much sense

[@dolan_plz]

​@@EricDFreak I get that but I keep reading ignorant comments like "you can't tell the difference, it's pointless, not necessary"; and it's the same story I kept hearing about 4K in circa 2013 so let's just give it a chance. I feel like people are allergic to progress because they can't afford it in the here and now (I can't afford it either). But that doesn't mean it's not interesting and clear upgrade from 4K. 🤷‍♂

[@xnitropunkx]

@@dolan_plz Its FOMO people want to tell themselves the new tech is pointless so they do not have to spend anything to upgrade. Agree with your opinion on the matter

[@AnEyeRacky]

​@@dolan_plz I totally agree with you about that part specifically, "you can't tell the difference" You absolutely can. I swear these people are still gaming on budget hardware and just feel the need to justify it. You can even take older games and render them at 8k or above and downsample it to 4k and see IMMEDIATE differences then native 4k. Go do it with a game like Red Dead 2, it's old enough that it doesn't require a nasa computer system lol The difference is clear to anyone with 2 working eyes unless you are standing outside, staring through the window, looking at your neighbors tv while he games in 8k haha

[@paulyboy29]

i mean ya but why stop there, clearly 12k is the future, i mean theres basically no aliasing

[@BoomTag]

An APU with 3D v-cache would be sick for a steamdeck 2!

[@crobinson2624]

Over 1.3 billion pieces of Nintendo switch software have been purchased by switch owners of course they want their games to be backwards compatible with switch 2 and of course Nintendo is going to make it so. The question is will backwards compatibility also come with visual enhancements and frame rate enhancements.?

[@TrieuDuongLuu]

I think they can make backward compat game run in dock mode in new switch handheld, with more GPU power 720 and 900p DRS game will look good in small screen, wonder what they do for Switch 2 dock mode those.

[@Mahboishk]

I wouldn't count on enhancements. Nintendo has a history of the opposite: they've always gone out of their way to downclock back compat to match the older console. Maybe that'll change this time but it would be a first.

[@crobinson2624]

@ 🤞🤞

[@jeywhistle]

We need KZbin to show at least 120 fps ...

[@SD-vp5vo]

nah, useless waste of bandwidth

[@jamesoloughlin]

I wish the Sony Inzone monitor was 4K 27-32", I’ll take a lower refresh rate. That would be a different product I know, but yes, monitor aesthetics are important to me.

[@techsamurai11]

The packaging discussion - comedy gold😂😂😂 Love how Richard tore it apart like Hulk!

[@robarmstrong5404]

Still hoping we can get more insight on the Batman VR game. I'm just floored how this runs on mobile looking this good at a high fps. Even the Metro VR game is fascinating on mobile. It usually spacewarp to double the fps and it actually feels smooth.

[@Demmrir]

It makes sense though. The Metro VR game doesn't even have real time shadows, it's fully baked. Effectively it's a very basic engine just with sharp PBR textures. HL Alyx did a lot of the same, although it had a clever solution for real time shadows.

[@dreamcorridor]

For the record, you can still use the original Favor Performance option in God of War Ragnarok with TAA and 0 Motion Blur to basically get 110 - 120 FPS all the time.

[@bab027]

Still don’t understand why we can’t have RT for Ragnarok on PC…

[@Aid3nn33]

because console gamers are 1st class citizens for Sony and PC beggars don't matter

[@Raigeki-SC]

Because it’s a ps4 game and those are not built using RT and they sure are not going to add it for some small sells lol it’s a lot of work

[@sgtchronos8086]

I guess they would have to redo the whole lightning system

[@7PlayingWithFire7]

​@@Raigeki-SC it had no RT on ps5?

[@toasterdogg]

People are replying to this comment despite knowing literally nothing about the topic @Raigeki-SC The game HAS RT Corrected cubemaps on PS5. The PC version is based on the PS5 version of the game and should as such feature these RT corrected cubemaps, but it does not. @sgtchronos8086 No, the game already has RT corrected cubemaps on PS5, all they would have to do is port that system to PC as well. @7PlayingWithFire7 God of War Ragnarök, as stated above, has RT corrected cubemaps on PS5. Alex and John literally discuss it in this video.

[@WWE2K22-WomensWrestling]

Hi DF team. You were discussing 1440p in God of War around the 9 to 10minute mark. Its not God of War, but I can confirm Elden Ring definately does resolution scale below 1440p on PS5. As such, I chose to set my PS5 to 1080p to play Elden Ring to improve performance and eliminate dynamic resolution downscaling. I know this because I also tried setting my PS5 to 1440p and was still noticing peformance drops and downscaling.

[@oj2416]

49:58 what game it is?

[@Gman2002]

I like the music at the end when they were closing out the segment. 👍🏾

[@hyperfocus4866]

A Noob question here... Q. Has Alex's wonky shelf been blured purposely because of his inability to use a decent enough anti-aliasing solution?

[@retrovideogamejunkie]

How do you make that lg tv menu actually tell the fps and no just 120?

[@Da-iken]

The Switch is probably my favorite console. These small Cartridges are a really nice way to have physical games. Doesn´t take too much space and the best... no noise. I really prefer games on the Switch if graphics are not very important, especially JRPGs or Indie Games. If the Switch II gives me enough power to get good garphics at 1080p and upscaled to 4k on a TV, i will pick even more games for the Switch II over my PS5. I also like the way lower price for just online gaming. Games not that expensive anymore on Switch, hope they stay with 59,99 and 49,99 with physical copies. Some are 69,99, but they drop fast... But i also hope, they will add something like Miiverse or other stuff to make it more to a community experience.

[@neilwilson5785]

Happy 188th edition. The sides and diagonals of a regular dodecagon form 188 equilateral triangles. What can I say!

[@AgtX999]

I bought a PS5 Professor & bought the disc drive for it, I can confirm that it looks stupid stood horizontally with the disc drive on, it looks like it melted or got damaged in the post.

[@mwfcod0932]

lol… but that’s without the stand right?

[@AgtX999]

@@mwfcod0932 yes..

[@FSAPOJake]

Sony said UP TO 45% improvement for the PS5 Pro's GPU, not 45% on average. The game boost results we see here are expected.

[@EdoXTensei]

Up to in 1 or 2 games, and vast majority of others like 5-10% or lower performance due to pushing resolution and setting too high, over the Pro capabilities.

[@RandomGamingMoments925]

​@@EdoXTensei Vast majority with lower numbers? I'd love to see these games. Almost every game I've seen on Pro is smoother and sharper at the same time than the base unit. Many others have the same experience.

[@SuadBektic]

I saw like 10% improvement in resolution for Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered, but also 10% decrease in FPS. I was like wtf is goin on here. But then I tested Warzone, and this one was like much sharper it felt like it was 50% sharper. I was wondering why a game that got PS5-Pro patch has less improvements than a game that didnt.

[@Crashed131963]

Not getting 45% improvement when the CPU did not change .

[@SuadBektic]

@@Crashed131963 You are right, but it depends on the game. I think they should have overclocked it at least 30% like they did with PS4 Pro.

[@fenixa2z936]

The PS5 Pro performance mode on Elden Ring runs great with VRR enabled, the Quality not so much. I used to play the PS4 Pro version on PS5, now that was flawless 60fps but with lower foliage settings and visuals. There’s just so many games I want them to cover. 😅😢

[@thatonefoofrumlongbe]

You see I see this a lot. You said the unpatched version of ER is great, but it's hitting 50 fps , and it's nowhere consistent to hitting 60 fps. You're calling that great. That's an exaggeration and I see people say that so much over a couple of extra frames which are notable. 60 fps 95% of the time would be considered Great. Otherwise the word means nothing if you devalue it's meaning. Yes I'm not happy that gamers think that's good enough. Nobody is critical about that.

[@Alcatraz760]

1:40:48 If we're going to be packaging enthusiasts, I can confirm south east asia got that style of box without the outer sleeve all the way back since original PS5, where there is no outer sleeve, instead the white box that you guys have is now the outer box itself, and its directly printed on it.

[@benbaer3525]

Df direct direct on Monday, things are right In the world again

[@leopalmer86]

Any old skool style DF Retro videos in the works?

[@joed8025]

Will we see more 40fps modes for PS5 pro?

[@dannyCoolSwag]

Fuck no ps5 pro is king

[@MichaelLudden]

TLOUP1 is free on PS Plus and has a Pro mode added. I’ve been playing it on Pro & would love specific coverage about this, even if brief!

[@OG_Daz]

No need for coverage. Just play it in the pro mode. You are getting quality mode but at double the frame rate

[@bigde131]

@@OG_Daznah something has for sure been done to it. These videos are very needed. Horizon Remaster was said not to even get a pro patch yet it LEGIT looks better than forbidden west in some areas. My mom thought ALOY was a real person when she saw me playing.

[@OG_Daz]

@@bigde131 Horizon remaster does have a full pro patch, I’m playing it now. Check the display mode options. HZD remaster and forbidden west look graphically outstanding now. Hard to believe they are running on a $700 console

[@bigde131]

@@OG_Daz yep I looked it up and that’s right haha. I was mistaken. It makes sense because that games actually looks incredible. I legit played it for about 7 hours straight then went to go get Wingstop. Real life legit looked worse than the game lol. First time that’s ever happened for me. The devs cooked for these games

[@ckling217]

So, let me get this right, when you are upscaling from a higher base resolution, you get better results? Hmm. Who would've thought!

[@steel5897]

Yes but the relation is not linear, it starts out exponential then plateaus and hits diminishing returns after a certain point. It gets even more complicated when you factor in screen sizes and viewing distances into those diminishing returns.

[@apollosungod2819]

The only way Richard would begin to appreciate the whole unboxing process is if he had watched another retro channel from the U.K. that was lucky enough to find an unsold near launch year Sega MegaDrive from the U.K. and he purchased it and holy crap you'd swear you could taste the aroma of the sealed box because it was in mint condition, everything, including the cords and paperwork and again this was at least a year 1990 Sega MegaDrive PAL region core system and it was so mint that it even made me appreciate more the unboxing process.

[@AltCutTV]

Were boxes ever actually sealed back then? I sure can't remember that for anything between NES to PS1. PS2 may have been the first. In any case, I did find a NOS MegaDrive 2 not that long ago, but sadly the new box smell was long evaporated. Some lingerings in the instructions bag though. ;)

[@apollosungod2819]

@@AltCutTV Speaking from North America the NES system was relatively sealed so when you first opened it, you could tell you were the first person opening it since it was packed in the factory... same goes for Sega Genesis, Super Nintendo, Sony PlayStation, NEC Turbo Duo, Nintendo 64, Sega Saturn, etc... I was speaking to Richard and the thing is nowadays most people can take the package for granted... that said I do feel that the way Sony packs the PS4 Pro and PS5 and PS5 Pro is very sensitive but would you believe some people would actually tear the old Sega Genesis and NES and even Super Nintendo boxes like they did not know how to open them when they first opened them.

[@ianperesmusic]

It truly is a tragedy that Concord's PS5 Pro patch will never be fully realised

[@MikeFraley-w7k]

Is it?

[@ianperesmusic]

@@MikeFraley-w7kuh, no I was being sarcastic 😂

[@MikeFraley-w7k]

@@ianperesmusic Well played!

[@ChicagoBulls1984]

12:45 Did they just say that PSSR on PS5 Pro adds 2ms of input lag?! Wish I didn't hear that part and kept walkin' by

[@yomamasohot6411]

Frame gen adds input lag. PSSR is an upscaler. It has a performance cost on the GPU like any other upscaler(DLSS,FSR,XLSS). READ UP!

[@mikemanau]

But still no 60fps Bloodborne. 😭

[@sonyponymark]

I have 120fps bloodborne on pc

[@jericoba]

Don't hold your breath.

[@OmegaPhattyAcid]

John brought up what I've been thinking about DLSS 3 (since launch 2022) becoming a killer feature for ultra-high refresh. I've tested it on a 165Hz 4K monitor (Samsung Odyssey Neo G7 Mini-LED) and I definitely notice it's there in high-motion games such as from the 1st person camera perspective. There's a clear difference when I tested around 90, then 120, and 165Hz. It feels much better when I'm getting a consistent 165Hz. For something like 480Hz, and on an OLED, where the threshold for real rendered frames is much higher, I could see it being imperceivable. The latency probably isn't an issue anymore and any inaccurate generated frames probably just aren't perceivable at that point. That monitor is probably more worthwhile than 4K 165Hz if you plan to use tech like DLSS 3 versus native rendered frames. And it would be worth it based on my experience playing on some 1440p 240Hz OLEDs as well.

[@SITSIndustries]

58:41 My cat: challenge accepted.

[@AFistfulofXanax]

There's an upcoming portable storage format coming called "SD Express" which should be perfect for Switch 2's relatively modest bandwidth requirements, both as a derivative form factor to be used in game cartridges and as generic external storage media. Remember they're not going to be using ultra high quality assets, so they won't have crazy high bandwidth requirements. SD Express is currently planned to top out at 600 MB/s, and this is plenty to deliver a generational leap in loading performance. I suspect SD Express will probably also be adopted for future PC handhelds like Steam Deck 2. By my own testing, Steam Deck-tier hardware (comparable to Switch 2 leaked specs) is limited by CPU processing speed once you go above even a couple hundred megabytes per second, though admittedly this is without the benefit of discrete storage/decompression acceleration hardware which will likely be present in any hardware going forward. There's even a fair (IMO) argument to be made that Switch 2 might have been delayed as long as it has in large part to better cost-optimize this critical new storage format; Nintendo probably isn't blind to the harm high Memory Stick prices caused to PS Vita.

[@Crashed131963]

My Ps5 Armature came with a disc drive built in for $500. It plays my $15 bargain bin used disc of God Of War Ragnarök beautifully at 60fps .

[@sithhunter965]

just say ur poor.

[@MurCurieux]

@@sithhunter965LOL

[@Crashed131963]

@@sithhunter965 Rich people play at 4k/100 fps with full on Ray Tracing on a$3000 PCs Not on $700 console playing at 4k/30 with very light RT

[@Goji2428]

@@Crashed131963not if those rich people prefer playing games on consoles on their $2000+ dollar TVs

[@Patrick-y4d1z]

@@sithhunter965 People with money aren't spending it on a PS5 Pro, they're spending it on a gaming PC. A PS5 Pro is just for idiots.

[@Shannon-ul5re]

So, the PS5 Pro is getting a few extra frames with shaper detail if you notice it, I have one but still, can't use it because the disc drives are sold out.

[@Ericuf]

Are you guys going to talk about PSVR 2 games on the pro? Thx!

[@YTN3rd]

1:40:00 - Australian here, I too was wondering why mine didn't have the thin outter layer. TBH the packaging felt very cheep and poorly put together. Unboxing it myself it felt like I was opening a used box and unit.

[@chillnspace777]

I crashed death stranding to the xbox main home screen by hitting the like button too often lol😂 Games runs like it did on ps5 and PC

[@akinigiri]

Japan had the mid-gen packaging upgrade like Australia. I was surprised as I had to open it on the spot because the delivery man said the outer box that contained the box was damaged. So I had to check for damages to the console at my home's entrance. Thankfully I did not see any damage and it runs well.

[@Nolasco.]

I just loved the way Rich just peeled that Pro Peach in the unboxing video and just a quick question, what exactly is the green ooze you John are chugging down your throat? 😅 Thanks for the show my DF compadres ❤

[@DigitalFoundry]

Matcha latte!

[@Nolasco.]

@DigitalFoundry got to try it myself one day 😁👍🏼

[@powerfrenzy]

Future unboxings should be labelled Physical Foundry Special

[@sandorclegane3658]

When I upgrade my PC I don't need 300% zoom on static pictures to see and feel the difference.

[@mohamedMustafa-yn4uc]

because you are not showing someone else the difference on a tiny smartphone screen.

[@bdizzle9586]

Yes you do. It’s why you come to Digital Foundry

[@Jayjayxxx007]

Can you guys do a video on nioh 2 for the pro, I’m wondering how that 120 mode works now

[@SimonStewart75]

PS5 pro impressing despite the constant negative press covfefe.

[@bigde131]

Yep. The loud mino-rity loses again. I bought a pro and my nephew LEGIT thought it was real life when I was playing horizon zero dawn 🤣. He never thought that when I had base ps5.

[@spiltcoff33]

@Александр-э2ш3я aw someone’s jealous

[@marklewis3348]

2:15 - The performance mode hasn't been replaced and is still selectable. Prefer Performance with High Frame Rate Mode + TAA seems to be the way to go from the limited testing I've done.

[@TempleofShaolin]

Loving the pro so far, ff rebirth and stellar blade seriously look incredible

[@thedrizzle1978]

Just picked up Stellar Blade, will grab FF7 rebirth on payday next week.

[@OG_Daz]

How’s Stellar Blade? I played the demo, but it doesn’t have the pro modes, so looks a bit blurry. Is the pro patch good?

[@thedrizzle1978]

@OG_Daz Haven't been able to play it yet, but I'm off work later on this week so hopefully I'll get to test it out.

[@TempleofShaolin]

@@OG_Daz stellar blade pro mode now uses PSSR and really cleans up image quality, also runs above 60fps now (locked 80fps)

[@kipters]

Nintendo has had a good track record with cartridge backward and forward compatibility: they changed the protocol and file structure on DS cards after the DSi came out (old cards have NTR in their code, new ones have TWL) and basically no one noticed because except a handful of DSi-only games all of TWL carts worked on DS too. And all three kind of cards worked on the 3DS too, which by itself introduced yet a new backwards compatible protocol using the same physical connector.

[@ps3inquisition441]

I have a 240hz monitor, it’s crazy how smooth everything is over 200.

[@Renk1]

Same. Just bought a QD-OLED 240 Hz last month. The best PC part upgrade in years.

[@duppypixels]

Im still apart of the 144hz club, got a 144hz tv and a 144hz monitor for my xbox, pc, and oled steam deck, with another 120hz tv i use for my ps5

[@BlackTone91]

Everything? You mean like 3-4 games?

[@colemin2]

​​@BlackTone91 There are thousands of esport games and thousands of old and not demanding games. And upscaling gets even more games over 200fps. He's probably playing these.

[@ps3inquisition441]

@ many more than that when you have a 4090

[@BenWillock]

If they get rid of carts or significantly change the format so the old carts don't fit, I'd be fine with a system to maybe plug in your old switch into the switch 2 with a usb cable and copy over the games that way, or something like that.

[@brucevandermescht6957]

So let me get this straight, PSSR which is supposed to reduce GPU load and give better frame rates like other upscalers, is actually putting more load on the GPU and pushing out less fps than TAA? What?

[@valgarlienheart]

I can see Nintendo changing the carts slightly just to fight piracy

[@Wobbothe3rd]

The way John feels about 480hz now is how I felt when I got my 360hz ROG monitor in 2021. Players in high speed twitch games like Quake Champions report actually getting better scores going from 240hz to 360, let alone 120 to 240! This has been my experience as well, even if I cant always visually tell 144hz from say, 360, I can definitely FEEL it when playing competitively. Once you go HFR its hard to even go back to OLED 120! It should be noted that a good reason to upgrade a GPU/CPU is for the lowest latency possible even at maxed out vsynced framerates. For people wondering why any gamer would need a 4090 if they have a non-4K screen - that's why. Multiple youtubers have shown that the latency difference can be meaningful even at the same exact framerates. I can't wait to try a ~500hz monitor soon!

[@gerboog]

placebo

[@balaam_7087]

@@gerboogyeah but he’s swallowing 480 placebos per second

[@alexisdelangel13]

​@gerboog i genuinely believe that after 240hz, it's all placebo (Arguably after 100hz). Can you somehow visually sense it? I can believe that. I would say it takes somewhere between 240-360 to become perceptibly the point of diminishing/minimal/no returns. Does it fundamentally make you play better? Ehhh, considering average response time, visual stimuli reactions, and general input speed (as in literal human movement [mouse aiming, clicking, key presses, analog stick control, button presses, etc.]) All point to being above 100hz as overkill. We actually react faster to audio, so if anything, having better audio is the way to play better. The average reaction in gamer circles is around 150ish ms. How would higher framerates even help you respond better in that case? The one undeniable thing I find higher framerates improve is the games response time to your input but we are speaking about ms, here. Whether something reads your input at 4.2ms or 16.6ms doesn't change your fundamental human reaction. It can "help" [very loosely] but to make you play "better"? Ehhhhhh. All in all, visually I find higher framerates more pleasing as it mirrors real life. As in, it can appear utterly smooth considering lifes visuals are based on light interactions not some framerate based slideshow. That said, again, I do not think it actively does anything for your actual personal skill.

[@theanimerapper6351]

​@@alexisdelangel13Linus tech tips did a video on this awhile ago. Don't remember the results but I remember the frame rate effecting skill in super fast paced games like csgo. But that's probably the exception rather than the rule

[@bighoss7437]

How is your game optimizer showing fps?

[@singularonaut]

Playstation and Xbox should take Valve's approach, only released new gen after at least 10x performance increase, for real next gen leap!

[@wamba2097]

😂

[@apictureoffunction]

If you're using the PS5 console internal capture, make sure to go into the capture settings and change capture quality to 2160p

[@santiagomoralesgarcia1802]

Glad i bought PS5 slim and save the money to build a good pc next year

[@Patrick-tw7nr]

Glad I bought a PS5 pro and will build a better gaming rig than what I currently have in 2 years

[@heilong79]

27 inch is the perfect size for a monitor, It is large enough when you are sitting close to it.

[@RedPillAlways]

So keeping my PS5 is a better move.. The more I see the PS5 Pro the happier im glad I kept my money.. 60fps is good for me

[@andreamos6558]

Good for you 👍🏾

[@OldManGamingGuru]

As long as you can compose all the feelings you’ll have once you see it in person😂😂 John is actually trying to let it be known measurements and captures now mean nothing, it’s about image quality and what is experienced on the user end. With VRR , 120, ai upscaling and ALLM to compensate it’s a tremendous leap. You can’t upload or meter what is experienced on a PRO.

[@RedPillAlways]

@@WUKONGSerieS10GBofRAM Yea, what ever helps you Feel better about your worthless purchase..

[@RedPillAlways]

@@OldManGamingGuru LMAO.. well enjoy that Money spent for the next few years.. ALLM VRR and everything besides AI is on the PS5. In fact the same Low grade VRR on PS5 is the same on the Pro. So spending $800 on the most miniscule betterment makes me laugh. Rather buy a PC and get Real money's worth if I was going to do that.. But I'll wait for the PS6..

[@OldManGamingGuru]

@ I guess you’ll be red pilled soon enough😂😂…maybe if Tate or Myron told you you’d believe it…

[@ukwalkingtour]

Thanks for the Great analysis. Question: is there any way we can also see frame rate or FPS on the screen while playing PS5 ? What do we need to do to see them?

[@theveay]

I love how the team's thumbnail faces seem to be commentary to recent events 😉

[@andrewcoehoorn6505]

I am one thousand percent getting sunglasses for my PS5 Pro now. When people ask I'll say "Well he is the Professional."