Silent Hill 2 Remake on PS5 Pro: A Mixed Bag of an Update... And PSSR Has Issues

[@ironeleven]

It feels counterintuitive that more powerful hardware is being paired with MUCH more aggressive upscaling.

[@mipha5262]

Thanks to PC gaming where it is normal to use it.

[@gargean1671]

@@mipha5262 You... Do know that subnative rendering and DRS came from consoles?..

[@patrickhewitt7899]

Soon, it will try to upscale 240p 😂😂😂😂.

[@dizzydella1]

​@gargean1671 really, which console?

[@aaronsmith7143]

​@@gargean1671 Any evidence to that?

[@Owen-uk3sj]

I see the pattern now. The developers rush the patch to get the "PS5 Pro Enhanced" certification. get it out of the oven quickly and fix the issues later. The customer always suffers.

[@SuadBektic]

If you ordered PS5-Pro on Playstation Direct you have 1month the time to return it. Im seriously considering to send it back

[@chrisstucker1813]

That'll be $800 please 😂😂

[@SoulOnIce1983]

@@SuadBektic Why would you send it back because a couple games dont work right, and those game will eventually be patched? Lol. Its Star Wars and Silent Hill 2. All the other PS5 Pro Patched games look gorgeous.

[@jayblaze53]

Thats copium

[@wanshurst2416]

PSSR sucks when the resolution is equal or below 1080p. At 1440p it's really good. You are right. I see that pattern too.

[@rafamuniak]

Mixed bag? I wish DF was more vocal and spoke openly: it's broken and unacceptable. PSSR is not ready to be a selling point, PSSR modes should be optional. People who paid 2x more and were promised better experience should never get version that is worse than BasePS5... And how are these broken patches even rolled out? They should never see a daylight. Where is quality control? What are you doing Sony?!

[@Doucheydouche]

I have ruled out getting another Playstation at this point and I really like PS5. I feel that betrayed. PC all the way in the future.

[@damiank9443]

PSSR is fine. Go and blame devs for broken implementation

[@paolo2696]

​@@Doucheydouche This gen has been a let down... lack of games, long dev times, technical issues. The biggest issue tho... controllers, never had so many issues with input response and stick drift. Sony must be raking it in with people buying new controllers. Won't be buying another Sony console...

[@iurigrang]

They were pretty vocal in this episode. Uncharacteristically so even: "Fundamentally, people who payed £700 for a new machine are getting a compromised experience" "The philosophy of any ps5 pro upgrade should be that we get an upgrade over base PS5 with no trade offs. The reality for the silent hill 2 pro upgrade is that there are pros and cons" "The approach of this pro update is misjudged" "The silent hill 2 pro support deserves better" I just think they don't like saying words like "unnaceptable", and they absolutely hate to misrepresent the pros/cons, even if one side is much more prominent than the other. But I think the most important thing is that anyone that watches this video leaves with no impression this is a "mixed bag" in the sense that it's acceptable. Being a mixed bag on a far more powerful machine is unnaceptable.

[@VariantAEC]

PSSR is on point. What is the issue then? The implementation of RT that devs seem to be using in UE5 games.

[@Tenpay]

Wait a second… shouldn’t we get 60 fps with quality and performance modes? Wasn’t that the WHOLE POINT of Ps5 Pro?

[@ilbroducciore]

No. That’s never going to be the point. Developers can always choose to crank up graphics at the cost of frame rate. Always.

[@Tenpay]

@@ilbroducciore​​⁠​⁠​⁠Watch Mark Cerny initial PS5 Pro announcement video and think again. There was promise of high fidelity with 60 fps so players don’t have to choose between those two. I feel sorry for all people who fell for it.

[@Gmoneybaby]

This is why I tell people save money and instead build an pc. Instead of spending 700$ plus to buy another console that under performs.

[@h.i.mcdunnough9421]

​@@Tenpayhe said he wanted to make the decision easier. He didn't say it was illegal for games to offer other modes. If they didn't include higher options they would be doing it arbitrarily as hardware can always be pushed further.

[@Tenpay]

@@h.i.mcdunnough9421is it easier? Are you really considering half-baked 30 fps quality mode as an option? I know its on developers to implement it, but for me this shouldn’t be approved as ps5 pro enhanced version by Sony. Adding salt to injury, patch-free version runs better, which is laughable.

[@Tintin_desi_billa]

There was image clarity here. It's gone now

[@BastianRosenmüller]

what a stupid decision to sacrifize image quality and resolution just to make new gimmicks work

[@Chibicat2024]

@@BastianRosenmüller bu but but... Lumen and nanite are the future! Honestly games are a blurry mess right now

[@AndrewPortess]

I see what you did there ;)

[@BleedForTheWorld]

@@Chibicat2024 they are the future it's just that it requires some of the best consumer hardware money can buy and unfortunately, not even the Pro console can manage it because of course it can't, it's a console after all.

[@silverwerewolf975]

​@@Chibicat2024nothing changed, now theyre blurry cus of upscaling and before cus of cancerous TAA

[@thanksbetotap]

No bones about it-Sony has to get all these early problematic PSSR implementations fixed. They can’t just leave all these games in this kind of broken state.

[@azzuri09]

Not sure if it’s a Sony issue, it’s developer but maybe Sony needs to assist with expertise

[@gorillagroddgaming]

Soyny probably won’t fix it tbh

[@solonepeon5805]

They are collecting money 1st to fix their bank accounts & investors. You'll get the fix months etc later.

[@6reen6uy]

No doubt pisser can be improved and will be. But UE5 requires individual software specific fine tuning to best take advantage. Has been this way across most integrations of this engine. Skill issue.

[@jugulator95]

​@@azzuri09 It seems to be when a game has too low of an internal resolution. Sony should put a requirement of a minimum resolution before pssr can be used

[@loost68]

Thank you to all ps5 pro users who are beta testing pssr for ps6. You guys are the champs

[@GrimAbstract]

You’re welcome. I’m sure you will enjoy your ps6 in 5 years 🫡

[@kriss5081]

@@GrimAbstract4*

[@RandomGamingMoments925]

No problem. Be sure to return the favor and beta test the PS6 for the PS6 Pro for us ❤

[@kasjamm]

​@@RandomGamingMoments925 If there will even be a PS6 Pro

[@GrimAbstract]

@@kriss5081 Sony wants this generation to last a decade, look it up pal :)

[@JakeDeeJake]

PSSR should’ve been the selling point of this console it should NOT be making games look worse..

[@GrimAbstract]

It’s very new, it’ll get better. When it works, it’s amazing.

[@JakeDeeJake]

@@GrimAbstract I’m sure it will but for now it isn’t. And I’m hesitant to spend 700 on a promise. Though I’m also spoiled from DLSS which has like a 6 year head start. I think the main problem is this is a console. Shouldn’t have to be having PC esq broken patches and other headaches introduced into the experience.

[@ninele7]

@@GrimAbstract if it doesn't it shouldn't be added or at least it must have option to disable it.

[@GrimAbstract]

@@JakeDeeJake but what even is a console anymore? It’s really just a pre built pc now. But honestly, I rather them do this an experiment with PSSR than the Xbox route and do nothing. When PSSR works, it looks amazing. Check out horizon, that game is phenomenal haha.

[@GrimAbstract]

@@ninele7 blame the developer, why would that be Sonys fault when there’s proof of PSSR looking good on other games?

[@BastianRosenmüller]

900p in 2024 congrats, we are still not even getting a native 1080p locked 60 fps on Consoles . What is the point of high end visuals , nanite , lumen and RT when we have to sacrifize Image quality and resolution for it ?

[@pt8292]

Exactly, I really don’t understand it. Gears 5 looks better than any of these games on Series X. I really could care less about RT if it is going to bring us back to 1080p

[@ampo2004]

RT, Lumen, Nanite...all should be adding to the experience not downgrading it xD

[@smashingwarden]

Blame UE5

[@deetsitmeisterjd]

It's mad how HFW blows all of these games out of the water, visually, technically, framerate and resolution wise. Sure, Guerilla are practically the technical gods of this industry all the way back to Killzone 1.

[@zanderman2009]

been saying this since the inception of RT.... and hey how can you say those 900p reflections dont look realistic? DF has been floating a useless industry that cares about relections and lisghting, even though they have an extremely low part in making a game look realistic, they really dont have a clue, battaglia being one of them

[@dreamcorridor]

Bloober Team on X has announced that they are working on improving the PS5 Pro implementation.

[@themarcshark]

I don't see that post

[@4k120fps0]

Star wars too

[@AbysmalEnd]

when did they say that? I've been keeping an eye out for any statement.

[@shambler7359]

They knew they were coming out with a disaster on 7 Nov, but still went ahead and launched it..🤔

[@valonfazlija889]

I just saw it on x 🎉​@@AbysmalEnd

[@E_Sunbro]

I can confirm that Alan Wake II, and Silent Hill 2 are rough with PSSR. Honestly makes the games unplayable for me because there is so much corruption, flickering, and shimmer.

[@neilranson4185]

Really I found in back to back tests with Alan wake 2 base ps5 to pro it looked better specially around temporal image quality and high frequency sub pixel detail’s. Make sure motion blur is off but even with it on still better to my eye at least but no means the jump id like to see mind

[@killermoon635]

Basically the image quality would be better if they kept the original TSR upscaler

[@davidupton73]

This is beyond the joke now. 'come play on ps5 pro where the games don't look as good and run worse than the base console!' These issues coupled with the fact I can't buy a disc drive for the damn thing is really starting to make me regret my decision picking one up. Sony has messed up.

[@AscendedMaster11111]

We all warned you bro. Nobody listens

[@akkibajaj705]

This is not on Sony but the studio who can’t optimize their games

[@SireEvalish]

You still bought one. 100% on you.

[@onerandomguy4832]

You reap what you sow lmao

[@shamba4406]

@@AscendedMaster11111 you didn't warn for the reasons that pro is suffering. Nobody predicted the issues that pro is facing, you're just crying about the price lol

[@canman87]

Imagine paying $800-1000 (depending on your local currency and whether or not you opt for the additional disc drive) to have an experience that's basically a wash with the base PS5 version instead of notably improved in every regard. This is pathetic.

[@IMan_93_]

Bloober Team finally announced they are working on fixes for the Pro update

[@ELASIRI]

When?

[@IMan_93_]

@ one of the devs replied to a fan saying they’re working on it

[@jdez095]

So there's a few kinks to work out. Same thing happened with early versions of dlss.

[@Trobott]

​@jdez095 this is indefensible stop. I bought this thing and I am beyond dissapointed

[@VariantAEC]

​@@jdez095 They will probably remove RT or use more samples per pixel. The issue isn't even PSSR. I don't know why DF refuses to acknowledge that.

[@codygregg1629]

So basically what you're really saying is I made the right choice not wasting 800 plus dollars on another console. Good deal!

[@michaelrhodes4235]

I feel like it would be best if every game that adds a PS5 Pro mode leaves the original PS5 modes available as options in the settings. So then at least in a situation like this Pro users could switch back to the old mode without having to run the 1.0 disc build while waiting for the devs to improve the pro mode. Then a Pro user would never have to settle for things like this.

[@bdgrey]

I also like to compare the base model's setting to the Pro settings, but you can't do that if they just remove the option altogether. It's really fun just running around different areas in FF 7 Rebirth or Stellar Blade, and switching back and forth.

[@intergaming8319]

Yeah been saying this too.

[@jcdenton868]

Seems bit odd to make a "pro enhanced" patch only to come conclusion the older build is probably better. They should rather not make patch at all if it clearly isn't improving anything and even more when it's making things worse.

[@intergaming8319]

@@jcdenton868 seems like they just enabled PSSR and hoped for the best without properly testing it

[@bdgrey]

@@jcdenton868 Nah! You gotta let the machine learning do its thing. All this messy performance mode stuff will be ironed out sooner rather than later. It's just gonna be rough on the games where the developers are figuring out how to optimize their game along with PSSR.

[@Gmoneybaby]

700$ dollars is crazy for just 900p to upscale to 4k? I might as well just save and build a PC. 🥴

[@ltManifesto]

PC does the same with DLSS. you can run it native but you will get bad performance. its just the world we live in now. its just that on consoles you cant choose the resolution scaling like you can on PC

[@zerosam5541]

@@ltManifesto you won't get bad performance on pc just get 3070

[@ltManifesto]

​I have a 4070ti super and will get sub par performance with native res settings. ​@@zerosam5541

[@DeathlySin]

@@zerosam5541 Well that's just not true, now is it. PC can have a myriad of issues in regards to optimisation and setups. I've been gaming on PC for over 20 years and see firsthand PC can have issues. Even with a 3070 in my current PC, I still run into some games having issues, like BO6 having a memory leak.

[@Chibicat2024]

I am sorry but talking about 920p locked 60 frames as a positive in any case just makes my brain laugh. 1080p 60 will be a breakthrough in the next 10 years...

[@TheatreStyle]

As long as Sony continues to allow developers to target 30fps, games will forever continue to be built around it, with 60 fps being an after thought.

[@SotNist]

4K 100+ fps in the Quality RT mode on Gran Turismo 7 is excellent. Highly recommended. Hasn't even been patched yet either.

[@kato093]

That is the native resolution.

[@Chibicat2024]

@@SotNist that one is a killer optimization example. I have seen it and it looks pretty good. I might get it later

[@ps5blows317]

​@@SotNist digital foundry said there is not enough bandwidth in the HDMI controller to run 4k 120. Also, that's a PS4 game too, sooo

[@HuGiv5]

Lmao those Devs have no shame insane.

[@mondzi]

The game would literally looked and ran better if they've done nothing. It's hard to look at the image at 4:30, it's crazy...Together with the broken pixelated reflections and AO/GI noisiness, it's baffling.

[@notatechguy1209]

This was the real issue with the PS5 Pro and its price point initially. Those of us already on PC who actually understood how games and upscaling worked knew this would be an issue for existing games. The GPU on paper was between a 6700 XT and 6800 with some extra bells and whistles and the CPU was basically untouched Zen 2 tech similar to a Ryzen 3700x. This is why we keep calling for better-optimized games. Game optimization can't always be fixed with new tech, it comes down to design choices made early in development and fixing problems along the way. Shoehorning upscaling on top of that was never going to fix the problem, as upscaling also comes at a performance cost. Now we expect developers that release a lot of these games in poor/ unplayable states to go back and rewrite code on 3 or 4-year-old games to get it to work with PSSR. After they have already moved on to the next game they're working on? Good luck with that.

[@NeothaAndMiano]

900p with extreme visual artifacting is unacceptable. This should not have been approved by higher-ups at the studio, or Sony themselves.

[@HAULHipHop]

Couldn't the developers just add a button to turn on or off PSSR?

[@AzaiaMonota]

I wish, same with FSR I hate upscaling so if we could have the option to just turn it off that would be nice

[@amy-295]

paying extra for worse quality 💀

[@RedPillAlways]

I know but it makes me Laugh.. Glad I skipped and now listen to all the butthurt Fanboy Brand Loyalist doing everything they can to Justify their worthless purchase

[@jakubprzybyowicz3980]

Wait, wasn't the entire point of PS5 Pro that we would NOT have to have 30fps modes anymore?

[@ilbroducciore]

No. That’s never going to be the point. Developers can always choose to crank up graphics at the cost of frame rate. Always.

[@splinterstreetrat]

no its up to the devs, they said quality mode at 60fps but some devs are also adding more graphics options and doing new higher graphics modes which some of us actually do like. i like the extra addition again if gives choice.

[@robertlawrence9000]

Nope. It's about more options depending on what the developer wants to do with it.

[@RKO94-49]

It wasnt the entire point, but it was the MAIN selling point of the console and it was something they kept saying with 100% confidence that the ps5 is capable of doing at all times. As we have seen, that clearly isn't the case. The games that can do it though, look good, but thats because these games look good already - the differences the pro make are extremely small.

[@swianr]

​@@robertlawrence9000pretty sure the whole marketing speil was about reducing the decision of choosing between more fps or better quality, not about having more options so stop lying

[@natekong3596]

The premise of PS5 Pro is that players can enjoy the highest fps without compromised graphics. So far it's been a mixed bag and that's disappointing.

[@h.i.mcdunnough9421]

Not really, most games pull that off. Ppl ignore the majority of positive coverage and hyper focus on the relatively few negative videos to reinforce their negative bias.

[@bdgrey]

No, the premise of the PS5 Pro is higher frames and higher graphics. In other words, whatever you play on the base model will run and look better on the PS5 Pro. Not, the highest fps without compromised graphics. Not even a 4090 can run native resolution at 60+ fps all the time without using dlss, and by that point it's no longer native resolution anyways. DLSS also still deals with shimmering and artifacting btw, and it's 5 years older. Long story short, PSSR is till new, it will only get better, and games like this which clearly suffer from developers not fully understanding how to implement PSSR, will improve too. They even said they're aware of the issues and are working on it.

[@MantashaMonster]

@@h.i.mcdunnough9421cope😂

[@MarcusBrannon]

I see people blaming the devs, but Sony should have been supporting the devs heavily at the launch of the console. If they didn't, that's on Sony.

[@CBrown]

IF is the key word here. I'd really like to understand what that looks like in reality. Whether Sony provided that support or not, I do blame the Devs/Publishers in the end however. If this is the end result of your development and it has some of these problems you shouldn't release it. Work with Sony until you get it right or call them out publicly if necessary.

[@ninele7]

Devs don't need any support to implement scalability on PC. Yes there might be some intricacies that needs to be addressed, but releasing a version that look objectively worse on upgraded hardware is just unacceptable.

[@mitchelljenkins4815]

it is silly to expect Sony to be responible for QA'ing all other developer's projects form them. They should have been able to see that there were obvious issues and not published the patch. This is so basic. At what point are developers and publishers responsible for their own projects?

[@Blindsyde5762]

So the fix is to run it on a disc, on a system that doesn't come with a disc drive. You can't make this shit up 😂

[@Aentwan]

Sony really needs to support developers, I'm sure the people who developed PSSR have tried it on different engines, especially UE5. Is it the implementation or PSSR itself that is at fault here? Excellent video, as always. I'm glad you went the extra mile with the patchless version, really interesting results and analysis!

[@eruannster]

Someone with dev knowledge on Resetera commented that it's possible that some of these problem games are exported using an older SDK which uses an earlier and worse version of PSSR that had a lot of these issues and that typically on the games he was working on (using the newest SDK) PSSR was typically much better than FSR/TSR. I think it's very likely there are some teething issues with early games not quite figuring out how to use PSSR correctly (and some just being straight up mistakes). DLSS also had issues early on. Hopefully they also come through and fix them.

[@seanpitt27]

This really shouldn’t the happening it’s a bad look for Sony! Paying £700 for a worse version! A lot of pros should be getting sent back until they fix the issues

[@mitchelljenkins4815]

@@seanpitt27 We gotta stop making everything Sony's fault. They can't control every developer. if we keep blaming Sony for everyone else's issues, they will never learn to QA their own work. They will just expect us to make Sony the whipping boy. Sony does enough to be criticized for without making them responsible for other companies issues.

[@nimbulan2020]

I feel like both are at fault here. In my experience UE5 has image quality issues with all third party upscalers, particularly related to software Lumen not resolving cleanly. It also presents far more severe disocclusion issues compared to other engines. On the other hand we've seen PSSR exhibit significant image quality problems on at least 4 different engines already so there's clearly something wrong there too.

[@SotNist]

Considering there's a 20 minute long video of Alex railing against even the PC version of this game ala Jedi Survivor, and the original PS5 tech review notes a lot of it's own issues, it's likely a situation where the developers have pre-existing problems with a set it and forget it approach. The devs have also said they're already working on fixes, so it's clear they needed to do some optimization work within the framework they have available, but likely estimated the Pro enhanced label would be a good little sales boost during the system launch period, and that some stability improvements would be seen as acceptable. As far as UE5 goes, the Pro enhancement looks good on Fortnite. I'd imagine Silent Hill 2 might even be able to utilize PSSR better if the film grain could be disabled.

[@pajamo]

I thought I was going crazy when I booted up SH2 Remake on my Pro and noticed all the flickering on this and Alan Wake II. Good to know DF have figured the problem is PSSR implementation. Now I just have to wait for Blooper and Remedy to update yet again. :/

[@Viewtiful_Leo]

I really do hope this is fixed soon on all problematic games. People shouldn’t have to spend £700 on a machine that’s currently shitter than the base machine, this is embarrassing.

[@ilovewhatido]

Reminds me of DSSL when it first came out for PC. This situation will get better for you guys just like it got better for us after a few updates…..took a couple years tho.

[@OW_Odyssey]

Annnnd this is why my PS5 Pro is getting returned. I refuse to be a PSSR beta-tester, especially when the console costs a leg. Will try again when most issues have been ironed out.

[@TheAmazingSpiderGuy_99]

Hilarious that devs are saying this console is much better for UE5 yet it still has the same horrendous sub 1080p internal resolutions. This engine needs some serious work.

[@RKramer105]

traversal stutters seem to still be in effect as well :(

[@MeekAndBackFirE]

Why the heck did PS release a console that's not software ready? Truly did not expect that from them. I knew the hardware wasn't much but I expected Sony to cook hard on optimization.

[@super_pretendo]

DF can't make a single minor critique these days without immediately apologising on Sony's behalf with some pixel-peeping BS, or gaslighting people. You guys should have torn the thing apart the second it was announced.

[@memphisreines]

Assassin's Creed Syndicate just got a patch for PS5 and Pro. Unexpected but welcomed. Now let's hope Metal gear rising revengeance gets one.

[@Doucheydouche]

So how much worse is it on Pro now?

[@justsomeguy452]

Metal Gear Rising isn't playable at all on PS5 or PS4 so a patch seems unlikely.

[@nicholas_btw]

Why would metal gear rising get one? It’s not even a PS4 game, it’s a PS3 game.

[@memphisreines]

@@nicholas_btw because it deserves one.

[@mitchellbrinkerdp]

Why are so many of you mad at Sony for the PSSR issues? Many of the games that implement it are fantastic. Alan Wake 2 and this game are two that don't live up (notice how they aren't first party titles), but I would argue it's the developers responsibility to implement it. It can clearly work very well. TLoU Part I & II look amazing. Ratchet and Clank is a strong showing. Spiderman 2 is great. Stellar Blade sees a big improvement. Let's see how the developers are able to fix these, and how PSSR improves over time. Either way, there really isn't enough here to immediately jump to "PSSR is terrible!" or "Sony sucks!"

[@VariantAEC]

F1 2024 and Stellar Blade are also 3rd party games with great PSSR implementations. The driving force behind SH2's shimmer comes down to its RT implementation not PSSR which Tom also hammed up as sharper despite counting fixed 900p in performance mode and 1080p in quality mode while lambasting it all at the same time. Of course he also glossed over the fact that the game looks great in the 30 FPS quality mode with little in the way of shimmer despite ever frame only have 62,000 more pixels to work with than in the 60FPS performance mode. For reference, 62,000 pixel area is a lower resolution than 320x240 yet somehow all that shimmer is excised from the game when targeting 30FPS in 1080p. Strange.

[@mitchellbrinkerdp]

@@VariantAEC this is a great point. the games that seem to have the most issues are the two that include some of the heaviest ray tracing.

[@Fusion05]

Very few PSSR implementations have been decent really. Most seem to suffer from way more flickering and instability. We really need devs to properly implement these features or at least gives us a PC options type menu to turn off or change back to the old upscaler while having other new features.

[@Fusion05]

Man in 1 or 2 games I actually said "this is better than FSR and TSR" but then in most other games I see it and say "no this gonna take a lot of work to fix the upscaling". I hope it is just developers going too far and using low res because "oooh upscaling fix everything because ai oooh".

[@bdgrey]

@@Fusion05 It's brand new AI. DLSS didn't come out of the box and work as intended immediately. It took them a while actually. At first, the only game that was supported by it was BF V. then a year later they released DLSS 2 which improved it in every way and became more widely used.

[@shisui19911]

@@bdgrey Xess did good

[@ccolin113]

​@@bdgreystop making excuses for a crappy console. Stick with the original ps5. Done.

[@bdgrey]

@@ccolin113 LMAO! You're so upset about this console existing that you don't even know what I'm talking about. The original post was specifically about PSSR, and you're in here vomiting diarrhea b/c you don't like the fact it costs $700 The console is amazing dude. We all love it. We're simply discussing one of the most important features of the console, AI upscaling, and how like absolutely every single example of AI in everything, it will take time to develop. The problems are also on the developer side btw, not the console. There is nothing wrong with the console; just developers learning how to implement a new machine learning tool is all.

[@troydavidson4631]

I’d be curious to see if running the base PS5 version on the Pro would result in a locked framerate. It would certainly let the dynamic resolution stay higher. Edit: this is why you watch the whole video before commenting

[@Vitz711]

This was my first purchase off PSN for my new Pro. Absolutely shocked to go into the game seeing the obvious issues in IQ from the very opening section onwards. And it's listed as "Pro Enhanced" on the store which feels totally misleading. It's not just PSSR, there's broken specular highlights on shiny objects that result in bright white squares of pixels. It looks really bad constantly.

[@VariantAEC]

It's not PSSR at all. It's the fact that they turned RT on in performance mode and are using the lowest sampling rate and resolution for RT. PSSR doesn't change the color of massive swaths of the image all at once. No AI upscaler does that, and for good reason, because they're not even modeled to do such things. DF doesn't know what they're talking about blaming PSSR for RT shimmer.

[@drizzydragon]

Bloober is using and older SDK that has an earlier version of PSSR. And what you're seeing is nanite and lumen issues that PSSR is enhancing. The flickering was always there just not a prominent.

[@VariantAEC]

@@drizzydragon SH2 didn't use RT in performance mode on PS5. It does use RT in performance mode on PS5 Pro.

[@drizzydragon]

@@VariantAEC Right so the shimmering must be the nanite which isnt ray tracing cause the flickering is still in the old performance mode.

[@VariantAEC]

@@drizzydragon The shimmering in the old version doesn't include obvious issues with RT and thusly doesn't cause dramatic bright and dark spots to appear in the image. Instead, the old shimmer is attributed to per pixel image break-up caused by Unreal's own temporal super resolution upscaling. The obvious difference is how fine the TSR break-up is and how it doesn't change how parts of the image are shaded. PSSR also can't change how parts of an image are shaded. Only RT can do that. Some of the shimmering of the older version of the game could also be due to poor ambient occlusion technique, but because that is also generated per pixel in traditional rasterization the shimmer will not paint large portions of the screen in different shades of light like a low resolution RT implementation generally can.

[@evanlynch9221]

I honestly thought that I was just purchasing a faster PS5 when I got the pro. I didn't stop to think that I would be an early adopter of the PSSR technology. I think I am just going to give the system some time before I jump into a few of these games.

[@h.i.mcdunnough9421]

@@evanlynch9221 or just play the majority which don't have issues.

[@dsinghr]

Feeling sad for selling my PS5 so early and buying the pro. Also, spent extra on the disk drive. This is frustrating. We have seen how bad the AI stuff can be by seeing GTA triology.

[@SketchTheSystem]

The GTA Trilogy was patched recently and it's much improved compared to when it released. It is fustrating though to see this problem repeating itself across other games and now a whole new console. Releasing a broken product and fixing it later isn't acceptable and should be punished / held accountable. It's too easy for the companies to keep doing this.

[@bdgrey]

This is a load of bs. You don't own a PS5 Pro. Not one person who actually owns one is upset with their purchase. You're just on here complaining about the price, the optical drive, and pretending like Silent Hill 2 is the end all be all game that determines the value of the PF5 Pro.

[@carllavery4442]

Funny to think the game was running better before they patched it. Devs should be checking if PSSR is the correct choice for their games and not just blindly adding it in, or just give us as the user the option to choose

[@adink6486]

The OG PS5 will suffer the most when game devs target their unoptimized games on PS5 Pro.

[@Brunn0121]

it will be the other way around. ps5pro hasn't sold for crap, even the scalpers are having a hard time to break-even.

[@lowbudget780]

@@Brunn0121 It has sold more units than the PS4 Pro at launch, cope more.

[@paultsang1210]

Not even a ps5 pro patch and they called it enhanced . Fucking crazy

[@JKSmith-qs2ii]

Thank you so much for testing v1.00 on the PRO. I play almost all games unpatched and I held off on this game because the performance was bad on regular PS5. But seeing that the unpatched disc version runs better it's definitely worth playing for me on pro with a disc copy.

[@marshinz5696]

Not on Console but this is why the work DF does is important.

[@adriannunoperera242]

This video definitely proves that Digital Foundry works with Sony because this game looks disgusting on PS5 Pro and they try so hard to minimize it, I can't believe what Digital Foundry is doing with its great reputation in the PC community, they are simply destroying it.

[@super_pretendo]

Glad this is being picked up on. They're so hesitant to say anything bad lately, and immediately follow up with some excuses or apologies in other areas.

[@sjake333]

I think folk need to get used to the British art of understatement. Tom is absolutely raking this over the coals.

[@NinaBoninaBrown]

My thing is everyone was saying how amazing the game looked on the ps5 i bought it and was looking at my game like it’s kind of flat looking. Sure the backgrounds are decent but the character almost looks like a pop in cartoon character just put there against a more “detailed” background if that makes sense. Almost like a cut out. I was excited for UE5 but genuinely they could have said this was built with UE4 and i would believe it because i dnt see a major difference. So in theory the game didnt look that great to begin with 🤷🏾‍♂️. But I’ll still wait on the pro patch to finish and see if it actually looks any better

[@wizardsandwarriorz]

So glad I didn't care to get the Pro. And even worse, if I did care, how paying 700 for some of these games I own to look even worse than my base PS5. I get it'll "get better," but what a let down to the "promise" of better image quality during their presentation of the Pro. Crazy how it's making certain games look worse, like in this case and Jedi Survivor (horrible there). I'd feel really cheated in my investment, thinking I was getting an all across the board upgrade with Pro, only to get all these blemishes. Question is, why are devs even releasing these Pro patches when they know it looks worse than the base product? "Hey, we got a Pro update! Behold...it looks worse. Just gonna have to deal with it."

[@AzaiaMonota]

1080p 30 fps on PS5 Pro... wow just wow

[@leonthesleepy]

Ah yes, the age of decent hardware but absolutely piss poor software optimization. Sounds like Sony just rushed the 3rd party support out to sell the PS5 Pro, before doing any proper QA.

[@JackJohnson-br4qr]

PSSR bad = Developers bad, PSSR good. PSSR good = PSSR good, Developers doesn't matter, Zero performance gain doesn't matter. PSSR is good mainly in games where FSR was not used at all or TAA is very bad or not used at all: Final Fantasy VII Rebirth Stellar Blade God of War Ragnarök Gran Turismo 7 The Last of Us Part 1 The Last of Us Part 2... Some games are good simply because they don't use PSSR at all: Horizon Zero Down Remaster Horizon Forbidden West... In many games, PSSR is somehow better, but the performance gain for the price is minimal or even negative: God of War Ragnarök Baldur's Gate 3 Fortnite Hogwarts Legacy The Last of Us Part 1 The Last of Us Part 2... Games where PSSR is bad: Dragon Age: The Veilguard Dragon's Dogma 2 Alan Wake 2 Silent Hill 2 Remake Star Wars Jedi: Survivor Call of Duty: Black Ops 6... And I've only seen a handful out of a total of 100 enhanced games. DF only made 3 videos about bad games. But that doesn't mean there are only three bad games. DF has barely started.

[@CwapPlatinum]

$700. Sony really needs to support these guys if they want their $700 console to be justified, at least in this case

[@FJTabb]

Yes bc of one game it's not worth it lol! You guys kill me, yes the developer has nothing to do with this at all .

[@Thuner67776]

​@@FJTabbits 4 games one after the other showcased by DF.

[@Thailan15]

@@FJTabb 4 games

[@Magnific0giganticus]

​@@Thuner67776Name those 4

[@Marko25Polo]

....4 games. In succession. Climb down out of Sony's ass. They are not your friend.

[@WillThrillin]

Love your videos man. Keep up the good work!

[@blackwidow7804]

Becouse of the more powerfull gpu i hoped that Pro will run games at same or slightly higher base resolution and than upsale it with PSSR but its clearly not the case. Whats the point than if PSSR is so expensive to run that Pro renders the game at lower native resolution? I would rather play game at native 1080p/60 than native 900p/60 upsaled to 4k with tons of shimmer and other artifacts. It actually hurt my eyes after longer play.

[@TheDiabloZero]

I don't know if the developers didn't receive the development kit with enough time to optimize the games correctly, or if PSSR is simply a total failure.Even worse than FSR. I say this and confirm it because I have the PlayStation 5 Pro. And many games are having problems.With the exception of a few exclusives, most do take full advantage of this new technology.

[@adamb6119]

Why can't we just get games running on older engines, like UE4 but with good artistic design and smooth performance. Stellar Blade is a perfect example. I don't care if it runs on UE 4, it runs like a charm and looks... stellar 😅 What's the point in releasing the game that has all blows and whistles but in the end is shimmering, pixelated mess. Pushing latest techs makes sense in PC where users can enjoy them in full glory, or at least have rich settings to play with to adjust performance.

[@Scomak]

In my restless dreams, I see that clarity... Bloober Team. You promised you'd take me there again some day... but you never did.

[@K3dev]

The first thing Sony had to do was to test it on UE5, as is a really popular engine, it should be a plug and play on UE5 as it looks like only custom engines are implementing it well, if they need for Epic to update something to support PSSR they should have asked Epic before launching PS5 pro as this will continue to happen on UE5 games.

[@ps5blows317]

PS5 isn't a fan of UE5. That would have been a bad idea to show UE5.

[@forresthunter1483]

Totally unacceptable.

[@AscendedMaster11111]

Happy to see Sony catching Ls. They were due to be humbled. Cancelled the new Twisted Metal and gave us Concord instead. These morons are out of touch. Just like the pathetic hand held they released that nobody asked for.

[@ADRzone]

This issue has to be called out differently, how can we have games like God of War, The Last of Us, Spiderman, Horizon Forbidden, and many other 3rd party games that also look and play amazing. All these games were all on PS4, looked better and were bigger than Silent Hill 2, and yet everyone keeps calling the issue "The PS5pro"... The issue here are the Developers, their engines, their games. If on PS4 we had better looking, more optimized games, how can an even stronger next gen console be struggling? Because is not the consoles, but the Devs, call them out and stop calling the issue "The PS5pro, The Xbox Series, The PS5, The PS4" it is not the consoles when soooo many games look and run way better 🤷🏻‍♂️. Things WILL NOT get better if we shift the blame to the consoles.

[@rehaansiddiqie]

This comment is perfect, please look to the issue towards the devs and their time/budget, not the hardware. It's not the hardware, it's what you DO and how you WORK with the hardware to get the best results

[@ADRzone]

@rehaansiddiqie Hey 👋🏻, Much appreciated.

[@ps5blows317]

People blame series S and it has a faster CPU than PS5. Pretty weird.

[@ADRzone]

@ps5blows317 Yeah, but due to most games pushing resolutions higher than 1080p, this weight of performance falls on the GPU. But keep in mind also 200mhz to 300mhz more is literally almost none existent. That margin helps with stability, and may be 3 to 5 more frames only if the GPU can push harder. This is why the PS5 with lower clocks it out performs the Series S by a mile.

[@ps5blows317]

@@ADRzone PS5 needs a faster CPU to push the GPU. PS5 is bottlenecked, look at warhammer

[@cinderhusky]

I love how much slower you guys move the camera on the pro while talking about sudden camera movement at around 8:30

[@mipha5262]

These sideeffects are a reason why i avoid stuff like ai upscaling or frame generation. Horrible! PC gaming made this popular... but it is a mess (on PC as well). People don´t notice it or have no idea about a good picture.

[@fafski1199]

Which is why on PC I don't use it, unless I absolutely have no other choice but to. Even then it's always Quality mode or nothing. I guess the good about PC compared to console, is it's not being forced down your throat. You still have the option whether or not to use it. While on console it's entirely down to what the Dev's chooses and you have absolutely no say in the matter. If the quality ends up being crap on console due to it, then it's simply a case of tough luck and live with it, because there's nothing at all you can do about it.

[@ttwinsturbo]

@@mipha5262 man on PC, we don’t scale res from 800p to 4k…DLSS and Frame gen is game changer on PC. Give you crisp and sharp image, a much more fps than 60, lower input latency than consoles in nativ 60 fps and much better graphic, RT! On PC DLSS do a better IQ than nativ res, on consoles with PSSR is a rare example!

[@mipha5262]

@@ttwinsturbo No thanks, it is a mess! I can see the artefacts. Native resolution is always better. That comes from people not knowing what they talking about. You can´t beat the original 4k creators intent, impossible (because it is, how it should look). Otherwise you fake the original.

[@BygoneUser1]

Maybe they need to rename the console the 'PS5 Pro(s and cons)' sorry I'll see myself out

[@SuperForRealsWiiGamr]

900p is wild

[@Segundachanceemgames]

That's what upscalers do, Dlss, FSR and etc..native res doesn't matter all that much anymore.

[@EriksCat]

​@@SegundachanceemgamesThis why is bad

[@frankdukes3253]

@@Segundachanceemgames It definitely matters if you want a clean image. Paying 700 USD for 900P is pretty insane. The shimmering in some of these games on PS5 Pro is shocking.

[@Chibicat2024]

​@@Segundachanceemgames I see your point but I would argue that image quality is being severely degraded because of it.

[@Gmoneybaby]

@@Segundachanceemgames I run my games native on pc and don’t rely on upscaling.

[@J_Rustle98]

It really feels like developers rushed out their PS5 Pro patch just to boast that their games are "PS5 Pro enhanced". $700 for enhancements that barely do anything and come with a range of issues in the process is just insane.

[@whitewolf1054]

Bloober team has anounced they working on the pro version !!!

[@skyfernandes8610]

Sad that the games are broken, let's hope they'll all get the FF7/Stellar Blade treatment with time

[@lordspalse0062]

Very soon ps5 will become more expensive than the ps5 pro when sellers begin to advertise No PSSR as a positive for the base ps5 😂😂

[@VariantAEC]

Blaming PSSR for bad RT... smort,

[@Cshizzle94]

You know, Uncharted 4 came out in 2016 and overall still looks better running on the base ps4 than many of these messy modern UE5 games.

[@DJordydj]

Mmmm... I don't think Uncharted 4 looks that good. The models are detailed, but... I don't know, it feels that everything is more dependant on textures than on lightning. It feels kinda saturated. Silent Hill 2 Remake has a way more natural look IMO.

[@Cshizzle94]

@DJordydj Does Uncharted 4 have god awful ghosting where every leaf is leaving a little trail? That alone is a bigger visual flaw than anything in Uncharted 4. Yes it's dated in some aspects and the lighting is static but overall detail is superior. Stuff like antialiasing, facial animations, fire, water, physical animations, etc. all look better and it's almost a decade old at this point. It is Naughty Dog tho tbf.

[@carlharrison3637]

Sony: We Need; An option on a game-by-game basis whether we run it under "PS5" standard so we can run on a more stable system An option on a game-by-game basis whether updates are installed for specific games A fix on these PSSR issues

[@jdez095]

I think developers are over complicating things. They dont have to remove options, just add more settings options. I think God of War Ragnarok had the right idea with having the toggles for PSSR & TempAA. This does make me wonder though how the sequel to cyberpunk will come out if it is going to be an Unreal 5 title.

[@Kubush1]

Playstation continues to embarrass themselves. PS5 Pro is mid-range 2018 PC gaming at best.

[@Patrick-tw7nr]

Nah it’s much better than that more like 2023 mid range gaming pc. Not Sonys fault devs don’t know how to use the HW

[@MantashaMonster]

@@Patrick-tw7nrit is losing to rtx 3060ti😂

[@Patrick-tw7nr]

@ no it’s not lol. Try again

[@Erlaxis]

I expected EA to botch the Jedi Survivor patch, since they didn't even do a good work back when the game launched, but this is unnacceptable from Bloober and Konami. This is a recently released game. There should be no rush to push these patches until they are reasonably tested.

[@MrSiloterio]

"Consoles are better optimized" Well not anymore. The worst part is that you can't do anything about it. On PC, we could still create our own fixes and patch the game for improvements with additional enhancements. On console, you're simply stuck with whatever the developers cooked for you. Most importantly, on my 3080ti machine, the worst performing PC ports still perform better than their 'optimized' console titles.

[@phyxirian]

"We do get a slightly sharper picture on PS5 pro using PSSR" me starts pixel-peeping

[@PsychologyOK]

Why in the heck would they release an inferior update? If Square can make FF7 Rebirth look and play like it does than Bloober team can do the same the SH2

[@watchmejumpstart24]

This was the game I wanted to play on my PS5 Pro.. Stopped playing before it arrived so I could finish on Pro. My pros been sitting there the entire time and they had been radio silent (heh) about it the entire time..

[@mcmilliftw1166]

They should just set the resolution to 1440p with no upscaling for the 60fps mode it would be a much cleaner and stable image.

[@xzraiderzx308]

9:05 So there's definite proof for all the people who were claiming it was just a developer implementation issue. Dissapointing to see that PSSR seems to be so undercooked

[@prutikLive]

Will DF bring a video on the new gta trilogy patch?Iam interested how the sitch version is running.

[@H4GRlD]

These upscaling solutions should have proven themselves first before the publishers started heavily relying on them. In short make games that can run without these at least @ 1080p60 and then if you want a higher resolution or higher frame rate experience you can try your luck with these

[@TheNerd]

It's official: The Pixels in Silent Hill 2 Remake fear the Pyramid Head!

[@andoniliev3857]

all that information pushes me off consoles even further. i have ps5 but not happy with all games being 30 fps or 60 fps with artefacts...

[@sleeplessindefatigable6385]

I'm sure all the people who spent £700+ on a console are overjoyed that they're getting a worse version of the same game.

[@shayanali8771]

It's been over a month and still we have only got two patches that addresses the performance issues. The PC version is especially bad. The DXVK gplAsync mod solved 80% of stuttering issues for me. But you lose DLSS and HDR. However, TSR works. I highly recommend this mod if you can't wait for patches to come.

[@Khn90]

The PS5 "Professional" is comming on 28th November at US$945 in my country, lmao

[@GrimAbstract]

Get a better country, GG go next

[@Czarhi]

Which country

[@jilherme]

taxes included?

[@VariantAEC]

​@@Czarhi I'm guessing Australia.

[@phrozac]

With how many of these "Pro" patched modes turning up botched, it seems to me like it was a mad dash to get certification in time for release. Let's hope they can fix these issues soon because it's a real bad look when the base model is delivering cleaner results.

[@adriannunoperera242]

so sad to see digital foundry is no longer an authorized voice for the world of technology, they were sold. :(

[@Jeff1N]

I'm still thinking about buying a PS5 Pro, but I'm glad I waited, I have already finished many of the PS5 Pro enhanced game and was looking forward to play Alan Wake 2 and Silent Hills 2

[@ZiZo34344]

Alan Wake 2 then Jedi survivor and now Silent hill 2?? WTF Sony?!

[@gorillagroddgaming]

All are garbage games anyway, who cares.

[@wayneg85]

What engine are they all running on

[@ZiZo34344]

​I don't care if they're garbage or not.... Why are they looking worse?! What's this weird artifacting/shimmering/flickering ​@@gorillagroddgaming

[@G360LIVE]

Yeah, it's as if Sony is PSSRing away all the good will they've earned recently.😅

[@veraalves6874]

​@@wayneg85 Alan Wake 2: Northlight Engine Jedi Survivor: Unreal Engine 4 Silent Hill 2 Remake: Unreal Engine 5

[@Corey_K]

As someone who now has the Pro and looked forward to playing this game…. This is utter BS.

[@TempleofShaolin]

Patch should be out by end of the month

[@Corey_K]

@@TempleofShaolin 🤞🏼

[@zanychelly]

Almost like these people don’t test the f-ing thing before releasing it…

[@KevinJamesHannant]

Entertainment is a broken mess to keep you in jail, throw away the tv & find salvation before becoming a four eyed potatoe alien that needs to visit the hospital.

[@pananonim930]

I wrote to Bloober Team and got a response that the path will not be released soon. Currently, work is underway to improve PSSR and as soon as it is finished, Bloober will start working on improving the game. And most importantly, the game patch is not planned for this year.

[@plimsickens]

PS4 Pro: “Hey, got a 4K tv?” Consumer: “Sure do!” PS4 Pro: “Cool! I’m the same price as a regular PS4 and I’ll make your games look way better!” Consumer: “Deal!” PS5 Pro: “Hey, got disposable income?” Consumer: “In this economy???” PS5 Pro: “I cost 1.5 times the amount of a regular PS5 and add a negligible amount of improvement to your old games…some I make look worse!”

[@bobocpe]

30 fps in a game which looks exactly as good as Days Gone, but on a PS5 Pro. This generation is a joke.