Guardians of the Galaxy: PS5 vs Xbox Series X/S - A Great Game But 60FPS Comes At A Cost

[@Poptartsicles]

It's kind of baffling that they dropped from 4K all the way to 1080p, AND dropped other settings, and they STILL couldn't hit a locked 60fps.

[@Zerobob26]

Exactly. I think you're the only person who's mentioned that it still struggles to maintain 60fps, even at 1080p. Absolutely shocking. If this was an open world game I could understand, but it's just a linear 3rd person shooter.

[@Farat9622]

@@Zerobob26 Eidos need to work on optimizing the games more. The optimizations come at the last stage of development just before launch and it looks like they were stripped of the time needed to do that. But other than that, the game is awesome and i love it.

[@iamarabicandiloveamericanp7137]

Maybe the developers aren't experienced enough on ps5 or Xbox series especially series x it's should easily run this game at least on 1440p and 60fps

[@RockDatDubstep]

Eidos needa pick up their optimization techniques. No way this game should have to compromise this much when Red Dead 2 chugs along just fine on a toaster like the Xbox One.

[@S3mj0n]

That's consoles for you. Already outdated hardware. Thank God I play on PC.

[@dddddddddddddddadddddddddddddd]

"Did you get 60fps?" "Yes" "What did it cost?" "Everything"

[@stephonhines6554]

This is bad 😂

[@SolidSnaake]

If this was reddit, I would have awarded this comment.

[@floatinggoose9197]

Yea. 1080p60. I honestly think it's ridiculous, that they marketed these machines as 4k60 powerhouses, woth 120hz even being mentioned. 2 games run at 120 right ? I have a 600 console with a 800 TV, to play at 1080p. Wtf

[@savions4005]

I couldn’t stand it, I just dealt with 30 fps and got used to it. This game at 4K is just too good

[@stevenkaye1625]

@@floatinggoose9197 Sorry, but this is simply not true. The consoles were never marketed in this way. 4K@60FPS is challenging for even the most expensive PC rigs still if you want high graphical fidelity in other areas. We also have games like Spider-Man which not only offer a 60FPS mode, but managed to still keep ray-tracing.

[@neilranson4185]

Something doesn’t add up as many other games have hit 60fps in their performance mode with out having to lower shadow resolution, foliage density, geometry draw in, texture quality, ambient occlusion all the while reducing the resolution by 75%! Also the fact the series s runs at 1080p 30fps which is very similar to last Gen clearly shows this game isn’t tapping into these consoles power

[@emperor719]

Same goes for the pc port in some GPU it doesn't launch at all

[@BAMozzy69]

Its difficult to draw comparison with other games as you don't know how the games are built. Different games use different engines, have different priorities and design elements etc. For example, other games that target 60fps may have much more 'static' geometry, lower polygon counts etc. There are many reasons why two 'similar' style, similarly looking (to a 'gamer') games from two different developers/studio's may have very different performance profiles. I doubt this game is tapping into some of the 'next gen' features these consoles are capable of, but then I doubt many games are yet as they would of started development with 'Last' gen hardware in mind. For example, Returnal only runs at 1080/60 too yet there are numerous shooters that can do 4k/60 on PS5. At 60fps, each frame has to be calculated, rendered, texture filled, processed and sent to the TV in just 16.66ms (or 0.0166s - that's an incredibly short period of time - at 30fps, you have double that at 33.3ms. Twice as much time - and that's twice as much time for the GPU to spend on PQ, twice as much time for the CPU to calculate everything (AI, Physics etc), instruct the GPU what to draw, pull assets around etc. Different games will have different 'budgets' and different 'priorities' to budget for. If they target 60fps from the start for a specific 'hardware', they know that the CPU and GPU have a budget of 16.6ms so build the game and 'optimise' around that. If the game is built around 30fps to start with, they could have more 'expensive' elements (more complex AI, more Destruction, More Particles, more FX, Higher scene complexity/higher polygon counts etc). This game could be more CPU heavy and so dropping resolution to a quarter isn't enough to hit 60fps. Its not 'just' the GPU that has half the time to draw a frame, the CPU has half as much time too to do all the tasks the Developer sets it to do... The only thing you can really do is compare the 'SAME' game built by the same dev team with the same engine. Its not even fair to compare an UE4 game with another UE4 game by different studio's because they all have different priorities. Comparing GTSport with FM7 shows different priorities designing the 'same' type of game. Sony opt for a 'higher' polygon count on the Cars for example, but then the track side details are a bit lower. MS opted for Dynamic Weather too so that has a 'cost' to it but both manage a 'similar' resolution and performance - yet other games, like Driveclub was only 30fps and Project Cars struggled for a consistent 60fps...

[@GameFanaTICK386]

This is a true next-generation game. Other games were also last gen games. That's my thought process on it.

[@neilranson4185]

@@BAMozzy69 get what your saying mate it just raises questions when it’s pretty much the only title running 1080p 60fps with other titles seemingly (even if you can’t see what the stress is on the hardware) doing more. The 1080p 30fps series s version which is a far more powerful system then the ps4 yet it’s running similar settings/performance tells me something not quite right and that’s before you consider it’s targeting last Gen with its render budgets first and scaling up

[@neilranson4185]

@@GameFanaTICK386 it’s target was last Gen ps4 and Xbox one. Started development around 3 years ago for those systems with a view to cross Gen i believe.

[@Starless85]

I wish games like this would have a mode where it would run in quality mode outside of combat and performance mode during combat. I’m not a techie so maybe not possible, but I’d definitely use it if it was.

[@tails7227]

no no definitely not a false theory. I've played games that have definitely switched frame rates mid cutscenes to sustain the graphics aspect.

[@tails7227]

so the possibility of a mode with that same sorta aspect wouldn't be too far fetched!

[@lemmy154]

Wtf?

[@marcalbert674]

That's what Dynamic res already does...in a way. But I see your point

[@OmairKhan]

Woah. Seems like Square took your idea and ran with it. Ff16 has this

[@Slimecrazy234]

The problem with these powerful consoles is that developers are getting lazy with optimization. 1/4 of the resolution for double the frame rate makes no sense.

[@teddyholiday8038]

1/4 the resolution and lower settings and doesn’t hold 60 fps

[@BAMozzy69]

Its all to do with 'frame' time. Just because the 'resolution' is 'reduced' down by 25%, doesn't mean that they can ''instantly' save 16.6ms of frame time. There are other aspects - (like Input response, AI, hit detection, Physics etc) that still need to be calculated and not dependent on resolution. That's before the CPU instructs the GPU what to draw. Yes dropping the resolution will save on the GPU render and Processing time but may not save '50%' of the Frame Time to ensure a stable 60fps. Another example - Rise of the Tomb Raider which runs at 4k/30 on XB1X but cannot hold a locked 60fps at 1080p because the CPU is the bottleneck that prevents it. I am sure this is more CPU intensive and unless you scale down the CPU load (reduce the AI, Physics, destruction, draw calls etc) to 'fit' within the frame-time budget, Reducing the Graphical load may not be enough alone to hit a consistent 60fps.

[@teddyholiday8038]

@@BAMozzy69 You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about

[@BAMozzy69]

@@teddyholiday8038 If you are too dumb to understand, don't insult others as it makes you look even more stupid!!! Frame Time is VITAL. At 30fps, a 'new' frame has to be ready in 33.3ms to hit a consistent 30fps. Increasing the frame rate to 60fps drops the frame time to just 16.6ms. Dropping the resolution can save a 'chunk' of rendering time, but it doesn't change the amount of NPC's and AI, doesn't change the amount of objects on screen, the physics, the hit detection etc all of which still takes 'time' to process. Games don't rely on 'just' the GPU - the Graphics Processing unit - to run a game. The Central Processing Unit (CPU) is the 'brains' behind games and tells the GPU what to draw and where everything is meant to be, often used for AI, Physics etc, often used for decompression and audio too (especially on last gen consoles) all of that takes time too. Dropping the resolution alone - even if it is by 25%, doesn't mean that the entire frame time drops by 50%. The entire frame time is not 'just' render time and whilst you will save time by dropping the resolution to reduce the 'render' and post processing time, it may still not come in at 16.6ms to deliver a consistent 60fps. Dropping the resolution may save 8-15ms so each frame takes 25ms (so get 40fps) or 20ms (50fps) and only when the CPU is not being pushed, do you get under that 16.6ms to deliver 60fps game-play. You may have to reduce other aspects to reduce the CPU load - reduce draw distance for example so the CPU doesn't have to send so many draw calls, reduce AI or Physics, reduce Particles etc all often the load on the CPU. If that is 'too' much for you tiny brain to comprehend or understand, maybe stick to nursery rhymes until you grow up!!

[@BAMozzy69]

​@@ntz752 NO 4k is 4x 1080p. HD - 1920 x 1080p = 2073600 pixels 4k - 3840 x 2160p = 8294400 pixels 2073600 x 4 = 8294400 so 2160p is 4x larger or 1080p is a 'quarter' of the size. 1080 (or 2160) is the 'number' of vertical pixels so 1080p may only have 'half' the number of vertical pixels, but it also has 'half' the horizontal. You can fit 4 1920x1080p images inside a 3840x2160p resolution 2 vertically by 2 horizontally 2x2 = 4 How are some people so thick? don't they teach basic maths in school these days or have you not reached Junior school yet?

[@volatilelyle5170]

Imagine being in the 4K era and having to settle for 1080p just to play at 60fps. I feel like 1440p should've been the baseline for the PS5 and XSX

[@danielbyers6978]

This game looks nothing like 1080p in surprsied they saying it is cause wow on 4k oled wow

[@jjdutoit5890]

Kind of disappointed that it only hits 1080p 60fps on ps5. They could atleast have given us 1800p

[@nickwiley9647]

Yeah this game is very poorly optimized it seems. No reason this game should be struggling whatsoever

[@1meen1]

@@nickwiley9647 I wouldn't believe that, however it's Eidos Montreal, and the last Deus Ex did perform pretty bad

[@naughtycultmemes784]

@UnjustifiedRecs lmao ok buddy

[@JNEZ25]

I'm glad Marvel has been staying away from MCU designs as much as possible. As a major comic book reader, I love seeing original designs and also comic accurate designs (like the ones you unlock in the game) show up in these games.

[@soundofreality]

Sorry, but no. As a comic reader and a fan of the MCU, I'm pretty disappointed that they didn't invest in having the cast from the movie. They are the ones that made famous Guardians Of The Galaxy, and in a 3D world they're the ones to go, because they also are the only ones we saw outside the papers actually moving around and fighting outside our imagination. Also, IMO the cast for the movie was beyond perfect.

[@A7XKoRnRocks1]

@@soundofreality Sorry but this game makes me hate the movies, the movie is so basic compared to this game, which is far far superior.

[@robertjames2277]

@@soundofreality how will it make any sense in having the mcu acters faces in a game that has nothingto do with the mcu

[@robertjames2277]

I do not know why people complain about the mcu depictions of these characters not being in the game when you can literally wear the mcu costumes

[@ogashion]

Yeah I like when they use original desings or the ones that comes from the comic books

[@oscarmike90]

Series S had 60fps mode, but they silently removed it in patch. Optimization in this game is really poor.

[@benturner3458]

Yeah I noticed that. It's a bit out of order as they were getting on average 45 to 50fps. They could have locked it to 40fps or given the option as I'm sure players would have been happy with that

[@MaxIronsThird]

@@benturner3458 40fps runs really smoothly on 120Hz TVs.

[@athenian221]

@@MaxIronsThird I was wondering about that. Locking to 48 would feel smoother than 30.

[@MaxIronsThird]

@@athenian221 Only in 144Hz screens

[@karmca7125]

No 60fps No money

[@The_Wailing_Doom]

"If you buy a game at launch, you are paying the most amount of money for the worst version of a game." -TotalBiscuit

[@godofchaoskhorne5043]

RIP

[@MisterReen]

True

[@LeoxDLUZ]

This the deepest shit I've heard this year

[@Cipher_Zone]

RIP TB. But to be fair, this game is awesome.

[@robsmall6466]

Says it all about gaming in 2021. Companies sitting there laughing their ***** off. Going to be even funnier when people stop buying day 1 and the money drys up. Bye patch culture

[@hyperbolebydefault4070]

After playing Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart, this drop is visual fidelity for performance mode is pretty sad. Sounds like an engine problem + lazy optimization.

[@craigharris41]

Well Ratchet and Clank is a 1st party game

[@Aaron-xr7oc]

@@craigharris41 for sure, definitely huge advantage, only having to optimize for playstation instead of a range of PC specs and 9 different consoles

[@ThaMobstarr]

Yep as the others said, unfair comparison to compare it to a console exclusive title.

[@OoJxShadow]

For me it's unacceptable on gen 5 to have to choose between 4k 30 and 1080p kinda 60. There are already launched games that prove they can do better.

[@adk4986]

Exactly the avengers game runs at 4k60 so wtf is this

[@why8308]

I think it’s acceptable on the PSX/N64/Saturn to have to run the game at 1080p for 60 FPS. Then again, I guess those 5th Gen consoles could to a little better for games such as 1958s “Tennis For Two”.

[@rhysspeight7142]

it’s not gen 5, it’s gen 9

[@insanekyo]

Eidos Montreal sucks at optimizing. Just look at their track record.

[@doguila]

4k/60fps requires 8 times more processing than 1080p/30fps. It's not that simple

[@JustAnotherGamerUS]

This is the only game I’ve come across so far where I may actually choose quality mode over performance mode on PS5/Series X.

[@mistermidas11]

Lmao I was thinking the same thing. Literally every other game I've played since owning my PS5, I've chosen performance mode. But after seeing this video.... Definetly gonna be using quality mode

[@saucyx4]

Is it that bad? Lemme watch the video

[@JustAnotherGamerUS]

@@mistermidas11 I know, same here! I cannot believe how much of a difference there is in this game. I wonder if it’s telling for future game releases this gen..

[@mistermidas11]

@@JustAnotherGamerUS Nah. I honestly think they were fuckin lazy lol. There's no reason for it to be THAT huge of a difference between the two modes. Hell I just spent over 100 hours playing the directors cut version of Death Stranding, and quality mode almost runs just as well in terms of fps as performance. And performance, almost LOOKS just as good as quality mode. They key....is optimisation. This game doesn't have it at all

[@sawdust8691]

I have been playing it in quality on series x. It's one of the only games that I play in quality mode. But this game is honestly so good that I don't find myself caring too much about the performance options. I just love this game! But I bet they could get the resolution to 1440p at least if they optimized it more.

[@LeandroCunha_85]

The game looks fun, but the technical decisions are weird...

[@gatewayrealtor664]

It was, but you get used to it then it grows on you

[@UberNoodle]

The Dawn Engine was notorious with Mankind Divided for being incredibly resource demanding, on console of course, but also on PC. Why do you think they chose the Dawn Engine for this game rather than the in-house engine used for shadow of the Tomb Raider which has just as much (at least) fidelity and detail but is much more resource efficient and clearly much more scalable?

[@Thicc_Boyo]

Nowadays it's fairly easy to get decent performance on Mankind Divided with a decent PC, but just through sheer brute force.

[@athenian221]

Wait, what?!? They also own the tomb raider engine? That game looks incredible. The last one, Shadow. Good question UberNoodle.

[@SamuraiMerrick]

I imagine it comes down to the team working on this game was probably most familiar with this engine, and another team uses the other engine.

[@Princess_of_hell_1947]

The foundation engine was borrowed from Crystal Dynamics, they just upgraded some components of that engine for shadow of the Tomb Raider

[@jakedill1304]

I was just going to say I've never seen this engine do wide Open spaces before.. but the engine for shadow of the tomb raider definitely doesn't do wide Open spaces, so that might have been the kicker I have no idea what the avengers game was done on but I don't really care about anything about that game LOL so that's that I guess... But I'm also excited to see this engine used again because the tech was really cool, same with Shadow though honestly I mean both are incredibly technically quality, and while I'm pretty sure shadow of the tomb raider it's popularity as a benchmark is because it has a benchmark, it's funny how that works.. yeah that's kind of a question cuz I actually no I think about it I don't think either of them were very open at all, so it might just come down to which one was easier to work on for the game and since mankind divided was already in RPG form from the get-go which is seeming to be the more traditional adventure game formula at this point. K, I'm not going to read into the fact that maybe they were trying to update the engine for another deus ex game cuz we can't have nice things so it's just easier to put them out of your head all together.. Just throwing a hint out for any developer sees this could have benchmark in your game if you want to get free press, technically speaking you have to also have some sort of technology in it that The benchmark benefits in terms of the wider audience and hardware, and that's where Shadow really comes in because it had the RTX shadows, as well as a very quality graph of CPU render and GPU render.. all things that are very useful for players just saying, but you know Free press Shadow is still being used as a benchmark, it's been out for a long ass time but the name is still out there, just saying.. feel free.. also probably helps if it's an accurate benchmark, don't see Red Dead too much because it was a inaccurate benchmark, Very cool that mankind had a benchmark as well which is a fairly accurate benchmark for the game although we never really saw it used as much despite being DirectX 12, possibly because it wasn't as popular of a game.. So you might have to do a whole bunch of things to get that Free press.. but that still don't explain ashes of the singularity being used because that's a benchmark as a game LOL... Which in all fairness, still a better system than fucking 3D mark, rather have a game to play at least in addition to my benchmark.. just saying.

[@katzenjunge5869]

there should be a mode which stays at 4K/30 FPS for cutsenes and slow exploration but automatically switches to the 60 FPS mode in combat.

[@andrewdenato8481]

YES

[@bodacious12]

I've always wondered why this isn't a thing for more games. Only a few do this, such as both splatoon games

[@cool_and_nice]

I keep doing this manually, would def help if they just made it a setting.

[@aoikemono6414]

I would stay in 30fps just because the game looks awkward at 60. It gets even more cartoony looking.

[@ryanod9845]

Was just thinking of that exact thing while watching the video.

[@MacikSeba]

More games should do Rachet and clank..which is 40fps in 120hz mode. Feels super smooth, low input delay and keeps 4k.. devs need to wake up.

[@MisterReen]

Downside it that this is just usable for player with a 120 hz tv. For Multiplattform title this won’t be their main priority, while for exclusives there is enough room for such special graphic modes.

[@MacikSeba]

@@MisterReen 120hz is one of the consoles selling points... if someone is getting next gen console without planning on upgrading their display then that's on them. It's unfair that those who upgrade should be missing out.

[@TANuclear]

@@MisterReen just drop it to 30 for low hz displays and keep 40 as lowest standard. Problem solved

[@hassosigbjoernson5738]

@@MacikSeba "It's unfair that those who upgrade should be missing out" Consoles are mostly for TVs. Show me a 75 inch 4K OLED with 120 Hz that is broadly available since 2019 ... "120hz is one of the consoles selling points" ... not selling point, it's advertisement! The Reality is: Neither PS5 nor Series X are capable of constant 60fps in standard resolution (1440p, 4K) with the advertised Raytracing in most games! Dirt 5, Forza Horizon 5, Spiderman, Guardians ... not even close to 4K 60 (not to talk about RT). 120Hz means 120 fps. In this games the consoles deliver one fourth of it when you set "next gen graphics" as a standard (which is not 1080p). And 40 fps in Rachet and Clank still is very poor when the old game on ps4 had like 30 fps.

[@MisterReen]

@@hassosigbjoernson5738 ratchet and Clank Rift Apart was great on Ps5. A stunning showcase. The 60 Fps RT mode was the sweet spot. For the 4K resolution 40 Fps played out very nice as well.

[@Guernicaman]

Eidos Montreal would be wise to add a 3rd visual option - one where cinematics run at 4K 30 fpses, then drpps to 1080p 60 fpses during combat. That way, it plays quick & smooth when engaged in fast-paced action, while looking crisper & sharper during slower moments. Maybe call it "Dynamic Mode" or something. Maybe in a future patch?

[@ClapperDan]

Gears 5 did this on Xbox One X and DF said the transitions were jarring. I think Battlefield Hardline also did the same and they said the same thing so I doubt it will be any better of a solution now than it was those years ago

[@leviharris6944]

This game really surprised me. It was so under my radar and not something I would normally enjoy, but I'm currently loving it. Got it on Series X and I don't really notice the performance hits because everything else is so good.

[@bigdb4755]

Same, bought on a whim. Gameplay is okay but story is great and hilarious with some choices. Music is awesome too.

[@TheAilmam]

That's what you call gaming! You enjoy the game instead of being too technical about feetpersecond 😜

[@DuplexCherry]

Maybe you don't notice because of vrr lol

[@leviharris6944]

@@DuplexCherry That's exactly it

[@briengakaplan-b1550]

Just picked it up for $25 bucks over Black Friday, same here. Playing on Series X this is one the best games I've played this year. And it looks great even in performance mode.

[@pj1995____]

Performance mode should have been 1440p with 60fps IMO

[@supersamuel64]

I know there playing it safe with 1080p ps5 and series x and do more

[@chuckmayhem1991]

In a video that you’re watching them not hold 60, at 1080p with lower settings, you want 1440p60. Get a PC.

[@pj1995____]

@@chuckmayhem1991 they should have optimised the game better but I don't want a PC for gaming, I have a ps5 and a series s for that, obviously PC is better but I don't want to pay like 4 grand just for PC gaming

[@samdixon3719]

@@pj1995____ my 5700xt runs it at 60 fps at 1800p and with amd sharpening it simply looks 4k, that pc cost me 900 bucks last year 4 grands would get you a nasa pc

[@pj1995____]

@@samdixon3719 I was being flippant haha

[@tysonq7131]

I'd love to be a fly on the wall during the meeting between Crystal Dynamics and Squenix where they decided to make this single player with no MTX. "So, will you let us make a video game this time?" "...Fine."

[@dwaynepereira9765]

Crystal didn't make this game. It was only Eidos Montreal who developed it. (Squares other studio)

[@asheleydavies]

I'm not sure 1080p was necessary to hit 60fps. Perhaps not enough time to optimize?

[@xilonqmb]

That seems likely.

[@harshsharma03]

@Lov Mir wtf was that sentence.

[@brokeashellgaming999]

@Lov Mir if you think a ps5 or series x can outperform an rtx 3070 you are very very mistaken

[@ps61762]

@@brokeashellgaming999 Xbox series X can outperform 3080 easily.

[@brokeashellgaming999]

@@ps61762 lol what have you been watching series x can't even outperform a 2080 super.

[@Jambobist]

Seems like a much bigger difference between quality and performance modes than in most other games, wonder if they ran into a particular bottleneck when aiming for a higher frame rate?

[@samclark3370]

The bottleneck is they don’t know how to optimize. This is embarrassing. Runs worse than Cyberpunk.

[@Farat9622]

It's probably an optimization problem.

[@weaverquest]

Yes it doesn't make any sense that with quarter the resolution and further drops in graphical settings they barely could get double the frame-rate. Probably an engine issue.

[@mr_world_wide]

Bottleneck in the engine due to the density of the environments , that's what I'm guessing ,

[@Farat9622]

@@mr_world_wide That might be it. They are using the Dawn engine that is a heavily modified Glacier 2 engine that was used in Hitman i believe.

[@asmodeusml]

To be fair the difference in image quality is not that dramatic when you play on a TV from a normal viewing distance.

[@shap7296]

Yeah no cap I couldn’t tell it was running 1080p but still had frame drops below 20 in later chapters

[@ahumeniy]

I've seen recently that people are buying gaming monitors for playing console games, in a desk probably too. so the "plying (console games) on a TV from a normal viewing distance" stuff is not always true anymore

[@asmodeusml]

@@ahumeniy some people were doing that long before this generation. But they were and always will be a minority. As a proof of that look no further than Sony not supporting 1440p on their consoles.

[@MoonshineBeforeSunshine]

So, we get PS4 Pro's typical visual & performance settings, but for PS5 & Xbox S X. These settings are not acceptable for the current-gen consoles which have now been around for a year.

[@earthisfat6184]

They need a mode in this game that uses quality mode when exploring and Performance mode when combat starts

[@p3wx4]

PS5 and XSX not holding 1080p60 screams lack of optimization. There's no other way to put it.

[@marshinz5696]

As a PC User I don't understand why 1440p is almost never used on Consoles. It's a great Middleground. Also, as a VRR Display owner on PC I think Sony has to get off their asses and Add it in. PS5 is almost a year old. VRR is great.

[@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe]

Most games use 1440p as the performance mode. But yeah they always target native 4k for some reason.

[@jediisawesome]

I really hoped they pulled off 1440 at 60. I end up looking cinematics at 4k and playing at 1080. Fortunatlyy samsung does a good job upscaling for once. And maybe it s because i am getting used to 60, but 30 looks weird on this me compared to other games this year. Don t move the camera too much

[@BLitzRunner77]

Ps5 doesn't support 1440p which is probably why it's not on Xbox either. A shame on Sony's part.

[@jediisawesome]

@@BLitzRunner77 the XS logo is misleading on this game on my opinion. It is not truely optimised. Just adapted.

[@ThibautMahringer]

@@BLitzRunner77 PS5 doesn't support 1440p output, but it could perfectly run a game at native 1440p and then upscale to 4K / downscale to 1080p

[@chalpua8802]

@@BLitzRunner77 Not how this works.

[@override7486]

@@BLitzRunner77 LOL, you think game's changing entire console output resolution when in-game pixel count changes? There's such thing like scaling, down-sampling etc. Game is running whatever set/DSR and it's resized (up or downscaled) to screen resolution (4K I guess), which is fixed. It's not PS1 era with resolution/refresh changes with every game or scene. LUL

[@BestGameLoadouts]

The game looks very detailed and dense, optimizing for a 1440p 60 must have been in fact tough

[@corncorny5963]

Perhaps but would have been nice to have it as an option even if it was unstable for those with vrr displays. This image quality drop is rough.

[@TheSoulWithin7]

The bugs and unstablity are definitely detailed

[@thedonzo]

Be great to get a updated video on this since they fixed the fps issues and added ray tracing.

[@oror3751]

Even Cyberpunk run on higher resolution on Series S at the 30 mode it only have and the Series S version is the most stable one on consoles

[@MadX8]

There is no Series S version of Cyberpunk though. Waiting for that Next Gen patch. I don't mind 30fps if it's stable and i have good graphics (the Series S is only 299$ so i'm ok with that) but i do think the Series S is able to do better than that. I'm not overestimating it cause it's still far from the PS5/Series X but it can do magic if used properly

[@MikeBisonTX]

There is no Series S version. You're running the Xbox One version at Xbox One settings on a significantly more capable machine. So yes it's understandable to get smoother gameplay.

[@Aggrofool]

Cyberpunk is a last-gen game.

[@khaixa_]

@@Aggrofool It was stuck in-between, and that's what ruined it.

[@spicynachos2762]

Not really tho it can go to 1440p but because of drs it's at 1080p or less

[@mandrews6282]

Says something for the art design I guess. I would have never thought the game was 1080p on Performance Mode. Really great game though and I think it surprised a lot of people. Hopefully Eidos Montreal will push out some optimization patches as we go. I had a couple instances of getting artificially stuck in a corner, sometimes I’d get out and sometimes I’d have to reboot a checkpoint, and it did have a slight feeling that they pushed it out just too early. But nothing major and it runs better than a lot of games we’ve seen recently at release. Finished the game a couple days ago and had a blast. Hope we see more of this as well. Single player experience with no microtransactions, and even no multiplayer at launch. They went all in on the complete single player experience and it’s paid off.

[@410MaXiMuS]

I played through the whole game in performance mode and not once did I stop to think about the resolution. I think people should stop obsessing over this stuff and just enjoy the games. GOTG is an amazing experience.

[@Neothemod]

everything i've heard about this game is that it's very good, making me think that it had just awful advertising. Very glad to see a good comic book game!

[@MyNameIsCav]

Yeah I wasn't planning on picking this up at all based off of the pre-release coverage. Then the reviews hit, I watched SkillUp's video, and bought the game. Well worth it - it's a fantastic game and likely a GOTY contender imo

[@cameronpatterson6295]

For me it's not simply an advertising thing. I'm full to bursting of Marvel and if I weren't I think the MCU cast would have held greater appeal. I might check this out one day but I'm in no rush.

[@Quinten_Shibusawa]

I don't think it was necessarily the marketing. Think it was more the backlash Avengers got. People just didn't trust the game

[@mrwalker6026]

How's the exquisite writing and constant amazing dialogue between character's? Soo 👍

[@crazykenbei]

After the avengers fiasco, people were wary lol.

[@neotricksterzero143]

Both Versions can definitely benefit with a patch or two from what I saw in the videos here. It looks really nice though. I'll probably pick it up on the inevitable Black Friday Sale or Winter Sale as they're nearing the horizon.

[@toribarron5700]

Yeah. This is worth the play. No need to pay full price if you can wait, but don’t forget about it.

[@johnerocketz]

On sale now for $38.99 on Xbox 😃

[@briengakaplan-b1550]

I picked it up for Black Friday for $25, the steal of the year considering it's just a month old, this game is awesome.

[@Z4d0k]

Or play it for free on Game Pass this week :)

[@raffal81]

The only option is not to buy the game, optimizing is a joke. PS5 and XSX don't keep frame rates even at 1080p.

[@neonbible08]

Miles morales gets 60 with ray tracing

[@ThibautMahringer]

@@neonbible08 Insomniac is very very talented, that's why you can get a dynamic res above 1080p with ray tracing and 60 fps

[@fancycavegaming620]

Too bad they couldn't make an on-the-fly resolution toggle right from the controller to just turn on 60 fps whenever you want, presumably during a fight.

[@stingymcduck5450]

No game, on either PC or console, lets you do that. Oh wait, Doom on MS-DOS lets you do it when you hit F5.

[@lllULTIMATEMASTERlll]

Some might say that this is asking too much, but I actually like this idea a lot.

[@concinnus]

Ideally they could have separate settings for fights vs the rest so you could just set them separately and forget it. Plenty of 60fps games have 30fps realtime cutscenes.

[@user-zh7th2ge1c]

Id like to know if they can reach 40fps for 120hz screens like ratchet and clank did. It really alleviated the worst of what 30fps offers while maintaining great visuals.

[@Hijynx87]

Why would you need 120hz for 40fps? A vsync thing? Is that what performance RT is in ratchet?

[@zainmalik9666]

@@Hijynx87 performance rt in ratchet is 1440p 60hz. The quality mode if you have a 120hz display is 40hz at a native 4k.

[@kaleramirez5839]

Just finished the game on my series s. It’s perfectly fine, I saw no jarring issues, the game ran fine and the game itself was amazing. Don’t be ran off or worried that series s will limit gaming. It’s perfectly fine

[@manlykscorpa]

Perfectly fine in 2021 isn't acceptable anymore. Especially with what the last gen consoles did.

[@intrepidomartv236]

@@manlykscorpa because the game is not well optimized

[@syunafrost351]

Or your just insecure about performance issues and the amount of times u said "it's perfectly fine" tells ppl it isn't fine and your ignoring the issues but defending the version for your console.

[@syunafrost351]

@@intrepidomartv236 Well yes thats a main issue and ppl need to know b4 buying instead of listening to insecure fanboys who already bought it.

[@titanium_rocket1505]

@@syunafrost351 You seem to be the only insecure person here. You're mad that he's enjoying a version of the game that most casual players won't notice or care have some cutbacks.

[@Great_obnauticus26]

I generally go for the performance mode when given the option, but this title played just fine in Quality mode and it looked absolutely stellar while doing so. The loss in fidelity on performance was really, really obvious between the two.

[@XiLock_Alotx]

After 34hrs completion time(I’m very methodical in my sp playthroughs), I can safely say that on a PS5, with a LG C1 OLED that quality is the way to go. I can’t speak for other displays. But on a OLED, quality mode really makes a massive difference. Either way, this game is a BANGER

[@buttermilk5364]

But but dEvS aRe lAzY. /s

[@teddyholiday8038]

I got the Plat yesterday. It’s the first game this gen I’ve played on quality mode. Looks stunning. Performance mode is a blurry mess.

[@lepricon87]

I could never change the fps for a higher resolution. For me it looks great in performance mode.

[@teddyholiday8038]

@@lepricon87 it’s a 1080p low quality blurry mess in performance mode and doesn’t stay at 60. Dips to 40

[@brunoleclerc4768]

I’m very happy that devs include 60 fps modes in their games now, I hope it’s gonna stay this way for years to come.

[@Doc_Valparaiso]

I look at it more like 60fps is standard since it's been the baseline for PC gaming for over a decade now. 30fps modes are strictly for showcasing visuals and fidelity. Current-gen boasts 120fps and has hit it in more games than I would've thought prior to the start of this gen. So, I can't see going back to 30 being normal from here on out.

[@MMTT7sALd]

Most likely will

[@gtavshortclips4740]

I think more games will be 30fps in the coming years when graphics will be better

[@MMTT7sALd]

@@gtavshortclips4740 it'll most likely just be what it is now they'll give you the option performance or quality mode

[@scottd7222]

@@gtavshortclips4740 why though

[@richardtucker5938]

I do wonder sometimes, if DF would start to overtly do both full tech and full game reviews. I can feel them combining light reviewing into the tech videos. But i'm sure Tom would like to just review the games themselves too.

[@robsmall6466]

Tech info in game reviews should be mandatory. How can massive frame rate drops not affect gameplay for example? Or crashing? So why doesn't IGN include it. Simple. A "review" on IGN ( and others ) is nothing more than an advert. Companies know full well the average consumer will see the review first and then make the purchase. Wouldn't want the little technical details getting in the way would we?

[@alanlee67]

@@robsmall6466 well it has its ups and downs. I think df fawn over games like RE8 because the tech is good but the game was extremely underwhelming for me.

[@GameslordXY]

@@robsmall6466 I don't think console gamers are as sensitive to it as much as PC gamers are. Some are,most don't care. At least not enough to stay away from consoles. And how much do you think that should affect the score in the era of performance paches. If game had massive drops,more often than not,I am sure reviewers would mention it.

[@robsmall6466]

@@GameslordXY But they are NOT mentioning it. Check out IGN's 7 min review of Guardians or Nintendo Life's review of Pillars of Eternity. Far too many are not mentioning it. I wonder why? Maybe because they are not "reviews" but glorified paid for adverts

[@TheRockHardKeg]

@@robsmall6466 dude chill out. They don’t mention it since not everyone cares about that stuff or even has the tools to measure it objectively like DF does. Let’s stop with the “X are sellouts” just because they don’t produce the content you want.

[@lykan2]

I started in Performance mode but switched half-way into the game, not using 4k in this game feels like a crime.

[@lepricon87]

For me it's the other way around.

[@lalo38th41]

FPS over resolution anyday.

[@Crimsongz]

60 FPS over 30 FPS. This ain't the PS4 era.

[@NottAdam]

I've been playing it for about 6 hours now on Performance on a 4k TV and honestly didn't even know it was 1080p. Still looks great.

[@TheUnrealPirate]

I can't help but feel maybe TAA has overdone it blurring on the performance mode. I hope devs find an alternative soon.

[@swayamkrishnan8273]

This is what The Avengers should have been

[@Paz-jv3rj]

:)

[@matjakobs8612]

What do you mean? Both games are trash

[@The6amingDude]

@@matjakobs8612 Nah, Guardians is a great game regardless of it being 1080 on consoles. Although, it is a bit odd considering optimisation on PC was perfect for me.

[@chromezephyr8959]

@@matjakobs8612 gotg is a good game

[@destroyermcw626]

I love avengers way too much especially the different characters and Progression style to each of them and upgrading stats and becoming OP and tanky while having free content and more coming with the already 4 Campaigns and Endless Multiplayer with The cool combat in which I see other players including me knowing how to fight. But GOTG is fine to though as I’ll use that as a new character since we can only be one and Enjoy the Story and new play style

[@d1jal]

I enjoyed this game way more than the movies. I didn’t have the weird yikes moment like I did with Avengers with the faces.

[@mwdavis77]

I'm going to finish a couple other games and then come back to this one. Hopefully it will be patched for better performance by then.

[@TurkeysLeg]

Didn't ask

[@qwaszxe]

@@TurkeysLeg 🤣🤣🤣

[@LRon-ef7ni]

I’m finding that I’m picking the quality modes in games nowadays. Especially when there’s so much density that’s sacrificed

[@tHeWasTeDYouTh]

I wish the Avengers game by Square Enix had been like this Guardians of the Galaxy game! The games as a service ruined the Avenger game, what a huge loss. Also Deus Ex was stopped because of that live service game so that is another strike. Please support these single player games because we need more of them .

[@MegaCygnusX1]

Playing on PC, this game is my surprise of the year. Raytracing is impressive as well.

[@Yaakkoop]

How's performance?

[@sonsolar]

I'm not seeing a huge difference with RT on other than the Lowe frame rates.

[@a7madRyan]

I 100% this game is super good and fun to play

[@yeppyepp111]

Specs ?

[@johnsacks7398]

@@Yaakkoop with a 3070, settings maxed out with raytracing and dlss, I’m getting an average of around 80-90 fps at 1440p. I couldn’t make 4k work without reducing too many settings for my taste.

[@adamkallin5160]

"Last and definitely least, Peter Jason Quill" is a brilliant line in the context.

[@michael-jamescaroline9366]

Enjoying GOTG on the PS5. The devs proved most doubters wrong. Anyway, it’s nice to have Marvel games that doesn’t follow MCU of have it forced upon us

[@malazan6004]

Yeah after the avengers they needed to prove themselves

[@HegoDamaskII]

@@malazan6004 They devs are completely different for Avengers and GOTG, Avengers was Crystal Dynamics, GOTG was Eidos-Montréal.

[@Ddarke11]

02:16 The biggest achievement is getting that perfect 80s hair.

[@stephenaguiniga7960]

I still thought the game looked dope in performance mode. But I agree I’m surprised they had to drop it by so much😊

[@Wultuswuffel]

1080p60, the result of poor optimization. next gen hardware means nothing if devs don´t use it well.

[@cynthiaandoh9575]

Yes

[@NateTheToast]

In certain games on console, but especially in this game it would be awesome if for cutscenes and exploration it would be in quality mode but in combat it could switch over to performance mode.

[@vulcan4d]

The downgrade on series S is not acceptable moving from 50fps to a locked 30fps. What is the point of VRR?

[@FlipFlopGod]

The series s just isn’t a good console, I predicted this. The game is poorly optimized, but the series s still just doesn’t have the power to back it up

[@cynthiaandoh9575]

@@FlipFlopGod that doesn't mean it isn't a good console. It is, it's just that this game is unoptimized. It literally has the most powerful nexen consoles running at 1080p 60. For $300 it's way better than a switch

[@dtf.editzz]

@@cynthiaandoh9575 and the series s usually runs 1080p60 on other games

[@griffgames9538]

VRR is great, but you can't depend on it as a crutch to achieving strong performance as the installed base of console gamers with VRR displays remains too small at the moment. Besides, this is console, not PC. VRR/freesync rocks on PC because there's a million different possible specs. With console, you have a highly defined/predictable spec that you can and should optimize towards. As a baseline.

[@cynthiaandoh9575]

@@dtf.editzz Yeah

[@youssautomata]

I was hoping for that sweet 1440/60 mode that we get on most games 😢

[@wh5027]

1440 should be the starting point on the new machines, even Series S. We definitely shouldn't be dipping under 1440 on the Series X and PS5.

[@duck7642]

games like this should let you choose the visual settings for gameplay itself and cinematics if they’re rendered in real time to let the combat fee smooth and let the cinematics feel cinematic obv.

[@fishy9080]

For anyone playing on a LG C1 you can use Smooth Movement - Motion clarity feature outside of game mode and it works pretty well in this game (on Series X you’ll need to disable VRR). I’ve been playing the first few hours on the 4K 30 option and has been great experience. Appears closer to 60 fps most the time when exploring / cinematics but input still feels like 30fps. Something to test out for yourself to see if it work for you👍🏻

[@malazan6004]

It dims the screen a lot

[@singularonaut]

Yeah, I enjoyed playing RDR2 on PS4 pro on Samsung au9000 at 4k with clear motion and outside game mode feeling like 60fps, but sometimes you can see artifacts, but it's better than juddering. Input lag goes from 10ms to 30ms still nice and much more pleasant than cloud gaming))

[@ThibautMahringer]

Doesn't that introduce input lag and Motion artifacts?

[@TANuclear]

@@ThibautMahringer yes it’s not worth it

[@fishy9080]

@@malazan6004 whoops I meant to say the TruMotion feature - you are right Motion clarity feature is just Black frame insertion that will dim the screen. I do not use BFI on this game. I only use TruMotion - Smooth Movement setting

[@swayamkrishnan8273]

Game looks gorgeous but it isn't optimised very well.

[@teddyholiday8038]

Bingo. Optimized terribly on console. A 2070 Super on PC averages 72 FPS at 1440p and everything MAXED there is no excuse for 1080p low settings on console

[@samdixon3719]

idk what ur talking about, runs insanely good on my pc

[@teddyholiday8038]

@@samdixon3719 it’s amazing on PC, terribly optimized on console. GPUs weaker than the PS5 and XsX run the game maxed at 1440p over 60fps on PC

[@samdixon3719]

@@teddyholiday8038 i agree

[@teddyholiday8038]

@@samdixon3719 when I see how amazing it runs on PC, I just don’t understand why consoles need 1080p and low settings for 60fps

[@ouederninizar5422]

Ratchet and Clank 1440p , Ray traycing, locked 60 FPS ,higher texture ,......!!!?

[@LucidCoder]

Think about this: game runs 1080p60 on Series X and 1080p30 on Series S. That implies Series X is only twice as powerful as Series S. This is not the case by any metric. And changing from 1080p to 4K is more than twice as demanding. They could do better than 1080p60 on PS5 & XSX if they spent more time optimizing.

[@afaqahmed43]

i wonder why they didnt implement a dynamic resolution technique to address some of the quality compromises instead of just solely depending on taa at 1080p

[@MikeBisonTX]

Video hasn't even been up for a full minute. Brand slaves in the comments : "Another win for my console"

[@kaozspartan9289]

Any other situation. PC Elitist: PC Master race

[@KillerZxAce]

No one wins with 1080p modes

[@MikeBisonTX]

@@KillerZxAce Agreed. 1080/60 for next-gen is sub-par. Should be 1440 at least. Or some type of dynamic in that ballpark.

[@neorickio]

runs like a butter on PC, and I'm loving it, really good game.

[@Owen-uk3sj]

60Fps in this game are so blurry even on a 1080p monitor.

[@OblivionDust2719]

Very noticeable

[@WH250398]

@@John-core 1080p with temporal anti alliasing can look horrible. Crash Bandicoot 4 on ps4 has the same setup, and it looks very blurry.

[@haseoboi9433]

Maybe because it's a monitor? Consoles works better with TV rather than monitors.

[@DarkP1]

the TAA does hurt image quality, idk why dev likes to use it.

[@hypno18s]

@@haseoboi9433 Not entirely true. I use both and most times monitors usually look sharper. But than again I use a 1ms Monitor.

[@xtrasweet8890]

it defaults to 60fps (performance mode) JUST keep it there, the smoothness/jump for 30 to 60 is so much better ...30 fps is jarring once you experience higher fps

[@Aristowi]

The difference between quality and performance modes is huge, however I can adjust to lower quality visuals and still be impressed but I can never get used to low framerate and stuttering camera movement. 1080p seems surprisingly low when performance mode in other games go much higher but at least we have the option. 4K 30fps looks good for screenshots but in motion it ends up being worse, all that stutter makes it hard to appreciate the high res textures anyway and trying to aim that way is no fun, which is the main concern for me: I rather a more fun game than a more impressive one, the sacrifice was pretty intense, especially comparing to what Insomniac did with Ratchet and Spider-Man with the Ray Tracing 60 fps modes.

[@michaelzomsuv3631]

This isn't 1080p at all. This looks like 900p if not 720p lmao.

[@fmj1337]

That 1080p cap for 60fps sounds disappointing. On PC with DLSS I'm sure you could manage better, clearer image quality with the same 60fps performance.

[@theoldpcgamer77]

The rtx 2060 at 1080p no dlss runs over 60fps at ultra settings and never dips under 60fps. The console versions look and run like hammered dog crap.

[@paul1979uk2000]

@@theoldpcgamer77 You have to wonder what's going on then because the PS5 and Xbox Series X should be hitting 1080p/60 max setting and maybe even 1440p considering how it runs on the PC.

[@theoldpcgamer77]

@@paul1979uk2000 It's an Nvidia sponsered game and runs better on Nvidia gpus on pc. Consoles are AMD so yeah.... Complete reverse of AC Valhalla that ran way worse on Nvidia gpus.

[@paul1979uk2000]

@@theoldpcgamer77 True but it gives the developers a bad rep when their games don't run that great on consoles, in this day and age it makes sense to optimize for AMD hardware because of the consoles and AMD hardware on the PC, regardless of what bribes Nvidia sends developers ways, that is just hurting gamers.

[@theoldpcgamer77]

@@paul1979uk2000 Nvidia are the number one and best gpus in the PC space. They bought about ray tracing to gaming. I have no interest in gimped AMD stuff. Console gamers hardly know what is good or bad in general apart from the tech savvy ones who watch DF. Most console gamers just play whatever and don't care about how well it looks or runs. I've known plenty of dumb console gamers who just don't care and have no idea about anything they just play their games which is fine. I don't want every game with compromised RT like AMD games i want balls to the wall Nvidia RT and DLSS in more games.

[@BoomerBends]

Sounds like optimization issues across the board here. Guess I'll buy this for the Xbox Series X instead of my PS5. Hopefully they'll be able to patch both versions to get them running better.

[@PIOVRAME]

Vrr for the win. Gorgeous feature

[@helloguy8934]

When a game is performing a bit better on the series x. You know the developers did something right.

[@Jaykurosakii]

@@helloguy8934 biased Xbox fan

[@helloguy8934]

@@Jaykurosakii The xbox is a faster machine though. If it's performing a bit better than ps5. Then that should be par for the course.

[@Jotevil]

@@helloguy8934 Not really, the game is all wrong, is it poorly optimized, or do you consider 1080p60 as normal?

[@Suavellous]

If digital foundry never did this video, would any of you have even noticed or said this game doesn’t look amazing. Has it stopped this game being massively fun…no and no! I’m all for DFs videos and this is in no way a pop at them. But ppl just seem to be forgetting about how they feel playing the game. Sure if there are massive differences between two platforms or glitches found, then that’s great and devs can work on the fix. But graphics aren’t everything. Honestly, if I’m playing a game, really into it….I can’t tell the difference between 1080 and 4k…because it still looks amazing and I’m too busy enjoying and playing the game. Ppl need to start concentrating on enjoying their games again. This game looks glorious. Great video by DF, just wish more ppl that watched these videos were just happy about the tech analysis more than “why isn’t it 4k”.

[@hotjoe-wl8gc]

I am not sure if you are up to date. I got this game today with the Gamepass on Series X. Actually it has now three graphic modes: Quality, Performance and Raytraycing. For me personally interesting to know is what resolution has the Raytracing mode? Can you do a newer video of this game and explain the changes??

[@aseretto015]

Why they go down from 4k to 1080p at 60fps, I have a gtx 1070 that has half the power of an xbox series x and I can literally play in 1080p everything in ultra at approximately 85/90 fps and if I go up to 4k 30fps with some things high or medium, and if I use fsr I achieve 60fps in 4k quality mode, as is possible for a machine with twice the power to give me 1080p 60fps, a shame to be honest, at least they had to put 1440p

[@neilranson4185]

Great game aside it’s not a acceptable to my mind that a tripple A game raises on next gen hardware in the mode most people will pick at 1080p. Iv been playing way above that res on my ps4pro for years now. We know these consoles are strong enough to do more just look at ratchet and clank or Spider-Man, 60fps but pushing arguably more detail around with Ray tracing

[@ZackSNetwork]

Not true most PS4 Pro games ran at 1200p checkerboard resolution upscaled to 4K with low quality textures at 30fps.

[@codyadams3051]

@@ZackSNetwork most game either ran at 1440p native or 1800-2160p checker board on ps4 pro at 30 fps as you said. There were exceptions that reached better frame rates like doom eternal of course. The only games that ran natively on ps4 pro but didn't reach even 1440p at 30fps were games like cyberpunk 2077 and control which were super demanding and rather poorly optimized.

[@MB-dq2gz]

The majority of PS4 pro games are checkerboard you've just been drinking the kool-ade.

[@ZackSNetwork]

@@codyadams3051 Not true 1200p checkboard was the target of the majority of PS4 Pro games. While the Xbox One X targeted 1700p at 30fps. Which is also why a lot of PS4 gamers said the PS4 Pro was not really worth it especially if they did not have a 4K TV.

[@wboumans]

Indeed I don't hope 1080p 60 is the new 30 on last gen.

[@BuffTaco]

Performance tanks on long playthroughs especially at the end of the game on performance mode on series x it looked like a slideshow a restart fixed it

[@franciscofarias6385]

That's strange, it seems like there's a memory leak somewhere maybe? If this is the case patches should fix it

[@Ozzyozzysheesh]

How often should I restart ?

[@malazan6004]

Yikes

[@kotic33]

@@franciscofarias6385 there was a patch recently, at least on steam, which addressed memory leak specifically

[@vectoralphaSec]

@@franciscofarias6385 someone didn't null a pointer somewhere.

[@thatryeguy6145]

After hearing the new guy do his first video yesterday, I appreciate Tom's voice and delivery that much more.

[@LeoxDLUZ]

It was his first day, y'all have no chill lol

[@Kinggoken]

The new guy needs more practice

[@youtindia]

It was okay, certainly not bad. With some time he will be good.

[@starkravingmad31]

I honestly can't tell the quality differences between the two modes until they're specifically pointed out to me, but I definitely notice how much smoother performance mode runs.

[@justinsimoneau5140]

I can notice a bit but I notice the difference in fps much more

[@jjsavior]

You guys think you can speed up your tech reviews to come out BEFORE the game is released. That way we know when to hold back on buying a game? I am enjoying the game, but would have enjoyed it more had I known to wait a month or two for patches. Also anyone else notice a faded look whenever there is a white light source in the game. I've also noticed this in some gameplay videos.

[@carpetfluff35]

Obviously that's not always possible thanks to time, not getting the code, not having the lastest patch etc. If you're that worried about how about you don't buy a game you're unsure about day 1 and wait 'til you've seen what you needed to see before you buy it? Also, most tech reviews would be covered by the same embargo that actual game reviews are, so if the embargo is launch day they couldn't post it earlier even if they'd got it done.

[@kghhgkgk6322]

I'm near the end of the game on the series x and frame rate frequently reaches SINGLE DIGITS. It's unbelievable

[@dtf.editzz]

🧢

[@robhiro]

It looks stunning in 4k 30. I would prefer 1440p 60fps tho. 30 feels stuggish

[@terminator2348]

30 is a no, no for me.

[@diecubo]

Stop conforming with 30fps, 30fps isn’t good enough anymore taking into the account the prices you pay for a next gen console now a days.

[@The_Ostrich]

@@diecubo Naahh, 30 is better, 60 feels too unnatural and slugish

[@lukemorris9066]

30fps on next gen is a complete joke even the series s sound be 1080p at 60 as for the ps5 and series x ... 1080p at 60!!??!! There kidding right??

[@1meen1]

@@diecubo if only you knew what consoles cost before, your comment isn't really saying much. Lol.

[@BooBanana]

I can’t believe how much I love this game! I’m not even really a fan of the movies.

[@ramesses8887]

Yeah me too. I'm not really into Mavel/Superhero movies but I am loving this game. A great single player story game

[@BooBanana]

@@ramesses8887 100% agree! They’re my favorite type of game.

[@Paz-jv3rj]

:)

[@paulibabba5566]

Yeah the writing is good and the gameplay loop is fun

[@BooBanana]

@@paulibabba5566 the writing is what surprised me the most. It’s really well done.

[@edulinares7152]

Wow, looks pretty clear to me that the 60fps mode was not properly optimized at all, the priority went entirely to 4k mode.

[@r4iv3n_ITA]

Will you analyze new ray-tracing mode?

[@pompeymacca28]

DLSS is a game changer my rtx 2070 laptop can run this at 1080p max settings including raytracing and hit between 60-80fps.

[@Luiz48000]

My rtx 2060 super is running way better than ps5 😂

[@pompeymacca28]

@@MichaelM28 spec for spec the ps5 outscores the 2060 regardless off price but with technology like DLSS it means the older graphics cards shouldn't become as redundant as quick as they usually do which as you point out due to costs is a very good thing.

[@arij.hoffman9446]

I'll definitely be playing the game at 4k 30. The graphics look amazing. I do have one question do you know when they will release the raytracing mode and at what resolution. Thanks.

[@adrianramirez8516]

Ray tracing will def not be on 4K if it even offers it

[@crazykenbei]

That raytracing mode sounding more and more like a PC exclusive going by the video analysis here lol.

[@adrianramirez8516]

@@crazykenbei yeah consoles aren’t that strong to run 4K ray tracing. It’ll probably run at 2 FPS

[@crazykenbei]

@@adrianramirez8516 yeah the company pretty much lied. They were saying it was going to be a 4k 30 fps, a 1440p 60 fps and a 1080p 60fps ray trace mode 😂

[@arij.hoffman9446]

@@adrianramirez8516 your absolutely right! It would probably be more like 1080p 30 with raytracing. That would suck.

[@Frankenwookie]

I’ll be playing quality mode. Visuals are to good to miss out on.

[@JudgeFudge57]

That's always my way to go. I only switch on performance once I finish the game to make trophy hunting more enjoyable or just to free roam.

[@casaldana]

Are you considering doing a follow up now that a new RT mode has been added? Would like to know if it's worth using over the quality mode.

[@leonfrancis3418]

5:14 This question doesn't seem to be answered throughout the video definitively. For anyone with both consoles the easy answer seems to be Series X on performance mode. Runs smoother at 60 fps, has access to VRR, Dolby Vision Gaming, and Dolby Atmos. Hopefully the PS5 version sees a patch for its frame rate issues, as I'm sure without VRR, you're feeling all of them.

[@MerrillDragonAge]

Why obsess over graphical fidelity?

[@LayerZlayer2000]

Playing on ps5 in 4k60fps right now i love that game 😍

[@nerowalker7530]

there is no 4k 60fps mode in this game 😐

[@LayerZlayer2000]

@@nerowalker7530 not sure about that 👀

[@davidpelaez7176]

@@LayerZlayer2000 its 1080p lol

[@LayerZlayer2000]

@@davidpelaez7176 jezz nahh

[@samuelsander9101]

great review tom :) really liked your way of presenting :)

[@sotovargasluiseduardo2129]

9:46 even on PC this section right here made my PC drop from a solid 60fps (locked) to around 45 FPS when staring at the distance, what is insane is that even at the lowest settings, staring in that direction still caused a drop, while the rest of the game ran at a smooth 60 fps, I’m guessing that particular section was very poorly optimised

[@noodles9345]

As with most games, especially single player, if you just enjoy the game without staring at pixels I don't see the issue with most performance "problems". Not a shot at digital foundry, they are just providing the information. I mainly direct it towards the comments. Truthfully if you spend any amount of time thinking about a slight fps drop or a resolution setting that you wouldn't even know of if you didn't watch this video, I'd imagine you aren't even really truly enjoying the game in the first place and should just move on.

[@andymontanez56]

I'll hope for patches to improve performance and optimization. When that happens, I'll definitely buy it

[@AegonAD]

Same . 1080p at 60ish is unacceptable at this point.

[@Abrioso]

Eidos Montreal have always made single player games and good ones at that. Once i knew they were making the game I pre ordered it witbout thinking.

[@WH250398]

Not really the smartest thing to do to be honest. I expected the same for Naughty Dog and I got a weird golfing game instead.

[@adriank8792]

It's such a great game. It has some technical difficulties but i'm willing to look past them because the game is so much fun

[@griffgames9538]

VRR is awesome, but you can't depend on it as a crutch to achieving strong performance as the installed base of console gamers with VRR displays remains too small at the moment. Besides, this is console, not PC. VRR/freesync rocks on PC because there's a million different possible hardware spec combinations. But with console, you have the advantage of a highly defined/predictable spec that you can and should optimize towards, as a baseline. Consistent frame delivery should not rely on external display features. It's amazing to iron-out some frame delivery spikes and bumps with VRR, but it makes no sense on console to over-rely on VRR as a crutch to correct it. Optimize first.

[@SOTVT]

So, basically two choices : unstable 60fps at 1080p with low graphics - settings or stable 30fps with native 4k and high settings. Wonders me why there's no motion- blur or per object motion- blur in quality mode. Makes the game look "dry" and stiff. But hey, if you don't like both, just don't buy the game, at least for your SX or PS5. 🤷‍♂️