Horizon Forbidden West - PS5 vs PS4 vs PS4 Pro - Can Cross-Gen Deliver For All Gamers?

[@wendellsilva682]

The fact that PS4's 9 year old hardware can even handle this game without imploding is impressive enough.. Kudos to Guerrilla.

[@MaNameizJeff]

And that just goes to show you that in the last erra we really were at a points where it was the games that were the bottleneck, not the hardware. World size, density, gameplay, npc interactions, everything is limited by the programmers, not the hardware. Next gen pushed a new raytracing feature and sealed in the ability for some higher framerates (something pc has been doing for ages now) and bump the resolutions, but over all we wont see any difference in world sizes, npc activities, story, gameplay, ect.

[@SuperHns]

Well dont forget the 1st game is also still really pretty on base ps4

[@SuperHns]

@@MaNameizJeff it was the hardware bro, the PS4 and Xbox1 were already outdated when they released in 2013....

[@mrn234]

​@@MaNameizJeff Its Always like that but the PS4 still has rubbish hardware from a time AMD just had very bad CPUs

[@hotbananawater9710]

Then you have games like Halo Infinite that's much much smaller than Horizon and can't even run or look good on the base Xbox One or Xbox One S.

[@Randy28CR]

To be honest, the true magic Guerrilla has done is optimizing their engine in such an incredible way.

[@xyfghter99]

It's mainly because they use a lot of static lighting and make smart use of cheaper techniques going for a more cinematic look instead of realistic realtime everthing that doesn't look as impressive even though it is technically more accurate.

[@MaNameizJeff]

Dat decima engine yo

[@jrm956]

Killzone shadowfall was ahead of its time what do mean

[@colinkennedy7115]

Shit game

[@bradbeck2601]

Jealousy is such an interesting human emotion. Most of the time, those experiencing it aren't aware of it. It usually shows itself as hatred or denial.

[@KarlRock]

I’m so surprised by how well the PS4 still runs! I played God of War and Last of Us 2 on PS4 and was really impressed. Now Horizon Forbidden West looks even better on PS4. The lower quality things like moss or draw distance I won’t really notice while running around and playing. Pretty cool 👍

[@rawd1876]

PlayStation franchise always been gem in terms optimization

[@conformistbastard9842]

I still haven't found a reason to upgrade, even to the pro. The difference is not worth the price. I'm not that picky about framerates though, I grew up playing super Nintendo and playstation so it never really has bothered me.

[@darkdiablo1601]

You are wrong, GOW and TLOU 2 and GOT are made specifically for PS4/Pro, this game is just a half baked product for that system, just play HZD again and you can see the fidelity of it compared to this HFW (I just replayed it again and I was shocked at how low res this new game is on PS4 Pro). I'd rather wait to play it on PS5 than play it on PS4, Sony is just wanna juice out more money from their 120m PS4...

[@doubleg100]

Nahi chaiye jii 🤣🤣

[@Mizuno11LoL]

@@conformistbastard9842 I'd say the ps4 pro is worth if u don't own a ps4 already.

[@kresimirmandic3807]

PS4 / PS4 PRO versions of the game are impressive considering targeted hardware. It is great to see how much effort went into the PS5 version as well, Guerilla did an amazing job overall. I love first game and gonna have a blast playing Forbidden West on my PS5.

[@AVerySillySausage]

It's down to diminishing returns in improvements to visual fidelity. These type of cross then games weren't possible even coming from 7th to 8th gen. The different between ps3 and ps4 version of the same game would just be immediately visible without needing any kind of comparison. Then another gen back and "cross gen" games were practically different versions of the game. You simply could not run ps3 games on a ps2.

[@jamezxh]

@@AVerySillySausage that’s because the HW in a PS2 and PS3 are radically different . It’s really simple to scale graphics between the PS4 and 5 because there basically off the shelf PC’s .

[@KillSchwill]

We're kind of in the generation where even the inferior versions of games still look amazing. I'd be interested to see a side by side of HZD vs HFW on PS4.

[@paigelove2666]

Bad comparison (and old comment) but I played H:ZD on PC with maxed settings, and then I played H:FW on an og ps4 and aside from the framerate, the visuals of H:FW are so much stunningly better it's not even close. It's not just the asset quality, it's the art direction and modeling work. Characters feel a lot more like People, there's a lot more use of contrast in environmental visuals, and the camera work in setpieces is even better. H:ZD is great but it feels like just a proof of concept compared to FW.

[@hauntedhotdog]

The work they've done to squeeze those visuals out of the base PS4 is remarkable. Can't wait to play this.

[@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe]

The visuals are good but the game is a Snoozefest.

[@thxextream]

@@JudeTheKZbinPoopersubscribe Awful opinion

[@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe]

@@thxextream people are saying it's just more of the horizon zero dawn formula. And I played that on pc and got bored about 20 hours in. Maybe it's just not for me idk.

[@champ6436]

@@JudeTheKZbinPoopersubscribe yeah i had the same feeling, i really had to forced myself to finish zero dawn, i like the main story but everything else bored me to death and after 20hour i just wanted to speedrun the game and finish the story. there is such a beautiful world but not so much to do in it, majority of the quest are not that great, the progression and rpg aspect too. once you reach medirian after 20h or so of gameplay, you already have some of the best gear in the game and so for the remaining 20hour, i didn't feel any character progression.

[@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe]

@@champ6436 yeah so im probably gonna give this game a miss. maybe ill consider it when its half price or something. if a game can keep me entertained for 20 hours and i pay 30 for it then i would be happy with that. anyways i recently bought dying light 2 and will be getting elden ring as well so plenty to keep me occupied.

[@adamprestidge4775]

The Decima engine is bonkers for how well it scales

[@The1Overmind]

The fact that Digital Foundry can point out so many reductions and differences on the old consoles and it still looks as good as it does is a testament to the devs and their technical prowess.

[@FEWGEE1]

Or a testament to how much developing it for PS4 held back the PS5 version. It can't even manage 4K 60 fps.

[@originalityisdead.9513]

@@FEWGEE1 Native 4k 60FPS is very demanding even on a high end PC. The 9th gen consoles are 1440P 60FPS capable for the most part, there's no way the PS5 is running this game at 4k 60FPS.

[@FEWGEE1]

@@originalityisdead.9513 games like Vanguard can manage 4K 120 fps. 4K 60 fps should be standard this generation.

[@katakouzinos]

@@FEWGEE1 you compare a 5 hour long linear shooter Which looks much worde btw to this good job troll

[@originalityisdead.9513]

@@FEWGEE1 COD vanguard uses DRS and hits lows of 1920x2160 the 9th gen consoles aren't powerful enough to run AAA titles at native 4k 60FPS and for the price that should be expected. If you want native 4k 60FPS then you need a PC and the GPU alone will cost you around 3-4 times the price of a 9th gen console and even then games at 4k are very demanding. HZD on PC at 4k pushes my RTX 3090 to it's limits and it wipes the floor with any of the 9th gen consoles. What you get with the 9th gen consoles is incredible value for money and a huge step up over the shit show that was the 8th generation of consoles.

[@MiamiSunrise]

Guerilla is in an elite class of game development. The talent and quality they bring to these projects is astonishing, especially in regards to having a game be so well made on three prespective Sony consoles and be a pleasure on each one to play. Playstations 1st party is amazing at what they do.

[@GameslordXY]

Naughty Dog are the Grandmasters of PlayStation family in regards to graphics. If anyone can make a truly Next Gen graphics that truly demonstrates PS5 capabilities,it's them. ...or they would be if not for internal problems that caused most of the staff leave the studio apparently.

[@SIPEROTH]

@@GameslordXY "internal problems" is the freaking idiot in chief they appointed that created TLU2. It seems many of the good old developers couldn't get along with him after he got a high position and air got in his head.

[@StuartHinckley]

​@@GameslordXY Yup. I gotta agree with Ching Vang. HFW stole the throne. I've beat them all. This game was on an ENTIRE new level graphically

[@TruTrae]

@@SIPEROTH Do people that say stuff like this realize that Neil was a creative director during the development of the first game?

[@joshp7418]

Choosing between fidelity and performance mode was borderline heart breaking today. Have been back and forth, but have finally settled on performance. I didn't think there would be much of a difference in detail but, it really is noticeable.

[@StuartHinckley]

It's massive. You made the right decision. We'll get 4K60 on PS5 Pro. I'm patient

[@leighmorgan2959]

Exactly the same situation here lol, i also in the end went for performance, ive taken screenshots in both modes and noticed no difference at all in quality yet 60 is just to nice to pass up.

[@griffgames9538]

*The art direction helps the PS4/Pro versions look pretty great* helped by good world design, but the raw density and coverage is so much better on PS5. Really fills out the environments for exploration.

[@dapperfan44]

That's why I keep telling people stop complaining that PS5 is "being held back." No, the _PS4_ version is held back. It's clearly the inferior version and that's OK. Let our PS brothers be able to seamlessly transition in.

[@barioneaccidioso3804]

@@dapperfan44 idk man, you can't really deny it. Can you imagine an Horizon Forbidden West or a God of War Ragnarök developed exclusively for PS5? Really hope GoW will be the last cross-gen first-party title

[@BigmanDogs]

@@dapperfan44 no thats not how it works. The game does at the end of the day have to run at a ps4 which will impact the ps5 version in multiple ways.

[@dapperfan44]

@@barioneaccidioso3804 Yes I can. It'll be the relative graphical equivalent to the following launch titles: Summoner - PS2 Resistance: Fall of Man - PS3 Killzone 4: Shadow Fall - PS4 All three of the above titles I named paled in comparison to the later games the system would see. E.G. the following: God of War 2 - PS2 Last of Us - PS3 Ghosts of Tsushima - PS4 And why is that? Because no one, and I mean no one, can truly fully take advantage of hardware at launch. It's not humanly possible. When you've spent more time with a system and you've learned it's ins and outs, you can pull off some truly amazing feats on the system. Some other late console cycle games I admire are games like Ristar on Genesis (just look at all the colors and unique animations), the Spyro series on PS1 (awesome draw distance technique), and this is more mid cycle but Jak 2 on PS2. We'll start seeing the true power of PS5 within the last two to three years of the console.

[@dapperfan44]

@@BigmanDogs I see a PS5 version running at a solid 60 FPS, and no pop in issues like on PS4. So how was the PS5 version affected?

[@theryan519]

Obviously the PS5 version looks stunning but the fact that Horizon 2 looks that good on a 1.8 teraflop base PS4 is black magic if I’ve ever seen it.

[@vectoralphaSec]

The benefits of developing on a closed system like consoles. It's amazing.

[@defiscanner1927]

agree

[@defiscanner1927]

It looks almost too good for a Ps4 title

[@MegaLoquendo2000]

Kinda like battlefield 4 on PS3 and 360, both systems sport a miniscule 512mb of ram and features like levolution remained intact

[@mrn234]

@@MegaLoquendo2000 Yeah but didnt they had to cut down hard on a lot of other stuff when i remember correctly even on max player 12 vs 12 ... same already in BF3

[@synak1538]

Love how you guys break everything down in such a detailed way!

[@voidvoidvoid7274]

They're legends in the image analysis field, absolute legends.

[@draculathevampire934]

Thanks 😊

[@lordmaster2562]

Lol fail

[@uncleurda8101]

@@lordmaster2562 bro that's so lol out loud i'm rofling on the the floor omg my god

[@Powwpoww]

Every game developer should subscribe to these guys. They even point out flaws in poorly optimised games (mainly for PC of course).

[@Jason-Scott]

Recently completed both HZD and FW on standard PS4 Slim and I was blown away for the age of the console.

[@RainOfAshes]

This game is a love letter to gamers. The whole industry should take note of the attention to detail and care put into making this -- all while the developers were working from home.

[@UmVtCg]

I'm sure they went to the studio in Amsterdam at some point. I've been stuck in enough traffic jams to conclude not everybody was working from home.

[@UserInterface00]

Devs that work on PlayStation platform preforms some sort of magic voodoo. A lot of the single player games are world class in graphics, mechanics, and are award winning games.

[@ThibautMahringer]

It's called optimization and dedication

[@theanimerapper6351]

@@ThibautMahringer I'm sure he knows that and is only calling it voodoo as a form of hyperbole

[@RepublicofODLUM]

They do play it aweful safe as well though, nothing new or groundbreaking in any of them. Which is fine, they make amazing games that are very polished and complete.

[@thewicked1862]

That’s where Sony has Xbox is the Studios Microsoft has very talented people working for them but let me tell you Sony is blessed with Demigods Microsoft will get there one day but never on the caliber this Sony does and this is not a fan boy speaking because I love video games it’s just cold hard facts But Sony made it their main focus for a long time now to deliver nothing but Bangerz that’s why we have what we have and will always that’s the one thing that will keep them on top if anything

[@Dr.Strangelewd]

Graphics, sure. Mechanics? Lol no

[@peterGchaves]

Massive respect for Guerrilla Games. This is such a masterpiece. Only God knows what will they achieve with a PS5 exclusive. I'm really loving this generation so far! 😊

[@GMOTP5738]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@cathalorourke1]

@@GMOTP5738 Halo looks like a last gen game, cringe 😂

[@ZackSNetwork]

Dude really bringing religion into this lol. This generation is currently disappointing due to new console unavailability and increased cross generation support.

[@Mr16emmanuel]

@@GMOTP5738 wrong emoji you should be using the 😢

[@Nerm176]

@@cathalorourke1 your fanboy comment is cringe. In this day and age, how can someone limit themselves to one platform? It’s silly

[@MoonSarito]

It's insane what they managed to do on 2013 hardware, I'm glad to see that the PS4 still manages to deliver a good experience even though it's almost 9 years old, I don't plan on buying a PS5 anytime soon so it's great to see that it still gets some great ports.

[@SuperHns]

Guerilla is master

[@DVRKSTXR]

@@SuperHns *PlayStation Studios Granted, this is Guerrilla’s moment, and they have blatantly showcased once again, but on the largest scale ever for themselves, that they are one of the most impressive game developers with one of the best game development engines in the industry. Bar none. 💯

[@draculathevampire934]

That shows u dont need a 3090

[@damienlobb85]

@@draculathevampire934 AMDs cards are keeping up with the 3090 and even in some instances surpass it. Hence why nVidia felt the need to release even more Ti models.

[@momojafar9385]

@@damienlobb85 lol

[@pommedapi3847]

When you jump from one system to another you can clearly see a difference but the ps4 version looks so good, if you have no comparaison you will never notice the difference. Great work done here.

[@johnxiong6983]

True, when you don't have anything better to compare it to, you don't notice or care about the differences. But once you see how good the game looks on newer consoles, it kinda bugs you because you know you're not getting the best version of the game and it doesn't look as good anymore. But the ps4 version is still great looking nonetheless. I'm playing it on ps5 & I'm probably never going back to the ps4 again after experiencing what 4k & 60 fps feels like with these next-gen games. I love my ps4 and it has served me well for many years but I'm moving on now. I hope everyone can buy a ps5 soon but these ps5 shortages are crazy right now.

[@flockelocke2297]

Such high quality comparison videos like this in 60 fps make Last Gen version's 30 fps framerate always seem better and more smooth than it actually is. PS4 versions are still sick though. Now with the patched peformance mode the best way is to play the game in 60 fps on the PS5 and it's a difference to the PS4, it's way more smooth with a much cleaner look with more details and less pop in and better lighting. For others it's day and night.

[@Rafaellk07]

Many people are reporting that the graphics got worse after the last update, leaving the graphics blurry and with artifacts, could you check?

[@Devon9698]

I'm so excited for release tomorrow. I bought a 65inch Oled a couple months ago and played HZD with HDR on it and I was blown away. I want to see this game in all its beautiful glory

[@KZeni]

Nice! The lighting and the sky system in this game (among so much else) is sure to look incredible on an OLED with HDR.

[@urekmazino6800]

I need to upgrade my tv to oled only have normal 4k 60 fps 50 inch tv

[@starmade9367]

Yeah I have a c1 it looks good

[@KZeni]

@@urekmazino6800 LG has had some nice deals on OLED TVs lately (them really being the leader with Sony then being the upgrade option.) I’ve definitely been tempted (especially with CES being the standard time to transition to the new year of TVs where deals likely won’t get better than that time for the year [last year’s model usually being rather comparable] outside of random/one-off deals.) Meanwhile, Quantum dot OLED (QD-OLED) for a better light efficient OLED and/or mini/micro-LED LCD for LCD to have dimming zones closer to per-pixel lighting (so the two are advancing towards the primary benefit of the other) is now the new carrot to wait for. Now might be a sweet spot where these new forms of tech are pricy and OLED is now reasonably established to be more affordable (also then having better burn-in protection & brighter output than before) as long as you have a space where you can control the lighting as OLED can be a fair amount dimmer than LCD (reducing the light in the room/area then makes that not matter much, if at all.)

[@urekmazino6800]

@@KZeni yeah I'll look around, definitely going to try and look for a 120hz tv and oled as well

[@soraaoixxthebluesky]

The fact that they go as far as layerin an image reconstruction with VRS just to showcase how beautiful and dense the world of Horizon 2 is on a last gen machine is just mind blowing.

[@lakisanghera9872]

a little cool thing ive read... is that the developers artificially made the load screens on ps5 longer... so you have a chance to read the 'quick tips' ... they state you can turn them off.. have have the level load in 4 to 5 secs... well done Guerrilla (for the choice, even) p.s. Great showing D.F. enjoyed this breakdown.

[@override7486]

What? They couldn't implement thing like "press X to play when you're ready", when loading really ends? You have to turn off tips entirely??

[@PerryAndrei]

@@override7486 It does already have that

[@The_Rude_French_Canadian]

I have to press x after loading on PS4 I don’t see why they wouldn’t do the same for ps5 since loading isn’t really that long on base PS4

[@notmedude]

I would expected the pop in to change somewhat. Guerilla provides excellent post launch support and I am sure that within the first year of the release they can optimize the engine even better.

[@travistimms5054]

Massive respect to the developer. To get it to run like that on older systems is impressive. No excuses for devs brining out poorly optimised games on new consoles.

[@HugoStiglitz88]

@Transistor Jump exactly. PS4 limited what this game could've been. It still looks unbelievable but gameplay wise, PS4 held this back for sure just based on CPU limitations alone.

[@jodyboles8208]

@Transistor Jump it clearly wasnt given how amazing this game looks and performs lol

[@jodyboles8208]

@@HugoStiglitz88 how the hell do you know it held it back? you have no idea what they could have done even if it was ps5 only.

[@chrismoore4724]

@Transistor Jump The game started development on the PS4, the game was not held back. This game is cross-gen development done right

[@jodyboles8208]

@Transistor Jump I havnt had hardy any issue and the game been looking just fine. Not sure what happen to your game but I seen it running very smoothly

[@whatchahowsya8688]

It's crazy and amazing to see how well this game runs on base PS4.

[@Dill2G]

With a shit load of pop in which ruins the immersion of the game

[@originalityisdead.9513]

@@Dill2G I've watched a couple of reviews and the PS5 also has texture pop in which is very noticeable. Skill ups reviews shows it and its most definitely an issue across all machines.

[@Dill2G]

@Originality is Dead. yeah its pretty bad the 30fps mode on ps5 isn't as bad as the 60fps mode the 60fps mode has worse pop in then the 30fps mode

[@originalityisdead.9513]

@@Dill2G There shouldn't be any pop in on the 9th consoles so why they're singing it's praises is beyond me. I can't play games at 30FPS it's an eye sore and should have been left in the past where it belongs. Hopefully they can improve the games stability and they should have used upsclaing as when compared to other games that run at 1440P it looks rough.

[@Dill2G]

@Originality is Dead. true my guy this game looks amazing at 30fps but is not playable at that framerate only playable at 60fps but then the resolution takes a massive hit to dynamic 1800p checkerboard people don't realize how bad dynamic 1800p checkerboard actually is

[@xikaryo6735]

The way Guerrilla keeps optimizing this engine is simply incredible. The game looks amazing even on PS4, but it’s really not surprising considering the first game is still one of the prettiest games out there even by today’s standards. It being fully open world makes it all the more impressive. I remember playing Death Stranding and thinking wow, this engine has really come a long way since Killzone: Shadow Fall. Death Stranding’s graphics are unbelievable, and now Forbidden West is here to take the crown again. It’s a massive achievement to pull off these visuals not just for an open world game, but for an open world game that has so much going on everywhere you go in terms of huge enemies on screen, combat, NPCs, wild life, etc.

[@manuelp7472]

The first game wasn't that good in terms of graphics. But the second one definitely is.

[@xikaryo6735]

@@manuelp7472 The first game was considered the best looking open world game for years when it came out, so honestly I don’t think you were following gaming at all back then, because there was no open world game with better graphics until Red Dead 2. Everyone was calling Horizon the most photogenic game ever made. And no, open world racing games aren’t impressive, the maps are vastly empty, which obviously means they could just focus on making detailed car models and nothing else.

[@spartan_a1176]

@@xikaryo6735 thats where forza horizon 5 comes in and look how that game looks

[@xikaryo6735]

@@spartan_a1176 That game is a huge empty world with no AI besides cars, no enemies on screen, no crazy particle effects, no huge bosses on screen, no combat or real interaction with the world besides holding down a button to drive the entire time. This is why racing games never win GOTY either. They’re incredibly basic and Forza Horizon 5 is really no different than any other racing game. It looks pretty because it’s on new hardware, but it doesn’t change the fact that racing games are empty as a whole, and that developers only have to focus on two things: car models and environment. That’s all. The less things are rendered on screen, the more they can focus on one or two things.

[@ChesterMan-qd3xj]

PS5 is obviously the superior experience, but isn’t it pretty amazing what a base PS4 can still do? I think it is safe to say we are beyond the huge graphical jumps we enjoyed from the 16-bit era, to PS One, to PS2, to PS3. Even the jump from PS3 to PS4 wasn’t the jump we were used to. Glad I got to experience that progression as a kid.

[@rannarharmaste9857]

True. While DF geeps saying difference is night and day or order of magnitude. Its not so. They look very similar. You have to paus and take pictures to notice some of those "night and day" differences. We are reaching good enough territory in game graphics

[@ChesterMan-qd3xj]

@@rannarharmaste9857 well said. Their analysis, while interesting, is splitting hairs. It’s not the leaps forward I grew up with like seeing individual fingers rendered instead of a big block for a hand. Now that was night and day.

[@markandisobel]

@@rannarharmaste9857 you hit the nail on the head with your perfect statement

[@GameslordXY]

@@ChesterMan-qd3xj Such jumps shall never again happen. Maybe in a few games yes,but fir the most part,never again.

[@MrKreisKlinge]

You are right and I generally agree, but the jump is more significant than KZbin compression would have you believe. You really have to play it on a 4K screen to appreciate the insane texture quality on PS5. Not to mention the difference in load times is massive.

[@lyttlefat3393]

You didn’t show the favor performance mode on PS5 that much.

[@briengakaplan-b1550]

Playing this on PS5 right now and it is gorgeous- but if I’d never seen this comparison I’d have no problem playing this on PS4 - they did an excellent job. It’s about 90 percent close to the PS5 version - the things they cut the average gamer would likely not notice.

[@Crashed131963]

Load time , Fast Travel and respawn times are the Ps5s advantages. Also 60 fps rather than 30 fps . 120 fps on a 120hz TV.

[@NomeIndeciso]

Ohmygosh this is such a tremendous relief. I'm still only with a PS4 and I loved Zero Dawn so much. I was so nervous there might be too drastic a drop in quality, so finding out it's good-to-go is just a gift and a weight lifted. Thank you, Digital Foundry for the detailed breakdown

[@Omega-h4e]

Yeah it looks really nice on the base PS4. Enjoy

[@andrealorenzini5099]

You can save those 500 dollars/euro for now

[@reformeddoomer6777]

@@Cxs1a3 yea but where can I find one lol

[@resolvedfate1295]

@@Cxs1a3 Lol you say that. As if they are easy to get. I got one. But ya they will be on low production until 2023 I heard. So majority won’t upgrade until 2024

[@godsson7779]

Definitely glad PS4 owners get to experience this without really really missing out.

[@EJD339]

If anything it makes me excited for the next guerrilla game that will be for ps5 only. Kudos to the developers for this.

[@ThePokestopPapi]

Horizon 3 in 2027 gonna go crazy 🙃

[@SavantGardeEX]

@@ThePokestopPapi Nah probably a new ip

[@Ernburd]

So why is there no mention of how bad this game looks in performance mode?? It ain’t just me, a lot of people like me are saying this game looks not up to par as other first party titles in performance mode. Very interesting y’all did not mention any of this.

[@carstenjensen6728]

🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑 - DF can't afford to be harsh towards Sony......😉 Performance mode is really the only way to play this game, but it looks quite blurry. 30fps feels completely sluggish and not "next-gen" at all.😬 Hope they patch the performance mode eventually.🤞 The same with that 1080p/60fps mode in Dying light 2......... Not really next-gen either ....

[@Rjwubs]

When this game was first announced I didn't think it would be coming to ps4, so when I saw a review upon release, I was super excited to learn they developed it for ps4 as well. Been playing it on the ps4 with a 4k hdr tv and in the first hour I'm just blown away with the beauty this game delivers. I haven't yet gotten into the open world, but the less sharp and detailed textures look pretty great and the pop in isn't very noticeable. I'm super impressed with this game so far. Will edit if that opinion changes

[@HelloMyNameIsZON3]

The native 4k mode looks incredible even up close 🤯 This generation is going to see some absolutely stunning visuals

[@robosergTV]

at 30 fps lol what a joke. Even 60 is too laggy in today's gaming world of 165 HZ monitors and 120 Hz OLED TVs

[@dom4591]

@@robosergTV to me 60fps is the bare minimum today. I can't even play a game in 30fps anymore.

[@MrMrTravman]

@@dom4591 Yeah same, I know DF is recommending 4k30 mode but I just... can't. I wouldnt enjoy it at all.

[@dom4591]

@@MrMrTravman 4K30 modes only look better when you're standing completely still lol. In a game where you move around a lot 60fps is way more beneficial

[@annoyingasshole3324]

@@robosergTV PC port beggars always trying justify how much they spend on gaming.... by trying to crap on consoles lol.

[@Scimarad]

I've got to say I started playing the PS5 version in performance mode because I didn't think I could really stand 30 FPS but on actually getting to open world I found all the shimmer you get in high detail distant environments (which is basically everywhere outside) more offputting. That said, after about 2 minutes in the resolution mode I found I'd got used to the framerate and didn't even notice it anymore. I'll probably give other games a go on the resolution mode now.

[@MrKreisKlinge]

I feel the same. This is the first game on PS5 where I actually prefer fidelity mode. The 60fps mode looks grainy and unrefined in comparison.

[@cangri1788]

@@MrKreisKlinge yup. Same here

[@TrigunV4S]

Coming from playing PC god of war 4K 80+ fps I picked up forbidden west I can’t play on high fidelity 30 fps just feels terrible get nausea 😔 performance mode only way I can play it on a PS5

[@iceman00behave]

@@TrigunV4S Interesting how an additional 30 fps completely cures nausea. Does it also give you energy, and lower cholesterol?

[@frozenduck74]

@@MrKreisKlinge to me it look’s pretty much the same

[@guily6669]

I wish you had tested PS4 Pro with a SSD. In The Division 2 for example makes a massive difference even in visual quality since a lot of stuff in that game can sometimes even take like a minute to load and sometimes a few textures never load and the SSD in my case made most problems go away. I have a 1TB Samsung 870.

[@lutherheggs451]

Why would anyone WASTE money on putting an SSD into a PS4 or a PS4pro? A device actually has to be designed to take advantage of an SSD to really do anthing with an SSD. You don't just get performance boosts with an SSD unless something is designed to take advantage of it and, neither the PS4 or the Pro were designed to take advantage of an SSD

[@guily6669]

@@lutherheggs451 then try it by your self on the division 2... Also it's not a waste since I bought it in promotion for around 90eur and later it will either go to my PC or for my external case to be used for PS5. I don't own a PS5 yet, but as soon as I get my hands on 1 I will put the original HDD on the PS4 Pro and maybe even sell it...

[@DasTechGuy]

@@lutherheggs451 I would REALLY have to disagree with you there. Even a PC that didn’t ship with an SSD back in the benefit from it even though it “wasn’t designed for it”. I added an internal SSD to my Xbox One X and it improves everything from startup, menu transitions, game loading, smoother playback, all of that due to not being held back by a slow mechanical hard drive.

[@alexandregiaccheri]

@@lutherheggs451 you are so wrong lol

[@Arash_ok]

I upgraded my ps4 pro with a 2tb ssd a year ago to get more storage as well as faster speed. The sata port on the pro is twice as fast as base ps4. I think it’s totally worthwhile to put a ssd in a ps4 pro to get more life out of the system while Ps5 comes down in price/gets more storage/pro version/more exclusive games. As far as loading times zero dawn loads really quick on my ssd. I imagine the same is true for forbidden west. But I really wish they did an ssd ps4 pro comparison to see if any of those details they say the ps4 try’s to load actually do with an ssd

[@tetsuoshima2314]

Great job, great video comparison as always. The only thing missing from these types of vids, not just yours either, is the lack of a PS4 Pro w/ an SSD comparison. I feel like many PS4 Pro owners like myself probably have one installed and found it really helps to mitigate load times and pop-in in all games.

[@Arash_ok]

Yes

[@MurderMondays]

Wonderful breakdown, guys. Glad to see the people on PS4 Pro and PS4 will still have a great time with a beautiful game. I have to agree that it is a really interesting "curated" trimming of detail and other settings. I'm sure it was a ton of work for the folks at Guerilla Games and it sure paid off.

[@SIPEROTH]

From this i believe a PS4 user can enjoy the game just fine without feeling his having a completely different experience. So the curating was done successfully.

[@Reanimatedself]

It’s incredible to me that the real time ps5 cinematic shots actually LOOK better than the prerecorded clips on the last gen consoles

[@micnguyen0]

That's to be expected. The PS4 pre-recorded footage is of the PS5 render and then undergone compression so there will be some minor artefacting, as opposed to a real time crisp tender on PS5.

[@zestygeist11]

@@micnguyen0 They might have rendered the ps4 cutscenes using ps4 graphics settings to make trasitions between cutscene and gameplay less jarring.

[@zippy2538]

It's the SSD and io throughput on PS5 it loads the assets and helps the cpu. Hence why the PS5 fast travel is 3 seconds.

[@AlmostLikeHuman]

This looks way better on the PS4 than I thought it would, I might actually buy it now

[@IIISentorIII]

The I *might maybe do it* people are the worst and completely useless in any case!

[@mr.penguin4614]

hats off to guerilla for making such a beautiful title. really incredible to see this game broken down. thanks for the video!

[@tpate123345]

This makes me appreciate both versions even more

[@JamalDolleyGames]

DF's graphics analysis is the best in the world! Hands down without a doubt!

[@Taijifufu]

Good on Guerrilla Games for accommodating everyone. The game looks stunning.

[@AndreFreitas91250]

A small interesting comparison could be also added between PS5 version vs PS4 version running on PS5 vs PS4 version running on PS4 pro with a SSD just to see the differences in loading time and pop in.

[@gamenation93]

Loading times would be less for sure but without being a native ps5 app it will only do so much. As for the pop in, that is a hardware limitation so it depends if they allowed the game to scale up on ps5 with a ps4 disc or if its locked in like some games. My guess is that since its a game on both systems it is locked in to ensure stability. Games like God of War was a ps4 game that got patched. A video test of that would be cool indeed.

[@JudgeFudge57]

Or simply running the ps4 version on ps5 via back-compat. I think it would reduce the loading times by 40% like most games.

[@gamenation93]

@@JudgeFudge57 Correct, however if you insert it in a ps5 you can get the ps5 version for free so the case of ps4 ssd vs hdd males more sense in this case.

[@JudgeFudge57]

@@gamenation93 Yes but for the sake of comparaison it's simpler to use one console for both test cause the ps5 will run the ps4 pro code on the ps4 app meaning that it will have the exact same performance as running the game on ps4 pro with an sdd. Also, for ps4 games on ps5, it doesn't matter whether it's installed on the 5gb/s internal ssd or an external 530mb/s sata ssd. The game will load the same cause it's not optimized for an ssd anyway.

[@gamenation93]

@@JudgeFudge57 Thats true. However the ps5 can still provide a more stable experience that the ps4 might not have been able to do such as hitting the ps4 intended frame target more reliably. Generally yes I agree but for a true safe test for rest its better without it.

[@TKIvanov]

Would've liked a test on the load times on PS4/Pro with an SSD

[@Arash_ok]

Me too and also if it helps with pop in

[@Dextro0451]

Richard: The absolution here is just absolutely absolute! John: Absolutely!

[@GideonCyn]

As a PC "Gamer" for the past ten years I always assumed a rather snobbish position against consoles. What drove me to build a PC in the first place was when i had gotten an Xbox One. I wanted a PS4 but they were nowhere to be found at the time. So I settled with the inferior product, albeit the more expensive one. So, with my next gen hopes and dreams intact, i rushed home with my new console and i just couldnt wait to be apart of it - the next generation of gaming. I bought Battlefield 4 top go with it to really feel and see it and... it was the most underwhelming "next gen" experience i think anyone could ever have. I was so disappointed at the feeble 720p resolution and the low frame rate, even Black flag was in 720p. So, I sold the Xbox and used the money to help build my first PC, it was a very trying experience but I never looked back. Then the PS5 became more readily available last week. I just got one last week, they were available and i had the money so i thought "why not?" and... wow. I was not expecting THAT level of performance. It truly feels next gen and somehow just blows my current PC out of the water.

[@terrythegnome2408]

This is hands down the best optimization in cross gen games. Incredible work.

[@acevedoaandres]

Your comment is simy stupid. Forza horizon 5 runs at perfect, perfect frame rate without looking blurry like this game. Fanboys people looks simply stupid.

[@Ptolemy336VV]

@@acevedoaandres Horizon looks way better and is a much more complicated game. It's openworld and the highest quality graphics there can be. A combination that is extremely rare and can be counted on 2 fingers. Don't ever compare Forza with Horizon, it's a massive disrespect to Horizon

[@sonervisuals]

@@acevedoaandres you are comparing a racing game with an open-world action adventure game, wow congrats

[@Zangetsuuu]

@@acevedoaandres Calling people stupid with your grammar is not a great look even more so calling them fanboys when nobody here was saying anything about Xbox. You made yourself look beyond stupid and contradicted yourself beyond belief. Well done.

[@daniloperina9043]

@@acevedoaandres the cry is free 🤣

[@hunterking572]

Thanks for this. I tend to play my PS4 games on a 1080p screen that's already further away than ideal, and aside from loading times this actually looks like a worthwhile experience.

[@furtalance_x]

I agree. I really didnt think the PS4 version would be that good but i gotta admit. It looks playable.

[@asvphios9996]

I’ve been refreshing KZbin for hours…waiting for this video!

[@Vsevolod3788]

23:34 Proper generational leap? What are you talking about? You can't even tell the difference in most of the shots unless you try to look for these differences!

[@griffgames9538]

Yeah, it's crazy that DF - a game tech analysis channel - is actually spotting those differences! How dare they do what they exist to do! Madness, I tell you.

[@Vsevolod3788]

@@griffgames9538 My point was that is not nearly enough for a "proper generational leap".

[@griffgames9538]

@@Vsevolod3788 I mean, it's inherently a cross-gen game.

[@Vsevolod3788]

@@griffgames9538 And? Look up Forza Horizon 2 X360/XONE. Also a crossgen game but looks radically different on XONE. This is a proper generational leap. In Horizon all the effects are preserved on "last-gen", its only that setting are a bit lower - that's all the difference is. It's not a generational leap whatsoever. Game looks just a tad worse on PS4 not night and day as with Forza 2 for example.

[@griffgames9538]

@@Vsevolod3788 That's probably a credit to Guerilla and Decima's scalability. Remember, this is a prime candidate for a PC version later - thanks to the original Horizon selling well on PC, so HFW is scaleable enough to accommodate low-mid spec PC and still perform well. We must not forget that the dominant PC gamer spec demographic-wise is still a fairly humble average quad/hexa CPU with Rx580 or Gtx 1060/1660 GPU, on HDD or slow SSD, and primarily played at 1080p. The higher end 8/16/32 core + RTX 3080/3090 + ultrafast SSD spec represents a small minority of PC gamers right now.

[@joshmobijohn]

One of my favorite channels on KZbin! I’m always fascinated by the tech breakdowns and love the comprehensive comparisons you guys do. The PS5 version looks incredible and I’m relieved to know that my PS4 Pro can handle one last Sony exclusive with minimal cutbacks.

[@drunkendevil]

I’m surprised how great this runs on a Base PS4 considering the age of the hardware.

[@urekmazino6800]

Things gonna catch on fire starting this game up lol, blast off too china shortly after that.

[@darinherrick9224]

I love that they have to show at half speed with everything insanely zoomed in to show you the difference. For me at home on my projector the difference will be zero between versions. Except maybe that the overly-crisp stop-motion looking effect I've seen on PS5 will be absent on the PS4 version, which is the version I'll be playing. It's nice to know that the version that's most visually appealing (to me) will be the one that I get to play. I don't like overly crisp over-sharpened picture. I prefer my image a little softer. I also don't really like how these extreme frame-rates look (when I notice them at all) so I hope when all TVs and consoles are running at 120fps there will be a way to dial it back down to 60fps for people like me who don't like the way 120fps looks.

[@Althar93]

Brilliant job on Guerilla game's part. The first one already looked amazing but I think they've outdone themselves here. I would be interested to see a video comparing the original HZD on base PS4 with Forbidden West on base hardware also. Take note CDPR, this is how you make a cross-gen title.

[@n.erdbeer]

You can't even remotely compare those games. It's much easier to render hills and vegetation and quite small number of mobs walking around.

[@dasilva2095]

@@n.erdbeer The vegetation on Horizon 2 as more AI than CP mobs 😂

[@n.erdbeer]

@@dasilva2095 that's true but I'd like them to invest more time into a well written storyline, instead of some grass and tree AI :P

[@Ptolemy336VV]

@@n.erdbeer Ehh NO, The complexity and fidelity of Horizon FW is way WAY higher than Cyberpunk. Are you kidding? A moss patch in Horizon FW has more polygons than a whole building in Cyberpunk. As buildings are straight lines and simplistic shapes. And that's only where it starts.

[@SamoyedSagas]

@@Ptolemy336VV but there aren't moss patches in the ps4 version.

[@hassosigbjoernson5738]

Although I dont like any kind of exclusivity I have to admit: *optimising the game for only two (with PS4 Pro lets say 3) platforms seems to be much more manageable* than optimising such a AAA title on like 7+ platforms (like Cyberpunk)! So maybe this is one part of *the recipe for a great launch: focus on just one ecosystem* (here it's PlayStation, CP2077 should have been PC only at first, Forza on XBox ...) and bring the other platforms a year or so later! This way each system gets a focus on launch and combines the resources of a dev team!

[@The_Story_Of_Us]

I am literally blown away by how smoothly this game runs on the PS4 Pro. It literally runs better than the first game, I have no idea how that’s possible!

[@alexatkin]

I seem to be having a very different experience on PS5. Moments of frame rate instability in performance mode, very annoying pop-in in some places as well as Aloy clipping through objects (particularly glaring on a particular signal tower). Also nearly got stuck on the environment once as the collision detection seems as iffy as Zero Dawn, made kinda worse by the new climbing/gliding as you transition between climbable objects and ones that cannot. Its not quite as terrible as the above makes it sound mind you, but its the fact it will be absolutely 100% in one section then these things happen that makes it feel more jarring. Seeing you once again talk about how stable it is, I think I need to find a campfire and reboot the console as something just seems off with my experience. UPDATE: Looks like its having issues with my external SSD which was possibly the issue as the background OS was seeing it disappear. Very odd timing as my Xbox external HDD also died a few days ago.

[@jon_collins]

I'm at level 20 and I've encountered at least 10 gameplay glitches... one glitch fell through the floor and had to drown myself others are mission triggers / scripts failing all over the place. Could have used more playtesting but pressure would have been on the graphics and cross gen performance I guess.

[@andrealorenzini5099]

I like how they say at some point that the difference is night and day and yet to show the differences they have to zoom in on flowers and leaves on the ground 😂

[@adamkallin5160]

Everything in the PS4 version looks fine to me, even pop in doesn't bother me too much. 30 vs 60 fps is a huge difference in an action game though.

[@chadbizeau5997]

Exactly. When he was talking about Forza, pretty frames per second is fine there because it's not a twitch action game. Motion blur can smooth out the frames in a racing game or a driving game. But in a game where precision is key and you need to be able to knock an object off of a target's back that's moving 60 frames per second makes a huge difference. I am getting this on PS5 but I really can't wait for the PC version to eventually come out because I want to be able to play this at full resolution 4K 60 Plus or even 1440p at 100 frames per second plus with max details.

[@MaNameizJeff]

frankly anyone who plays open world games is so used to bad pop in. We will see pop in until games fully utilize the unreal engines new LOD methods. So yea, I think the only thing that might bug me playing the ps4pro versions is it looks like grass draw distance is a little shorter than the first?

[@robosergTV]

120 fps is to 60fps what 60 is to 30. 60 is another 30 today, its too choppy and laggy at 60

[@therealjaystone2344]

@@robosergTV For consoles, 60 is the bare minimum

[@madezra64]

@@robosergTV This is simply not true. 120 FPS is a luxury that most people can live without, and I am a native PC gamer... It's great, but going from 60 to 120 is NOT the same as going from 30 to 60. 30 FPS is almost unplayable for a lot of people, but 60 FPS is a standard everyone can get on board with and support (talking about the devs). When you go from 30 to 60, you're going from difficult to play to playable and enjoyable. When you go from 60 to 120, the difference is not as pronounced and not the same since 60 FPS is quite good. Sure 120 > 60, but the playability from 30 to 60 is vastly different. I would rather play a beautiful 4K/60 FPS game instead of 1080p/120. There may be mathematical symmetry in the differences, but going from 30 to 60 is a far different animal then going from 60 to 120. When the day comes that we can hit arbitrary frame rates without compromise to fidelity, then we will talk about 120 being standardized.

[@xOogieBoogie3x]

I have a SATA III SSD in my PS4 Pro and the asset loading isn't a problem in-game. There's no texture pop-in whatsoever beyond the in-engine geometry adjustment which is fixed. Loading is very fast too. I've been abusing fast travel. But there are slower loading textures on the menus, which would have to be a software based bottleneck.

[@Shingatsu279]

Hey guys at Digital Foundry, i would like a followup to this video because I run into a pretty strange situation. I get that this analysis is from the first area of the game (not to spoil) but I would like your analysis on the rest : mostly the largest area of the game (for differents scenes and loads) and crucibles. For Any who don't want to know or don't want to get spoild, don't read the rest of this comment. You have been warned ! Just to say : I play the game on standard PS5 with a 1080p/144hz/1 ms screen, digital version of the game. I only got one game running at a time on the console. I play the game in Performance mode rather than Resolution because I like smoothness over resolution (and I'm on a 1080p screen anyway). I played Horizon 2 for like 2 to 3 hours in the 2nd area (after the doors) then I went to the first long neck and to the first crucible in the games (Crucible Mu I think). At the top of the long neck : the game started to lose some frames but nothing less than 2 to 3 frames and it would pickup right after. Next to a big body of water : again, the game started to lose frames with everything going on in the scene (reflection of the water + enemies attacking) But the worst came to the Crucible : the game started to lose a big chunk of frames all the time i was in the crucible: and i'm talking playing in below 25 fps. The game would start to slowdown on the whole sequence since I entered the crucible : Horrifying. I tried switching to Resolution mode (since it's 30 fps locked) but it got even worst dipping below 20. I don't know what to blame : my PS5 unit, the fact that I played for long period of time or the fact that I never shutdown the PS5 or the game glitching or something... Nonetheless that was truly an horrifying experience for a game I really like so far. I don't know if anyone else encountered this situation but I don't see anything online on this so maybe you guys get to see this and try it for yourself. Anyway, I would like to see your analysis of the 2nd part of the game : maybe you will do that later (after everyone get a chance to experience the game to avoid spoilers I guess ?) but I do want your feedback on this because the first area didn't look that taxing on the system, but the later areas seem to be where the big workloads are. Best regards ! And lots of Kudos to Guerilla, when the game works, it's a gorgeous game !

[@holgerbahr8961]

At position 4:45 you see a shot with tree covered skyscapers. The PS5 is on the left in its performance mode (60FPS) stacked up next to the PS4 Pro (1800p) on the right. To me the stability of the picture from the PS4 Pro is noticeably higher. Look at the trees on top of the middle and right skyscaper and you'll notice a flickering in the PS5 footage while on the PS4 pro it's much more stable resulting in a sharper impression even tough both are supposed to be checkerboarded 1800p. And with double the framerate, I thought the result would be a sharper checkerboard image opposed to a 30FPS one. But here, it seems the 1800p 30 FPS image from the PS4 pro is clearly sharper than the 1800p 60 FPS image from the PS5. Yes, the LOD of the trees is different but I have seen other / better suited comparison shots in other videos where for example the near camera grass foilage is also causing flickering on PS5 performance mode whereas on PS4 Pro it's not flickering. I am really wondering why it is not the other way around: That the 60 FPS mode is looking sharper than the 30 FPS PS4 Pro. Usually this should be the case. But as far as I can tell by watching various comparison videos, it seems the PS4 Pro 30FPS 1800p checkerboard is clearly delivering a sharper experience when put it up next to the PS5's performance mode. In short it's like: 1800p CB in PS5 Perf mode = shimmering and flickering around foilage. 1800p CB on PS4 Pro = delivers a clearer and smoother foilage rendering.

[@jaroslavmrazek5752]

You are not the only one, i posted this on Reddit, i saw it home with my own eyes PS4 pro looks sharper than PS5 even looking at the sky while both being 1800p cb. Something is wrong here. If I didn't know better i would guess PS5 perf to be like 1300p ish.

[@holgerbahr8961]

@@jaroslavmrazek5752 thank you so much for confirming. I thought already am crazy or what as nobody is mentioning this. I think - just / only from watching youtube videos (I purchased HZD as PS4 disc 2 hours ago and am in the middle of a full 90+GB download onto PS5 - still 2 more hours to go before I can see it for real) - that maybe PS4 Pro is running in 1800p and PS5 PerfMode like 1600 ish. I wonder why Digital Foundry (or anybody else) did not notice this. What I heared tough is that without the day one patch the PerfMode runs in lower res than with day one patch. So maybe it's 1300ish without dayone patch and 1600ish with dayone patch. We have been told that CBR works better with higher framerates. You could see this easily on Horizon Zero Dawn where PS5 look a bit sharper than PS4 Pro (due to running 60 FPS instead of 30) - so my conclusion would be that either PS5 PerfMode of Forbidden West has to look better than PS4 Pro (which it does not) or that PS5 PerfMode runs with a lower res than PS4 Pro.

[@jaroslavmrazek5752]

@@holgerbahr8961 i thought I was crazy too, when I was looking in the articles i was like surely they switched the text by a mistake then i saw less foliage and was like what, how is that possible? Digital foundry usually counts every single damn pixel but not in this case?

[@holgerbahr8961]

​@@jaroslavmrazek5752 If you'll watch DF's video on the PS5 update for Horizon Zero Dawn, in it it's clearly stated that the checkerboard rendering is looking sharper and crisper on the PS5 compared to the PS4 Pro due to running with 60 FPS which helps because previous frame reconstruction proceess is being double as fast. So basically the checkerboarding process itself is getting a big boost as well. It's logical that this may increase image clarity. But now with Horizon Forbidden West it seems to being the opposite? Like the PS4 Pro is looking crisper / sharper and having less flicker on especially the foilage? Digital Foundry mentioned they like to step back from the pure "pixel counting" and are figuring out a way to rate "image clarity" instead. Which makes sense to me. But what I can see thus far with Horizon Forbidden West is the clearer image being on the 30 FPS checkerboard and not on the 60FPS checkerboard. Maybe one of the staff is looking into the comments and will dig a bit deeper into comparing the PS4 Pro vs. the PS5 PerfMode visual clarity. I think this is really interesting.

[@JayzBeerz]

You guys do an amazing job.

[@iv4nx3]

Sony is so lucky to have such talent under their umbrella, what an achievement this game is, truly beautiful.

[@peterGchaves]

.... Lol, "lucky"... it's been an investment, Guerrilla Games has been a Sony studio since 2004. There's a lot of hard-work, passion, know-how and commitment put in a connection between a studio and a company like this one. Same case of Naughty Dog, Santa Monica Studio, Polyphony Digital, and so many others.

[@rabbitenjoyer6320]

@@peterGchaves Exactly. Take notes, Microsoft.

[@teddyholiday8038]

Fanboy accounts are so weird. This guy has posted the same thing since Tuesday, he hasn’t even played the game. Sony fans are bizarre sometimes

[@davidmolnerjr3348]

@@rabbitenjoyer6320 take notes on how to make a game that will be dead in a week

[@rabbitenjoyer6320]

@@davidmolnerjr3348 I'll take 30 hours of high quality memorable content over "live service" cash grabs every single time. But idk, that's just me 🤷‍♂️

[@06hilltopper]

Appreciate the coverage. I am a little let down that the "PS5 vs PS4 vs PS4 Pro" video was largely a PS5 vs PS4 Pro debate with the base model absent from all but a few comparisons. Was really looking forward to a deep dive into how the base system compared visually to the PS5 scene by scene.

[@EllipseGamer]

Really shows how much closer the generation gap is between PS4/5 compared with PS3/4

[@TheRegeaton10]

@Transistor Jump you can turn off the tips.

[@RARufus]

It's really incredible this runs at 30fps without many hitches on the base PS4. Nice work GG!!

[@ガイジン-GOVI]

I play at 60 frames.

[@pennywisethedancingclown7139]

Glad to see all Playstation fans will be able to enjoy this! What a beautiful game!

[@MuunNii]

And a few years down the line all pc gamers 👍

[@TheKayliedGamerChannel-YouTube]

@@MuunNii months....

[@GMOTP5738]

Just looks the same as the last one, nothing exciting so many fucking shills in this comment section lol

[@fandangobrandango7864]

@@TheKayliedGamerChannel-KZbin years.

[@fandangobrandango7864]

@@GMOTP5738 looks way better and has much more to do in it. Looking at your comment history it looks like you're upset you can't play it 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@WH250398]

The only thing that bothers me is the pretty bad antialliasing on the Ps5's performance mode. Compared to the 4k 30 mode, and even the first game on ps4 pro, it looks very grainy.

[@griffgames9538]

A patch update is imminent. There's that CBR issue, and also a HDR issue to resolve.

[@ivandeliseo1538]

@@griffgames9538 it is a official news or just your speculation? because I'm thinking to stop temporarily the game...

[@griffgames9538]

@@ivandeliseo1538 official - the hotfix was updated earlier today: "Guerrilla Games has released a hotfix for its acclaimed role-playing game, which you can download and install now. All you need to do is restart the title a couple of times to grab the update and apply it." It won't show as a formal download/update, but you'll see the hotfix application.

[@griffgames9538]

@@ivandeliseo1538 That's the CBR shimmer resolved hotfix. Next hotfix will address the HDR bug affecting a few display types.

[@WH250398]

@@griffgames9538 Dude, thanks!! I'll try today.

[@AndrewSmith00000007]

I think facial animation isn't getting much deserving praise. This is one of the best i've seen.

[@AristotelesSantosSouza]

Amazing how this is still the most beautiful game I've seen in the generation so far and it's a crossgen game.

[@ShadowMan64572]

Fake news. That just shows how small a leap this game and this whole gen has been, a true next gen game should never run on previous gen hardware.

[@ps41stuser16]

Performance mode vs 4k mode wasnt covered enough. Apart from resolution, are there other differences

[@lyttlefat3393]

Agree

[@SlayerSeraph]

Agree it was really really shallow and lacking detail, information and comparisons m...

[@ReGo001]

Lots of pop in and weird visual glitches from time to time in the PS5 version. They can be mildly distracting at times

[@mattjudy6780]

Guerilla games never disappoint. Amazing looking game. That decima engine 👌

[@parabolee]

Really wish the performance mode was doing a better job up-scaling. I cannot understand how 1800p looks so bad?!? It's often hard to tell too much difference between 1800p and 2160p. But here it looks like a layer of vaseline was spread over the screen and makes it very hard to choose it over the crisp quality mode. Cyberpunk 2077 1.5 is running at 1440p (apparently) and looks FAR better than Forbidden West's 1800p performance mode?!

[@mattyork7625]

@Transistor Jump lots of other games using checkerboard rendering at lower resolutions don't look this bad. Demon's souls looks near native 4k running at 1440p. Even Valhalla's performance mode looks better than Forbidden Wests. Resolution mode looks like the best looking open world game I've ever seen and performance mode nearly looks last gen in comparison. Even checkboaring at 1800p should look WAY better than this. All the noise and jaggies especially in the distance are near unacceptable. You can just tell this game was made for 30fps and they slapped on the performance mode much later. It looks completely unfinished.

[@mattyork7625]

@Transistor Jump Yes, the Resolution mode in Demons Souls is 4k. Performance mode is not, it's 1440p. Are you talking about the recent patch (day 1 update) for Forbidden West is broken? I'm thinking they're gonna fix it (well, Performance mode) because something just isn't right with it.

[@ano2lokmo]

The comparisons between the systems is great but what should be commended is the fact that the game looks so beautiful and it can run on the lower spec hardware of the base PS4.

[@Fortzon]

I can't wait for the PC version now that I've seen, how well optimized even the base PS4 version is. They managed to decrease loading times AND improve FPS stability on PS4 versions even though you'd think they would worsen from HZD to HFW. Since they now have experience from optimizing the game from the start for two(/three if you count base PS4) systems at the same, PC version at launch shouldn't be as rocky as HZD was. Although I don't remember if Guerrilla themselves did the PC port or if it was outsourced to other company.

[@billss889]

How many years did it take before hz went to PC lol it will come but seems PC won't get PS exclusives until 1-2 years have passed minimum

[@venator9536]

i have a ps4 pro but im still gonna wait for a pc release as well. i dont want to miss a next gen experience on such a brilliant game

[@instantstupor]

And it won't even be Guerilla by themselves - Sony bought Nixxes, who almost immediately improved the PC port of H:ZD. I'm going to pick this up for PS5 instead of PC, as I insanely went ahead and got one for some reason when the opportunity presented itself, so I might as well get early game access out of it lol. But I will be really curious to see how the eventual PC port turns out this time.

[@urekmazino6800]

Gonna wait a decade 🤣

[@Fortzon]

@@urekmazino6800 Why are you fanboys always so weird and think that you're funny with "haha have fun waiting" level digs? HZD PC port was released 3 years after PS4 release and I'll bet that the PC release was decided long after PS4 release, maybe in 2018 or even in 2019 since it was announced in March of 2020, only 5 months before release. Realistically HFW PC release won't take as long, especially now that they have experience from porting to PC. My bet is 2024.

[@mark_thurwanger]

Very impressive for running on such old hardware. I’m looking forward to them putting last-gen support to rest so they can fully focus on utilizing current gen!

[@duncanself5111]

@@entertainmentgaming8738 Astro's Playroom, Demon's Souls Remake, Destruction All Stars, Returnal and Rachet and Clank Rift Apart are the next-gen exclusives so far, then there's Deathloop and Ghostwire Tokyo as timed console exclusives for 12 months of course

[@duncanself5111]

@@entertainmentgaming8738 and PlayStation obviously have a load of next-gen games for PS5/PSVR2 in development

[@dom4591]

I'm pretty sure this game is designed for PS4. It's been in development since before developers had PS5 dev kits. It's been upgraded for PS5.

[@charlescc58]

The game was built for the ps4

[@urekmazino6800]

@@dom4591 3 years on ps4 and 2 on ps5

[@Lobus_Frontalis85]

For me it doesnt look like a true next gen Ps5 game. In Performance mode the trees and gras is shimmering and the whole picture looks grainy. I am so disappointed

[@griffgames9538]

Like Halo Infinite, it's a cross-gen game. Infinite had to accommodate a lowest common denominator spec of vanilla Xbox One. HFW has to accommodate a baseline PS4. No matter how awesome your scalability is, you are anchored to the technical fact that the core experience MUST run on baseline last gen -- which inherently compromises best case complexity and performance.

[@12max44]

Have you guys come across the shimmering/brightness issues? I am playing on PS5. Everytime I move the camera the environment changes brightness and shimmers. The game is beautiful but the shimmering/brightness issue is really distracting. When I turn off all sharpening settings on my sony 4k projector it is a little better but it is still there and noticable, especially on a 120inch screen. 30fps mode seems to suffer more from this issue then performance mode. Hope they patch this issue quickly.

[@94fleetwood49]

They're not wanting to talk about that. It's clearly there

[@SolarErazer]

Update: The preferred way to play is now Performance mode as they updated it as said on the new video of this channel.

[@deepmind5318]

I wonder how much more can the sequel to breath of the wild squeeze out of the Nintendo Switch's CPU, RAM, and GPU

[@gvfc]

I just started playing this and I have to say an SSD on PS4 Pro helps immensely with load times.

[@Lunaria.Praesentia]

And how about the pop-in? Does it improve as well?

[@gvfc]

Yes, definitely. It's certainly there, but it's not as "in your face" as it seems to be with a mechanical drive. Load times from main menu vary between 20 and 30 seconds depending on where you are on the map (towns take a bit longer to load I reckon).

[@Omie-Wan-kenobi]

I'm amazed how good it looks on ps4 and ps4 pro, it looks way better than zero dawn and that still looks amazing too. Also, I use a WD blue internal sata Ssd on my pro and the game loads between 15-20 seconds (multiple tests) from menu, not tried fast travel yet.

[@m.f.4414]

Yeah- a SSD in a Pro is a really good investment 😉

[@tresbb03]

There's a big problem running Favor Performance graphics mode on a 1080p screen. Please have a look on this guys.

[@MrTmm97]

Not sure if you guys at Digital Foundry noticed...but I noticed on my PS5 there was a setting to auto-load back into gameplay before the game had time to even show the tip card that happen during loading and fast travel screens. Basically it can load so quickly....the loading screen doesn't even have to to appear before the PS5 has loaded enough to continue back into gameplay. Nearly instantaneous sometimes so far in my experience. So I wonder if these guys saw that setting and switched it to automatically load without tip screen.

[@terogamer345]

Im pretty sure they did the tests with that setting On, otherwise he would have mentioned that settings since it is something new never seen before in other games.

[@hotdognl70]

I'm realy impressed how they made the game look on the 4 Pro! In a few occasions the lack of hero lighning made it even look better than the 5. Also the water is way too clear for the 5. Still, the lack of jet engine sound and way faster loading times will make it worth playing it on the 5 ;)

[@sammikid]

Some lakes, rivers and even oceans have crystal clear water. Not all water is misty or obscured.

[@Oznerol1234]

Gotta think that humanity is close to extinction, so nobody polutes the lakes and oceans anymore... That's partly why the water is clear

[@sebastianpizxa1553]

@@Oznerol1234 also the water machines filter the bodies of water

[@jakubmrozik7964]

If your ps4 is sounding like a jet just clean it. 20 minutes and you don't have a problem.

[@hotdognl70]

@@jakubmrozik7964 You obvious don't own a 4 pro lol

[@seangalvin3196]

I wish they would have the default comparison as PS5 vs PS4(og). I think that's what most people have and are interested. Cover PS4 Pro as well, for sure, but have OG PS4 up most of the time. Thanks a lot for these videos. These videos and the way you discuss graphics make me feel stupid, but also smart when I relay this info to my friends!

[@Arcona]

Yeah that bugs me too. They should be comparisons of the OG hardware. A LOT more people have a PS4 than a PS4 Pro.

[@godsson7779]

I definitely agree

[@TheKayliedGamerChannel-YouTube]

@@godsson7779 ... most people who seriously care about PS4 performance have probably upgraded to a Pro tbh...

[@godsson7779]

@@TheKayliedGamerChannel-KZbin I'm not just talking about performance I'm talking about visually also, loading times, the whole 9

[@MaNameizJeff]

Anyone who can't spot the differences between ps4 and ps5 with just glimpses is blind or in denial. There is no comparison. Ps5 has significantly more memory for textures, higher resolution, and the cpu power for higher quality effects. If you are still on a ps4 now you are just in it for the game and not really hard up on the visuals. PS4Pro users are the ones who have spent additional money to improve visuals over the past several years while making their way to the ps5, and it is precisely why videos like these needs to be between the ps4pro and ps5 so we can judge if the visuals in games are at the level to make the financial jump now or can we wait?

[@TheMcFather]

We gonna need that cyberpunk next gen analysis 🙏🙏

[@selafors]

11:01 that's the tree-planting-trophy popping right there

[@purefoldnz3070]

To be honest its hard to see any difference half the time and once you're running around doing quest you wouldn't notice the slightly extra foliage or extra reflections in the water.

[@frozenduck74]

Yeah but that 60fps boost is amazing

[@kyoki86]

Correct but these losers won't admit that becuz they have to justify their purchase of the ps5 even though the generational leap from the ps4 pro is so small most people wouldn't notice.

[@gaunterodimm3606]

I would liked to have seen more PS4 not PS4 Pro vs PS5 comparisons. I haven't been able to get a PS5 when I've been looking but I have managed to get a Series X. I'm sure PS4 is what the majority of people are using from Sony.

[@balloonb0y677]

No shit

[@doom3380]

I played horizon forbidden west on ps5 with the Favor resolution setting which locks it and plays at 30fps. It played like 💩 Switched to performance mode at 60fps and it was a dramatic difference. Highly recommend against playing it on ps4 because trust me 30 fps is garbage

[@russellbrown1036]

I think Guerilla games have done a fantastic job, to optimize this game for the 140 million playstation 4/5 owners out there. For someone like me, who ordered the ps4 version before getting a ps5, it's a god send. Other developers should take notes.

[@vampiszon6620]

The fluidity of 60fps is much more valuable than bit more sharpnes, which you actually see only on still screens. Once you move the camera (and you are moving all the time) you loose all this sharpness for 30fps choppines. People say to me: "once you play 1h in 30fps your eyes will adopt to it". And I say to them: "once you play 5 minutes in 60fps, you will forget that it was only a bit sharper and you'll enjoy constant fluidity"

[@gamenation93]

Amen

[@EmeralBookwise]

Thank you so very much for this comparison video. I've only got a basic PS4 and despite my love of the previous game, I had been on the fence about getting the sequel. What really sold me was the confirmation that even on obsolete hardware it still looks and runs better than HZD.... well, for the most part. I've noticed that sometimes, especially when mounted, the game can't quite load fast enough and will have to cut to a loading screen in the middle of the open world. This could happen very rarely in HZD too, but seems al lot more frequent in HFW. It's not so bad that it ruins the experience though, and I'm still glad I made the choice to get this game, even if I can't afford the latest hardware.

[@madsdgdhg]

Another great analysis. I'm curious to see if running a PS4 Pro with an SSD would improve the pop-in situation.

[@Arash_ok]

Same

[@UniversalBuilder]

I'm doing just that (samsung 860evo I think) and haven't seen a single pop-in, but I'm not that far into the the game yet. It looks pretty but I think I'm less impressed than with the HZD, the environments seem too messy (too many colors and elements) for my taste, but that's just an art direction thing, not a technical issue.

[@infrasonicrebasses4763]

lol nope it doesn't work like that..even IF you use the ps4 pro with an SSD it will not be able to fully USE the speed of the SSD

[@UniversalBuilder]

@@infrasonicrebasses4763 Cleary the game has to be coded with the SSD as a given, which is not the case on the PS4 Pro version. That being said, I don't see any pop-in issues. I see something lese that might be related to the SSD though : something, when I move really fast for whatever reason (speedy mount, jump from heights with the glide), I get a 1-2 seconds of black screen, like the rest of the system is trying to catch up where I am. But there's no graphical issues whatsoever like things not loading, when the screen comes back everything is fine.