The 15 Smallest Federation Ships In Star Trek

[@mrben6573]

"The Daedalus class does not feature in the canonical Star Trek series or films". The class is referenced several times and there's a desktop model of it present in DS9. So the Daedalus class is certainly canon.

[@Wowflunky]

it's also in Okuda's Star Trek Encyclopedia and in the Chronological Timeline book written by Okuda, both at the behest of Roddenberry to keep shit cannon.

[@MrStaypufty]

yeah, most all of these are completely wrong

[@Tiran_Blade]

Very much so the miranda was 237m long and all it's variants were essentially the same size.

[@Ithinkiwill66]

I am sure Daedalus class was larger than the NX class.....I don't think Oberth is actually the smallest, as well.

[@MrStaypufty]

@@Ithinkiwill66 As for dedicated starships then the Raven-type ships are the smallest dedicated federation starships outside of runabouts and shuttlecraft. Although one can make for the argument that the Danube runabout seen in the DS9 episode "One Little Ship" is the smallest seen in the show, or when Q(uinn) shrank Voyager to subatomic size to hide from Q.

[@BriantheMan.-yw2lt]

Doesn’t even mention the Archer class.

[@wargodsix]

Ikr the Miranda’s should be the exact same size and no way it’s that much bigger then the consitution the saucer is the same width of the consitution refit as refit is little larger then tos

[@matthewcaughey8898]

The Nova class was supposed to be the formal replacement for the aging Oberth class ships. A Nova is really just a short range science ship, larger multipurpose ships like the Intepid class are much better long ranged exploration ships. The USS Voyager proved the Intrepid’s design was good for its intended purpose but it was a bit weak on firepower and defensive systems. Still with a good crew the Voyager proved surprisingly resilient and was tough enough to get her crew home

[@williamcorvinus8240]

The Intrepid class had atleast the same firepower as the Galaxy class when it came out.. also, Voyager being stranded was forced to ration its torpedos and still proved to be offensively formidable. Smaller size meant more efficient shield strength and was much more maneuverable to boot.

[@williamcorvinus8240]

Yeah, being able to shake off a hit from a species 8472 ship sure counts as resilient.... 😬

[@XHunter442]

Oberth is smaller than the nx but has more decks.. Mind blown!13 decks vs nx has 7 decks!

[@nicholasmorsovillo2752]

The 15 Smallest Federation Starships in Star Trek: 15. Constitution Class (T.O.S.) 14. Miranda Class 13. Malachowski Class 12. Pioneer Class 11. Soyuz Class (Miranda Variant) 10. Hiawatha Class 9. Reliant Class 8. Magee Class 7. NX Class 6. Saber Class 5. Defiant Class 4. Nova Class 3. Freedom Class (Kelvin) 2. Daedalus Class 1. Oberth Class

[@paulyerger3968]

The freedom class is from the prime timeline it was built before the Kelvin Event

[@Wowflunky]

that's ok, Jar Jar Abram's Star Trek Movies aren't real star trek because the ship that started it all broke a rule that Gene Roddenberry made for the science of warp drive back when he was making/a part of TOS/TNG filming... no ships can have odd numbers of nacelles as they work in pairs due to co-dependency.

[@k1productions87]

@@Wowflunky So.... the three-nacelled Enterprise-D is a rule-breaker as well, despite appearing in the finale of TNG? And before that, you have the other notable (non-canon, but made and accepted by the fandom DECADES before the 2009 film) Federation-class dreadnaught, and the single-nacelled Saladin and Hermes-class. Besides, Roddenberry never made such a rule. That would instead belong to Matt Jeffries, and likely expanded upon by Michael Okuda.

[@Wowflunky]

@@k1productions87 Nope, in interview with Proberts in 2005 he said that Roddenberry did tell him regarding ship design during TNG production that nacelles work in pairs only, so no single nacelle designs, so by Roddenberry Rule that is correct, the Saladin and Hermes class can't exist (just like you mentioned NON CANNON), at least not until much later when in universe scientists figure out how to put 2 sets of warpcoils right next to each other in a single nacelle. However for actual cannon, as created by Roddenberry, Jeffries and Okuda, the rules are set. here, i'll even give you the exact quote. In a 2005 interview, Probert stated: "Gene specified to me, in fact, that starship warp engines operate in pairs... because they're codependent.... So in the same breath he negated three-engined dreadnoughts along with the single-engined destroyers, on the edict simply that, to achieve warp drive, you had to have codependent warp engine pairs." Now, is there a workaround? Yeah technically, if one nacelle on the 3 nacelle design is destroyed the 2 remaining nacelles can be paired which is probably how they got the Dreadnought enterprise to work in TNG All good things in '94, plus the fact that Roddenberry Died in '91 so he couldn't argue the fact, but I'm going by what the 3 who literally created Star Trek say. If you can't follow the rules set by the creator of the world you are in you don't have the right to create something that fits in that world. That's why LOTR ROP is such a shitshow because they didn't follow what was set in stone by the creator of the universe.

[@k1productions87]

@@Wowflunky well then, I guess All Good Things doesn't count as "Real Star Trek" hm? Also, the Defiant doesn't count either, because the "nacelles" aren't detached, but rather part of the structure. So who is the culprit here? Doug Drexler? Ronald D. Moore? Regardless of who, they're clearly every bit as guilty as JJ Abrams. And lets include Franz Joseph on that, since we must include the Saladin, Hermes and Federation classes

[@Wowflunky]

@@k1productions87 Dunno why you're so angry. I just pointed out that designs such as those do not follow the rules as laid down by the creator(s) of the universe at the beginning and as such don't work and yes in my eyes and in my opinion aren't real Star Trek, but that's my opinion and not yours because people are allowed to have opinions other than what you think. Mine just happens to be backed up by the creator of the thing I'm arguing about. And you are correct, the defiant doesn't work because the ship is literally between the nacelles with areas where living things will be, nothing to do with being detached, for reference look at Steamrunner and Sabre classes though I think the latter has a bit of an issue with the hull dipping down below the line of sight. On the Defiant even the bridge being at the top of the primary hull, another rule, doesn't work though that rule was created as more of a preference but it is still a rule. By this reasoning the first warp flight shouldn't have worked, nor should the warp planes of early Star Trek lore because they had the 'plane' fuselage between them. I've heard and read of 2 different reasons for this rule from the creators of Star Trek. 1: They need LOS to link to work... bs in my opinion and was probably the initial reason for the rule. 2: The more believable reason in my book is with the amount of power being pushed between them to create the warp bubble any living creatures in between them would die...so.. there goes the defiant, and this does kind of allow the first warp flight and the warp planes to exist because nothing living was between them. Hell some of the concept designs of the nacelles themselves that I've seen concepted by Roddenberry showed a massive orb of energy between them and that was what created the propulsion... so think what you want, I have nothing to prove to you. as for All good things, no, i already gave you a way it works, the nacelles are clear and free in the LOS department, it's just the Dreadnought D carries around a useless nacelle in case something happens to one of the other primary ones. I just pointed out that at the time of Airing, Roddenberry was dead and couldn't argue for or against. I also gave a way out for the single nacelle that satisfies the twin nacelle rule for warp bubble creation. not that fucking hard to be imaginative inside the bounds of rules provided you can think about such things. as for culprits? Yes, anyone who's designs are outside of the rules are the culprit because they didn't follow the rules. Kinda like the real world where if you do something against established rules without giving adequate reason, theory, or proof that it has changed, you are rebuked. It's called accountability.

[@SaschaDBrickman]

The smallest starships of the Federation are the Runabouts of the Danube Class like the USS Rio Grande NCC-72452 or USS Yukon NCC-74602 both stationed on Deep Space Nine

[@Vipre-]

Those are large shuttlecraft, not starships.

[@SaschaDBrickman]

@@Vipre- nope the runabouts are dedicated as Starships and have their own Starfleet registry. Every Shuttlecrafft bears the Regestry of the ship or Station where it belongs to. The Shuttlecrafts of the USS Voyager bear the Registry NCC-74656 for Example or the Shuttlecraft of Admiral Janeway in VOY Endgame bearing SC-4 (Starfleet Command number 4. The Runabouts of Deep Space Nine have their own Regestry

[@Vipre-]

@@SaschaDBrickman They're the RV of shuttles.

[@ycplum7062]

@@SaschaDBrickman Memory Alpha seems to disagree.

[@williamcorvinus8240]

​@@SaschaDBrickman I wouldn't call shuttlecraft or even a runabout a 'dedicated' starship... they're essentially used when transporter systems are unavailable or unusable...

[@walruspolish]

This video is all over the place.

[@ahrisss]

The Nova class is made for planetary scientific missions and definately not for deep space missions lol

[@ozelhassan8576]

The NX-01 did not have the USS moniker as this was for Federation ships, NX-01 pre dates that

[@Ithinkiwill66]

Maybe she meant that as when ( if ) NX Enterprise was refitted, after the Romulan wars, and the United Federation of Planets came into effect in 2261, so therefore all Enterprises then had to get the "USS" title.

[@harrisonchr]

Wasn't the Constitution Refit Enterprise A bigger than the TOS Enterprise?

[@annapocalypsezero4719]

Yep was slightly bigger.

[@Ithinkiwill66]

It was, almost same size as the compact Miranda class ships.

[@richardlevans]

The pylons that the nacelles were on were angled, so the overall length was longer, but as far as I know, most dimensions were about the same, although there were some additions in the photon torpedo area and such.

[@288theabe]

Magee-class looks like it's going to abduct humans from the 20th century...

[@MultiMack82]

totally missed the centaur class and protostar class ships

[@Thoths_Pen]

And of course the smallest starship, the Danube class a.k.a. runabout.

[@SilverBazooka10]

@@Thoths_Pen Why stop there? Just mount a seat on a single shuttle nacelle.

[@MultiMack82]

@@Thoths_Penthe runabout is more of a long distance shuttle than a ship of the line

[@k1productions87]

@@MultiMack82 But they did come with their own NCC registry and identified as "Federation Starship (name)"

[@Ithinkiwill66]

​@@k1productions87Yes, the runabout did, such as "USS Rio Grande", and considered as small, or more so tiny, starships.

[@jaadams72]

why is the oberth displayed upside down in the diagram.

[@ozelhassan8576]

You have missed a few ships, the Archer Class, the Protostar and my favourite small ship the Danube Class Runabout, yes this is technically a ship but I’m happy if it’s re-classed as a mega shuttle

[@nisus8]

The _Freedom_ class from _Star Trek Beyond_ would've also existed in the Prime Timeline, since it was constructed back in the 22nd Century, prior to the timeline-split caused by Nero's temporal incursion in _Star Trek_ '09.

[@John-oo8dn]

The Kelvin timeline's past prior to the Kelvin incident wouldn't be identical to the Prime timeline. The reason being is, all time travel incidents to the past, that would occur after the Kelvin incident would happen differently, or not happen, as they did in the Prime universe. Also, new time travel incidents to the past might also occur. Hence, the Kelvin's past would be different to the Prime's past.

[@barryf7253]

Runabouts were given registry numbers, names, and considered the same as starships.

[@liamtayler498]

Enterprise A was a constitution refit. (Edit)You mentioned the NX class, yet there were other classes in the enterprise program that were smaller. Freedom class was first to warp 4???? I'm pretty sure the NX class was faster which was older.

[@sirgoliath603]

What was the class of starship that Scotty was flying on in the episode of the next generation? I’m pretty sure that was really tiny.

[@philhelliwell3951]

Sydney Class

[@Allosaurus87]

where is federation/maquis raider, where is raven class, where is danube class?

[@williamcorvinus8240]

Is the marquis raider an actual starfleet ship or an assault craft used by Federation civilIan rebels/terrorists? Is it simply a modified Peregrine class, maybe? I think it is likely they are only counting ships with a respectable range/autonomy...

[@Allosaurus87]

@@williamcorvinus8240 well it's a federation not "starfleet" ships list and the federation raider was starfleet ship before then become civilian with age used as long range transport with 2 decks 60m long 66m wide, peregrine is a small fighter. Are missing other ships like the antares class, aurora class and probably others

[@VulcanJEDI]

You have the Oberth class upside down vs the other ships.

[@KevCo1983]

You completely forgot about the “Walker Class” starship from the first season of Star Trek Discovery. Most notably the USS Shenzou.

[@Wowflunky]

Shenzou breaks one of Roddenberry's rules... Bridge must be on top of the primary hull, hell, half the ships in Discovery (Which were neat i will give that) Break one or more rules that Roddenberry made. Hell the Buran, the Cardenas Class ship, one of my favorite in that shit show of a TV show, broke that rule and had the massive amphitheater Bridge on the very front of the primary hull.

[@KevCo1983]

@ that’s not a very good excuse.

[@OldDrunkWolf]

Protostar class?

[@chrisbeauvais7499]

Just remember that the connie refit made them 305 meters long

[@jakexou812]

dumb. right from the beginning. I stopped at 0:39.

[@avatardelta8008]

Labels Defiant Class as Reliant Class... what the heck.

[@QalOrt]

The Soyuz and Miranda Classes are the same size.

[@robmx2324]

No Akira, Voyager class. or Aries class?

[@amateurcrastinator9523]

I keep reading this title 8n a Boston accent. "Staships".

[@LeoH3L1]

The crew sizes seem ridiculous, how is it that the Miranda has 360, while the Soyuz has up to 400, I would bet the Soyuz isn't as small as shown here, it's clearly a Miranda variant, not a scaled down version, and we see it in TNG in reference to the size of the Galaxy class, which shows it's clearly larger than this. Also, if the Miranda is 278m and the Soyuz is 247m, then it's clearly nothing like this lineup suggests, infact all of these are way out of scale compared to what the stated lengths are.

[@BriantheMan.-yw2lt]

@@LeoH3L1 stay off the FASA combat starship simulator game based website then. The crew number’s over most ships is outright ridiculous. Also it ignores entirely the redrawn warp curve.

[@LordElpme]

Soyuz class is a Miranda variant so has similar dimensions

[@TheYamiRanshiin]

What about the Saber-Class?

[@LunarLizard]

This video made absolutely no sense, whoever made this video had no idea what they were talking about. Looks like they got their information off Temu

[@2490debrick]

The Federation does not operate starships that fall under heavy cruiser types of analogy! Also, they do not operate kitbash designs and use a lot less platform variations! Like in TOS, the only ship design you see is the Constitution platform. Anything else would be a waste of resources!

[@franzhilder]

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[@Wowflunky]

I love how the Soyuz class, which is a modified Miranda class where all they did was add an elongated rear hull between the two hangars without increasing ship length, and add a few sensor turrets with no other additions or subtractions, is somehow 31 meters shorter than the hull it was based on (Miranda/ IE the reliant) which is measured length wise from the very edge of the saucer to the tip of the nacelle not to mention you got the original miranda class length wrong, it was shorter than the connie or the refit by a lot.... Guess what, both the Miranda and soyuz were about 233 to 244m long a depending on who you talk to or what sources you look at so the soyuz would be the one to base the miranda size off of in this video. I also find it funny how your ship size comparisons visually are wrong as the miranda had the same saucer diameter as the connie 2 (STTMP/Refit Connie) which was only about 1% longer/larger overall than the Connie that is shown on screen. 304m refit/TMP vs 288 tos connie. I believe the saucer of the refit was around 142m in dia? The saucer of the miranda as shown visually here is basically the size of the Excelsior, possibly even the amabasador class saucer which both were frigging huge when next to stuff of their era, I'd say it's something around maybe 184m (Excelsior) to 200+m in dia. For reference the widest point of the ambasador class which is the saucer was stated as 361m give or take? with all the size reference materials out there, hell on deviant art alone, and not including cannon sources you would be able to know the image was messed up before publishing this.

[@sirgoliath603]

Where is the Oberth?

[@zezashetan]

You forgot the Phoenix class

[@SaschaDBrickman]

The Phoenix wasn't a Federation ship not even a Starfleet Ship, she was american. The smallest ships pf the Federation are the Runabouts of the Danube Class. They have their own Starfleet Regestry not like shuttlecrafts which have the regestry of the ship or station where they belong to. For example the USS Rio Grande NCC-72452 stationed at DS9 compared with the big shuttlecraft Delta Flyer of the USS Voyager. The Delta Flyer I and the Delta Flyer II have both the Starfleet Registry of the USS Voyager

[@laurentecrivain6944]

Actually, the Miranda class vessels are 226m in legnth, shorter than the Contitution class ships. The saucer hull of the Enterprise NCC-1701 refit and Reliant NCC-1864 are the same size.

[@trainglen22]

Most of these are wrong. Wondering where the California class is ?

[@Ithinkiwill66]

That's a strange class ship, for such a helerious cartoon Trek 😅

[@darrenchapman2786]

Mistake, the Reliant Class became Canon during Picard Season 3 along with a number of other ships from Star Trek Online. Most notably the Yorktown/Odyssey Class that was featured as the Enterprise 1701-F. Just a little note for the makers of this video. You are making a video on an IP that is a way of life for a lot of people, these people know the Star Trek lore inside out, some could even tell you how many hull panels were on the original Enterprise. So if you want to make a video on a beloved franchise like Star Trek, Star Wars etc make sure you do your homework. Because if the smallest fact is wrong you WILL be called out on it and hounded in the comments.

[@Madeintheshade65]

The Magee class is the ugliest ship I have ever seen it’s fitting that it a part of ST Discovery a horrible ship for a horrible show

[@AJFisherDesign]

My fan-made mini-starship: U.S.S. Vortex NCC-973 is a 4-deck Sparrow Class starship with a crew of 45: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWbdfKCieNiNl6ssi=UlK0od3JEphxLo1V

[@adriansue8955]

Miranda vs Constitution, size issues Their linear dimensions are very close; yet the somehow the Miranda is only 60% the mass and 3/4 the crew. this doesn't add up; especially given that the Miranda is a much Denser design; most of the Constitutions length is due to the trailing nacelles.... either some dimensions are wrong, or canon sources didn't think things through too well.

[@Wowflunky]

yeah i pointed that out, the soyuz size is the correct size (or close to since there is a range from numerous different sources) for all miranda class and the soyuz was just a heavily modified miranda. they fucked up with their image of the miranda.

[@RaddSpencer]

The Miranda should definitely be more massive than the Constitution. It's a more compact design, but it's still the larger ship if we're talking mass. Unless more than 40% of the ship is empty space. I suspect it's a case of the old joke where you put two glasses of water in front of a kid, the glasses hold the same amount of water but one is shorter and wider, the other taller and thinner, but when asked which holds more water the kid points to the taller, thinner glass.

[@youtubehandlescostmemyusername]

@@RaddSpencer A kitbash will always look modular but the scales of the parts can vary quite a bit. If the Nebula saucer has 20% less width, their nacelles could also be proportionate. Same could be possible with the Reliant, especially given the size of the Reliant's shuttlebays. I think popular opinion tends to sway toward the simplistic so everyone assumes it's a modular kitbash. Then it becomes cannon because it's what most people think so someone official wrote it down.

[@Wowflunky]

@@RaddSpencer go look up EC henry I think it was, he actually did a break down of mass vs useable space in the Connie vs Miranda, physical shown sizes here are wrong, plain and simple, Miranda is much smaller. Video Title is USS Reliant: When the Little ship is larger. Love EC Henry

[@Wowflunky]

@@youtubehandlescostmemyusername Unless it's a kitbash made and used in one of the TV shows like 90% of the ships we see XD, then it is cannon and someone official made it but probably didn't pay attention to ratios and sizes causing fans to get confused LOL. Case in point, the Nebula class was actually supposed to be a smaller more cost effective 'galaxy' class, but time constraints and all the other BS in production meant they couldn't put the details onto the model to 'show' it was smaller... so now it has a 1 to 1 ratio galaxy class saucer and 2ndary hull in a Miranda compact form.

[@virag1132]

your sense of sizing and scale is so wretched, you should work for star trek!

[@mazzmo77]

who wrote this

[@jonathonearl482]

Love the Magee Class and the NX Class!

[@KrawmKruach]

The miranda class is bigger than the constitution class by volume and mass, yet was considered a light cruiser...wtf star trek writers.

[@bastianr.4552]

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[@paulaburrows8660]

Do some research.

[@carlingas666]

All these are wrong

[@HammerJammer81]

Isnt the Defiants original designation the "Escort" Class? Also, stick with the Prime Timeline. Nothing after 2005 should be on here.

[@wolly875]

the one exception is lower decks

[@MarvelX42]

This video is chock full of inaccurate information.

[@kenwynn3871]

AI nonsense

[@Allegheny500]

So much wrong.

[@mazzmo77]

yep all wrong

[@Ruairí-n7b]

Joke of a video