How the Borg Are Defeated

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[@michaelward334]

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[@sigmar4564]

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[@AJUniverse]

Strange that you needed a whole video to say "they pissed off Janeway".

[@alexneff]

Never mess with janeway

[@TBKOTOROB]

Yeah they made the mistake of crossing mamma bear and got the claws

[@1jotun136]

What an erudite observation. Don't frick with Mama.

[@MikaelKKarlsson]

They stole the last can of organic coffe and replaced the replicator recipe with Neelix's substitute.

[@Athenus0]

THATS IT❤😂😂

[@williamgeorge2580]

"Janeway happened" The only summary of Voyager you need.

[@Chokah]

"Things we going well. And then The Janeway attacked."

[@GODCONVOYPRIME]

​@@Chokah all good things... Untill Janeway got mad

[@Qardo]

You know. If the Borg Queen spent less time trying to plot how to take over the human race. Instead going back in time and telling her past self to just leave Voyager alone and also Species 8472. The Borg would still be a major threat as they were before. Now they are a shattered mess of smaller units trying to rebuild and being trimmed. I mean, there are other species out there that have dealt with the Borg and have the ability to keep the Borg in their place. I name one, The Voth, as one example. I mean, ever seen a Voth Drone? Seriously, I never seen a single Voth Drone among the Borg Collective. Heck a Borgified T-Rex, lol. God...I would have nightmares. Already have nightmares after seeing a Borgified 8472...which only happened in STO. And it was JUST ONE and it was tough SOB.

[@maxis2k]

Coffee, Neelix, then Janeway destroyed everything.

[@conundrum60690]

Janeway keeps transporter copies of Tuvix around for when she gets particularly blood thirsty.

[@greywizard2557]

"Janeway shaped mallet". Yep, that'll do it it. 😂

[@jblyon2]

There's the right way, the wrong way, and the Janeway.

[@MatthewSobotka]

RIP TUVIX

[@Grayson_Baker]

I can now imagine a defence against the borg is making ships look like Janeways hair!

[@piquels6934]

The borg eventually became the galaxies door to door religious solicitors passing out pamphlets. "Do you feel alone? Unwanted? Unproductive? Have you considered assimilation?"

[@garrettbodwell61]

Star Trek's version of the Priors and the Ori.

[@GODCONVOYPRIME]

Or the hare Krishna or Jehovah's witnesses​@@garrettbodwell61

[@UGNAvalon]

In the past we called it “brainwashing”. Now we call it “nanites subliminally influencing your brain”. 😈

[@hanelyp1]

@@garrettbodwell61 the Ori get very nasty if you say no.

[@Benepene]

So do the Borg ... ​@@hanelyp1

[@MerculiarchSyn]

Admiral “It’s not a War Crime the first time” Janeway.

[@GSBarlev]

Janeway and Sisko: "I'm not saying it's not a war crime. I'm saying I can live with it."

[@MerculiarchSyn]

@ hahaha

[@vaevictis6990]

Ahhh Canada's official WW1 policy

[@curbnug3487]

​​@@GSBarlevQork had the best alien perspective on humans. As long as I have their sonic showers warm beds and their root beer. They're thoughtful friendly people best customers you can ask for. But if you take away those things. They can become more Savage than the Klingons more ruthless than the Kardashians. Less trustworthy than the Romans. And more relentless than the Borg. Not the exact quote.

[@just9911]

It’s only a war crime if you lose.

[@pjlusk7774]

One of the things I tried to convey to my players in my ST Adventures campaign was the near-Tysonic reputation of Janeway and the Voyager crew among Starfleet crews after their return. There is literally no story about that ship they wouldn't believe. To hear them tell it, Janeway came out of the Borg transwarp network fully nude, riding on the Pale Horse of Death, with a phaser rifle in one hand and a broadsword in the other, screaming like a banshee as the entire sector was engulfed in flame, having kicked the galaxy's greatest hornet's nest and lived to tell the tale.

[@pjlusk7774]

Some will argue that she was, in fact, riding on the White Horse of War. The rest is accepted as absolute Starfleet crewman gospel.

[@GSBarlev]

Until Second Contact decades later, one can just imagine all the stories told about Janeway and the USS Voyager. You actually don't even have to imagine-"Live Fast and Prosper" showed how the _legend_ of the Federation spread faster and farther than the ship itself.

[@mattphoenix4702]

Honestly, I kinda respect Janeway for her grit and stubbornness. Kirk, Picard, and Sisko all suffered losses and accepted them with grace, like a captain should. Janeway got MOST of her crew home, but the losses she suffered she refused to accept. It could have ended poorly, but it didn’t, and at the cost of only her OWN life, Admiral Janeway brought more crew home and bitchslapped the Borg queen. Edit: Also, it’s kinda cool that the way Admiral Janeway handled the prep work for her own highly illegal meddling in her own past benefitted from the mistakes Chakotay and Kim made in “Timeless”, which Janeway would of course know about because alternate future Kim kindly sent a recorded message to his past self before he was… unexisted.

[@scottguffie7759]

a) She wasn't nude, she was fully dressed in her Captain's Uniform, merely drenched in the blood of her enemies and b) that Pale Horse of Death had a name, the USS Voyager.

[@pjlusk7774]

@@scottguffie7759 nope, definitely nude but drenched in blood and mechanical Borg gore for sure. Like a 24th Century Boudicca or something.

[@ChrisGrump]

If Voyager tought you anything, it is "Never ever piss off Janeway"

[@The_Keeper]

Indeed. Most of the Delta Quadrant chose to learn that lesson the hard way. Heck, even the Q got schooled by Janeway.

[@jblonar]

If the Continuum has told you once, it's told you a thousand times. DON'T PROVOKE JANEWAY!

[@sabrewolf4129]

Janeway is a hack arrogant dictator

[@vakash]

Don't stand in the way of the Glorious Coffee Crusade of the Delta Quadrant

[@Broockle]

And Scorpions are just jerks 😐

[@TheFlyingSailorYT]

Jurati's Borg Cooperative I really hope is safe. I rather like the nice Borg. "Assimilation is voluntary, with your permission. You will then join our Cooperative. Otherwise... how's life?"

[@FosterTravis1071]

I feel it might be more insidious than you think. Slowly, surely... restlessly you'll be assimilated, but you might not notice it.

[@SuperGamefreak18]

Fun thing in STO 7 of 9, became the acting leader/federation representive, of the borg cooperative, and they were also seen in the 26th century during the peace talks towards timetravel

[@daniellewis3330]

I mean, the hopeful, cooperative future *is* the point the point of Star Trek, so it fits.

[@UGNAvalon]

While a friendly Borg faction is definitely great, it would’ve been nice to first see more insidious tactics of the Borg who “claimed” to be sharing their tech freely, only to assimilate an entire society/planet all at once. That would color all future diplomatic interactions with Borg factions with the underlying fear of “are they really being friendly? or is it just a ploy?” and therefore make the final payoff of “yes, they really were friendly” all the more satisfying.

[@viscountprawn]

You will be assimilated, if you like. Resistance is understandable and will be respected.

[@thestanleys3657]

"must have been something you assimilated"-Future Janeway

[@GODCONVOYPRIME]

The way she raises her eye brow when she says that... *Swoons*

[@ChromaDragon]

"Admiral Janeway travelled back in time [...] which I would call cheating, but the Collective did try to assimilate Earth in the 21st Century so instead I'm gonna say Get Rekt" Had me rolling at that one. Bonus points for them failing their goal when going three centuries back, when Janeway barely even went back thirty years.

[@geoffreyganoe5246]

Seven of Nine says it well in STO, "Resistance is inevitable."

[@SergioMeneses2009]

In STo there is many borgs realities , the Borg kingdon says resistence is anielated

[@michaelgreenwood3413]

That's also the motto of Task Force Omega.

[@TimberWolf99]

"Resistance is never futile." Something a lot of us needed to hear these days. Thanks, Rick.

[@captainpositivenegro2854]

lol

[@stab74]

@@captainpositivenegro2854 Try to resist the womanly wiles of a certain redhead Starfleet doctor! 😎

[@richardarriaga6271]

Assad learned that the hard way

[@Chuck8541]

@@richardarriaga6271Yeah, when you gotta run to your authoritarian friends house to hide, you know you’re done. haha

[@MatthewSobotka]

The Borg made a classic mistake, They decided to fight a woman who wakes up every morning, has a cup of coffee and thinks, huh? What war crime can I commit today because Starfleet is not here to watch me. RIP TUVIX.

[@SCA440]

This comment wins!!!

[@DrHenrik]

That was rally on point xD she really is in a race with sisko for the worst crimes at least she didn't poison a planet

[@tonyperish5568]

Fortunate Son intensifies

[@OGUNite]

​@@DrHenrikout in the Wilderness Prime Directives are Prime Suggestions

[@PuffyCloud_aka_puffeclaude]

Tuvix was wrong.

[@w7100]

Janeway burned her way across the delta quadrant, made fear feel fear, told death to F off, beat the things that could beat the borg, then destroyed 99.9999% of the borg faster than they could of

[@zeux5583]

Could have, not could of.

[@w7100]

@zeux5583 is their be a assigned seatin chart or can I be seating any place I want? You're chosen ain't it teacher?

[@MukiBlalock]

Use guise!😂😂😂

[@DKNguyen3.1415]

@@w7100 Ehhh, it's one thing to misspell a word. It's one thing to know you're not spelling the word correctly. It's another thing entirely to not know which word it is you're using. In that case it's better to just write coulda because it's slang but it's real slang.

[@Ramzblood]

That's just not believable to me. Not for an enemy like that

[@CosmicCorviknight]

I remember the Borg get mentioned in passing in Discovery which makes me wonder whether they still exist in some form during the 32nd Century or whether they are a just a thing people learn about in history class

[@SuperGamefreak18]

if memory serves and they arent using their classic BS, its likely one of the cooperative factions

[@who-ny5oe]

​@@SuperGamefreak18Does you BS stand for bullshit or borg sphere?

[@GSBarlev]

Are you sure they were mentioned in _DIS?_ I don't remember that at all, and a search on Memory Alpha just turned up the Easter egg that a borg child was in the classroom learning about Federation history in the far future at the end of the _Lower Decks_ episode, "Temporal Edict."

[@CosmicCorviknight]

@@GSBarlev The mention I remember was in Season 4 when one character mentions that Species 10C have shared minds/consciousness and I think the President replied "You mean like the Borg?". The way she said it didn't make it clear if she's referring to the Borg in the present or past tense though

[@Hakar17]

I always liked the theory that the Borg are a reoccurring phenomenon. That happens at different times and with different starting species. So going with that it's possible that the iteration of the Borg we see in TNG. Was indeed wiped out but by the 32nd century a new iteration had started to establish itself.

[@StonedVet81]

The Borg would have been better served with a Dominion War type Arc, instead of the overuse of them over the years.

[@Grayvorn]

That's the direction I went with my fanfic. Federation and allies go to war again when the Borg invade the multiverse.

[@danielveres4351]

I found it great this way.

[@trueLuminus]

They weren't overused. They just weren't used properly. Janeway constantly beating and/or escaping them made no sense; especially, since she wasn't racking up heavy casualties as a result. The Kes copout to get out of Borg space, for instance. Just write a non-contrived way out of the situation.

[@Broockle]

That would have been pretty different. All the story telling would have to be from the Federation though since the Borg's only individual is the Queen. That would have really pushed the writers to their limit, I'm not sure they could pull it off 😆 It wasn't the right decade for that kind of narrative. The tone would feel more like the Expanse I think.

[@volbound1700]

@@trueLuminus to be fair, First Contact kind of ruined them. The time travel mess has me wondering why a Borg Cube just doesn't travel back in time whenever convenient.

[@mawkishdave]

Great video, I never really liked the idea of a queen in the borg, I felt it lowered what they are as a threat. When you first see them there was no talking, no reasoning with them, and no reaching out to their inner good. This was a total opposite of the Federation and how they won most the time. The ending showed you can talk to them, you can reason with them, so they are just like any other enemy.

[@lhei_tayuun]

I always liked the idea that she wasn't really in charge, just thought she was. All of those minds working in tandem and this pattern of a creature just sort of arises periodically from the chaos, more a physical representation of the will and operation of the collective than its "leader". Like a rogue wave, if you will. Decidedly not where they went with it, though, and in the end I agree with you.

[@GSBarlev]

It would have been cool if there hadn't been a queen before "Best of Both Worlds," and that she was a particular adaptation developed as a "Plan B" to Locutus as Plan A to counter the threat of individuality.

[@davfree9732]

I think the Borg were initially a perfect whatif. 'What if the Federation's idea of unity went to far?' The first time they met, production timewise, a cube met the sleek style of the Galaxy class and demonstrated overwhelming power at the cost of individualism. Something the Federation and it's people recoiled from but that it's mission of growing the Federation through peace and choice points towards. A collective that gave everyone the choice to join and/or leave. With the Borg, you don't get a choice. I think over time that idea of the Borg has been lost. They are said to be scary, but the why they are scary has gone the way of the zombie route, rather than a mirror held up to the ideals of the Federation... And if the production people don't know what the Federation is at heart, then the Borg can't be made to be their logical extreme and just become a threat to be knocked down ala Janeway.

[@joegeorge9869]

Agreed. That the Borg were the organized face of demos, the mob, or Legion (“for we are many”) made them more scary than a hierarchy.

[@StarMandoForge]

The Octanti virus that the Octanti use to infect a Borg Cube causing them the equivalent of multiple personality disorder that eventually destroyed themselves … bringing chaos to order

[@nightrunnerxm393]

"Janeway Happened." That's an understatement!

[@peterbui3733]

In the Lower Decks episode "Buffer Time", there was a scene set in the far future of the Federation where kids were learning Federation history. One of the students appeared to be a young Borg. So it appears the Borg as the species existed in the future.

[@jackhosier8498]

1:50 Rick Face Reveal?

[@smithkurtid]

I thought he’d be older 😅

[@BennyLlama39]

@@smithkurtid Yeah, I thought that about Dan(?) from Dead Good Walks until I finally saw his face the other day. 🙂

[@AmelityshTV]

I like that they're still around, and could become a threat again, just not as a collective, but to the same ends

[@ImDelphox]

I wanna know what happens if what's left of the borg joins the dominion. A borg collective under the founders' control could subjugate the whole galaxy.

[@AmelityshTV]

@ImDelphox I'm wondering if the Borg that still believe in their mission would go back to a Queen without the hive mind. Like how 7 of 9 only became more human because she was surrounded by them. If a hundred or so or even more Borg ships moved about like an Empire as opposed to one mind, then they might be a different kind of villain, but still a threat. Or hey, they could attempt to remake the hive mind. I wouldn't mind that. Bring the Borg back in a dramatic way, and either have them as one looming threat like they were between TNG and Voyager, or give them a real villain death as opposed to fizzling out like we did get. I think it would be really cool to see a show or even better a multi-show arc around all different crews and ships like TNG to Voyager, but with small reappearances of The Borg culminating in a real Borg return. But the majority of the outspoken fans at this point don't like new things. How unfortunate

[@OverworkedITGuy]

@@ImDelphox Well the main Dominion is under Odo's control. So doubtful they'd make any progress in that direction. Any other groups of Changelings would all be renegades from the main Dominion host. And we've already seen how that plays out unsuccessfully.

[@alphaone5406]

I think Shaws anger at Picard and his reaction to him in the holodeck in Picard season3 made them scary again.

[@nenaviboe1841]

I subscribe to the fan theory, that the Borg didn't just assimilate but cultivate civilizations. Each incursion into Federation space was like knocking over an ant hill. Come back in a while, and it's rebuilt better than before.

[@CertifiablyIngame]

Prod the UFP to improve then come back to reap the rewards? Risky but makes sense.

[@NATIK001]

I think one of the main arguments against that idea is the First Contact movie. Why would the Borg "cultivate" the Federation and then try to time travel to remove the Federation suddenly? Surely they could just attack with a fleet of Cubes if they thought the Federation had grown too powerful and they wanted to harvest tech and biological "distinctiveness" from the Federation and its member races. I do agree its the best explanation overall for why the Borg don't just dump a few hundred Cubes straight on Earth instead of sending single Cubes at Earth every few years, especially given Voyager's confirmation that the Borg Trans-warp network can dump ships on top of Earth at will. That said I question why the whole plot of First Contact happened like it did if that was the Borg's true objectives.

[@nenaviboe1841]

@CertifiablyIngame Yes, exactly. Risky? Maybe. The character Arcturis from Species 116 stated that Borg probed his species weaknesses for centuries. When the Borg finally came, they surrounded his star system with hundreds of cube. The UFP only experienced one cube at a time.

[@colresswesker8912]

@@NATIK001 I actually think the Borg used time travel to attempt to assimilate Earth in the past as a contingency plan in their ongoing conflict with Species 8472. This video overlooks that fact, but timeline wise, it makes sense that the Borg were already fighting and losing a war to 8472 during the movie First contact. Basically, the threat of 8472 was so extreme to the Collective that the Queen was willing to throw away the technological gains the Collective would have gotten by assimilating Earth in the present to instead establish a new foothold in the Alpha/Beta Quadrant by assimilating it in the past, giving them more territory and time to attempt to adapt to 8472.

[@jmferr2011]

​@@colresswesker8912I see you watch venomgeek98, as well.

[@RoballTV]

Picards Podium, Sisko's Pimp hand and Janeways Mallet, need to be special items in STO. 😁

[@Concreteowl]

You misunderstand what the queen is. she is the Borg. She isnt the leader. This is made clear in her conversations with Data.

[@MrQuantumInc]

She says this and maybe she even believes it, but clearly she is different from regular drones, so it ultimately the contradicts the concept of a hive mind.

[@Chokah]

@@MrQuantumInc Even a "Hive" mind needs some form of Directing/Reproductive force. We see it all the time in nature.

[@UGNAvalon]

And yet in subsequent appearances, the Queen clearly overrides the will of the rest of the Collective.

[@theodoremccarthy4438]

@@MrQuantumIncit doesn’t contradict the idea of a hive mind. It shows that even a hive mind needs a super-ego to provide a sense of self-awareness and to override basic instincts in favor of long term planning.

[@LanceVanceDance84]

@@theodoremccarthy4438 It _does_ contradict the concept of a hive mind. The Borg queen should never have been created. Not only does her existence contradict the entire hive mind thing, but it also makes the Borg feel less intimidating than they initially were on TNG -- when they had no single leader who, if taken out, royally fucks them all up for a period of time. The idea of the Borg as a _true_ hive mind is much more terrifying than what they were eventually turned into.

[@dupersuper1938]

The separate, benign groups likely explain the friendly Borg we see in the 28th century temporal accord meetings in Star Trek Online and Borg student seen in the Lower Decks far future scene.

[@xMasterAssassin93]

I can imagine all the splinter Borg communities from Janeway and Picard's involvements will essentially unify under Doctor Jurati who acts as the Queen of all those saved from the Borg but cannot live without a 'collective' and the trauma doing so can bring. Being part of something bigger and cooperative and then eventually becoming another member of the Federation, or otherwise living the rest of their organic lives until they die off (as they wont be assimilating new people against their will).

[@lokisigmatron6536]

Trauma bond Borg

[@oliverbrown9146]

The spoiler warning graphic was awesome. Nice touch

[@evoSieg]

I've finally discovered where the Jurati Borg fit in the story, awesome vid!

[@ArmageddonEvil]

The Borg Kingdom from the Mirror Universe is so much more scary. Specifically the Star Trek Online variant. The Borg Collective is probably asking for help because of the Borg Kingdom.

[@Chokah]

I like the Control Borg.

[@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent]

The Borg Kingdom is basically the Borg that is well aware of resistance and knows that its capabilities might be countered so its more militeristic and far more dangerous as a result. The Control Borg are actually weaker than the BORG and BORG Kingdom. However there drones do use separate weapons systems that are not integrated making them more flexible.

[@Chokah]

@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent True, but considering the Control Borg, unlike the Kingdom, seem to have actually assimilated all 4 Quadrants of their Galaxy with the exception of a single Iconian Sphere, That's saying something.

[@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent]

@@Chokah Yep. The Control borg are unique in that regard. Likely due to the fact that the Control borg are essentially a grey goo situation. At some point they made contact with that universes borg and became the Control Borg then spread out like a virus. Interestingly unlike the Borg Kingdom and traditional Borg the Control Borg appears to be more willing to converse at its targets indicating more individuality in their collective, although they also make reference of organics being weak, so it doesn't appear the Control Borg is about perfection or uplifting of other species. If anything its just about them taking control of anything and everything. So I guess that means the original BORG is about Unity and Perfection. The BORG Kingdom is Militant and Conquest. The Control BORG is the Virus and Control. So what are the Atherians? I don't trust them and the Borg Kingdom appears to know something about them to the point the kingdom was willing to negotiate a alliance with the Terran Empire.

[@Chokah]

@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent Oh I've been wondering about them as well. The way they focus so MUCH on "Unity" and yet we've so far ONLY met Aetherians from their Universe, no sign of any other races...You'd think making First Contact across Universes, you'd pick a member of a race you're talking to, IF you have any...

[@BNuts]

I never understood how the transporter code was never caught in a routine maintenance. Especially when Dr. Crusher caught the Borg codes in Picard when they were examining him together on the _Enterprise_ . You would also think that Starfleet would be tired of getting hacked and/or assimilated, and have protocols against both situations. But then I guess the plot couldn't happen if that was true. Unfortunate that the last gasp of _Picard_ as a series was one long series of 'because the plot says so.' Interesting that _STO_ gave us two answers to making the Borg a credible threat again. Well, three: they could assimilate whole planets and even the Undine; redoing the Battle of Wolf 359 via simulation, and the different, multiversal versions of the Borg recently encountered.

[@Trent957]

I don't remember the STO regular borg ever being able to do anything to the Undine still, the Mirror Borg could. Tho Mirror Borg/Borg Kingdom in STO are absolutely cracked in terms of power, if your player character wasn't basically space jesus, then basically every power left in the galaxy would be already done. Tho in STO's context and hindsight, most of these galaxy crisis usually involve some alternate version of Tasha Yar or Sela, especially after the last major release that effectively involved alternate versions of both in the same room

[@BNuts]

@@Trent957 There was a bit of a storyline before the Iconian War broke out where we needed to stop a Cube from getting back to the rest of the Collective by destroying it, precisely because they'd assimilated an Undine.

[@MrQuantumInc]

It would be possible, but you would have to corrupt not just a bunch of transporters but the master copy of the blueprints and source code, and much of the organizations that develop this technology and enforce standardization. Though I would agree with you that it seems unlikely with the Federation. It seems unlikely for them to all maintain silence and look the other way when their co-workers and bosses start behaving suspiciously.

[@BNuts]

@@MrQuantumInc And it all goes out the window if a diligent maintenance crew on some random ship finds the codes, and then reports it to their colleagues. I imagine of Nog's _Chimera_ were around, not only would they have stopped the code, but they'd have found the rogue Changelings and worked out a trick to trap them before they could even begin to launch their plan. Nog was very smart and ambitious as a Starfleet officer, and I miss him. His exclusion from all recent missions still hurts. Can't even talk to him at DS9.

[@SiXiam]

@@MrQuantumInc Starfleet does seem to have some sort of unified code database, like GitHub. Constantly receiving both software and hardware updates for every component.

[@thesinfultictac5704]

Rick (and the rest of your production team) I am always impressed and thankful about your ability to summarize, theorize, and explain in a short and meaningful way. Many explaining videos are too long and assume the viewer is ignorant of the material or a moron. Your assumption that we are already familiar with Star Trek canon is a blessing and I'm so pleased you don't overly explain. Summarization while still being able to convey the main point is a sign of critical thinking and good media literacy. Keep up the good work!

[@fatbeard8072]

This was excellent. Thank you for such a great and straight to the point explanation. There was bits of info I needed that I did not put together on how the Queen kept surviving. Kudos!

[@brightlord-ov7cm]

I never understood how a much older tech ship was able to defeat a future Borg ship when essentially they should've been able to adapt easily to everything that they had to throw at the Borg.

[@Karn0010]

Like horror movie villains. The more you see of them the less scary they are. After Best of Both Worlds the Borg always felt less threatening.

[@LarsLoveToMosh]

Plot Armor...The Borg are Destroyed by Plot Armor and overuse😅

[@Stormcrow_1]

Like all big bads in fiction, they're a lot scarier the less the audience knows.

[@TerranceChilds-ui8nh]

This story was very well written

[@ChocolatierRob]

Well you mentioned the virus that Janeway tricked the Queen into assimilating but did not mention that this was paired with the destruction of the Borg trans-warp system. The ability to quickly move throughout the galaxy was one of their Ace in the hole advantages but this was also crippled by Janeway’s actions.

[@TechnoSpice]

I find it incredible the Borg lasted as long as they did when in fact, assimilation was the cause of its downfall every single time it failed. How does it, as a hive mind, not learn from this? It keeps assimilating things that break it from the inside and are like "let's try that again".

[@misterpeterman]

“Janeway happened.” Nice!

[@WAFFENAMT1]

Great this series had its golden age over 20 years ago and is still being spoken about in the Media...

[@rgreed20081]

The Borg Cooperative was one of the powers behind the Temporal Treaty in the 29th Century. It is likely that the Borg of the Cooperative and the other Borg Unions Hhve become Nomadic while maintaining some base colonies for various reasons. Unlike Collective, being part of the Borg Unions is voluntary. Oddly one of main reasons why the Borg had survived was due to a lot of races assimilated did mind being part of a Hive structure as long as they were able to maintain individuality.

[@poetscotty]

I think they should adapt and become more sentient connection through time making the Borg Emperor do a story with collective.

[@randybentley2633]

Where the Borg often fail is when they encounter and dismiss the bedrock of resistance, which is tenacity, and boy-howdy, does the Federation have a neutron star's mass worth of tenacity.

[@camerontungate]

1:53 I honestly wasn't expecting a face reveal. Never thought it would happen.😅

[@morelenmir]

I prefer the book-canon's solution to the Borg--re-admit them into the far more powerful group mind they were originally separated from in the distant past. Far better to prevent the Borg from _wanting_ to assimilate instead of killing every single one of them to prevent them from doing so. Shame about Risa though...

[@ts25679]

The Borg would have been better served inviting client species to join the collective of their own free will and offering to trade information. So long as they also gave people the option to pursue individual goals and leave if they wanted, they could have had a positive influence and a thriving nation. Since they had time travel tech I think they should also have set up a time loop like All you need is kill / Edge of tomorrow, so they could course correct when things go wrong. Yeah, maybe there are time cops about, but I don't think the timelines Trek got are a golden path to prosperity worth defending against alternatives.

[@Eucep]

As the army of the undead, something similar will eventually return. But I consider Q's long term planning to have been succesfull.

[@ajc-ff5cm]

Qs assessment of the Borg in the first encounter at J25 was its greatest strength and its undoing: you damage them and the essence of who they are remains. Theyre relentless. Every drone and every cube the borg lost became something they had to replace and they could only do so through overpowering monolithic force. Enough anomalies, disruptions, and pissed off star fleet captains, and the essence of the Borg can no longer sustain itself.

[@robinbest2729]

They became like the Daleks, a once great enemy that each time they were faced they became less and less of a threat and changed from the all powerful enemy to nothing more than a inconvenience.

[@bigguy7353]

Hello. All. Rick. Here. That must have been difficult to say. It sounded difficult. Were you doing deadlifts or something? 🤣🤣🤣

[@alexanders2757]

Haha! I didn’t notice but I went back and listened. Too funny!!!

[@Peizxcv]

They really overexposed the BORG and completely ruined it in VOY. Having a queen is ok as first among equal but making her illogical and basically a plotting human is stupid. The BORG is a force of nature, dumb them down to basically zombies was just stupid

[@lassesipila6418]

First read the picture title as "How the Borg feel" and with the picture being getting their hinds kicked, that was really funny. 😂

[@VulpisFoxfire]

It's interesting that if you include the apocrypha that is the Trek Novel serieses, the Borg aren't the first hive mind in the setting...I seem to recall at least one novel involving a linked collective, though that was a linked set of individuals (more in the style that is exemplified by Mars in the 'Miracle of Science' webcomic) rather than one that removed individuality. To be honest, I would have loved to have seen something like that pop up in Trek as a counter-point to the Borg we got. ("You call that a hive-mind? *This* is a hive-mind, you boring saps!").

[@dwboston1]

Pretty sure the Jarada were created to be a hive-mind species, with an entire back-story cooked up by writer Tracy Torme', none of which made it to the screen in TNG's "The Big Goodbye".

[@WilliamAmbervein]

The one time they were mentioned in Discovery they seemed like allies of the federation now.

[@CraigLYoung]

Thanks for sharing 👍 and Merry Christmas to you and your family 😊

[@LordExor]

The Borg Queen's final death was like Palpatine's final death in TROS. She really is the Palpatine of Star Trek.

[@livingdeadgirla]

“Resistance is never futile.” Such a great video 💃🌻🕺

[@mattsamoto4451]

I wodered how jacked they were after admiral janeway. It seemed like the did strike the cirppling blow.

[@jhf2121]

A good comprehensive history. My only complaint is you made me remember ST: Picard is a thing.

[@LCTesla]

Janeway on Voyager's bridge, when the Borg fell

[@samtro]

One big setback you missed was the destruction of at least part of their subspace corridors by the Janewax Mallet :)

[@Genguidanos]

"You can't outrun them. You can't destroy them. If you damage them the essence of what they are remains. They regenerate and keep coming. Eventually you will weaken, your reserves will be gone. They are relentless!"

[@DylanCDigel]

I dream of the Borg being reintroduced as terrifying horror-type villains.

[@gregfam6250]

Thank you for this summary! I was just wondering how the Borg were doing.

[@alexxbaudwhyn7572]

Picard and Locutus at Tanagra, when the Borg fell

[@rubaiyat300]

Disappointed by the Borg's seeming destruction by Janeway as shown in Picard. Feel like THEY of all antagonists could not possibly be undone by such meager time travel shenanigans. Not when the Borg Queen is first introduced by tut tutting Picard about thinking so 3 dimensionally. Like yeah if the Doctor showed up in a Tardis and took them out from all of time, sure. That's a temporal supernova. Janeway was a minor cold in comparison and it was quite underwhelming all things considered. I guess the writers figured the Borg were just too big a threat to just have out there at full strength.

[@TheBigExclusive]

The problem with Star Trek writers is they want the Federation to be able to defeat every enemy. Some enemies should be far beyond the Federation.

[@Aleksandrgrc]

I've always took it as. They where destined for defeated. And it's part of the depth of Qs game. He pulled all the right strings to make a chance blossom. I believe that more now with the end of picard.

[@Numba003]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't think Voyager gets enough love. It was a good show, and Janeway was fun to watch, particularly when she got ticked off, lol. Thank you for the video! God be with you out there, everybody. ✝️ :)

[@SKy_the_Thunder]

I still think the Borg as we know them are still out there - among other variants. We've seen several instances of Borg forming "sub-collectives", from the time-traveling Queen to a set of drones Seven of Nine assimilated into their own group to stave off their individuality. The same could happen to plenty of factions of the original Collective. Some may span a significant fraction of the original Borg territory, others may be limited to a few systems or a small fleet of ships. That would keep the Borg around, while still giving an explanation as to why they've been so weakened for so long: With the original Collective fractured, there would be plenty of infighting between the factions. Even aside from groups like the Cooperative or freed individuals, who would stand against the nature of the Borg, you would have minor differences between the Collectives that would make them insist on weeding out the other - like whether a central Queen is a necessary feature, or a corruption of the concept of the Collective. It would also give the writers freedom to explore all kinds of what-if scenarios around the Borg in canon. Those can range from political tension between freed ex-Borg and mistrustful species that had suffered under Borg incursions, over benevolent hives, to more exotic concepts like "marauder" Borg physically modified to hunt down assimilation targets, a sentient dyson sphere effectively seeing its drones as blood cells, or disconnected nanoprobes causing a "zombie" infestation on a pre-industrial planet...

[@SumofluffyVIDS]

I know there were people who wished the Borg Queen was never introduced (Me included), as having the Borg being this decentralized, entirely zombie-like hive mind was extremely unsettling and that the Queen being introduced just to give a main enemy for the Movie so it would follow a more movie-standard format, was a big weakness because there was now a center point, and in a way almost humanized the borg. It seems that weakness was fully exploited lol. I wonder if the original idea of the Borg being entirely decentralized had remained consistent, what kind of stories we would have had.

[@christopherg2347]

9:05 "Janeway happened" is one way to put it, lol.

[@emperor002002]

The Borg should've never lost.

[@locker1325]

What an awesome video. Absolutely loved it

[@jayrey5390]

I love that closing - "resistance is never futile" I know it probably wasn't in reference to anything but I've been watching a lot of Ukrainian news recently and it really struck a chord - Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦✊🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇬🇧 Thanks for another great Star Trek video - we interpret them individually but the message is the same - the future is bright and if we work together we can make it a reality. Happy new year! Heroyam Slava.

[@marktaylor6553]

Great video. Very informative.

[@patrickhogan9256]

Borg normal: "Risistance will result in assimilation" Borg mirror universe: " resistance will result in assassination"

[@davfree9732]

The Borg might be one note, but they were one note to Roddenbury's vision of the future. The perfect 'this is what happens when you take Federation ideals to extremes'.

[@KyIeMcCIeIIan]

I imagine in the beginning fight against the Borg there weren't many attack patterns to choose from because until then space combat was many ships against many ships instead of just one.

[@FoolOverride]

I love The Jurati. They are the best form of the Borg. I kinda hoped that they would show up in Discovery as a member of the federation, but oh well.

[@patrickhogan9256]

Anti borg device: Elecomagnetic sponge programed to exclude federation, klinon and romulan and vulcan ship energy signatures

[@thecommenter9678]

Picard's Folly, not sending the virus.

[@meow7983]

The Borg underestimated the human “Malice” the willingness to do untold level of harm

[@rylanasher4756]

Janeway was a fierce captain. She gets a lot of trash talk for behaving, at times, in a manner that isnt entirely aligned with starfleet's philosophy. But what was she to do? Stranded 6 years away from Starfleet space, alone in an unkown and highly hostile part of the galaxy, you need to bend the rules to survive sometimes. She didn't abandon her Starfleet ideals, but she did express the full power of her humanity and successfully found the Voyager back to Earth. It's a pretty cool story. Shes a pretty cool captain

[@LycanWitch]

The downfall of the Borg was guaranteed when they accidently caused Janeway to break her favorite coffee cup. An act so unforgivable...

[@AndrewD8Red]

Voyager utterly destroyed the Borg. Voyager the series. Not the ship.

[@lordProxid]

I would love a film trilogy where the movers ST Destiny gets adapted

[@mattsamoto4451]

In spite of picards exp. with the borg, i feel Janeway, Past and future were always to biggest threat. Everytime the Queen says "janeway 😠" It makes me laugh every time.

[@OverworkedITGuy]

Good stuff as always.

[@JasonJohnson-fw2bc]

I find it strangely fascinating that the Borg had defeated civilisations supposedly far more superior than the federation and also never sent more than 1 cube to assimilate earth. Also the Borg obviously had the technology to time travel so when janeway travelled back in time to release the pathogen to defeat the borg then I have to ask why didn't the borg simply also time travel to intercept and stop captain janeway from ever releasing the pathogen.

[@Progection]

Borg: Cause of death - No coffee in the collective.

[@robinchwan]

the borg queen must have gotten a brain hemorage from trying to understand why a group of individuals managed to remove the rug underneath the borg!

[@TerrenceChilds-xz3xu]

This store is very well writing

[@stevieturner9338]

Thank you Rick

[@djneo92nl]

"Queen takes Queen". True !

[@torokllts]

"Undone by the tools of her own making." As others have said, I think you meant bad writing and overuse. 😂 It's hard to be the "mysterious" big baddy of the setting when the writers of Picard default to them as the main antagonist almost every time.

[@CollinBuckman]

Honestly, I think they would have stopped being scary over time regardless- a mysterious foe will never stay mysterious forever in a series all about exploring the unknown and figuring out the mysteries of the universe.

[@torokllts]

@CollinBuckman True. And to your point I would have preferred waiting until Starfleet at least started exploring the Delta Quantrant more to finally unravel the mystery of what happened to the Borg after Janeway. Some of the later shows make the Borg seem almost obsessed with humanity (or vice-versa). I.e. Picard where the Borg were the primary focus for two full seasons (with the third season hardly acknowledging the events and the borg factions of the second season at all.)

[@anarchyantz1564]

Rule number one. Never piss off a person who has not had their coffee.

[@GoNo117]

I can't wait until Borg 2 comes out.