Dimensity 9400 - 1x Cortex-X925, with 3x X4 and 4x A720 cores plus a 12-core Immortalis-G925 GPU

[@benjaminlee3669]

I’m amazed by how well the Dimensity 9400 handles multitasking! It seems to effortlessly manage multiple apps at once, all thanks to the powerful Dimensity chip!

[@wisdomyaw03]

29.1 billion transistors?😮 That's even more than M4's 28 billion transistors!

[@AllConcord]

Bigger die But i thought bigger die means slower communication hence lower efficiency? Any engineers why mediatek build a bigger die cpu?

[@GamingWithBlitzThunder]

@@AllConcord More transistors, more load it can put in. It doesn't mean slower communication. Just compare to older SoC, they're latency is a lot worse.

[@israellewis5484]

​@@AllConcord How does bigger automatically mean slower communication?

[@AllConcord]

@@GamingWithBlitzThunder this one im referring @israellewis5484 Latency

[@austinnafziger4159]

@@israellewis5484 He is probably referring to the fact that since the chip is just physically bigger and electrical signals travel around the speed of light, there is a tiny bit more time taken for a signal to go from one side of the chip to the other. Im not sure if these chips are big enough for it to be an issue, but on the timescale of CPU cycles it can actually matter.

[@onehourmusicbc]

Some Chinese media have tested this chip, to me, it's just outright fascinating. Tho CPU performance isn't as great as A18 pro, it is on par with A17. But what's more surprising is that the GPU, seemingly a tiny step on spec sheet, actually is better performing then A18 pro! More performance, more efficient... Tho I am fine with a shitty Tensor G3, can't imagine what a dimensity 9400 can bring to android market. Proud to be a Taiwanese, proud to study EE here. Hopefully one day I can work at MediaTek. :)

[@BlackHawkTejas]

Hopefully! MediaTek start releasing their Chip kernels, would add more attractiveness to their chip.

[@lucasbrown7338]

It's great to see MediaTek pushing boundaries with the Dimensity 9400. This chipset is definitely worth the hype!

[@mannkeithc]

MediaTek's 9400 has a respectable jump in performance over their 9300 and could begin to challenge Apple's crown. It also gives you an insight into what MediaTek could achieve if they enter the Windows 11 arm PC processors market in 2025.

[@dagnisnierlins188]

The problem is windows on arm itself, doesn't matter who makes the SoC

[@GaryExplains]

What issues do you have with Windows Arm itself?

[@migueljardim8177]

​@@GaryExplainsI'm going to guess that he means limited compatability for certain niche apps. Apps running under emulation don't run as well as apps that run natively.

[@paulbarnett227]

@@migueljardim8177 That situation should fix itself over time assuming software vendors provide an Arm build of their products.

[@TamasKiss-yk4st]

When they enter the ARM Windows market they will help but also harm the ARM apps.. they further decrease the x86 market which can help some dev to choose the ARM Windows as their target to release an app (but who wish to only earn 5% of the potential earning when the other market have 95%.. because the main problem is that x86 is still exists, unlike Apple who discontinued the x86 when their ARM chip released, Windows still keeping the x86, so devs still will continue to made their apps with the bigger market share, what is the x86, not the ARM...), and they also fragmanting the market even more, just remember how many ARM based Android smartphone chip manufacturer exists, basically paying all 6-7 company to make their yearl development/improvements.. also lowerig the manufacturing amount per chip also increase the price.. what do you think, who will get a bigger discount, Apple on a 200million chip order, or Qualcomm/Mediatek on a 20million chip order..? And 5-10% extra discount on those chips are have a huge impact on the final price too.. so fragmenting the market even more is not the most clever thing, users paying more and more for basically less and less improvements.. (because each company will demand the development price back, and because of the smaller order amounts the discount is also lower, which just raise the price what you need to pay for it..)

[@anb4351]

I wish there were more westerm OEM's using Mediatek chips

[@andyH_England]

Thanks, Gary! Nice to see that we can compare Apples with apples, as all three flagship SOCs will be based on the same TSMC 3nm-Gen2 architecture. So we can get an idea of the ARM designs and how platforms and OSes vary in efficiency and performance. I suspect this will be the closest for a long time. Sadly, but not surprisingly, Samsung Fabs are having issues, mainly with a yield, so if we do see their 3nm, it won't be until mid-2025. Though they may be forced to skip to 2nm.

[@crazyelf1]

The GPU is really good on the MediaTek SOC and the X925 is the best competition we've seen from Android compared to the Apple M series of CPUs. Overall ARM and MediaTek have made impressive progress.

[@nowornever23]

i think we have a very competent rival to Snapdragon X elite... i would buy a laptop with a Dimensity 9400...

[@vladmihai306]

the rival will be the chip that mediatek launches next year in partnership w/ nvidia

[@nowornever23]

@@vladmihai306 this is news to me :O

[@noobgamer4709]

@@vladmihai306 Yeah i was using the D1200, D9000, D9200+ and currently on D9300+. Gotta say, D9300+ is a beast compared to the D9200+. Looks like, D9400 also will be good but this time im gonna wait for D9500 which could possibly have Nvida GPU in it considering Nintendo Switch 2 leaks are saying it can run at 5-9w ish on battery which will be using Nvidia GPU. so i have high hope for D9500 to be partnering with Nvidia for the GPU. I was hoping for AMD to bring a change in mobile SoC. so far only Samsung seems to be adopting it and using their own process node. If E2400 were to be manufactured with TSMC, im sure Xclipse GPU will be good. Now only Nvidia probably will bring the competition on the GPU side. ARM need more competitor in the GPU segment.

[@TamasKiss-yk4st]

Dymensity 9xxx series is a phone chip, not a laptop chip. So you won't see them against each other.

[@artim96]

Trust me, you don't want that. MediaTek is infamous for their bad hardware and abysmal software. Even if all those numbers are true, it would literally be a wonder if stuff like WiFi, mobile network and Bluetooth didn't suck majorly. There are already laptops with MediaTek WiFi/BT chips, and they are leaps and bounds worse than any Intel chip.

[@vincelongman3264]

MediaTek's "All Big Core" branding is quite misleading considering the die area of the A720 is basically the same as Apple's E Core. It's just Arm's A520s are TINY. Nonetheless, can't wait for your review of D9400 vs 8g4

[@lekejoshua4402]

Isn't it obvious 😑 it's 8 cores 🤷🤷

[@vincelongman3264]

@@lekejoshua4402 Yes, 8 cores. 1 big + 3 mid + 4 little. Not 8 big cores. Arm's A5xx cores are more like tiny cores relative to Apple/Intel's little cores

[@SussySmurf]

Arm's Cortex-A500s are not that small for the type of core they are, a pair of them in a complex is almost the size of a Cortex-A700s. Its size is relatively disproportionate to the little performance and "efficiency" it's supposed to offer. And Apple's implementation of CPU L2 caches differ to that of Arm's clients'. Apple's 4 E-cores uses a pool of shared CPU L2 cache that is located outside the cores while Arm's L2 caches are private and located inside the cores. So it can be unfair to just compare to the sizes of the core and not include the caches which impacts performance. Apple's CPU L2 is closer (but not necessarily the same) to the L3 cache implementation of Arm's clients.

[@AlexHusTech]

*Waiting to see how SD8G4 stacks up now*

[@mrbigberd]

According to Geekerwan, A18 waits a significant amount of time before boosting to 4GHz clocks (race-to-sleep died a long time ago). I'm guessing this means your IPC measurements aren't accurate.

[@thetruthisouttheregofindit128]

Apparently they reverted that to avoid any misunderstandings/lawsuits of apple “slowing down their phones” The gb6 scores for a18p is outdated too. It does around 3500 and 8800 for single and multi core respectively

[@jaselvd]

I'm glad that MediaTek is bringing more competitive products to the space, however, I find it very difficult going back to a phone with their SoC after the absolutely awful experiences I've had with them. And, even if they had fixed all of their issues and support was equally as good as most SD phones, do I really need a slightly faster phone? These days SoCs are so much more than just CPU and GPU and I find most people don't realize that, a questionable SoC, might be the reason your wifi or sound quality or pictures suck, even if it's very fast.

[@4bafiafzil999]

Is mediatek still easily doable for custom ROM? I don't think so much except some popular one like G90T

[@Menetse]

Dimensity series proven to be as good as Snapdragon in the past at least 3 years. Single core and gaming performance wise the Snapdragon still takes the lead yet the diffirence is quite of quite minimal. On multicore, however, dimensity is actually superior to Snapdragon. I guess apples CPU's still remain superior to both. For android Dimensity is a pretty safe option though

[@deliternity]

Don't forget that the software might screw up, for example, the photos might suck if the camera app, settings or it's libraries are bad.

[@alskdj5701]

Been using vivo x80 for 2 years now. Still runs awesome and no issues.

[@vladmihai306]

very strange why they did not change the a720 to a725

[@AdiDobre90]

Hi @GaryExplains, thanks for the video! I think the reference scores for A18 Pro might need a little refresh. My phone (16 Pro) scores significantly higher, single core: 3539-3588, multi core: 8755-8976. Might be due to a iOS update?

[@ronmaximilian6953]

I look forward to the Windows in ARM SOC.

[@corneliusjermainehightower7539]

Mediatek has a good product! What they were able to do on a 4nm process versus the 3nm snapdragon gen is incredible, so switching to a 3nm is no surprise. If they take a chunk out of Qualcomm’s business I wouldn’t be surprised. I do find it funny every company except Samsung can get there chips right and when it comes to fabrication Samsung should just stop sell whatever’s left of that business to TSMC and focus on other areas. I already brought a tab S10 so I can confidently say I would buy more products with there chips.

[@Shalomrutere]

9:49 Phone-to-phone direct Bluetooth connection of up to 1.5km❗ Can this really be implemented on actual phones👀

[@Winnetou17]

But but, at 5:10 if we take 15% more IPC and add 11% higher frequency we get 1.15 * 1.11 = 27.65% more performance. How does it get to 35% ? The benefits from the extra cache should be included in the IPC gain.

[@denniscarlson9297]

Great video! Currently using S23U and loving it. Never ever felt that I needed a faster processor. Just my 2 cents. Looking forward to seeing real world testing though.

[@wilsonbotlero2363]

Why don't all new chips have AV1 encode?

[@vernearase3044]

As I always say, for most consumer workloads, the single core speed determines the computer's snappiness … so bravo on putting a stronger p-core into the mix. OTOH, with three tiers of CPUs, I'm glad _I'm_ not the one writing the dispatcher - or have they gone the Apple route and included an on-SoC hardware dispatcher?

[@D.u.d.e.r]

Excellent chip analysis, thx Gary! Too bad Mediatek isn't targeting also PC market besides Qualcomm's X-Elite/Plus. Mediatek can achieve amazing efficiency and performance per watt even without completely architecture customization with the Arm's in house CPU & GPU cores.

[@rudrapratapchand7606]

Sir what about you speed test videos,, those test are super accurate

[@akshatkumar3461]

Expecting amazing gaming experiences with Immortalis-G925 GPU supporting ray tracing technology in D9400.

[@alskdj5701]

Did you see the GPU performance in the Geekerwan video? It blew my mind away.

[@mikiswordbreaker4805]

Sadly game developers are still unwilling to optimize their games to work with the Arm Immortalis GPU API..hence we will surely see games will run better on Adreno GPU..despite how much Arm GPU improvement..

[@GaryExplains]

@mikiswordbreaker4805 What is "the Arm Immortalis GPU API"???

[@mikiswordbreaker4805]

@@GaryExplains I read some comments about this.. don't know if its graphics API or not (as far as i knew, API probably mean either OpenGL or Vulkan) or maybe I'm misunderstood something..but yeah..still game devs hardly optimize their games on Arm in-house GPU..

[@spiceMonkey007]

Can you please explain the differences between ARMv8 and v9 and the improvements we can expect?

[@GaryExplains]

I covered that when Armv9 was announced. Video on this channel.

[@Skinnypole_clara]

This is going to be Xiaomi 15T Pro new chip next year! I can't wait

[@lekejoshua4402]

Nah it's gonna be 9400+

[@debojitmandal8670]

Ok new news with the latest ios updates the single core is bw 3550-3600 for a18 pro

[@wiiiLLm]

My favorite college professor.

[@olafschermann1592]

Looking forward to seeing new Windows on ARM notebooks with this new competition

[@floppa9415]

Is there actually a way or App to use the HW encoders on Android to re-encode a video library for example? Like 8K AVC in realtime sounds really sweet.

[@ashar8192]

I wish there was a way in first place on how to find out whether an app is using the media engine to encode the video :/ (apart from just looking at the CPU utilization). Makes most video rendering speed tests obsolete without this information Sorry for not answering your question, I have no idea lol

[@Faraz-cse]

I wonder if Snapdragon 8 Elite will use 4x Cortex - A725 in lower performance cores. Then it will again beat MediaTek.

[@GaryExplains]

I think the next Snapdragon won't use any Arm designed Cortex cores.

[@Faraz-cse]

@@GaryExplains wow, just like they have their own custom GPU cores. 🫨

[@GaryExplains]

Yes. Qualcomm announced last year that the next generation of mobile procesor will use Qualcomm's custom CPU cores like it has for the Snapdragon X range.

[@am_ma]

I have a question and please if you know answer me: Which of thise chipsets of mediatek support Miracast . And which phones support Miracast I mean if you have a link that show all Miracast supported chipsets and phones. And if it is a licence where one can find the public data that show which company or device have that licence. Thank you in advance.

[@Nemesis_678]

D9400 and A18 pro are based on ARM V9.2A but 8Gen4 is based on V8. So it should lack SME support and as a result will it have lower scores compared to competition in Geekbench and how will it fare in AI workloads?Geekbench had SME as performance matrics in it for some time now. GARY Plz explain this when the chips come out 🙏.

[@AllConcord]

Where did you get this information? Gsm?

[@AllConcord]

i read those articles. Are those even real? Can someone confirm me

[@GaryExplains]

@ModernSimon The Snapdragon 8 Gen 4 is probably going to be Armv8. The Oryon CPU used in the Snapdragon X is Armv8 because Nuvia had an Armv8 license and design when Qualcomm bought it. It is highly unlikely that Qualcomm has now moved to Armv9. Apple is on Armv9.2 at the moment.

[@Nemesis_678]

​@@AllConcordit's based on multiple articles of "early geekbench" testing of 8 gen 4. It shows arm v8 in the result. There seems to be two different configs- one with much higher clock speed (tested on 1+ 13)and the other with a slightly lower clock speed(tested on S25 U probably). And of course the 1+ 13 has impressive Geekbench scores. So I was asking if SME had any effects on that.

[@mohammadrafeh9962]

I wish you were my professor

[@bbbl67]

What does Sub-6 and mmWave mean?

[@Steve-Richter]

A separate question, could you do a video that explains why Intel does not produce a new CPU which contains more and more cores? A way to run AI workloads without the need for a GPU.

[@oliversmith7354]

With a multi-core score near 10,000, Dimensity 9400 is ready for some serious mobile gaming and heavy apps!

[@sam3kperv]

Gary, waiting for you to explain the snapdragon 8gen 4

[@MrOrtmeier]

Apple are still easy ahead with their designs. Sounds like Mediatek just upped the clock speeds which means running hotter, using more battery

[@GaryExplains]

But Apple does the same and is running at an even higher clock speed.

[@MrOrtmeier]

@@GaryExplains Are they? I must have missed that. In which case this chip might have good battery because the iPhone has incredible battery efficiency.

[@ra.japanfrcs4274]

😂😂😂😂 wrong,@geekerwan1024 watch this channel for proof, this is not mediatek in 2018

[@quantumdot7393]

this thing has more transistors than the M4. how the hell is this a phone SoC.

[@batuhanguvenc6633]

Ooh i didn't know that . Do you know 18 pro transistor count ? Difference will be huge 2p 2 e cores and 4 gpu cores . 21 billon ?ti doesn't have modem but it is still very big gap .

[@wisdomyaw03]

@@batuhanguvenc6633 A18 Pro has about 19 billion transistors compared to Dimensity's 29 billion.

[@sgodsellify]

I see it's using LPDDR5x 10667 MHz RAM with that chip. At that frequency, that RAM must be included in the SOC with the CPU/GPU/...? I heard that any RAM rated above 10000 MHz has to be very close to the CPU, is that true?

[@volodumurkalunyak4651]

21 GT/s GDDR6X isnt that close to modern GPU's.

[@Winnetou17]

* 10667 MT/s (aka 5333 MHz) About how close they need to be ... I don't know. The traces/wire paths have to be the same length. And strong protection from interference. But I don't think they REALLY need to be über close to get to that speed. Having it closer means less voltage needed for the memory controller, which lowers power needed. Absolutely done so on a smartphone CPU.

[@AboutTimeFFS]

Professor!

[@batuhanguvenc6633]

A720 why ? A725 already 25 percent more efficent . Now they are playing for low cost i guess but a725 cant be much bigger than a720 so i am a bit dissopointed

[@noobgamer4709]

one is probably the cost. licensing new core will cost them more, also the a720 isnt that bad. when i enabled power monitoring tools during gaming session, a720 barely used at all staying around 0.2-0.5ghz while 3 X4 core aroung 1.7ghz and the super X4 core around 0.1ghz. mind you this is gaming session. also D9300 already beat 8 Gen 3 in battery life. my suspect is that they are gonna bring a730 with bigger power saving and nvidia based gpu D9500 so it still maintain the same power at a much more higher performance. N3E pretty much the best node on TSMC right now and 2nm are gonna be Apple only node next year.

[@Winnetou17]

@@noobgamer4709 But dind't they have to pay to get them with ARM v9.2 too ? Feels like a wasted opportunity.

[@fjdkfdfjdf33]

cache is king!

[@XFr4ctor]

I am interested only if it comes in Samsung s25..

[@GustavoHenriqueCunhaCalanzani]

Weird they are not using the new Cortex A725 in a flagship

[@faishalafif1881]

right? I thought they will go with 4 X925 + 4 A725 or maybe I'm expecting too much?🤔

[@nemesiszz]

i hope Mediatek modem here is good, in laptop mediatek modem are the worst which i experienced.

[@John.0z]

For a phone, not really. But I am quite interested to see a small desktop or small board computer using one. 😁

[@fidelisitor8953]

I think a laptop would be best for this chip as it operates on battery and it can be passively cooled.

[@John.0z]

@@fidelisitor8953 I tend to agree - it is a very powerful chip for a phone!

[@sdqsdq6274]

lol cant believe i would be owning a phone with mediatek chipset , this chip with the new sony camera module seem to be dominating the market currently

[@jmirodg7094]

is there any non Chinese phones that plan to use this chip?

[@GaryExplains]

What non Chinese phone makers are there except for Samsung, Sony, Google and Apple?

[@brunosalezze]

If Mediatek starts making its driver distribution open, I may consider using their products. On mobile land, only the people who do custom roms care about it, but for desktops, it will not cut it.

[@GaryExplains]

You mean all drivers on the desktop are open source? Really?

[@israellewis5484]

What?

[@MatheusFerreira-si4ju]

All 10 people on reddit who cares about roms will be happy

[@nemesiszz]

6:20 Tensor is competing with sanctioned Kirin series 😂 But Even after sactions Kirin is better

[@Vyomesh-ir5hq]

Where's the Nvidia GPU 😢?

[@金蜜蜂]

ARM GPU Very powerful😂

[@kannananand3655]

@@Vyomesh-ir5hq Dimensity 9400 already beat appe M4 chip and A18 pro in gfx bench it's already powerful

[@19cmgang]

Laptop next year

[@ZackSNetwork]

@@kannananand3655We’re are the benchmarks?

[@Alchemist523]

well i have heard that Snapdragon is long lasting than mediatek

[@detaart]

I understand that non-homogeneous designs have their advantages, but this is getting ridiculous. How is a process scheduler supposed to govern this efficiently? Three tiers of processing cores, three tiers of cache and a shared L3 cache between them. What a mess.

[@GaryExplains]

Three tiers has been the norm for several generations of mobile procesor from Qualcomm, Samsung and MediaTek. The scheduler doesn't have a problem with such a setup. It isn't any harder than working with two tiers.

[@detaart]

@@GaryExplains It becomes a problem when not all cores support the same features. That's why intel had to disable AVX512 in their E-cores. The silicon is there. They just can't enable it. And yes, this introduces more scheduling overhead.

[@GaryExplains]

Yes, but Intel was very foolish to offer a heterogenous setup where not all the cores support the same features. Arm has never done that, and never will. It is an irrelevant point.

[@ContentOrange]

Yet last year Dimensity 9300 smartphone have longer battery life than 8 Gen 3 phone.

[@noobgamer4709]

@@ContentOrange even with A18pro out, some reviewer are changing phone model/make to better fits the Apple Better narrative. Geekerwan reviewed A18pro and theres has been a change in between result for D9300+. for gaming they use the K70ultra(probably because apple wins either way) and for battery life they use the X100 series phone. Vivo coming close to A18pro with only 5100mah while K70ultra pack 5500mah battery. even with 5100mah, it wins against 8 gen 3 and narrowly behind A18pro. i know there are better phone for 8 gen 3 but those are mainly gaming focused phone.

[@KateHikes666]

Mediatek dimensity is somthing that excites me unlike the heating junk Snapdragon.

[@od1sseas663]

The A18 Pro is so dissapointing.

[@nazrinasraf5819]

A missed opportunity for tab s10 ultra not using this chip

[@kannananand3655]

Dimensity 9400 beat Apple M4 and A18 pro in gfx bench

[@wisdomyaw03]

@@kannananand3655 ... because it has 12 GPU cores! That's 2 more than M4 and 6 more than A18 Pro

[@DravkatRakhmonessis]

Fr?

[@kannananand3655]

@@DravkatRakhmonessis yes

[@kannananand3655]

@@wisdomyaw03 older Kirin and mediatek, Exynos has 6 to 10 core gpu but it couldn't beat apple processors but now mtk d 9400 beat in gfx bench

[@sklynexd]

No wonder samsung is choosing mediatek now for their tablets

[@DarkPa1adin]

I dont think Qualcomm will be able to compete with 9400

[@GaryExplains]

😂

[@pHZerœ]

Love to see the RedMagic to fully utilise the power of D9400...

[@eduard6450]

Will use Qualcomm instead

[@noobgamer4709]

@@eduard6450 Fame play quite a good part in sale.

[@JJ-bj6hg]

Why is nobody mentioning Googles AI help in designing the chips lol.

[@GaryExplains]

Why "lol"? Google's AlphaChip is a machine learning technique to help with the layout of the transistors. Good idea from Google, and a good application of AI. But it isn't an AI that "designed" the chip.

[@aayankhan942]

Well in 2-4 years Moore's law will be dead. Then what?

[@Mohamedahmed-jz7xd]

Apple is boring and overrated compared to what snapdragon and mediatek offers each year Truly impressive update specially the gpu & camera isp.

[@r2stik]

nVidia

[@SatisHKumaR-ow2ui]

Please restart your speed test G channel this time its more relevant

[@jeofthevirtuoussand]

my phone has a mediatek processor .... garbage

[@peanutbutterjellyjam2179]

I see quite a few Apple fanboys here🤣🤣🤣

[@Paulie8K]

Meanwhile I'm still rocking a Pixel 6 with the first gen Tesnor G1 ☠Granted, it still works perfectly smooth. May upgrade to a phone with a SD Gen 4 such as the next OnePlus next year.

[@Infernox-tg6ky]

This is a CPU for people who wants big numbers on specifications and doesn't care much on how each brand will exploit it with their software. With this CPU, Mediatek just wants to show off on multicore benchmarks to match Apple and yet the single core performance is lower than than the 8gen4, A18 pro and A18. 4 High performance cores + 4 Performance cores will ofc give big scores and perfromance. But this power will be also used on the most basic tasks and consume more than enough power.

[@ContentOrange]

Geekerwan website show Dimensity 9300 have better battery efficiency than 8 Gen 4 btw. So stop crying Qualcomm fanboy.

[@noobgamer4709]

Clearly you didnt use it. i have multiple MTK SoC based phone and the D9300+ are the best of them in both battery on daily usage and gaming performance. This is coming from me whose been using D9000 and D9200+ and none of those tops the D9300+ in battery. One thing you need to know is IPC of each core. A720 can do A520 task at lower power because the core is much more powerful. the downside of it is that if you used benchmarking app all the time which will boost all the core to maxed and throttle. it showed what the chip can do at maxed power but not what a chip can do on a normal daily usage. a normal daily usage barely use the core and with A720 much more powerful than A520, it can do most task at a lower power usage. My experience is that D9000 good but got stale very fast due to MTK wasnt expecting the response of 8+ Gen1. D9200+ good but got heating problem, D9200 design are ok but the core already use to much power and with D9200+ being the overcloaked version of it, nothing good comes out of it. D9200 series was the bad one in my experience since OCing a chip does nothing but a benchmark booster. your daily usage are still the same as D9200. Now D9300+ are good at benchmark but its even better at daily usage.

[@MarcosVinicius-uy7gv]

Mediatek 💩💩💩💩💩💩

[@TechRide.]

all this specs but still going to be under-utilized, under-optimized by game/app devs. useless.. that's why I went with apple after using android for over a decade.

[@alberto4509]

Someone that gets it

[@entertainmentwithindian69]

Yup , even 8 gen 1 is why more powerful If it has been more optimised

[@floppa9415]

Don't share this experience. A iPhone XS on iOS 18 performs worse for simple everyday tasks than a Pixel 3 XL, despite the iPhone XS being more powerful on paper. iOS has gotten extremly bloated by the last few updates.

[@raisinmancereal]

The same can be said really about Apple's SOCs on mobile but compared to Android, devs take more advantage of Apple's SOC. What I really hope for is more parity with desktop apps. The chips on mobile is already desktop class, so bringing over full, non mobile versions of apps to iPad/S tab etc. would be a dream come true.

[@TechRide.]

@@raisinmancereal exactly my point, devs tend to prefer working/developing their app for few Apple SoCs over android's hundreds of different hardware configs and stuff which is more time consuming and resource hog for them.

[@ZhenyaTyoma]

No VVC codec support Goes straight into a bin straight from a factory

[@GaryExplains]

😂 You use VVC much? You in desperate need of yet another codec?