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In 1982, an Australian mother was convicted of murdering her baby daughter. She was later exonerated, but soon fell victim to a joke that distracted the world from the real story.
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@san_-ii6xs
@san_-ii6xs 5 жыл бұрын
Imagine losing your baby and hearing a joke about it on Seinfeld.
@WhatTheHellRachelle
@WhatTheHellRachelle 5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely disgusting!
@AWlpsSHOW36
@AWlpsSHOW36 5 жыл бұрын
Imagine going through something awful and tough and then to have everyone accusing you and hating and blaming you when you are freaking innocent.
@reinal7896
@reinal7896 5 жыл бұрын
Paula Maria It’s been joked about on other shows as well ... quite sad
@billpaxton7525
@billpaxton7525 5 жыл бұрын
I know. Almost makes up for the dead baby, eh?
@everlasting9292
@everlasting9292 5 жыл бұрын
Part of the reason why I never liked Seinfeld. The humor is cheap and tasteless. Offensive in a way that isn't even mildly humorous.
@tailsofpearls
@tailsofpearls 6 жыл бұрын
What baffles me the most about this case was that people found it so hard to believe a canine could murder an infant. There are hundreds of cases of children being fatally injured by normal domestic dogs every year why was so hard to believe that a wild animal of similar physicality given the opportunity would do the same???
@alyjulmiste1880
@alyjulmiste1880 6 жыл бұрын
tailsofpearls, simple answer. Different time period.
@maryp2100
@maryp2100 6 жыл бұрын
tailsofpearls q;
@Monika-of2iz
@Monika-of2iz 6 жыл бұрын
Michael Vaughn well the family was camping and then a dingo snatched the baby and killed it The mother was accused of murder and put in prison for life She was released She is innocent Watch “cry in the dark” it explains everything
@marymacdonald1651
@marymacdonald1651 6 жыл бұрын
tailsofpearls Exactly. And the dingos in the park area were getting used to being around people, eating their food. Poor mother.
@marymacdonald1651
@marymacdonald1651 6 жыл бұрын
Monika 711 Great movie! A very sad story, however.
@chewface
@chewface 5 жыл бұрын
Ah, classic 1980's technology: the inability to differentiate fruit juice from blood.
@eurekamreum5458
@eurekamreum5458 5 жыл бұрын
How far we've come, right?
@karsten9895
@karsten9895 4 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure that they had the technology to determine if some substance was blood or not during the time. The problem was that Joy Kuhl, the so-called forensic expert, was totally incompetent and the investigators total morons, who were prejudiced or even willfully tried to plant evidence. Someone amongst them even pointed out to his colleagues during the investigation, the fact that the substance was still sticky after a year. Blood dries within minutes. So, it should've been clear from the get go, that the claim that this was blood was ridiculous. Lindy Chamberlain's lawyer didn't challenge the result at first, because the suspicious circumstances weren't revealed to them. In other words: exculpatory evidence was withhold from the defense. The Chamberlains and their lawyer simply couldn't imagine that the prosecution's scientific "expert" botched such a simple task as to distinguish blood from juice (I think I remember that the substance in question, was later proven to be car paint, but maybe you're right that it was juice. Don't remember exactly).
@MrDanielharris
@MrDanielharris 4 жыл бұрын
Copper oxide was the issue, the copper oxide dust in the car came up as positive for foetal blood which would have been ruled out but no control test was completed on a different surface of the car. Later the addition of a control test was falsified and added to the records.
@merncat75
@merncat75 4 жыл бұрын
@@karsten9895 you are right and similar issues still occur even these days.
@thomassantillan2194
@thomassantillan2194 4 жыл бұрын
Seems things are still problematic with todays technology. Look at the many false positives those roadside drug kits have had. Can't differentiate cotton candy from meth.
@Funnyfish66
@Funnyfish66 6 жыл бұрын
How can they say it was fetal blood and then be like, oh nvm it was this and fruit juice.... They owe this woman.
@mrsslocombespussy820
@mrsslocombespussy820 6 жыл бұрын
They owe her nothing. The whole thing was a right royal fuckup. She killed her baby with the help of her eldest son.
@AtlantisTheLostEmpire
@AtlantisTheLostEmpire 5 жыл бұрын
@@mrsslocombespussy820 - What "evidence" do you have to support ya claim?
@rodriguez3939
@rodriguez3939 5 жыл бұрын
Wilson probably helped. Just as likely.
@rodriguez3939
@rodriguez3939 5 жыл бұрын
@billy vandory had to bring politics into it didn't you.
@donnajackson898
@donnajackson898 5 жыл бұрын
WILSON... I can’t believe you people still think she’s guilty. Smdh They owe her big time. She should sue them for all of this bs. The poor woman lost her baby, was tried and convicted of murdering her, with no evidence and made up stuff. She went to prison, missed out on seeing her other kids, and you people don’t think they owe her? Forensics is a wonderful thing. It can prove some innocent as it was in this case, but it can also prove someone guilty, like the serial killers. You just don’t want to say you were wrong. That’s what it is, isn’t it?
@carnivault
@carnivault 6 жыл бұрын
Wait, so the "forensic experts" couldn't tell the difference between blood and a fruit drink? Where do they find these so called "experts" anyways?
@jeronimovasquez5877
@jeronimovasquez5877 6 жыл бұрын
Alois -Booty Shorts- Trancy Australia XD
@phillipnorton8661
@phillipnorton8661 6 жыл бұрын
Failed experts from the UK, that's where.
@SunyiSideUp
@SunyiSideUp 6 жыл бұрын
To be fair, this was the early 80s. There wasn't a lot of actual testing that could be done. But you're correct, they're really something for mistaking fruit juice for blood. That's a complete stretch. If they can test for dingo saliva, they should be able to test for and know the difference between blood and fruit juice.
@Graycata
@Graycata 6 жыл бұрын
Often times they usually evidence in order to convict
@MagellanRose
@MagellanRose 6 жыл бұрын
I'd heard it was a uk 'expert' but that they had also destroyed the samples after using them. So no one could actually double check.
@saintnicole3209
@saintnicole3209 4 жыл бұрын
Grieving Mother: *stays strong in the face of tragedy* Australian Media and Public: “She’s a murderer!”
@Hannah-xj5gs
@Hannah-xj5gs 4 жыл бұрын
Not only Australia, it was the world.
@samannjam
@samannjam 7 ай бұрын
Ill never believe that Lindy killed her daughter...
@neutra__l8525
@neutra__l8525 5 ай бұрын
I remember the case fairly well. I was also sent to a Seventh Day Adventist high school in Adelaide, Australia by my religious parents. When we got on the bus the students from other schools would call us Dingoes. The case was huge in the news. The media really pushed the murder narrative along with her religion, her reaction, a lack of understanding about Dingoes, a dark and mystical murder site and bad 'evidence'. At the time I had no idea what the truth was. No one did. We only really had biased media reports. Most people had an opinion though. I remember women especially seemed to hate her and were very happy to judge her. The reports were always changing, so any nuance was quickly lost and an 'Evil Murderer' narrative was much easier to follow.. and far more entertaining. The photo's of her that plastered the newspapers and news always used cold or menacing looking pictures of her. It was very much trial by media.
@heinzriemann3213
@heinzriemann3213 Ай бұрын
Angloids love nothing more than pointing fingers.
@mimimosa259
@mimimosa259 6 жыл бұрын
Are you telling me she was separated from her newborn baby and sent to prison when she was innocent? Ugh
@justsayin69
@justsayin69 6 жыл бұрын
She was not and will never be innocent. She is a cold blooded murderer, just like the eldest son.
@georgerubypoppy1063
@georgerubypoppy1063 6 жыл бұрын
Michelle Xie A tragic case from start to end. To lose her baby to a wild animal, then to have her newborn snatched from her whilst being innocent of any crime, it`s amazing she kept her sanity. I can`t begin to imagine the mental anguish she (and her husband) must have suffered. They probably suffer to this day.
@justsayin69
@justsayin69 6 жыл бұрын
LOL if only that were true mick the eagle. The whole family, even the kids were involved with azarias demise.
@georgerubypoppy1063
@georgerubypoppy1063 6 жыл бұрын
Potato For real? If you have, or know of, any hitherto unpresented evidence, you really ought to be informing the authorities rather than a KZbin audience.
@videoandgaming6909
@videoandgaming6909 6 жыл бұрын
Did she get her baby back?
@snarkysharky7913
@snarkysharky7913 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine carrying a baby girl for 9 months, having that sweet baby girl eaten by an animal, and then strangers scream it at you for the rest of your life. We’re terrible people. Like that poor hot coffee woman.
@lblincoe2094
@lblincoe2094 3 ай бұрын
Yes! People only consider her in the context of being a defendant in a court room, they never considered that this was a grieving mom who'd just lost her BABY, in circumstances so gory and horrifying ,we can't even fathom! Everything about this story is just devastating! This woman didn't just lose a child, but a child who she was, until very recently, sharing her life force with, a child with whom she was intimately connected but was never able to know, a child who hadn't just been taken from her, but had been forced to suffer a ghastly, brutal murder! And then she was forced to recount the tormenting trauma again and again, under intense scrutiny and derision (a traumatic event in itself!), while the entire world either laughed at her or condemned her! I cannot even imagine losing a child, let alone with any of just ONE of those circumstances, and she was forced to endure all of them! And THEN she was deprived of the bond of ANOTHER baby when she had her child forcibly taken from her in a prison for a crime she DIDN'T commit! I mean, imagine sitting imprisoned in a jail cell, after having just lost 2 children, as a completely innocent woman! My entire heart goes out to her, no one should ever have to endure what she was put through!
@Mitsubachi2529
@Mitsubachi2529 5 жыл бұрын
Wait, *this* is where that joke came from? Jesus, I feel sick now...
@yesyouareabsolutelyrightag4067
@yesyouareabsolutelyrightag4067 4 жыл бұрын
Melissa Turner except it wasn't a joke. it was real life and sad.
@ninalove3044
@ninalove3044 4 жыл бұрын
I had no idea it was real!
@facebookcom-ej7dm
@facebookcom-ej7dm 4 жыл бұрын
So does that mean you don’t know where the “DONT drimk the Kool-Aid
@facebookcom-ej7dm
@facebookcom-ej7dm 4 жыл бұрын
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@MicksA
@MicksA 4 жыл бұрын
Yep, sad...
@ginnyledwell8923
@ginnyledwell8923 5 жыл бұрын
"A woman is not believed because she doesn't look like the anguished mother, or what we think the anguished mother should look like." This kind of reminds me of the Amanda Knox case. Whether you think she's innocent or not, you can't deny she was found guilty in the the court of public LONG before she was found guilty in the legal one- and that was primarily because she didn't act the way people thought she should act. I'm on the autism spectrum, so I can have a hard time emoting and making eye contact. I remember listening to my mom and older sister talk while they were watching a documentary about the Knox case. They kept saying they didn't believe her because, "She just acted so weird. Who acts like that?" And I thought, "Dear god, I act 'weird' all the time. If I ever end up within fifty feet of a crime scene, I'm screwed. People are gonna take one look at me and scream 'GUILTY'"!
@FellowLee
@FellowLee 5 жыл бұрын
In the same boat, also autistic. I've gotten into such unwarranted trouble for my 'crocodile' tears. :)
@passiveaggressiveflamingo6851
@passiveaggressiveflamingo6851 5 жыл бұрын
You’re both awesome! Normal is overrated!
@o0blubblub0o
@o0blubblub0o 5 жыл бұрын
so true i can't stand this judgemental people. the worst is, that this people dont even gain anything from judgeing... why do they do it? cant they make a connection, that this kind of behavior could be really harmful. i also never understand how media show the face of somebody who is charged but yet not convicted and act like the person is guilty. like they don't know what this could lead to. ignorance is disgusting i'm on socrates site in this kind of things
@spencersholden
@spencersholden 5 жыл бұрын
ginny ledwell I’m on the Spectrum and I have Resting B*tch Face and it is so annoying. My brother asks what’s wrong when I in a good mood.
@gregmerritt9366
@gregmerritt9366 5 жыл бұрын
Passive Aggressive Flamingo I'd go as far to say that, considering the idea is 100% relative to an individual's point of view of whatever it's being applied to, that it's impossible at that.
@paulbernal6088
@paulbernal6088 6 жыл бұрын
3:28 When asked why she thinks people jump to these conclusions, she says "perhaps they have nothing else to do." Another instance of her telling the truth.
@MichelleSK6
@MichelleSK6 6 жыл бұрын
People love juicy gossip. Especially the life ruining kind.
@RyanAnthonyDigitalMedia
@RyanAnthonyDigitalMedia 5 жыл бұрын
Paul Bernal It’s about profit and ratings, not boredom.
@thescrublord9467
@thescrublord9467 5 жыл бұрын
I mean, some people do look at different spectrums and have different views on certain cases and think of what stuff could happen, that's why some people thought she killed her baby and some agreed with her.
@karsten9895
@karsten9895 4 жыл бұрын
@@RyanAnthonyDigitalMedia True in the case of the TV channels and yellow papers, but Lindy refered to ordinary people.
@moscoagain
@moscoagain 2 жыл бұрын
A normal day on Twitter
@alicechen2856
@alicechen2856 4 жыл бұрын
Here in 2019 in Australia where a few months ago a dingo has yet again stolen a child from a tent this time thankfully the parents woke up in time to get the stolen toddler proving any people who still think this women was lying wrong again.
@mvb88
@mvb88 3 жыл бұрын
It's not that people think she was a lier. It's the words with the accent. We mock you aussys. Just like how we say "you call that a knife. This is a knife"
@tomastrmata5481
@tomastrmata5481 3 жыл бұрын
@@mvb88 Mocking them on basis of tragedy? I would say it is fair to mock Jews on basis of their tragedy. What do you think? You can mock any other, according to you, funny words and way of pronaucing.
@mvb88
@mvb88 3 жыл бұрын
@@tomastrmata5481 as i said. We don't mock her for the tragedy. It's the accent and the words used. There is a different between mocking her losing her child and how she said "a dingo ate my baby" with her accent.
@electricsheep007
@electricsheep007 3 жыл бұрын
@@mvb88 still pretty disrespectful mate
@thatadorfullyy815
@thatadorfullyy815 2 жыл бұрын
@@electricsheep007 agreed
@scurvyswine
@scurvyswine 6 жыл бұрын
Does anyone think the only reason they took so long to change the outcome, was because it would of embarrassed the police, who overturned the original coroners decision?
@sarahquill7423
@sarahquill7423 6 жыл бұрын
Australian police already had a terrible reputation
@AnjaFourie
@AnjaFourie 6 жыл бұрын
scurvyswine *would have
@joannaedssay5988
@joannaedssay5988 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree, not just the police but the whole justice system, they don't like to be proven wrong!
@lampliterinn6005
@lampliterinn6005 5 жыл бұрын
no
@grogery1570
@grogery1570 5 жыл бұрын
On the morning after the attack an aboriginal tracker was following the trail left by the dingo. He was stopped on order of a government minister with the instructions "we are investigating a murder, not an animal attack" Lindy was cooked then
@km5405
@km5405 6 жыл бұрын
whoever made that 'evidence' should be tried for what they manufactured - she was quite literally framed with no evidence at all.
@dunzerkug
@dunzerkug 6 жыл бұрын
They didn't manufacture evidence, they suppressed everything until it was basically a purely circumstantial conviction.
@do-better
@do-better 6 жыл бұрын
adams sessions yeah just like the earth is hollow
@colourfulparrot
@colourfulparrot 6 жыл бұрын
adam sessions did you even watch the video? she's not guilty, that's the point.
@Jesse-B
@Jesse-B 6 жыл бұрын
adams sessions is one of those pea-brained fuckwits too stupid to admit their initial assessment was wrong, because the thousands of equally fuckwitted people failed to believe a "cute" Australian icon could do such a thing... and then dingoes killed a 9 year old boy, but their fuckwitted brains still refuse to accept the truth about dingoes. www.theguardian.com/world/2001/may/01/patrickbarkham
@Monika-of2iz
@Monika-of2iz 6 жыл бұрын
adams sessions watch the movie
@41052
@41052 4 жыл бұрын
When I talk about my trauma it’s so robotic because it helps me feel like it’s not real or just helps me cope with it.
@bloodymary7561
@bloodymary7561 4 жыл бұрын
I do the same thing. I try to separate myself from it so I dont go numb
@nothingtoit142
@nothingtoit142 4 жыл бұрын
It does feel really surreal when something traumatic happens to yourself. I think we all feel the same way. It's hard for the brain to accept it.
@Skyler_Momoko
@Skyler_Momoko 4 жыл бұрын
I kind of do a similar thing. I'll laugh about it and make jokes because it helps it feel like a lighter situation. I can't imagine if people took that as "me enjoying the trauma" etc;
@void-xt8pw
@void-xt8pw 4 жыл бұрын
same; when my grandmother died i cried for it for 20 minutes and then tried to forget it even happened. i couldn't even go to her funereal because i didn't want it to be 'official' .
@TahtahmesDiary
@TahtahmesDiary 4 жыл бұрын
When I talk about trauma and abuse I had as a child, I try to be as calm and non-hysterical as possible so as not to rise feelings of panic or crushing dismay in others that I know I feel when I look at the details. She may have thought she was trying to protect others, possibly, and ended up throwing herself under the bus.
@weiyin8046
@weiyin8046 7 жыл бұрын
Just saying, if you're not Australian and you meet an Australian do not make a dingo ate my baby joke. It's pretty much the only thing that offends Aussies. It's considered a national tragedy. Just a heads up
@creatrixZBD
@creatrixZBD 6 жыл бұрын
It's never offended me, nor have I even heard of anyone being offended by it. Apart from rolling eyes at such a worn cliche (srsly, that and Steve "Animal-botherer" Irwin. same comments, every country I've visited), although obviously I don't know everyone in my country personally. I daresay some are/were offended, but you do make a rather gross generalisation. I guess that is your perogative also... :)
@ela5746
@ela5746 6 жыл бұрын
9/11 joke is worse.
@bearythebear69
@bearythebear69 6 жыл бұрын
Average citizen next time I see an aussie I’ll make sure to bring that joke up
@ela5746
@ela5746 6 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: I'm Australian! 9/11 was the biggest terrorist attack at the time, it killed 3000 people and the world (mostly America) was in fear/shock. To believe that turning that into a joke is worse then a joke about 1 baby being killed by a dingo doesn't make me American.
@littleferrhis
@littleferrhis 6 жыл бұрын
Dingos caused 9/11 confirmed. If you get offended by internet comments you need to grow a pair.
@dandeayee3794
@dandeayee3794 7 жыл бұрын
a wild animal that is hungry will eat anything that it can easily get, that's just common sense...
@elizabethmckenzie3373
@elizabethmckenzie3373 6 жыл бұрын
Dande Ayee why would she take her baby camping tho ... that seems like a bad idea
@justsayin69
@justsayin69 6 жыл бұрын
Dande Ayee, if you had any knowledge of Dingoes you would realise that they hunt in packs and most are too timid to come anywhere near a Human. No a dingo did not take her baby.
@mar10ssj1
@mar10ssj1 6 жыл бұрын
If anything, she should of been charged with child negligence.
@catfeatherss
@catfeatherss 6 жыл бұрын
Potato did you watch the whole video?
@justsayin69
@justsayin69 6 жыл бұрын
Cat Feathers Yes I did. Why? Plus I remember when it happened and growing up and in later life I spent a lot of time in the Northern territory and know alot about how dingoes hunt and get around. Idiots on here are comparing dingoes out bush to the part dingo/part dog mix we now have on our island that bite wankers who want to go up and feed them. The pure bred dingo is a timid animal.
@Molly-tv5sv
@Molly-tv5sv 5 жыл бұрын
*accidentally spills juice* YEA WE GOT SOME FETAL BLOOD HERE DUDES
@everlasting9292
@everlasting9292 5 жыл бұрын
Right? Maybe I missed something, but how would they tell it's specifically fetal blood? I only studied very basic biology purely for the credit hours so I don't know much, but I've never heard that before.
@everlasting9292
@everlasting9292 5 жыл бұрын
Also, there was no fetus involved in this investigation? There was a woman, an infant, and a dingo. If there were fetal blood, the only explanation for that would have been the ride to the hospital once Lindy went into labor. 9 weeks prior. You're probably right, that's probably what happened.
@jmon283
@jmon283 4 жыл бұрын
That joke really went past your head, didn’t it?
@NightFury26
@NightFury26 4 жыл бұрын
@@jmon283 man, why does it matter... op's joke got someone to think critically, that makes it good satire. it's only a compliment. also maybe our lives are highly saturated with it but not everyone is accustomed to memes n how they're formatted lol.
@andytran8893
@andytran8893 3 жыл бұрын
Mate*
@ladyturantulo
@ladyturantulo 9 жыл бұрын
how in the heck did they mix up fruit juice for blood?!?
@dion8499
@dion8499 7 жыл бұрын
Laura Glynn Fruit juice is mostly water, when it dries up it gets dark and sticky, like dried up blood if it's red
@Mickey_mars
@Mickey_mars 7 жыл бұрын
+Sir Mr. Sweggy McSos wouldn't they have to test it or something?
@dion8499
@dion8499 7 жыл бұрын
Back then I don't believe the technology for complete analysis of the blood was totally developed then, or it was unreliable
@seanmcdonald8452
@seanmcdonald8452 7 жыл бұрын
But they did have tests for dingo spit.
@markchatman9583
@markchatman9583 6 жыл бұрын
Sir Mr. Sweggy McSos it was the 1980s not the 1890s. There were tests
@oldtimedrumcorps
@oldtimedrumcorps 7 жыл бұрын
Domesticated dogs can be dangerous and many times are to the grief of children and parents and you question wild dogs ?
@mareewalker1478
@mareewalker1478 7 жыл бұрын
exactly, and its not like dingoes have not attacked before or since.
@anthonypeck9082
@anthonypeck9082 6 жыл бұрын
Brilliant point
@maizetheholographiccorn5641
@maizetheholographiccorn5641 6 жыл бұрын
oldtimedrumcorps uh, you forget this is Australia, not U.S
@autumnpassmore9415
@autumnpassmore9415 6 жыл бұрын
Maize The holographic corn what does that have to do with anything
@kirkc9643
@kirkc9643 5 жыл бұрын
@@mareewalker1478 it happened again yesterday. A toddler saved from the jaws of a dingo.
@animaanimus8011
@animaanimus8011 5 жыл бұрын
Don't forget that it was the city people FEEDING the WILD dingo that made it so brazen to begin with...
@sexydane8964
@sexydane8964 4 жыл бұрын
@trapd00rspider Humans need to stop treating feral animals like their docile dogs at home. People looked at dingos and saw a stray dog rather than a feral one, so they approached them and fed them when they should have avoided interacting with an unpredictable and dangerous animal. It started with dingos associating humans with food. And when they showed up at the camp hungry, they took and ate the baby because they had become conditioned to see humans as prey. While domesticated animals can make this distinction, a feral animal cannot. Imagine you're a dingo, a predator on the hunt and this seemingly non-threatening animal entices you with food. Of course you eat it, but you had entered the scenario expecting to target the animal or its young as a food source, but you're given some meat and in exchange your prey keeps their lives, but only as long as they continue to provide it.
@aestheticgarbage6671
@aestheticgarbage6671 3 жыл бұрын
yep! something similar happened to a girl called taylor mitchell, who was killed by coyotes in a national park. coyotes are naturally afraid of people so we're not usually their prey, but because people kept feeding them, the coyotes became more brave around people, brave enough to test humans out as potential prey, especially now considering they associated people with food. unfortunately for taylor she was a victim of that. so it is very VERY important not to feed wild animals, especially at natural parks and such places.
@julespoopoology
@julespoopoology 3 жыл бұрын
@@aestheticgarbage6671 Yes! I heard about Taylor a few years ago, and it made sense to me. I live right next to a small hill where a family of wild coyotes live. That’s why I’ve never had small dogs, because the coyotes often jump my fence sometimes. They ARE dangerous, but if you don’t interact with them it’s fine. Never feed them, and bring your dog inside at night so they won’t interact with the coyotes. Your totally right about them not being afraid. If I look at a coyote through my window it’ll run away. The lesson is don’t feed wild animals for any reasons.
@liamh1621
@liamh1621 6 жыл бұрын
Strange how Tropic Thunder was the most sensitive American production making the dingo joke
@karsten9895
@karsten9895 4 жыл бұрын
Thought the same thing.
@jaime4sandberg
@jaime4sandberg 4 жыл бұрын
I winced so hard when I saw that
@Michelle-pc6gp
@Michelle-pc6gp 4 жыл бұрын
Wutzmyname Mike they probably didn’t justify it. They clearly have no conscience.
@IfYouMeetAWolf
@IfYouMeetAWolf 4 жыл бұрын
@bopp9 So buy that black Australian, you mean New York-born Robert Downey Jr?...
@IfYouMeetAWolf
@IfYouMeetAWolf 4 жыл бұрын
@bopp9 I see
@aimeewillox3386
@aimeewillox3386 4 жыл бұрын
People are ok with joking "a dingo stole my baby" but would they joke that " a wild dog viciously murdered my daughter" ???
@Nothing-ch3dw
@Nothing-ch3dw 4 жыл бұрын
Aimee Willox I surely chuckled.
@MASTEROFEVIL
@MASTEROFEVIL 3 жыл бұрын
Yes unfortunately
@aimeewillox3386
@aimeewillox3386 3 жыл бұрын
@@MASTEROFEVIL I highly doubt any sane person would anyway. she lost her daughter in a brutal way and is being made a joke. its disgusting
@MASTEROFEVIL
@MASTEROFEVIL 3 жыл бұрын
@@aimeewillox3386 That's society for you
@lukaduka1001
@lukaduka1001 3 жыл бұрын
Unless you are watching Seinfield. That was hilarious!
@jonahsmith2543
@jonahsmith2543 4 жыл бұрын
Nobody would have been shocked if a man hadn't looked anguished.
@giancarlojacobs9982
@giancarlojacobs9982 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly! They'd dismiss it as him showing strength in silence. The double standard is disgusting
@mjade1673
@mjade1673 4 жыл бұрын
👏
@jonahsmith2543
@jonahsmith2543 4 жыл бұрын
@Juan Hercules It seems any kind of reaction would be seen as 'not normal'. There is no normal reaction. Some people cry, some people scream, some people go numb, some people stop functioning. Grief is a process that has no universal singular reaction.
@asahel980
@asahel980 4 жыл бұрын
No, its the same, she was solely blamed , it happened in her watch and forensic people have provided suggesting foul play, if the father is in her shoes , The public will surely criticize him if he acted same way as her. dont make this a gender biased like you did ,youre looking something which is not there.
@cassiapeian
@cassiapeian 4 жыл бұрын
@@asahel980 "Don't make this a gender based thing" they straight up said she was too beautiful to have a dead kid.
@qaz123456781
@qaz123456781 9 жыл бұрын
A lot of these facts were falsified on purpose. One of the policemen had been asked earlier to take care of the dingo as this wasn't its first attack. There were many witnesses willing to come forward, but they were ignored, also there was a tracker who verified it was a dingo, but the police got him drunk when he was meant to present in court and his information was considered invalid. I know this because my mother was in the Northern Territory a year after all this started and the locals were all saying that it was true, that a dingo took her baby.
@lepen4652
@lepen4652 9 жыл бұрын
that's interesting, well we all know some police are corrupt especially in them days. poor azaria I just hope it was quick.
@AndrewFishman
@AndrewFishman 6 жыл бұрын
My grandparents were at the Rock for a while, at the time it happened. They never doubted a dingo took the child. Pop was a bushman all his life, and Australia was much wilder back when he was young, and he told us it was not the first time, just the best publicised.
@jenniferrojas7024
@jenniferrojas7024 6 жыл бұрын
1Pen I was thinking the same thing can you imagine what must be like to be consumed alive poor soul. Hate media trash and people that just keep the hysteria going.
@phillipnorton8661
@phillipnorton8661 6 жыл бұрын
The NT Government had embarked on a multi-million dollar tourism campaign for the first time and then this happened. Of course they would frame the mother rather than scare away tourists from their most iconic attraction.
@chooseyourpoison5105
@chooseyourpoison5105 5 жыл бұрын
@carol m Correct. It's common to use the pronoun 'I' in Aboriginal culture when talking about someone in your mob. The court also didn't consider the fact that in Aboriginal culture it is considered very rude to ask direct questions - indirect questioning is the culturally appropriate way to find out information - asking a direct question is likely to be ignored. Silence and long pauses in Aboriginal culture is also considered respectful and to indicate understanding, whereas if the tracker had long pauses or silence when answering questions in court the all-white jury would have perceived it as being unsure or lying. They also didn't take into consideration that it is taboo to mention some things to people not in your own mob, e.g. if the dingo had taken the baby to somewhere near a sacred site, under tribal law he would not be allowed to speak about it to a white jury.
@curiousela1
@curiousela1 6 жыл бұрын
When a wild animal can get more mercy than a mourning mother who lost her baby. That tells how much we value human beings, how much we value motherhood and, finally, women (nobody hated the father that much).
@MichelleSK6
@MichelleSK6 6 жыл бұрын
@@simeoncarter3768 And tell me WHY was the mother the one in their little fantasy, slitting the throat of the baby?
@bleachesbrother6697
@bleachesbrother6697 6 жыл бұрын
to be far she shouldn't have left her child unattended in the middle of the desert though.
@danidejaneiro8378
@danidejaneiro8378 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah at no point was he even implicated.
@griffinbird3000
@griffinbird3000 5 жыл бұрын
The wild animal was completely not at fault and was only acting on its natural instincts.
@kimmyball4961
@kimmyball4961 5 жыл бұрын
Exactly!!!!!!!!
@brrrrrrrrino
@brrrrrrrrino 4 жыл бұрын
"dingo ate my baby" I've heard that so many times in different instances, had no idea it's origin. That's just insane. Poor Azaria, RIP baby girl. I'm sad for Lindy, but I'm glad her name has been cleared.
@ralsharp6013
@ralsharp6013 2 жыл бұрын
I was the same with sweet fa.' Had no idea it stood for Sweet Fanny Adams!
@GlennaVan
@GlennaVan 2 жыл бұрын
@@ralsharp6013 Or who Fanny Adams is and her horrific story!
@ralsharp6013
@ralsharp6013 2 жыл бұрын
@@GlennaVan yes exactly. That's what I mean. I always thought sweet fa stood for sweet fuckall. But it allegedly refers to, or originates from the murder of sweet fanny Adams.. A really sad case for sure.. Bless her sweet little soul
@drhfq
@drhfq 2 жыл бұрын
Me too! I clicked this video because I recall hearing people joke all through the 90s on TV and in school about "a dingo ate my baby" This is the first time I'm learning that was based on an actual story
@2126Eliza
@2126Eliza 8 жыл бұрын
A dingo could do this. Coyotes, while it's rare, have killed people and have eaten babies that are left lying in the desert.
@TheXmeimei
@TheXmeimei 7 жыл бұрын
After eating their preys, did the dingoes and coyotes also hide the victims' clothes? The baby's clothes were never found, except for the one piece, the jumpsuit.
@TheXmeimei
@TheXmeimei 7 жыл бұрын
2126Eliza This is a real mystery. The dingo would not bother to hide the clothes, the mother would not have the time to hide the clothes or the baby's dead body.
@2126Eliza
@2126Eliza 7 жыл бұрын
Maybe they weren't hidden. I would imagine it would be easy to never find something in the outback.
@1969cmp
@1969cmp 7 жыл бұрын
2126Eliza Yes, easy to miss things in the grass and spinifex.
@valhalla1240
@valhalla1240 6 жыл бұрын
also: dogs have killed babies. Even cute, well trained, seemingly calm dogs that never bark or fight with other dogs. It's just their nature. They challenge the weakest to climb the social hierarchy. They don't understand the difference between a human family and a pack.
@Shikarih
@Shikarih 4 жыл бұрын
"A woman is not believed because she doesn't look like the anguished mother, or what we think the anguished mother should look like." I'd laugh. I'd legit laugh, and cry, both at the same time probably. Thats how I am when I have a mental breakdown, god people would sure think I'd be guilty.
@wishingwell_333
@wishingwell_333 3 жыл бұрын
i laugh sometimes as like a tic almost. not diagnosed w anything but I do this 'heheh' when I'm nervous which is like every single conversation almost I do it
@chrisrus1965
@chrisrus1965 5 жыл бұрын
"The dingo ate my baby" has my vote for the least funny joke ever.
@Danny-ii6jn
@Danny-ii6jn 4 жыл бұрын
chrisrus1965 it’s pretty funny lol
@catudraws8497
@catudraws8497 4 жыл бұрын
Danny)) What a horrible person you are unless that’s sarcasm.
@catudraws8497
@catudraws8497 4 жыл бұрын
bopp9)) American here. It’s not funny.
@Minyadagniriel
@Minyadagniriel 4 жыл бұрын
@@catudraws8497 same
@spacemonkey340
@spacemonkey340 4 жыл бұрын
I always correct people when I hear it. Same with the McDonald's coffee spilling joke.
@BIackCadillac
@BIackCadillac 5 жыл бұрын
Just a showing on how little the media cares for accuracy. Even back then... this woman lost her child but they treated her like a joke and a monster.
@theangrypacifist1568
@theangrypacifist1568 4 жыл бұрын
This is sexism in the most extreme. When a man doesn't cry he's strong and brave, but when a woman doesn't cry she an evil, heartless killer. In reality neither response is indicative of anything other than the fact that different people grieve differently. This is why I get frustrated when people act like casual sexism isn't a big deal. At best it's offensive and ignorant, at worst an entire society polluted by it can falsely convict a grieving mother of a horrific crime with literally zero evidence.
@willd.4808
@willd.4808 3 жыл бұрын
You absolutely nailed it
@heinzriemann3213
@heinzriemann3213 Ай бұрын
The most judging finger-pointers also in this case are the women.
@amandalynn3538
@amandalynn3538 4 жыл бұрын
Wasnt enough her child died but the world had to add to it with cruel jokes
@JeantheSecond
@JeantheSecond 6 жыл бұрын
Family dogs (on rare occasions) have attacked babies and even carried them off. And Australians don’t believe the wild animals they live around could do it? Yeah, brilliant, guys.
@BMarie774
@BMarie774 6 жыл бұрын
Jean the Second I remember a news story about, and brace yourself, a dog attacking a baby boy and biting off his genitals. And there's many other cases of dogs attacking people and babies. So I don't know why it's so far fetched for people to believe a wild animal could do such a thing. Animals can get hungry. They can see humans, especially baby humans, as an easy source of food that they just can't pass up. I mean, I'm fairly certain there's stories about people's pets eating their bodies after the owner has died as the animals are starving. It's just insane to think that's impossible. Even timid animals can get desperate for food.
@YortOK
@YortOK 6 жыл бұрын
Americans have a neurotic view of the danger in Australia. We know how to mitigate the danger from venomous animals, crocodiles, etc. But the Dingo was not viewed the same way a pack of wolves would be viewed if they suddenly appeared at a camp site in America. Dingoes are generally timid around people, seeking only left over food. This event was a terrible accident that could have been prevented but wasn't. The rest is history.
@ginao6810
@ginao6810 5 жыл бұрын
It’s not that they didn’t believe a dingo could do it, it’s that they believed it was more likely that a woman did it. A woman who was attractive and didn’t act sufficiently “grief-stricken”. Destroying a beautiful woman’s reputation, and passing judgment on mothers, have long been a national past time in many places around the world.
@chooseyourpoison5105
@chooseyourpoison5105 5 жыл бұрын
@@ginao6810 Yes she didn't fit the media's image of how she "should" act. They wanted pics of a sobbing mother to boost their ratings, and the fact that she maintained rigid self-control in front of the cameras (although she said in her autobiography Through My Eyes that she would fall apart crying the second the doors closed behind her) meant that she was done for right from the beginning.
@moonchild8733
@moonchild8733 5 жыл бұрын
I know right.
@maybellzdollz1
@maybellzdollz1 7 жыл бұрын
Like duh, a dingo KILLED a 9 year old child at Fraser Island Qld some time back, a 9 week old infant would not have posed an issue at all
@mirandascott8058
@mirandascott8058 5 жыл бұрын
chyloe who in there right mind goes camping with a 9 week old infant. That’s the only thing the mother did wrong
@kaylaa8092
@kaylaa8092 5 жыл бұрын
@@mirandascott8058 Lots of people actually. I know families who have gone camping while the baby was less then a month.
@Joggi98
@Joggi98 4 жыл бұрын
"You know that's a true story? Lady lost her kid, you about to cross a line" lol, well said
@LadyAarin
@LadyAarin 6 жыл бұрын
Everytime I hear the joke "a dingo ate the baby" it sickens me. A real child died because of that animal. Not funny.
@alexjolly1034
@alexjolly1034 6 жыл бұрын
God bless the child😭😢😭😢
@skyblue4510
@skyblue4510 6 жыл бұрын
Muddy Mayfair Diaries I had heard the jokes and had no idea it started from a real story!
@christiand4295
@christiand4295 6 жыл бұрын
It's explained in 10:49
@ellaphx
@ellaphx 6 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@Monika-of2iz
@Monika-of2iz 6 жыл бұрын
Muddy Mayfair Diaries yea I remember watching a video and there was a joke about not taking your kids to Uluru or this will happen but it was shown in a silly manner and now that I know the full story it just makes me sick
@godisgoodallthetime7622
@godisgoodallthetime7622 9 жыл бұрын
I believe her. It's sad that society jumps to a conclusion without having all the facts. I find no humor in someone losing their life.
@factstraight
@factstraight 5 жыл бұрын
7:17 "The blood spatter on the underside of the dashboard turned out to be sound deadening compound. Other spots were most likely sweetened milk or a fruit drink." - New York Times What kind of _kangaroo_ courts is Australia running where chemicals, milk, and fruit are tested to be blood and admitted as evidence in court??? 🦘👨‍⚖️🐕
@edwardshowden5511
@edwardshowden5511 5 жыл бұрын
yeah, this is strange, but forensic expert Professor James Cameron gave evidence that, based on studying plaster casts of dingo jaws, it was impossible for a dingo to open its jaws wide enough to encompass a child's head. there was some evidence against her, but not enough
@ChyloeReece
@ChyloeReece 5 жыл бұрын
piotr monn Why would that be evidence against it being a dingo, though? It could've grabbed it by the feet, or any number of places.. Were they thinking because they couldn't find a body, that a dingo must have swallowed it if indeed a dingo had taken it? Because they could've eaten the rest, and the head and whatever other bones could still be out there, I mean it took them that long just to find the coat.. I just wonder _why_ that would be a deciding factor?
@edwardshowden5511
@edwardshowden5511 5 жыл бұрын
@@ChyloeReece Maybe they concluded it was unlikely to drag it on a such a long distance. I dont know. Im not a dingo expert lol 🙈 Weird they couldnt find the body. I was googling and look what have I just found :) just a few days ago, another dingo toddler's fan xD www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-6938821/amp/Australian-father-rescues-toddler-dingos-jaws.html
@ChyloeReece
@ChyloeReece 5 жыл бұрын
piotr monn Yikes, that baby is so lucky, thank goodness the baby cried and the father was able to save him! I guess people have a hard time accepting that a dingo could be dangerous, but I wouldn't be bringing a child, nevermind an infant near a dingo hot spot such as Fraser Island.. whatever one believes, don't take the chance! (btw I REALLY want to go to Fraser Island now, have you been?)
@edwardshowden5511
@edwardshowden5511 5 жыл бұрын
@@ChyloeReece I've never been there. I'm from Europe and you? :-) I think that most people simply have no idea about the possible dangers. Would you think about dingo kidnappers while planning the trip? :D I wouldnt! snake, spiders, yeah, but dingo..? My father went to Georgia (on a bike trip). He had planned everything well at home. His idea for the stray dogs?….. firecrackers! :D (Achtungs, very loud ones:D). But it was only after 4 dogs sorrounded him he realized how stupid it was :P
@TheNotverysocial
@TheNotverysocial 6 жыл бұрын
The joke was never funny. When I first heard it, it was being quoted by my brother, and he and dad laughed. I did not know the nature or history of the situation, but even then, I never found it remotely funny. I find it even less tasteful now that I have seen thus.
@tellemking4507
@tellemking4507 5 жыл бұрын
You're just awkward
@danitaharris4966
@danitaharris4966 5 жыл бұрын
I know what you mean. It's warped.
@Sam_1984a
@Sam_1984a 4 жыл бұрын
@@tellemking4507 ...Or this person just has actual empathy and doesn't think it's funny to joke about someone's baby being killed.
@baitedlol6972
@baitedlol6972 4 жыл бұрын
You're the boring, buzzkill one in your family lol
@sunnyday7699
@sunnyday7699 4 жыл бұрын
Lmaooo the way they said it made me laugh so hard... I know it’s serious but dam it’s so funny 😂😂
@valhalla1240
@valhalla1240 5 жыл бұрын
misogynist's logic: what? A woman is accused of something? Let me look at her dress to find out the truth!
@Nothing-ch3dw
@Nothing-ch3dw 4 жыл бұрын
Valhalla believe it or not what someone wears can be an indicator of many different things..
@pussydestroyer69285
@pussydestroyer69285 3 жыл бұрын
@@Nothing-ch3dw unless it’s a uniform then....literally no...no it cannot. Lol.
@Ace_of_the_Chaos_Element
@Ace_of_the_Chaos_Element 3 жыл бұрын
its called forensics you daft moron
@ykcasual
@ykcasual 3 жыл бұрын
ironically it was a woman's argument
@stephaniegormley9982
@stephaniegormley9982 3 жыл бұрын
@@ykcasual That doesn't matter. I've heard of misogyny being blamed for female serial killers.
@mitchmclean3898
@mitchmclean3898 7 жыл бұрын
She should have sued the state for everything
@goodshipkaraboudjan
@goodshipkaraboudjan 7 жыл бұрын
Australians don't have that US "sue everything" mentality. It isn't seen to achieve much here. If anything it's looked down upon.
@aidansmith266
@aidansmith266 6 жыл бұрын
S L Well that's just not true.
@alissat5312
@alissat5312 6 жыл бұрын
It’s not Australia’s fault that a wild dingo was hungry. No one sent a dingo to go eat a baby.
@philsurtees
@philsurtees 6 жыл бұрын
+S L - that is NOT true. Countless people have successfully sued the government in the US and collected money. Haven't you watched How To Make A Murderer? Steven Avery isn't the only person who has sued the government for wrongful conviction and there are plenty of people in the US who have won and been paid. There are all sorts of examples of people successfully suing the government in the US - both State and Federal - and being paid as a result. It isn't easy, but you most certainly CAN collect money by doing it successfully.
@harleyk101
@harleyk101 6 жыл бұрын
bongo155 she deserved like 30 mil or more.
@DrewsMiniatures
@DrewsMiniatures 9 жыл бұрын
So sad, you only have to go the comments of websites to see just how cruel people can be with no provocation.
@nancycampbellgibson2634
@nancycampbellgibson2634 8 жыл бұрын
+Drew "matchbox23" C To coin a phrase- "Truer words were never spoken."
@ThatBugBehindYou
@ThatBugBehindYou 6 жыл бұрын
(because anonymous comments are completely representative of people in real life)
@ThatBugBehindYou
@ThatBugBehindYou 6 жыл бұрын
+The Blue Haired Lawyer You've just disproven your own point tho, everything an anon says they would do online never stands true IRL. An anon wouldn't ever do any of the things or reflect on anything they've said online unless they are medically insane.
@ThatBugBehindYou
@ThatBugBehindYou 6 жыл бұрын
+The Blue Haired Lawyer Depends on what you consider taboo or "hate speech", also depends on whether opinions actually matter if the holder never acts on or takes the opinion seriously.
@ThatBugBehindYou
@ThatBugBehindYou 6 жыл бұрын
+The Blue Haired Lawyer Thus my original comment stands... How pointless
@RoCkbunny769
@RoCkbunny769 4 жыл бұрын
First time I heard the dingo eating a baby “joke” was in middle school social studies, but I never found it funny. My exact words were, “what’s funny about a baby being eaten by a dog?” But I was never the type to enjoy edgy “dead baby” humor, so there’s that.
@politereminder6284
@politereminder6284 4 жыл бұрын
It helps that you knew what a dingo is. I didn't know what it was till today.
@Risingofthephoenix
@Risingofthephoenix 4 жыл бұрын
I heard that "joke" back when I was a child in the 90s too elementary school. And I knew what a dingo was at that age (huge animal lover) and the only thing I ever found "funny" was the way it was said ie the tone and accent. But the actual line itself wasn't funny to me. I never paid to much attention to it in fact just how it was said.
@brka7551
@brka7551 6 жыл бұрын
I’m disgusted by how many pop culture shows and such crack jokes referring back to this.
@affenket
@affenket 6 жыл бұрын
I was disappointed to see Simon Baker trot the joke out on a talk show. such a cheap grab for laughs from an Australian who should have more self respect.
@joannaedssay5988
@joannaedssay5988 6 жыл бұрын
I know, its horrifying and disgusting.
@Arguing.With.Idiots.
@Arguing.With.Idiots. 6 жыл бұрын
Lotus Justice That's funny Karen now go to your bed and take your medicine.
@1WEareBUFO1
@1WEareBUFO1 5 жыл бұрын
It's incredibly dark, sure. But if a SEAGULL took my baby that would be quintisentially Cape Cod. People DEFINITELY wouldn't believe it. SEAGULLS will eat anything.
@JanAly
@JanAly 5 жыл бұрын
Lotus Justice no
@atlguera564
@atlguera564 6 жыл бұрын
Not sure how that was so far fetched. Did Aussies forget they live in the most dangerously Beautiful part of the world?
@Billygoatsgrruff
@Billygoatsgrruff 6 жыл бұрын
Their version of how she murdered the baby was more far fetched.
@carrotcarrotson5563
@carrotcarrotson5563 4 жыл бұрын
it's really not that bad
@theemachine3890
@theemachine3890 4 жыл бұрын
Did you forget that you don’t live here so all you know about our country is what media and people tell you? Australia isn’t as dangerous as you think it is.
@MelwynreithTV
@MelwynreithTV 4 жыл бұрын
the only dangerous part of Australia is the dessert aka outback - if you aren't prepared - stupid city slickers will never understand
@inmatejason
@inmatejason 5 жыл бұрын
So this is where “the dingo took my baby” came from...wow..learned something new.
@mollybrown2064
@mollybrown2064 6 жыл бұрын
I can’t believe how so much circumstantial evidence and bad police work there was in this case. I feel very bad for the parents, especially the mother. She received a life sentence and even after she was acquitted she faced constant stigma and public persecution even to this day.
@sandrastone7019
@sandrastone7019 7 жыл бұрын
It's important you all know this. Far too many people delight in continuing the lie that Lindy killed her baby. As an Australian adult, I also judged her to be guilty based on the faulty forensics, and will always feel ashamed. The decisions I made were to sign the petition to release her from jail, to buy her book, and most of all, to never travel to the Northern Territory nor allow any of my family to do so. At the least we can do is deny them income from our tourism.
@stefanymaes
@stefanymaes 5 жыл бұрын
This warms my heart. The world needs more people like you who are accepting of their misjudgements/faults/mistakes. God Bless you and your family.
@EchoBravo370
@EchoBravo370 3 жыл бұрын
Go to the Northern Territory. There are loads of Aboriginal people in NT who provide safe and interesting tourism experiences for us city slickers. Don't deny them.
@adamfrew6699
@adamfrew6699 5 жыл бұрын
IT took 32 years for the justice system here to acknowledge that they and the NT police completely stuffed this tragic event up, what a bloody disgrace! They did this to protect certain detectives and ministers reputation. I live in the Territory and people here back then knew that a dingo had done this. I have had encounters with dingoes where they will watch you from afar, basically stalk you in waiting as they're a opportunist predator with 2 inch canine teeth so yeah all the information leading up to and after Azaria's death 100% indicates that a dingo did this.
@darcy1874
@darcy1874 4 жыл бұрын
The reason was the government was afraid tourism in the Northern Territory would be affected if they let it be known what dingos were doing.
@LindaTCornwall
@LindaTCornwall 6 жыл бұрын
Even at twelve I felt so sorry for this lady and thought the press had reduced her pain to a circus.
@jellybean_91
@jellybean_91 8 жыл бұрын
This case was a clusterfuck from woe to go. The cops, the courts, the media owners and the so-called forensic "experts" who worked on this case all need to be dragged out by their hair.
@lookmethecat
@lookmethecat 6 жыл бұрын
There are hundreds (more like thousands) of crimes that go unsolved or are falsely resolved because of incompetence. It's almost unbelievable when you look into it.
@meganwilliams2962
@meganwilliams2962 6 жыл бұрын
Destroying the forensic samples after the trial was unforgivable.
@meganwilliams2962
@meganwilliams2962 6 жыл бұрын
lindychamberlain.com/legal-process-and-findings/
@paulbernal6088
@paulbernal6088 6 жыл бұрын
And have their children taken from them.
@ms.rstake_1211
@ms.rstake_1211 6 жыл бұрын
😒
@shiitakestick
@shiitakestick 4 жыл бұрын
No one says anything about the faked infant blood “evidence” ?
@daveteves
@daveteves 4 жыл бұрын
@TreBsta it doesn"t take technology to take a sample and say "huh, this tastes like fruit juice". 🤔
@daveteves
@daveteves 4 жыл бұрын
@TreBsta Yes.
@jade3886
@jade3886 3 жыл бұрын
@TreBsta I’m sure a lot of murder cases were able to determine blood splatters from others substances
@MrBignick88
@MrBignick88 8 жыл бұрын
the fact is if the rest of Australia was not so bigoted against aboriginals back then Lindy wouldn't have gone through what she did as it's happened to them in their history and a few aboriginals from the area said it was uncommon but not unheard of to them
@YortOK
@YortOK 8 жыл бұрын
Idiotic comment. It was Lindy herself that the public distrusted and not the potential danger of Dingoes.
@JustVinnyBlues
@JustVinnyBlues 8 жыл бұрын
I think you're correct, because if you questioned the locals they could have lead investigators to where the concentration of dingo dens were in the area. The investigation was not thorough and only focused on the half breed animal that was a pet of a local ranger. Years later, there was a hiker who took a fall in this area and landed near a high concentration of dingo dens, and in fact they found remains of the child's jacket there. It was actually close to where the pajamas were found years before, but they never even checked around the dingo dens. Certainly her religion contributed to this over zealous prosecution and fabrication of evidence. The defendant's personalities also attracted suspicion. But that is trial by media. People watch television and movies and think they know how people should act when a tragedy occurs, but real life is not acting and everyone processes these things differently. Whether you are an emotional person or not is not evidence of guilt or innocence. But yes, if they had actually utilized the locals, they would have solved this case right away. The main problem being that people in the area were too casual about their interaction with what are wild carnivorous animals. It is always trouble when humans get in the habit of feeding animals like this, whether they be dingos, bears or alligators. I don't let them off the hook for negligence though. If you camp in a primitive area you have to be cautious about small pets and children, and I would not leave them unattended ever. But just because these people weren't the greatest parents is not a reason to charge them with murder.
@YortOK
@YortOK 8 жыл бұрын
JustVinnyBlues WRONG, the locals had no better knowledge of the Dingo lairs than anybody else and certainly not more than the park rangers. There are about 5000 dog attack injuries per year in Australia, some of which result in death and in 228 yrs there have been only 2 known deaths by Dingo and both were children. Australia has NO major LAND predators and the ignorance of danger from Dingoes is an explanation not an excuse. Lindy Chamberlain was charged because of an overwhelming impression of her guilt and the perceived unlikeliness of a Dingo attacking and taking a human child. Dingoes are not the Australian equivalent of a wolf, they are much more timid and even a pack won't present a problem to a full grown adult. Since you're so quick to trust in the insight of the ''locals'', then take it from me.
@YortOK
@YortOK 8 жыл бұрын
And the aboriginals have long been known to possess a unique 'insight' into the Australian environment and have been used innumerable times by law enforcement for tracking etc. The charging and perception of guilt had nothing to do with them. Even their unusual religion, at the time, only played into matters afterwards. Simply put, a baby was missing and society and the law wanted to know why. The perceived unlikelihood of Dingo attack along with Lindy's perceived cold demeanour are what got her in the court of public opinion. Her guilt is no longer debated and her innocence is in no doubt whatsoever by the Australian public. The rest is history and that little baby now rests in peace at that ancient place.
@JustVinnyBlues
@JustVinnyBlues 8 жыл бұрын
I'm familiar with the dingo controversy in Australia. Also, the unfortunate fact that for hundreds of years they have been breeding with domestic animals. This always results in animals that are less aloof and less afraid of humans. I'm sure that pattern of behavior varies a lot, but in fact the animal that was first suspected was a half breed dingo which was being treated as a pet locally. This is similar to what has happened to the Coyote in the U.S., which is not bothered by humans at all anymore and can show up anywhere. The Wolf, however, does not naturally breed with any domestic animals. That is because a pack consists of an Alpha pair that is the only mating pair in the pack. All other members are actually children of the Alpha pair and siblings. They are very curious, but movies about them attacking humans are nonsense. It is, however, sometimes a problem when humans breed wolves with aggressive domestic dog breeds. Local native people there confirmed that dingos could do something like this. They also would know where the dens where, which were close by. Nobody asked them. In fact, years later that's where the jack was found. So this is not some theoretical discussion, those local people knew where the dens where, the authorities could have examined the dens in the original investigation and they didn't. Certainly there are dingo packs that are aloof and shy away from humans. But there are also groups who are not so inclined. The more infringement by humans, the more inbreeding with domestic animals, they start to lose their original characteristics in terms of their aloofness from human beings. By the way, some scientists do believe they may be descendants of Asian wolves. They are all canines, albeit the dingo is highly specialized animal and very successful in Australia.
@lencey8759
@lencey8759 6 жыл бұрын
I've heard the use of the line 'dingo-ate-my-baby crazy' in American television and it's honestly really offensive.
@chooseyourpoison5105
@chooseyourpoison5105 5 жыл бұрын
Completely agree. It's not a joke, the story behind it is horrific and one of the most shameful and tragic episodes in our history, and as such, most of us Australians regard "dingo ate my baby" jokes as grimly un-funny at best and very offensive at worst. A general warning for comment readers: if you meet one of us Aussies, do NOT tell us a dingo/baby joke in an effort to be amusing; it is likely to get you a cold stare if you are lucky, and a punch in the face if you're not.
@everlasting9292
@everlasting9292 5 жыл бұрын
I have, too, before I even really knew much about the case, and it still made me uncomfortable. No matter what, jokes about dead babies are not funny.
@danitaharris4966
@danitaharris4966 5 жыл бұрын
@@chooseyourpoison5105 I'm an American and it sickens me. I have never been a Seinfeld fan and now I really can't stand it. I'm so sorry for the disrespect. I truly am
@TheKnoxvicious
@TheKnoxvicious 4 жыл бұрын
OMG, get over it. There are freaking abortion jokes, 9/11 jokes, Holocaust jokes, etc. You can take a joke and also take the situation seriously because humor is a coping mechanism humans use to deal with dark things like this in life.
@kittycatcuties
@kittycatcuties 4 жыл бұрын
Rabidcolombian the coping mechanism excuse is such bs, the writers of seinfield didn’t lose any babies to dingo so they didn’t write those jokes to cope with anything. People like you get all triggered when someone is not as amused by your jokes. I like dark jokes as much as the next person but there is a time and place for that stuff and I won’t take offense to anyone not finding them humorous. You need to develop some empathy and understand someone not enjoying jokes you enjoy isn’t a personal attack.
@rachelc3535
@rachelc3535 5 жыл бұрын
I was born the year after the movie came out and I honestly thought this was just a pop culture reference. I had no idea an actual baby was killed. Wow. What a tragedy all around.
@Gree_Zee
@Gree_Zee 5 жыл бұрын
Tropic thunder did it perfect "You bout to cross the line"
@hyperteacher735
@hyperteacher735 7 жыл бұрын
Those people who handled the case were incompetent and biased. Who transports evidence from the crime scene without taking photos first? And those bloodstains (red soil stains). There's definitely some political or personal interest involved.
@richardstevens8635
@richardstevens8635 6 жыл бұрын
hyper teacher
@JJoy-bk8yr
@JJoy-bk8yr 6 жыл бұрын
hyper teacher Yep, death by wildlife is bad for the local tourist industry so they railroaded innocent and grieving people.
@everlasting9292
@everlasting9292 5 жыл бұрын
Speaking of the stains, both times they showed the image and spoke of it, I tried to find a handprint and couldn't see it. Anyone else see a handprint?
@OGitGirlJess
@OGitGirlJess 4 жыл бұрын
The Seinfeld comment was absolutely classless and inhumane.
@teresa1185
@teresa1185 4 жыл бұрын
A sad society that can joke about a baby's death and a mother's heartache. I cringed hearing that phrase from anyone that made a joke of it. So sad is lack of compassion and the twisted comedy that entertains.
@julieholland9639
@julieholland9639 3 жыл бұрын
Seinfeld was never funny anyway
@scottyd2262
@scottyd2262 7 жыл бұрын
I didn't know what to believe until I went to Fraser Island in 95 for a few weeks. When we 1st arrived we set up camp then went 4wheel driving up the beach... We had unloaded a huge plastic storage container containing a 4burner gas stove , all of our cooking and eating utensils , cooking oil some eggs as well.... This storage unit was close to 30kg. When we returned we noticed that it was gone. At 1st we thought that somebody stolen it . That was until we noticed drag marks plus paw prints leading away from camp. We followed them for 100 or so meteres up and down sand dunes that were very steep. As soon as we found it i thought of Azaria and knew that she was taken by a dingo
@shadycatz85
@shadycatz85 4 жыл бұрын
utter misogyny. because she didn't act stereotypically hysterical "like a woman" and because she was attractive, people wanted to tear her apart because it felt like "justice"
@jaywunder13242
@jaywunder13242 4 жыл бұрын
Plenty of men have experienced trial by media as well, and been f'ed by the justice system. Ever seen the Shawshank Redemption? They didn't think he was acting the way an innocent should either.
@Fazzel
@Fazzel 4 жыл бұрын
Brings Casey Anthony to mind. She was pretty and didn't act the way a grief stricken mother was supposed to so of course everyone thought she was guilty and had fits when she was found not guilty.
@sarahsahara2827
@sarahsahara2827 6 жыл бұрын
does anyone know whether she got her other child back, the one that was born in jail? that seems like the most horrifying thing of all to me, losing your one child to a wild animal, and the second child to the justice system
@aequoria2949
@aequoria2949 6 жыл бұрын
The baby Lindy had in prison was in the custody of her husband while she was imprisoned. When Lindy was released, she went home to her husband and children.
@sarahsahara2827
@sarahsahara2827 6 жыл бұрын
I thought her husband was sentenced as well?
@noswonky
@noswonky 6 жыл бұрын
He was found guilty as an accessory but did not go to jail.
@chooseyourpoison5105
@chooseyourpoison5105 5 жыл бұрын
Her new baby daughter Kahlia was for a time in foster care, as Michael was unsurprisingly having a hard time coping with the loss of his baby daughter Azaria, his wife, and being vilified by the entire country. I understand she returned to her Dad once he was able to cope. Kahlia has grown up to be a nurse and recently recounted to the media how a patient once read her name badge and cracked a joke about her surname "Oh, Chamberlain, like Lindy Chamberlain hey, ha ha ha" Kahlia looked him straight in the eye and said "Do you mean my mum?" She said she'd never seen a patient shut up so fast :-) Kahlia also got married a few years back and touchingly included both her "Dads" in the ceremony - her former foster dad walked her partway down the aisle and then passed her over to Michael who walked her the remaining length of the aisle.
@alysiamerdavid-wasser9165
@alysiamerdavid-wasser9165 5 жыл бұрын
@Lesbian Amazon Sister *Murdered* by a dingo. i see what you did there.😉
@gecko-nh6tx
@gecko-nh6tx 8 жыл бұрын
I met Michael Chamberlain once and I went out of my way to do so because I wanted to say sorry. But sorry for what? I remember as a 12 year-old I went into a bare floorboarded newsagency and took that monthtly edition off that revolving rack for my mother to read I knew things would never be the same. My mother and the whole country believed that Lindy killed her child. I never did even as a kid. The Australian Dingo is more than capable of dragging a baby out of a tent because it is wild by nature and it will never be denied. Eventually any wild dog will do that. Wild or domesticated because that's their nature. They will just decide to take without asking...
@1969cmp
@1969cmp 7 жыл бұрын
gecko 1979 I was 10 when it happened and my family had no issue that a dingo or other wild dog was the most likely culprit. Crikey, sheep grazers built a dog fence for a good reason. 😉
@kerryn6714
@kerryn6714 5 жыл бұрын
I agree with you both. I was 12 when it happened & my mum & I always believed it was the dingo. Mum was a country girl, so I was with her. We were in the minority though.
@chooseyourpoison5105
@chooseyourpoison5105 5 жыл бұрын
I was raised on a farm and my husband had spent time living in the NT, so we never had any doubt that it was the dingo. My husband knew some of the Uluru park rangers and the rangers had no doubt that a dingo had done it either. In my opinion those who believed Lindy had done it tended to be city dwellers with no actual knowledge of the bush. It was a dingo all right and it wasn't the first time either - the Aboriginal people used to tell their kids to stay close to the fire at night for a good reason
@NadiaGirl1
@NadiaGirl1 5 жыл бұрын
ChooseYour Poison sadly people in the city don’t know much about nature like forest rivers and farms. There so oblivious
@LittleFatFeet68
@LittleFatFeet68 5 жыл бұрын
NadiaGirl1 They don’t know nor care to know! SMH!
@chillzone9111
@chillzone9111 5 жыл бұрын
can't imagine going through what she has
@KjKase
@KjKase 6 жыл бұрын
I find it so disgusting how people stay so fervently convinced of their beliefs even when the evidence proving them wrong is staring them straight in the face.. Then again, I can't blame them--I question my beliefs a lot and it definitely doesn't make my life easier.. It does make me more aligned with the truth, however. I'd rather be unsure of myself and aware, than ignorant and full of confidence; people's tendency to choose the latter is something I dislike about most people.
@cathym4328
@cathym4328 5 жыл бұрын
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@ZoeyPortland
@ZoeyPortland 4 жыл бұрын
photos.app.goo.gl/frpqvxkd3iL93CpNA check these out and ask yourself is azaria alive or dead
@sophiewillson-quayle1683
@sophiewillson-quayle1683 4 жыл бұрын
Zoey Portland ???? a kid who looked like the baby? really??
@chystal9161
@chystal9161 4 жыл бұрын
She killed her child 100%. All evedence says that
@justachannel9379
@justachannel9379 9 жыл бұрын
I always found the dingo line to in the worst possible tastes--not funny at all--disgusting.
@virtual8366
@virtual8366 5 жыл бұрын
Because DINGO ATE MY BAEBAE
@originalshaun3
@originalshaun3 5 жыл бұрын
You would love lazarbeam
@ardithbard857
@ardithbard857 5 жыл бұрын
justachannel I never knew why that was said. Until I seen this, so sad.
@danitaharris4966
@danitaharris4966 5 жыл бұрын
Me too
@teezy09
@teezy09 5 жыл бұрын
The first time I watched the movie, I honestly laughed at the infamous line. Once I found out it was a true story, I felt bad. That's devastating, man.
@user-oh8et3xz1z
@user-oh8et3xz1z 6 жыл бұрын
I remember this and all I could think about was the last moments of that babies life.
@tomastrmata5481
@tomastrmata5481 3 жыл бұрын
@Ms Bliss Not all the time, especcialy with a smaller prey. There is a big chance that baby bleed to death, when being eaten alive.
@mariesahota7389
@mariesahota7389 6 жыл бұрын
The film was brilliant. It was never a joke. Meryl Streep was excellent
@01sweetdelight94
@01sweetdelight94 5 жыл бұрын
Meryl Streep is a satanic witch
@janlovesmany6058
@janlovesmany6058 5 жыл бұрын
@@01sweetdelight94 agree!
@RedheadLondon
@RedheadLondon 9 ай бұрын
They should have gotten an Aussie actress to do it.
@reythejediladyviajakku6078
@reythejediladyviajakku6078 3 жыл бұрын
Lindy did seem too calm in the aftermath and I heard her husband was encouraging the dingoes by throwing food at them to eat and when the baby went missing, he seemed too resolved to the fact she might be dead already. They weren’t acting in a way parents usually would, at least I heard on dr grande’s channel
@maxischew514
@maxischew514 6 жыл бұрын
Don’t read the comments, just trust me.
@maxischew514
@maxischew514 4 жыл бұрын
@@Marie-di5gl That's good.
@sarah3796
@sarah3796 7 жыл бұрын
that poor woman
@virtual8366
@virtual8366 5 жыл бұрын
Sucks to be her
@domasvixen
@domasvixen 5 жыл бұрын
It's very sad that this baby lost her life. But as a mother, I am NOT taking a 9 week old baby camping.
@DiogoF.
@DiogoF. 5 жыл бұрын
It reminds of the disappearance of Madeleine Mccann here in Portugal, everyone said her mother looked unnaturally cold and detached.
@01sweetdelight94
@01sweetdelight94 5 жыл бұрын
and guess what, the sick deranged Podesta brothers happen to be at the same place at the same time.
@jasminesims5369
@jasminesims5369 4 жыл бұрын
They did that lady wrong you can look in her eyes and can tell she's dying on the inside
@ariellaryner7740
@ariellaryner7740 4 жыл бұрын
Poor Lindy to lose your child and then to go through this miscarriage of justice
@kesharaa2355
@kesharaa2355 6 жыл бұрын
This is a tragedy all around. She lost a child, and was taken from her newborn baby (an hour after birth - so wrong and unhealthy!), plus she served time for no reason. May her child rest in peace
@UCanCallMeJesus1
@UCanCallMeJesus1 4 жыл бұрын
I remember hearing that line and having no idea what it was from or why it was funny. After learning more, I'm just heartbroken. A mother's baby died, her 2nd child was taken from her as a newborn, she was wrongfully sent to jail for 3 years, villainized by an entire country, and then laughed at by another. The fact that she still standing after dealing with all that is insane.
@oliverjabroni9912
@oliverjabroni9912 4 жыл бұрын
I’m so sorry Lindy for how unfathomably cruel and savage humans can be when they are in large groups.
@KnlMohawk13
@KnlMohawk13 5 жыл бұрын
I didnt know it was a real thing, I just remember being a kid and in the Rugrats Movie the crazy news reporter asked "Did a dingo eat your baby?!"
@mvb88
@mvb88 3 жыл бұрын
Must just be a kiwi and aussy thing. It's more to do with mocking Australia rather than the lady. Hince why you have to do it in a aussy accent.
@oranjmusemeyer968
@oranjmusemeyer968 5 жыл бұрын
Just a couple of months ago a baby was stolen right out of a camper elevated several feet off the ground while the adults slept. Luckily the father was able to rescue the baby and the child survived. Tourists feeding Dingos creating an environment of fearlessness is a real problem. I feel for the families...
@madiannc
@madiannc 4 жыл бұрын
it's funny how no one thought it could happen but recently a toddler was dragged out of his trailer by a dingo.
@Amberwhite380
@Amberwhite380 7 жыл бұрын
That poor family. It's sad how they have to live with this...
@kairae8704
@kairae8704 4 жыл бұрын
But are we all gonna ignore that that poor baby got EATEN ALIVE.
@snowclara9138
@snowclara9138 4 жыл бұрын
The dingo probably bit the baby’s throat first. She was dead before she was eaten. Of course, that doesn’t make it any better.
@Wentrashane
@Wentrashane 4 жыл бұрын
Tragic all the way around. I have often woke up at night thinking about a loved one or friend who died and what their last feeling or thoughts might have been. I'm sure the parents have woken up many nights thinking about their baby's last minutes of life.
@oliverbourke5497
@oliverbourke5497 4 жыл бұрын
im gonna say your american or just not australian and dont know anything about dingos a dingo will keep at all cost to stay away from humans and she said it went into her tent a ran away with the baby and she said she saw it happen and did nothing no dingo ate her baby
@SY-ok2dq
@SY-ok2dq 4 жыл бұрын
@@oliverbourke5497 There have been quite a lot of dingo attacks on humans, especially on Fraser Island. From an article about an attack on 2 boys - the elder boy aged 9, was killed and ehen the boy's younger brother aged 7, and his father ran to save the boy, the younger boy suffered bites on his arms and legs. Here's a quote from an article about it: Local people and farmers on Fraser Island renewed calls for a cull of the animals yesterday. There have been more than 400 relatively minor dingo attacks recorded along the island's 76-mile-long stretch of sand. Two British tourists were bitten in 1998.
@SY-ok2dq
@SY-ok2dq 4 жыл бұрын
@@oliverbourke5497 And in 2019 a 14 month old baby was saved by his father, who ran out and chased a dingo as it dragged off the baby - pulled from out of a campervan at night whilst the baby was sleeping. The baby suffered a fractured skull, had severe bite wounds and was bleeding heavily but survived after being airlifted out to hospital. Link here: www.nytimes.com/2019/04/19/world/australia/dingo-attack-fraser-island.html There's also a 60 Minutes news story about it up here on KZbin. The father says that he was very frightened as it was pitch black night and a pack of dingoes then started circling him as he held his heavily bleeding baby boy. He says he could sense dingoes trying to sneak up behind him to snatch his baby son.
@brendarand8649
@brendarand8649 4 жыл бұрын
Was walking through a parking lot, and a guy came out from under the hood of a truck. He was aborigine. He had a dingo with him. On my way home, the guy was gone, but the dog had been left behind. I took her home with me after realizing her collar was so tight, it was choking her. I had her for 13 years. Named her Baby. She was clever to the point of being shrewd. Loved to play ball, so i would find balls placed strategically, so I would have to pick it up, or kick it. She was a handful, and I never trusted her around anyone; very aggressive, and this was a tame dingo. She was obsessed with stuffed animals, and would tear a small hole, pulling out all of the stuffing, leaving the hide in perfect condition. I believe a dingo killed her baby
@SY-ok2dq
@SY-ok2dq 4 жыл бұрын
I think many people underestimate dingoes and their capabilities. Foxes are portrayed as cunning and clever predators, but for some reason many people don't seem to think dingoes could be. A hungry dingo would see a young and helpless baby like Azaria and see an easy meal free of injury risk (helpless baby, rather than say a wallaby with sharp claws and kicking feet). Anyone who's watched a few nature documentaries knows that the babies of any animal species is under special threat of being attacked and eaten by predators. They're the easiest meals to catch. Predator animals like dingoes instinctively notice the helpless babies of other species.
@endor8witch
@endor8witch 3 жыл бұрын
this is a classic case of how looking and acting different that what society expects in traumatic times will get you convicted. we don't know how we will react in traumatic times. we process shock and trauma so differently
@elsajones6325
@elsajones6325 4 жыл бұрын
Such a heartbreaking case. Country folk know how strong and vicious an animal can act. City folk don't have a clue
@supadog1133
@supadog1133 5 жыл бұрын
A mother looses her child in a brutal way, is forced to give up a baby she had an hour after labor, jailed for 3 years while her family is growing up, and is still blamed... sad.
@parrotpirate9648
@parrotpirate9648 4 жыл бұрын
Tragic loss of a child turned into a joke
@katsoutofthebox
@katsoutofthebox 5 жыл бұрын
"Dingo's got my baby" I was thinking before clicking on the video who is Dingo?
@BelindaTN
@BelindaTN 5 жыл бұрын
I am just trying to wrap my head around a mother taking her 9 week old baby on a camping trip. I can't even imagine going myself on a camping trip that soon after giving birth. I remember when this happened and I was a young mother myself. Could not imagine wanting to go on a camping trip 9 weeks after giving birth or trying to deal with an infant and other young children on a camping trip. This is a horrific story. It is bad enough to loose a baby like that without adding getting blamed for it, on top of it.
@rasberryjamdoughnut2288
@rasberryjamdoughnut2288 5 жыл бұрын
A prime example of exactly how deadly societal perceptions of women can be
@patriciaarmstrong7009
@patriciaarmstrong7009 3 жыл бұрын
A baby that young has no business being taking on a camping trip
@tommym321
@tommym321 2 жыл бұрын
Oh shut up you judgmental dummy.
@eliespinoza2045
@eliespinoza2045 4 жыл бұрын
A dingo is just a dingo. Humans are 100% at fault for this. Dingos are not native to Australia and guess who brought them there? Thats riiight people!
@BalletTapJazz
@BalletTapJazz 4 жыл бұрын
My mom used to make this joke when I was growing and I told her to stop when I actually heard about this case a few years back
@michelleharper5919
@michelleharper5919 4 жыл бұрын
I’ll be sooooooo gladddddd when society learn people grieve differently‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
@MrTigerlore
@MrTigerlore 5 жыл бұрын
Babies look like Chipotle burritos. How could nobody believe a wild dog would eat one?
@clintonleonard5187
@clintonleonard5187 7 жыл бұрын
I was born in '91 and while I've heard the jokes, this was the first time I heard the real story. Very sad, reminds me of Gone Girl.
@Aster_Risk
@Aster_Risk 5 жыл бұрын
I was born the same year, but my mom has always been really into true crime and things like that. I also saw the movie several times when I was young, so whenever people made those jokes, and they did throughout my whole childhood, I felt bad. Because I actually knew what happened, it made it not quite so funny. :(
@Rushie89
@Rushie89 6 жыл бұрын
lmfao I love that scene of RDJ saying you about to cross a line while black faced xDDDDD
@alysiamerdavid-wasser9165
@alysiamerdavid-wasser9165 5 жыл бұрын
i can't believe he got away with 'blackface'.
@roach7017
@roach7017 5 жыл бұрын
huh, I heard that phrase a lot but never knew where it came from. Now I know
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