DIOCESE OF ORANGE UNVEILS DESIGN PLANS FOR CHRIST CATHEDRAL

[@dianasun3169]

My husband always passed by the Crystal Cathedral. Once this pandemic is over we will come for mass.

[@Orionka1016]

At age 33 I came to the faith. In fact last year I went to a parish and got catechism lessons from a dedicated priest. Last christmas I got baptized, with sisters singing and my family there, despite being atheists their whole life. Unbelievable, I‘m now a practising catholic. I love my faith and my beautiful SSPX parish routed in tradition. Thank god!

[@lindaleelaw5277]

Welcome. Come, sit, take a breath, have a chat with God . Im a life Cathokic and it has given me a moral foundation . Blessed

[@greggriffin3998]

As a former member of the Crystal Cathedral Congregation, (we were transferred to Ohio from Southern CA) I am delighted with the plans. Robert Schuller said to Father Christopher when the two had a chance encounter - after the Diocese acquired the property in 2011 - "I built the Cathedral for Jesus Christ and I know with the Roman Catholics it will be for Christ - FOREVER."....it could not have been stated any better. There is some of our treasure in those buildings that we helped construct and I cannot think of a better organization to entrust our campus to that the Roman Catholics. There is a photo taken in 1979 of Robert Schuller receiving a blessing from Pope John Paul II on his (under construction) "Crystal Cathedral" - Schuller has since stated "Everyone thought I had this Master Plan [for the campus] - well I didn't -- but God did..." Perfectly stated....

[@jeffyjohn5673]

Amen, I am Catholic but always love listening to Robert Schuller and his amazing congregation. God Bless you.

[@robbie4084]

Such a beautiful comment, truly uplifting, you could feel the sincerity , god bless

[@richardbenitez7183]

Upon following these vids provided by the press and the archdiocese I can 1st of all see the amazing joy, hope and pride of faith in the faces and posture of the most humble modest means catholic parishioners, whether Hispanic, Vietnamese, elderly, etc. The cathedral campus has a legacy that resonates. The archdiocese recognizes this with great respect towards it's Protestant founders and donors. This project is a beautiful transformation to a catholic liturgical place of worship as the Body of Christ. Very well done so far I can see.

[@CeeLiberty]

The Garden Grove Community Church and then the Crystal Cathedral were a HUGE part of my life. I couldn't be happier that this church found a home with the Catholic Diocese!

[@MrsNewguy]

God Bless you all for doing such a beautiful job restoring and renovating such a grand space. I know there are so many who don't like what is happening.... but that's their problem. Had it not been for the Catholic Church acquiring the property... and respecting the architecture ..... I'm positive that it most likely would have been demolished.... OR turned into yet another ridiculous Shopping Mall!! I'm sure Dr. Schuller is so proud and grateful that this Sacred Space will continue to be a refuge for millions of God's children!

[@fr.j.steelecsc2150]

Stations of the cross? Devotional altars? Votive candles? Tabernacle centrally visible to the entire body of the church?

[@AmericansAlwaysFree]

Fr. J. Steele, CSC those are things in Catholic Cathedrals and this certainly isn't a Catholic cathedral even if those clergy that use it claim to be Catholic

[@WhyImCatholic]

One of the people in the video kept emphasizing the term "extraordinary." What about adding the Extraordinary a Roman Rite, Altar Rails, stations of the cross, kneelers, Ad Orientem Altar, candle, icons, statues, traditional stained glass windows, a tabernacle in the center, real presence candle, choir for Gregorian chant etc.

[@aldoalfaro4637]

Many, many of would wish that my bother! Some day, more you guys like us are definitely working to bring the Latín Mass back to the people.

[@AmericansAlwaysFree]

TraditionalAltarBoy because this isn't a Catholic cathedral nor are the clergy that occupy it Catholic

[@Richard-vq7ud]

U are correct. It is only Catholic in name. Read "Ugly as Sin" by Michael Rose.

[@edmundmb]

Wow That Is The Way It Should Be.Amen to that.

[@notajedimaster2489]

You sir are correct

[@robbie4084]

Incredible design and concept, very uplifting to watch and here yooot vision, thank you, god bless ye all.

[@fayethelightworker2975]

Beautiful,, God bless us all, 😍😇🙏

[@artben1328]

A beautiful presentation. So glad that Christian churches can work together as it's a testimony to those disturbed by the name of Christ. Looking forward attending the first mass at Christ Cathedral in 2017. Former member of Crystal Cathedral.

[@jasonwelle]

Wonderful! I'm so excited to see these plans revealed. My nana was a parishioner at St. Callistus for many years, so I've been following this closely. I love that this is a very modern renovation, and still appropriate for liturgical worship. I can't wait to see it completed!

[@Chris9017]

I live down the road from it, so this is wonderful :)

[@snbennett1972]

Hard to believe that the Catholic Church can afford to buy the crystal cathedral. They must still be selling forgiveness of sins like they did to build st Peters basilica in rome.

[@CrimsonFury006]

Jason Welle This is a million times better than it being converted into a shopping mall! It would have been such blasphemy if that did ever happen. I would absolutely love to see Christ Cathedral when I do come to SoCal one of these years.

[@heidikohne6895]

This will be great when it's all done. Thank you for posting updates for everyone to enjoy. Now I'll have to come to California to visit!

[@mannybarrera7020]

I think they are doing a great job with the renovations. Amen!

[@scsstudios]

I'm not a catholic. But I must say I was pleasantly proved wrong by this video! I thought people would judge and condemn the former Crystal Cathedral, but they didn't. made me smile just a little bit.

[@franciscoribeiro6034]

Parabéns:...o amor dos Católicos pela Igrejá é maravilhoso, Deus proteja nossos irmãos Americanos. na Fé Católica!

[@twentism2488]

joyful joyful we adore thee forever all denominations, come to Unity.

[@tabstabs4855]

ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH THE EVER VICTORIOUS CHURCH FOUNDED BY JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VIVA CRISTO REY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@drbluenike]

+MARCUS AQUINUS Jesus was a practicing jew, sir. He did not found any religion, except The Word that is God.

[@CorekBleedingHollow]

Wrong he founded the Christian Church which is the Catholic Church

[@kariyam2202]

@@CorekBleedingHollow i dont remember reading the word "catholic" anywherr in the bible.

[@CorekBleedingHollow]

Kariya M the old classic “not in the Bible” argument. Get this. The Bible wasn’t around when Jesus was here.

[@normzlex7657]

Founded by Christ since 33AD. Viva Cristo Rei

[@1JAMINben]

It really doesn't look like a Catholic Cathedral. It reminds me of the Protestant Churches I used to go to honestly.

[@francisamielguevarra7203]

1JAMINben Some here. No more mossaic at Beautiful Paintings

[@TheJakeman789]

Actually it doesn’t matter what the building is. It’s just a building. The church is the people! People don’t go to church, they are the church!

[@terrichavira7409]

I loved it can't wait. But I would like to request or find out will you have a virgin mary or guadalupe in the cathedral? There many followers of virgen of guadalupe my family kids and husband always before leaving mass on Sundays at st. Calistus previous premises always use to give our thanks and my husband and kids say a prayer and now I don't see her anywhere at the christ cathedral premises.

[@jkcarroll]

+Terri Chavira Per the Christ Cathedral website virtual tour, "The Marian Court will be located to the northeast and will feature a large moveable predella, or platform for an outdoor Mass or other events. This area will accommodate from 8,000 to 20,000 people. As the name suggests, there will be a shrine to the Blessed Virgin located in this place." I imagine the Virgin of Guadalupe will be displayed there.

[@rjsledz]

Where is the Eucharistic Presence to be Worshipped?

[@samarasama960]

I want to be a choir member of that cathedral

[@rien802]

Diocese Organge the main building the glass one does have 2 giant glass doors will they still be there after the big make over or will they be replaced by glass wall ?? and there should be if you ask me a monument for Robert schuller since he have laid the foundation of the buildings them self and he have past away recently may his soul rest in piece

[@giaophanlangsoncaobang8453]

Tuyệt vời! Xin tạ ơn Thiên Chúa.

[@QuandtHenderson]

It's absolutely beautiful but the HVAC monthly bill must be staggering!

[@iawy8264]

The Catholic Church stands for Jesus Amen

[@BCSchmerker]

*The Crystal Cathedral remodel has some unique challenges for the designers.* The choral sanctum rebuild is in concert with Fratelli Ruffatti Sp.A.'s overhaul of the Hazel Wright Organ; I'd have recommend repositioning the pipes and expression boxes to better support the Catholic rite's liturgical requirements in addition to replacing several ranks of Solo pipes with aluminum principals and strings, copper flutes, and copper and steel reed resonators, which can tolerate the thermal cycling that destroyed many of the original SnPb Solo pipes beyond repair (sagging and even detached languids were discovered during teardown). The raised platform for the altar and the bishop's seat is a good move. Congregational seating for the remodel is an excellent adaptation of the arrangement in the Greek-cross plan at St. Peter's Basilica, Vatican City, which has equal capacity for congregants on three sides of the altar platform (the fourth being reserved for clergy and choir); here, only the "nave" is short on account of sanctuary dimensions optimized for an Anglican congregation in a television studio rather than for the balance of the Anglican liturgy. Most of the stations of the Cross and some auxiliary chapels can be located in the "transepts," which have room to spare.

[@tomomalley7501]

I am so pleased that I’m no longer a catholic. I would be so deeply ashamed of the obscene waste of $130m that could have been used to help people survive in this troubled world. Jesus must wonder why he bothered....

[@Richard-vq7ud]

The congregation is completely divided, literally??

[@davidmayer4776]

wonderful

[@blowba]

I just hope they don't kill all the natural light that would come in and cut off the sky. I liked the feeling of worshipping in the midst of God's creation. I hope it's not too cold and sterile.

[@VinylToVideo]

A cathedral should give a glimpse of heaven on earth and I just don't see it here. This is modernist, cold, and represents a view of the Church I don't care for.

[@JohnnyMidnyte]

+VinylToVideo Nor do I. It is exactly as you describe, modernist and cold. I guess saving a few bucks by buying an existing structure was more important than having something suitable for Catholic worship. Of course, with all the money they are sinking into this pit, I find it hard to believe they couldn't have built a proper Catholic church from the ground up. But then, when we see the monstrosities built in Oakland and the Arch of LA, it seems there are few if any Catholic architects left in the state of California.

[@ThomasJM]

I wouldn't call spending 5.3 million dollars to buy it in the first place saving money. I think it will be a very beautiful Roman Catholic Cathedral once it's finished. Especially with the glass ceiling so you can see into the heavens.

[@graciouscompetentdwarfrabbit]

VinylToVideo The cathedral itself shouldn't give a glimpse of Heaven on Earth. The Mass is that glimpse. The cathedral it's just a consecrated place where the Mass and other catholic services take place. The building itself it's important, that's true, but have you ever seen Masses celebrated outside? The places aren't always very comforting, but the Mass is ALWAYS that glimpse.

[@ephraimpaul]

@@graciouscompetentdwarfrabbit a cathedral needs that visual awe and sacredness, in fact not just the cathedral but churches too. Its through the visual awe that'll interest people to learn and discover that there's something more important, which is the Sacrifice of Mass. I agree that the mass should be a glimpse of heaven & earth, but most celebrants don't celebrate mass in such a way because they misinterpreted the Liturgical reforms in Vatican II and caused Liturgical Abuse. Sadly this happened because some priests who weren't visually in awe lacked motivation and conviction in celebrating Mass. The disciples saw the miracles of Jesus before they understood some of His teaching/mysteries and appreciated them

[@jeffyjohn5673]

Beautiful, it would be wonderful to reach out to the former congregation and invite them to be a part as well.

[@durlavboruah4034]

God bless.....

[@jefftd202]

I heard they removed the old organ to have it restored. I wish they would have just built a new one.

[@hungphan3299]

Where is the money ?

[@here_we_go_again2571]

Starting from scratch to build an organ is prohibitively epensive. The exterior design of the organ fits with the architecture.

[@julianatimothi5134]

I Will love going tO church if the church look like this in my country hE he

[@abdulmuhaiminjaimiri9697]

Bukanya gereja di indo sdh layak ya?

[@Tom23470]

The rival of the Taj Mahoney.......The TAJ VANN

[@ancylostomiasis]

LOL so true.

[@DeanFerraro]

If this Cathedral leads to an increase in vocations to the priesthood in our diocese, then it is a success. One only has to drive to St Michael's Abbey near Cook's Corner, to see what happens when priests celebrate liturgical worship and prayer according to our 2000-year-old traditions. The Abbey is literally bursting at the seams with vocations, men who want to serve our Lord, Jesus. Is it because the Abbey has modernized its offerings? Or is it because the Abbey is such a radical departure from regular life for these men that they are drawn to the ageless wisdom of our ancient forms of worship? If the Cathedral leads more men to become priests then it is a success, if not, it has been a waste of our Lord's resources. Europe has plenty of these "new" looking churches. They sit empty...

[@taxfree4]

They're transforming it from a beautiful protestant chapel to another post Vatican II protestant chapel.

[@taxfree4]

@Said Eli Cueva Sava These days the protestants do a better job of Catholic ceremonies than Nervous Ordo churches.

[@thomasredman3777]

I just thankful the Roman Catholic Diocese didn't destroy the organ. If anyone can momick up a worship space it the Catholic Church. I'll wait to hear the refurbished organ.

[@PointyTailofSatan]

No mention of the fantastic organ.

[@here_we_go_again2571]

The organ was disassembled in 2013 and was being rebuilt by Ruffatti . It was supposed to be re- dedicated in 2020.

[@tamiasthechipmunk]

Very nice!!

[@allanrodrigo2588]

Belíssima catedral,tomara que se adore com o mesmo fervor da igreja antiga e não fique presos somente em rituais...

[@MethodistPreacher]

Now I'm AME, that is of the African Methodist Episcopal Church, Protestant from the Anglican Church persuasion. I was quite saddened that what Dr. Robert Schuller built and pastored was literally forsaken by his children. I pray the Catholic Diocese will cherish it and its majestic fervor. How arrogant of those who judge the Cathedral as unworthy to be Catholic! I would have thought people would be praising such a beautiful structure that brings glory to God. God is not pleased to hear Believers speak such evil.

[@lindaleelaw5277]

The Congregants before must have decreasing numbers to do this .

[@nguyetho683]

I know it was good deal for them to buy from the Protestant because they couldn't afford the payments but it's sad when they could use the money to help the loss souls. The bathrooms are crazy like a 5 stars hotels. I've be en there and I don't care for the waste of money. Not having ungodly people working there and in the information center. God send fire 🔥 there for them to repent. I cried when I was there because I felt Jesus is not in there. Jesus have mercy!!!

[@noahofcc]

Knock it down and start over.

[@jnuval]

You gonna pay for it?

[@AmericansAlwaysFree]

jnuval better yet lets just keep to old cathedral and sell this to someone else

[@AsaboveSobelow-vs6iq]

Yup! I'm part of the rebuild! 👷

[@dlwatib]

This video doesn't really "unveil" very much about the plans for the changes to be made and doesn't give a good idea for what the spaces will feel like. That's too bad because it gives rise to fears among many Catholics that the space won't feel Catholic at all. Too often modern architecture is devoid of the lively symbolic expressions of faith that are at the very heart of our Catholic heritage. This is a special problem at the Christ Cathedral where the major axis of the building defies Catholic tradition and is shorter than the minor axis. It would also help if the staff of the diocese would (once in a while) mention prayer as a legitimate activity that should take place in a cathedral. Constantly mentioning "gathering" and "outreach" without ever mentioning prayer and the lifting of one's heart to God does not engender a good feeling that traditional Catholic piety is going to be upheld. Don't get me wrong. I'm not a naysayer. I may very well end up liking the Christ Cathedral when the work is complete. I'm not opposed to modern architecture if it is suitably inspiring and functional. But I am saying that this video doesn't go into enough detail to soothe traditional Catholic sensibilities, as you can witness for yourself in some of the following comments. Catholics are not iconoclasts and shouldn't have to worship in a whitewashed space essentially devoid of iconography.

[@kevincasey5996]

dlwatib Maybe not having a stuffy dark church is not what God had in mind. They tore out the Garden of Eden They Blocked out the sun. and for what So you can be happy? Go watch some of the old hour Of Power Episodes featuring the Original design. Then look at it now. Plain, Ordinary, & Dull.

[@love2sing20101]

I hope they add more color and organic craftsmanship. I prefer the beauty of curvature etc. like the human form. and artwork that tells a story.

[@BCSchmerker]

+dlwatib *Not so much a problem* - the Christ Cathedral sanctuary congregational seating plan is adapted from that in St. Peter's Basilica, Vatican City, which has equal floor area on all four sides of the altar platform to accommodate reasonably equal numbers of congregants on three sides (the fourth being reserved for clergy and choir). Christ Cathedral's shape biases seating capacity to the transepts, but the nave still has a reasonable proportion of the floor area for congregational seating. The only surprise for me was a flying canopy and bronze cross above the new altar platform; i reckoned on a life-sized crucifix above and behind the bishop's seat, probably anchored where Dr. Schuller's pulpit used to stand.

[@nivid01]

The internal renovation is an eyesore and not worthy of the former glorious Crystal Cathedral. The internal renovation is appalling to say the least and the vandalism of a once majestic and beautiful place!!

[@notajedimaster2489]

This isn’t liturgical architecture. It doesn’t glorify God.

[@TheJakeman789]

Instead of the Catholic Church spending money on this stuff, they should send funds to those in need. The church is the people, not the building!

[@RyRyVids]

Precious Tritium you’re wrong about that!

[@iawy8264]

So every Cathedral in the world is wrong? Go back to sleep

[@notajedimaster2489]

@@iawy8264 When did I say that? There are thousands and thousands of churches, cathedrals, and basilicas which bring the heart and mind to God. A church is a place where the heart and mind go to prayer. The architecture should also reflect this. This is why the Church has traditionally built in certain style’s throughout history because those styles accomplish that. In the past 60 years, this modernist style has come to be popular. Although many of the buildings are quite cool and interesting, they don’t bring the heart and mind to God in anyway. It becomes a way to glorify man rather than God because we think we need to make the designs as crazy as possible. Here’s an example of a church which actually is an appropriate place for worship: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5SZlZSjoLWqbpo

[@here_we_go_again2571]

R.C.C. is going to run into the same problems as the Crystal Cathedral ministry with this property ($$$)

[@sheenacastro]

with the shape of the building, it seems that a lot of space will be wasted. fewer catholics will be accomodated inside the church. i like the building, but if i will choose between this and the traditional one, i will still choose the traditional one. 75 million dollars, i think that will be enough to build a church as beautiful but not as big as st. peter's basilica ,or the sacred heart of paris ,or st john lateran in rome. or the biggest church in poland.

[@gregcouture8253]

I highly doubt it. To build a cathedral today the size of St Peter's, Rome would probably cost about 1 BILLION dollars. not 75 million.

[@kevincasey5996]

sheenacastro Well if you look ad videos of the building formerly known as the Crystal cathedral you would see your correct. They ripped out many seats so that the priest can have a table rather than a stage. The old building was well lit with natural light & life was literally growing all around. They should restore it to what it formally looked like.

[@xtusvincit5230]

+Kevin Casey Altar instead of stage, as it should be.

[@PInk77W1]

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[@chico5856]

Excelente investimento! Essa coisa aí pode se transformar em um shopping center em apenas uma semana. A liturgia dificilmente terá lugar aí... A vanitas episcopalia, sim, terá lugar garantido. Muita grana... pouca espiritualidade.

[@Heavy_Distortion]

Schuller had a team of people counting money.

[@mudgebauer]

Its a dirty rotten shame what they did to the crystal cathedral. They should have left it alone.

[@aldoalfaro4637]

"My great hope for our Cathedral is that it would be a place that celebrates unity, solidarity and the oneness that is ours as God's holy people here in the diocese of Orange." These are the words of the priest in charge of the restoration of the building.... he just forgot a little something...that Cathedrals and churches do not celebrate stoic values for good that they are... we celebrate GOD ONLY!!! Our focus, and the Church's focus is not the people of God or nice ideas.... is God alone!!! This priest has betray his priesthood. His job is to offer to God Jeusus' sacrifice on the Cross and to clean God's people from their sins and not to celebrate solidarity!! Nasty. Disappointing. Can somebody smack the face of that arrogant man?!

[@normzlex7657]

Novus Ordo is really Killing Medieval Tradition :(

[@sandranlembosantamarina6227]

As an Architect I can not see any form of catholic identity in this non inviting out of scale building , where people do not feel like they can come inside with glass walls non inviting . Where is the way of the cross? . The lizard skin like ceiling its just so no catholic. The piramid upside down above the altar is forgotten? or too obvious? Sorry futuristic not inviting for worship.its a place for buisness for the super rich . How to find God in this place. I apologize but a no no

[@PInk77W1]

Buy iconic building Ruin iconic building. Unbelievable

[@MrTagahuron]

more modernist and empty typeof architecture. no character whatsoever!

[@RyRyVids]

Deplorable Covfefe In the 80s when I went there as a child, there were “Angels” swinging like acrobats from the ceiling, artistic dramatizations glorifying the word of the Bible, the church was impressive on the outside and from within it did very little to distract from the events that played out. We were gifted crystal stars at the close of ceremony, and the memory stands within my mind as beautiful. I searched out the cathedral, because of the memory and the season. You don’t like the architecture, because it wasn’t designed with you in mind. It was designed for the children of a bygone era, a great time, I guess you had to be there to appreciate it...

[@yuregomes2013]

a Missa Versus Populum acabou se tornando Versus ninguém. A Igreja tem que ter uma nave Central, e essa Catedral é totalmente mal adaptada. Sinceramente, será um show de horrores liturgico.

[@lmtt123]

Liberalism!

[@erikriza7165]

it will be a 1970s church. Iconoclastic, uninspiring. it will still look "protestant"

[@TheJakeman789]

The. Catholic Church has millions and millions of dollars, so let’s spend it on ourselves like this building. THR CHURCH IS THE PEOPLE NOT THE BUILDING! Instead of using the money for this useless stuff, why not send money to those in need? Why not send money to help end hunger to those places around the world?

[@bsoroud]

There’s no beauty here

[@gerardo3783]

No me gusta para nada, lo menos que parece es una iglesia catolica.

[@paopatylunel2151]

No podian ..hacer mas..despogar a ..los mas umildes a ..no tiene color ..mas vien a a putrefacto..oooasta donde llega la malda del hombre..Dios una a los Emvangelistas

[@tcnewkirk]

Hideous.

[@scsstudios]

To each their own :)

[@PInk77W1]

You buy an iconic building and ruin it ??? So sad

[@CJCappella]

Ugly! Absolutely ugly!

[@rosaspanjol673]

It does not look like a church......who paid for this extravagant place?....who will pay for maintenance?...Jesus did not preach in a place like this!

[@PInk77W1]

Should of left it alone. It was already iconic and beautiful. Sure u have to add an altar and candles and a few other catholic elements. But u didn’t have to spend a mint and ruin an iconic building. So sad.

[@huffy82]

You've completely destroyed the beautiful interior that was once there. SHAME ON YOU ALL.

[@smokiedapoo2]

I dont think god approves. Needs more gold and diamond, and more shiny stuff to get Gods attention. Send more $$$$.

[@nivid01]

The internal renovation is an eyesore and not worthy of the former glorious Crystal Cathedral. The internal renovation is appalling to say the least and the vandalism of a once majestic and beautiful place!!