Diocletian's Palace, in Split, Croatia

[@Onnenkissa]

I spent a week in Split with two of my friends. Both of them were like let's go to the beach, let's go shopping. And I was just like, but...but HISTORY! And a palace and the architecture! Yeah...So I spent the vacation mostly on my own just salivating all over the old town.

[@darioburatovich2240]

Good on you, you chose well, ofcourse ! Dobro si učinil, ma bome !

[@paolaedvige1294]

😅❣️

[@adrian3355w]

I was there. It is spectacular. Croatia is the most beautiful country in the world imo

[@dashinvaine]

Better to see knickers in Split than splits in knickers, I always think.

[@emmyb115]

Dying! 🤣

[@rubenfranco8373]

Right! 😅😂😂😂😂

[@dIRECTOR259]

A few points: *#1* It's actually a Catholic cathedral, not just any "church". Apparently one of the oldest cathedrals still standing in the world at that. Very old indeed if you go by the age of the structure itself, which existed for some 300 years before becoming a cathedral.. (the Cathedral of Saint Domnius: consecrated early 7th century AD; structure built AD 305). The bell tower was built much later, and very gradually (over the course of some three hundred years, roughly between the mid-13th and mid-16th centuries). *#2* You seem to have lost your bearings up in the belfry.. by 90 degrees. Your "east" is north, your "north" is west, your "west" is south, and your "south" is east... *#3* The palace was not abandoned "after the Roman era", but after the death of Diocletian in AD 311... Then, for some 300 years it was periodically occupied by people from the nearby provincial capital of Salona. The Salonitan refugees permanently inhabited it some time after the sack of Salona (late AD 500s) - _and all this_ in the "Roman era". The "Roman era" in the area persisted until at least the 6th century, but it can be seen as lasting all the way to about 1204 (if you count Byzantine rule as part of the "Roman era"). The city itself never actually fell to any barbarians and more-or-less shifted over to Venice after the crusader Sack of Constantinople. *#4* The cardo and decumanus were "respectable streets" in actual Roman towns. This was a fortress. That is to say, the rest were hardly "disrespectable".. the place was mostly a military garrison, and the rest were Diocletian's servants and hangers-on. Later on when the place became a city (about the early 6th century) the Palace as a whole was more-or-less an "elite" area, depending on the period. The bit about street respectability is generally correct ofc, but it doesn't really apply here. You'll find quite a few rather fancy noble residences in the side streets. *#5* At the time of Diocletian the region was known primarily as Dalmatia, as it is today (it gave its name to the breed of dog). "Illyricum" was not used officially after AD 10. *#6* Diocletian almost certainly did farm cabbages. Presumably in a small garden in the palace. That's attested in sources. Not hard to believe since he was of pretty low birth and clearly on something of a nostalgia trip (he grew up the area and retired there). *#7* Constantine was actually from the Balkans, modern-day Serbia to be precise. Diocletian himself too, he was from right about there, near Split. Aurelian "The Restorer of the World" as well.. they were all part of the Illyrian military clique that controlled the empire for a long while, and brought it back from the brink of disaster in the 3rd century... So.. "huzzah" for the Balkans...? :D

[@dIRECTOR259]

***** I know. But Byzantine (Roman) influence in the area (Dalmatia) did not last beyond the 12th century.. there was a brief restoration by Manuel Comnenus, but that's rather insignificant. Also, the term "Eastern Roman Empire" shouldn't rightly be used for the state in question beyond the death of the Western Roman Empire. The Imperial regalia was sent to Constantinople. The emperors there considered themselves rulers of the whole empire, and their state was, until the very end, named simply "Roman Empire".

[@dIRECTOR259]

***** No need: the HRE is the *Holy* Roman Empire. The state we're talking about, in that time period, is either the "Byzantine Empire", or "Roman Empire". They didn't use Latin then either, it'd be "Basileia Rhōmaiōn", in native speech.

[@dIRECTOR259]

***** Right :). Amended my post above to clarify a few errors on the part of Lindybeige. Added a few also.

[@darkomartinovic6475]

good job! do one for his dubrovnik video , he made lots of mistakes there also. i like his style but when he talks noncance about city you live in its kinda annoying.

[@cherylbusch6236]

Thank you for taking the time to clarify and state accurate (historical) facts. It’s a sad day when history is “sold” to us by a slick, albeit charming, “car salesman.” Very few, if any KZbin viewer would take the time to fact check. They’d consider themselves “informed” and keep passing on sloppy history. We who love HISTORY, salute you!

[@Clembo]

I love it when tourist destinations are this concise. Great food, fantastic history, and all within the space of a couple of football pitches.

[@Jinseual]

When Diocletian was asked to become emperor again after he retired he responded with "If only you could see the cabbages we have planted at Salonae with our hands, you would never again judge that tempting prospect."

[@emlmm88]

Woah. That was _one_ laid back bird.

[@honkskillet]

That's what you were going to say about the horse before it kicked you in the ass.

[@5arToto]

glad to see my home town in one of your videos, although I'm cringing on how you got the cardinal directions wrong - at least you got the gates right :)

[@GyroCoder]

You had one hell of a nice hometown.

[@ThibautVDP]

"meh, i don't like being an emperor anymore. i know! i'll follow my TRUE dreams and become a cabbage farmer!"

[@mezene99]

I never wanted to be an emperor, I wanted to be a lumberjack!

[@DunceCapSyndrome]

He just wanted to LARP as Sulla.

[@thesayxx]

My grandmas brother work there as a renovator/maintenance worker (mostly for stone working) till he retired, during the 50's-80's. I absolutley love that place.

[@NoozeCat]

I visited Croatia with my family about a year ago, interesting place. We stayed at Makarska most of the time but stopped by at Split at some point. We didn't go far from the bus station though. The mix of very old and new architecture is just amazing.

[@lindybeige]

The palace is a short walk from the bus station.

[@dIRECTOR259]

Yah. You can actually see it from the station. Can't miss it in fact.

[@Vampmonkey616]

*WHOOOOOSH* "DOES IT EVER GET WINDY HERE?" "WHAT?" "I SAID-" *WHOOOOOOOOSH*

[@brachypelmasmith]

+John Johnson The best part - as a Croatian, this is not especially windy for that part

[@MARILYNMONROE77778]

+brachypelmasmith LOOK AT MY CHANNEL TITLED MY MOST BEAUTIFUL PICTURES

[@Vampmonkey616]

SELMA ALEKSIĆ No.

[@damanorelse]

There's a lot of irony in Diocletian having his palace and mausoleum in "split" for us English speakers at least.

[@CroTechno]

indeed :)

[@GyroCoder]

Awwwww, that bird. What a chill chap.

[@alecbg919]

Of all your videos, these type are my favourite. Less emphasis on killy things and more emphasis on beautiful architecture!

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

Bird: "Oi guv I'm tryna shleep"

[@opmdevil]

I guess those girls never finished the stairs...

[@ericheckenkamp6091]

That lintel is fascinating. It's like a flat arch! I must know more!

[@nni9310]

Why would a stone mason construct a flat arch when he could have installed a flat piece of stone?

[@SODEMO2007]

That tower climb is nerve-wracking. I've been up there several times and it's always windy at the top btw.

[@SK9Wolf7]

Im very proud to be from this country! You should visit Solin and old city Trogir, and if you maybe go near Zagreb you should visit new museum of neanderthals in Krapina its amazing!

[@LaviniaDeMortalium]

These video's delight me; they also do something squirmy-warm to my insides. Thank you

[@HzHzder]

I love the videos where you do surveys and such!

[@Ahi06]

great to see you back on my subscription feed, good content!

[@MrPopinjay]

Good to have you back, chap!

[@gamiezion]

thank you for the insperation, i did not know there was such a well preserved palace in croatia.

[@Tatwinus]

Damn, I was on vacation in croatia a few weeks ago and visited split too. Would have loved to meet you in the clocktower. Fun fact, that pigeons eggs hatched while I was up in the tower. Also Trogir next? They have a wonderful medieval castle there that I didnt have the chance to see b/c of the world championship in medieval fighting being held there during that weekend.

[@mixolydian2010]

Amazing place that is definitely where i am going on my next holiday, thanks a lot for the tour and the interesting facts too. All the best.

[@AntonFetzer]

It just dawned on me, that I spent 3 days in this town in 2013 and did not know there was a roman palace. Didn't think it is possible to overlook Diocletians pallace

[@ResourceRetriever]

Your video editing has come a long way. Nice short and sweet video : )

[@xezazase]

Brilliant idea putting bells in the bell tower

[@PolloJack]

Could you make a video on suggestions for how to travel cheaply?

[@taltamir]

I can't hear you over the wind. you should dub over the windy parts.

[@MadHatter42]

I think that's kinda the point, to emphasize how much wind there is.

[@Anacronian]

Mad Hatter Wind...HUZZA!

[@Knightonagreyhorse]

Windy sounds were added to make the video more irritating.

[@stjepo91]

Its quite cool, that place where the where the Dioceltians private palace wall is, we would sometimes hangout there, drink wineetc, and then realise that 1700 years ago people (by people I mean retired roman emperor) were doing exactly same thing at exactly same place :)

[@VTeslaV]

who is filming?

[@21centurymagic]

Ur mum

[@lindybeige]

Josip Pavic.

[@LordPindar]

Lindybeige What, the famous water polo player?

[@logical-functionsmodel9364]

+Lindybeige lol :)

[@Seadog7981]

+Lindybeige Split is either sunny or rainy and windy.

[@nenad.zaninovic]

im huge fan of yours, and im very glad you visit my hometown

[@MBooshieH]

I quite like these videos. It's nice to watch something informative for a change. I suppose I had no idea that I could be so interested in history prior to discovering your channel. I suppose it seems more human or one-on-one if you will than sitting down and reading hundreds of pages from a book.

[@apartmentsmiroslavvojnovic3302]

Greetings from amazing Split!

[@jameskenny8821]

It's so good to see that you're giving us relevant content even though your on holidays... and not some douchebag with a selfie camera of themselves creating a four second video with a mid panorama view with them smiling in it.

[@Kristofortravel-rab]

see you covered main tourist fly-in sights :-) hope you'd decide to explore some more and to see you here on Rab a bit up north to make one of your funnny funny and sooo language precious spots i enjoy listening

[@triratnawati6490]

A great palace.. Should it be renovated in some parts ? Thanks for this beautiful video . Best regards from Indonesia. 🗻🏖

[@PerunsZGRevenge]

You might want to visit Klis while you're in Split. Also please do tell if you intend to be visiting Zagreb on your way back, some of us missed out on the chance to meet you the first time.

[@paranoidwzy]

Are you going for Trogir next?

[@sharine04]

I love your video. Very well done, I would have felt you are a good guide.

[@Marko-od7eb]

Lindybeige I recommend you visit the island of Rab next. It is small but much older than Dubrovnik (It was founded around 360BC). I had a house there before the 90's. Small and very clean little town and I think it hosted Prince William and Kate Middleton at one point.

[@DarthPulven]

keep the vids comming. but please put a sock on the mic. when filming outside hehe..

[@Ficzzho]

Are you planing on visiting Zagreb?

[@lindybeige]

Stay tuned.

[@dIRECTOR259]

Lindybeige For the love of good vacationing, stay as far away from that depressing grey Central-European town as you can.. Might as well go to Belgrade then, ugh... Besides the coast and the lakes, there's practically nothing in Croatia worth exploring. You'd fare better taking a detour to Vienna, or Budapest, not to their smaller, bleaker copy. Or even Ljubljana..

[@retromusic7234]

Lindybeige MY HOME CITY!

[@dIRECTOR259]

+JosipAvelini I can only conclude you don't know the meaning of the term "hordes of tourists"...

[@quasicroissant]

+dIRECT0R Seems pretty nice to me, going by the videos...

[@Sorcerer115]

Lindy, if you ever decide to visit Osijek (formerly known as Mursa), or other places in Croatia that are perhaps less of a tourist trap, I'd love to meet you and maybe show you around. This region has a long history of Roman, Illyrian and even Celtic settlement. One of the bloodiest battles in the history of the Roman Empire, the battle of Mursa Major, took place right here, but sadly, nobody seems to be sure of the exact spot... I can certainly pretend like I have secret insider knowledge if it will make you more likely to grace us with your presence, though! Or maybe the presence of a KZbin celebrity will finally provide the impetus for a large scale archaeological effort... well, we can dream, right?

[@TheIfifi]

I've been where he is standing..... *fangasm*

[@TheRandomHero1988]

can i come on holiday with you next time ? amazing, my better half would never put up with visiting these sort of places.

[@michaeltariga5285]

What an incredibly laid back bird.

[@rubenfranco8373]

Thank you sir! Awesome!

[@michaeldougfir9807]

Good job, working Escher's stairs in there.

[@LordIsaacofGlencoe]

I remember gathering rather funny looks from the locals when taking a picture mimicking the pose of the statue while in front of it.

[@QuillPen77]

I've been watching all of your videos, and I must say......I should like to hang out with you sometime Mr. Lindy ...haha

[@JonatasMonte]

Congratulations you've unlocked all the secrets of the district.

[@Erduk]

Where's the unobtainium gate?

[@rolfskytte]

Great super duper video!

[@NZWarsmith]

was there a dwarven silver gate?

[@JonLoldrup]

when do you choose to buy proper audio recording equipment?

[@0835SEBO]

Thank you for, uh, this channel? You're awesome.

[@finnreuter1795]

have you been to the old town in Jerusalem?

[@95spades]

I've been there, it's really cool, but man do you get scared of those rusted stairs in that "bell"tower

[@logical-functionsmodel9364]

Good music choice(s) !!!! :)

[@TreeGod.]

The street from a new one was a good place for me to go

[@drowninginthoughts]

Oh. First dubrovnik, then split. Next šibenik? My recommendation stays the same. Go to zadar. It's on your route :) just follow the cost north

[@foxmarshall4402]

I want to start a vote, WHO votes Lindybeige get his own TV show, presenting history!! I would watch it over anything on that stale thing we call TV. Remind me Mister beige, next time I am England, I will take you to your favorite place of eating (my shout of course) and we shall talk history and drink much red wine sir :) P.S. Maybe you can also teach my wife to dance, she was born with two left feet ;)

[@MightyChooch]

WINDYBEIGE

[@tombarac8253]

This is the oldest christian cathedral in the world actually. Those are words of Angelo Soldano state secretary of Vatican. Split is a great mistery.

[@stevemiller6766]

We love your videos and commentary but PLEASE get a wireless mic! It is so hard to follow your dialog with the camera mic. Thank you!

[@21owlgirl72]

I wish you would make 25 minute videos like these.

[@KawauMusic]

Great video, but I hate the scenes with all the wind in the microphone. And I like the joke with the mithril gate ...

[@michaelmcneil4168]

I am surprised to find that in the digital age your recorder was a wind instrument with very poor acoustics.

[@JonatasMonte]

2014?

[@quasicroissant]

Saiko kukaan selvää mitä noi tyypit huus? :D

[@CappuccinoSquid]

4:26 most of the southeastern coast of the US right now.

[@ebyanrezgui88]

Lindybeige...HUZZA!

[@RobertShyanNorwalt]

By crickie?

[@dylanfloyd777]

NICE VIDEO MAN!...and nice shape of hair haha,tsunami wasn't be in Croatia ever,but you have mirror on a plane or Hat :-) !!!

[@youtubeuser6067]

The bell tower's modern stairway has been redone and it is completely safe to climb. No open space in the middle.

[@philipshanahan2774]

how come i didn't see these illyricum episodes already>

[@Chivas6]

Have you ever appeared on TV?

[@michaelthompson5967]

If you were dubbing over the video why didn't you just eliminate all the sound you recorded? I don't really care just being glib.

[@tomgarrod7245]

Been to split myself, lovely town apart from the smell from the harbour

[@WeAreCameron]

love this guy

[@filiptino6445]

Hi Lindy ! Will! you maybe visit Serbia or Kosovo?

[@capnclawhammer3024]

WhAT?! No Mithrill Gate!? We need to do something about that!

[@Segalmed]

Never been to Croatia myself but there is a nice restaurant a few minutes walk from here named 'Diokletian Split' and it too has been around as long as I can think back. ;-) The church DID honour Diocletian in a way though. Long before that monk came up with the idea to count the years from the birth of Christ and even longer before that idea caught on Christians counted the years from the last great persecution by the emperor. So in a sense AD was a originally Anno Diocletiani before it became Anno Domini. ;-)

[@CroTechno]

Hey Segalmed, could you please cite any sources about that claim?

[@Segalmed]

CroTechno What about this? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Era_of_Martyrs Not actually my source but probably more useful than citing some old textbook, you'd have difficulty to obtain.

[@CroTechno]

well of course, Wikipedia :) Hvala!

[@jonwarland272]

I went to that tower once. There were two people badly dressed as Romans at the bottom charging money for photos with them.

[@entirehorz8327]

They used to be two men dressed like your cheap roman republic solider as i remember them from my childhood, i think they stopped being a thing since 2018...

[@Balamutus3000]

cool hair dude :)

[@gloriahoulihan8717]

His wife and daughter didn't fare well did they! It looks a marvellous place to visit .

[@ifgmbtf]

Lindybeige The picture you are using at 4:49 is inaccurate. Even in time of Diocletian there was a waterfront. Here is a source, with pictures of the excavated waterfront when the riviera was being renovated: www.mhas-split.hr/english/excavations/SplitskaRiva/tabid/203/language/hr-HR/Default.aspx

[@dfghj241]

history is your job or your hobby?

[@johnjamele]

I'll be visiting this in June, 2020 :>)

[@tohopes]

1:00 .. thought you were gonna say "Diocletian didn't die."

[@G4LERNE]

Sure is windy in Croatia.

[@dIRECTOR259]

Well, no, not especially.

[@trstenik100]

You are 90 degrees off. The sea is south, not west. Grgur is at the north wall.

[@jtojagicc]

Man, I work literally 20 meters from there :)

[@bromson2369]

liked it just for the endcut statement

[@nuancedhistory]

Salona! The capital of late Roman Illyria et Dalmatia, home to Julius Nepos and his "rump state" before it was incorporated into the Eastern Empire in 480.

[@vrtar99]

come to trakošćan pls :D it is much more preserved and it's a castle :P

[@dIRECTOR259]

Pfff, the whole of northern Croatia is pointless to visit. Just go to Austria or Hungary for a far better version of the same exact thing.

[@vrtar99]

well yeah, but it's much cheaper :P

[@The1Helleri]

Dat wind...Subtitles maybe?