Diogenes: The Most Eccentric Philosopher

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@Biographics
@Biographics 5 жыл бұрын
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@matthewmckenna248
@matthewmckenna248 5 жыл бұрын
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@David-cj8wv
@David-cj8wv 5 жыл бұрын
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@gregoryanto3673
@gregoryanto3673 5 жыл бұрын
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@piratemir44 5 жыл бұрын
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@ChubbyChecker182
@ChubbyChecker182 5 жыл бұрын
Noel Edmonds.
@imperiumgraecum9126
@imperiumgraecum9126 5 жыл бұрын
Greek here, one small detail, which I see most non-greek documentaries about Diogenes fail to mention: Diogenes's exact answer to Alexander in Greek was: "Αποσκότησόν με", which literally means "un-darken me". However, that verb has both a literal and a metaphorical interpretation. Alexander, as the great king that he portraited himself, promised to give Diogenes anything that he would wish for. Upon hearing that, Diogenes requested that he "be removed from the darkness" of ignorance, aka be enlightened. Alexander, realizing that even he couldn't possibly give Diogenes any knowledge that he didn't already possess, walked away mumbling.
@bernardocoto8519
@bernardocoto8519 5 жыл бұрын
I've heard this interpretation and find it worthy of Diogenes, it's brilliant.
@3EBstudio
@3EBstudio 5 жыл бұрын
thanks to plato lol
@crazymustard7915
@crazymustard7915 5 жыл бұрын
what did he mumble?
@frenchguitarguy1091
@frenchguitarguy1091 5 жыл бұрын
I wish this kind of double meaning was possible in English
@overlookqbrick7951
@overlookqbrick7951 5 жыл бұрын
thank you for having such a grasp of both languages to share this with us.
@snakey934Snakeybakey
@snakey934Snakeybakey 4 жыл бұрын
According to Greek sources, after Alexander said: "why, If I were not Alexander, I would wish to be Diogenes" Diogenes replied: "and if I were not Diogenes, I would wish to be Diogenes"
@braindose5038
@braindose5038 4 жыл бұрын
Savage
@ramonpizarro
@ramonpizarro 4 жыл бұрын
If I was you, I'd wanna be me too
@graphospasm5394
@graphospasm5394 3 жыл бұрын
That's really interesting that Alaxander with so much ambition and greed would want to be like diogenes. They lived nearly opposite lives. I could see diogenes never wanting to be anyone else tho
@tonyar952
@tonyar952 2 жыл бұрын
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@MouseHuntExtendedDirectorsCut
@MouseHuntExtendedDirectorsCut Жыл бұрын
@@graphospasm5394 the point was that Diogenes asked something so blatantly outside of the power of Alexander that it made all of his pomp and praise seem irrelevant, what Alexander meant was that Diogenes had discovered a power beyond what any man was capable of granting. So to ask it was to demonstrate the absurdity of mankind’s arrogance. Alexander understood this and that’s the meaning of his comment.
@donaldgoodinson7550
@donaldgoodinson7550 5 жыл бұрын
Simon,you missed out the story when he was roaming the streets during daylight with a lighted lamp. When asked what he was doing he replied 'looking for an honest man
@wanderer3320
@wanderer3320 2 жыл бұрын
You missed cut out the last part of that quote. "I'm looking for honest men, so I may poop upon their floors"
@worlore1651
@worlore1651 2 жыл бұрын
the actual quote is that he was looking for a human
@1xoACEox1
@1xoACEox1 5 жыл бұрын
Its also said he used to sit at the front of Platos lectures and eat loudly.
@captainanopheles4307
@captainanopheles4307 5 жыл бұрын
And defecate at moments of ridicule.
@snoookie456
@snoookie456 5 жыл бұрын
My favorite twist on that is eating loudly at a lecture of his on self-restraint and someone took his stick away from him and started hitting him for eating loudly. Diogenes' reply to the frustrated man was something along the lines of "I'm giving you figs straight from the tree and you knock them off my hand, preferring to look at fake ones in a painting". He always found the punchline. A lot of people considered his actions just random repulsive acts of pointless provocation or as if he was just trying to appear interesting. But in every account there's an obvious lesson to be learned.
@jaymcd8577
@jaymcd8577 5 жыл бұрын
lmao
@elgordobondiola
@elgordobondiola 3 жыл бұрын
He's a the kid in class that chews food with his mouth open during a class presentation
@NecrologistALT
@NecrologistALT 3 жыл бұрын
Ancient Greek JSchlatt
@blueberrymcphuckerson9821
@blueberrymcphuckerson9821 5 жыл бұрын
00:12:38 You forgot the best part: Diogenes' response to Alexander's wish to be him. In response, Diogenes said "Yes, if I also was Alexander the Great *_I, too, would wish to be Diogenes."_*
@thejudgmentalcat
@thejudgmentalcat 5 жыл бұрын
SNAAAP!
@ClayWar237
@ClayWar237 5 жыл бұрын
_the absolute madman_
@Yaya-ni3ie
@Yaya-ni3ie 5 жыл бұрын
hahahaha what a rascal
@DeathToTheDictators
@DeathToTheDictators 5 жыл бұрын
lol He really was a brave man, considering Alexander was such a psycho he sometimes killed friends (while in a drunken rage). I'm just recently discovering the lesser known stoics like Diogenes and Epictetus and Seneca (almost EVERYONE knows Socrates and Plato), and MORE people should hear this amazing stuff. Thanks for the telling us 'the best part' lol
@MarcillaSmith
@MarcillaSmith 5 жыл бұрын
Pray excuse my nit-picking, but I heard the line (in response to Mr. the Great's, "if I were not Alexander, I would wish to be Diogenes") as, "... and if I were not Diogenes, then I would also wish to be Diogenes"
@roseredthorns
@roseredthorns 5 жыл бұрын
"in a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face" - based Diogenes
@Gabriel-se9el
@Gabriel-se9el 4 жыл бұрын
never said it, probably never thought it. Pseudo comments sound great until you realise some regular sweaty nerd came up with it in their basement bedroom.
@iwanabana
@iwanabana 4 жыл бұрын
"Never trust the legitimacy of random musings of men on the web" - Abraham Lincoln
@Gabriel-se9el
@Gabriel-se9el 4 жыл бұрын
@@iwanabana ahah tbf I wouldn't be too surprised if he actually did the guy was so ahead of his time
@Nothing_serious
@Nothing_serious 4 жыл бұрын
"Diogenes is the man" -Albert Einstein
@movietimeateds69
@movietimeateds69 4 жыл бұрын
@@iwanabana well played. I applaud you.
@willsplayify
@willsplayify 4 жыл бұрын
"you are too powerful to need me and I am too self sufficient to need you" WTH This mad man, he speaks to Alexander as an equal.
@IPA300
@IPA300 4 жыл бұрын
Was Alexander more of a man just because he could kill more than Diogenes?
@disbeafakename167
@disbeafakename167 4 жыл бұрын
@@IPA300 I'd think most people would hold building an empire above spanking it in a barrel and begging.
@jgrj52
@jgrj52 3 жыл бұрын
@@disbeafakename167 some would and others would not
@denniswachira4204
@denniswachira4204 3 жыл бұрын
He is an equal by all rights
@FlyingUnosaur
@FlyingUnosaur 3 жыл бұрын
@@denniswachira4204 which rights?
@JimLockwoodShow
@JimLockwoodShow 5 жыл бұрын
I love this philosopher. He was the troll of the ancient world
@Biographics
@Biographics 5 жыл бұрын
OG troll.
@logicalmalethink4925
@logicalmalethink4925 3 жыл бұрын
Yea no responsibilities... weak man.
@kumidodasilva6241
@kumidodasilva6241 3 жыл бұрын
MalLa 225 oh poor diogenes.. such a weak, free and happy person.. it’s so much better to be responsable, sad and stupid..
@custos3249
@custos3249 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, no. There was a counterpoint against social complacency, a purpose, in his actions. Trolls are just morons happy to inflict the wastage of their own time on other peoples'.
@kingofthehamsters
@kingofthehamsters 3 жыл бұрын
He would be disgusted or amused at your lack of understanding of the points he was making. He was holding a warped mirror to the world and its concerns that everyone accepted readily. These others here have called him weak. Yet I wonder if they could what they did, live as a homeless person in the ancient world, as a point of principle. The man was sharp enough to have lectured publicly. He could have made his way as a celebrated teacher if he had softened his stance just a little. But he didn't. He took his philosophical stance to the extreme because he truely didn't give a crap about the vanities and trifles that we, as those then, think essential. The reeking herd, the polluted flock. That's strength that these here cannot comprehend let alone copy. I certainly couldn't live like that. Homelessness is horrible enough in the modern world, back then it would have been hell.
@Daniel-kq4bx
@Daniel-kq4bx 4 жыл бұрын
Random guy: Please dont spit inside my mansion Diogenes Diogenes : Peace was never an option
@deeznuts6907
@deeznuts6907 2 жыл бұрын
When confronted with jerking in public he responded “ If only it were so easy to soothe hunger by rubbing an empty belly” dude had bars
@TexasGreed
@TexasGreed 3 ай бұрын
LOL
@beau-tiful1443
@beau-tiful1443 5 жыл бұрын
*runs in with a featherless chicken* BEHOLD A MAN!!! *Throws chicken on the ground and leaves*
@fundude6127
@fundude6127 5 жыл бұрын
Smell ya later, deliberator.
@Swolekamania
@Swolekamania 5 жыл бұрын
I came here for that comment
@Leftyotism
@Leftyotism 5 жыл бұрын
lmfao, hard not getting killed for things like that back in the day in this place i am
@NoobNoob-ss5hs
@NoobNoob-ss5hs 5 жыл бұрын
Conquer my feet. Snoot the foot.
@hazeldecker622
@hazeldecker622 5 жыл бұрын
Seems legit.
@StraboSE
@StraboSE 5 жыл бұрын
I respect anyone who spanks it in a barrel in the middle of town.
@maxsteele3686
@maxsteele3686 5 жыл бұрын
Gregory Bycraft You fool, why limit yourself to such animalistic solitude when apparently there’s hot single moms in your area?! More left for me, I guess
@mr.nolife4697
@mr.nolife4697 4 жыл бұрын
@@maxsteele3686 you sir are quite obviously the true philosopher of this video
@chicago_rocker23
@chicago_rocker23 4 жыл бұрын
Well I'm willing to bet you respect a lot more people then you may think.
@squidge7436
@squidge7436 3 жыл бұрын
Nah dude, he would even do it in the middle of the street if he had a sudden urge.
@Reblwitoutacause
@Reblwitoutacause 3 жыл бұрын
That’s what you say, until you see it irl. Everyone a philosophical gangsta til the barrel appears in the town square...
@marloyorkrodriguez9975
@marloyorkrodriguez9975 4 жыл бұрын
I remember Diogenes once reprimanding a harlot’s son when the kid spat on him, the philosopher said ‘careful now you might spat on your father’
@Caelia7
@Caelia7 2 жыл бұрын
Gosh, how old are you?!
@wanderer3320
@wanderer3320 2 жыл бұрын
I remember that Diogenes went on to poop on that kids floor
@wanderer3320
@wanderer3320 2 жыл бұрын
@@Caelia7 Old enough
@forcedtohaveahandle
@forcedtohaveahandle 2 жыл бұрын
@@Caelia7 ?
@Caelia7
@Caelia7 2 жыл бұрын
@@forcedtohaveahandle ?
@dafttool
@dafttool 5 жыл бұрын
*Homelessness is like graduate school for philosophy* 🤔
@kennethmartin8715
@kennethmartin8715 5 жыл бұрын
Then where's my PhD??
@dafttool
@dafttool 5 жыл бұрын
Kenneth Martin You don’t need to be lugging around an awkward sized piece of paper. Cast away your greedy materialism & embrace the purity of holding nothing 🤔
@AtticusDraco
@AtticusDraco 5 жыл бұрын
Ken needs to find his "Happy Graduation!" wine jar
@EclecticoIconoclasta
@EclecticoIconoclasta 5 жыл бұрын
Just don´t become a drug addict since in that situation you will be wasting your precious time in looking for money for drugs instead of on working on your philosophy
@MarcillaSmith
@MarcillaSmith 5 жыл бұрын
@@EclecticoIconoclasta Clearly you missed the "dual degree" section of the department's graduate catalog
@joniriihonen5397
@joniriihonen5397 5 жыл бұрын
I'd like to correct one thing: Diogenes was NOT a stoic. He taught his philosophy,now called cynicism, to the teacher of stoicisms founder. There is a clear relation between stoicism and cynicism, but Diogenes was not an actual stoic.
@mahdisabour4436
@mahdisabour4436 4 жыл бұрын
Yes! Thank you for your comment! I was so confused because I clearly remember reading many times "Diogenes the cynic" in different books.
@faelreklaw8837
@faelreklaw8837 4 жыл бұрын
In fact cynicism means dogism in English if I translated literally in Hellenic. Cyon κύων is dog. Don't forget they called him Diogenes The Dog Διογένης ο κύων. It's a shame that Hellenic is 30% of all Indo-European languages and some others and still people don't know the importance and history of this language. They even call the country and inhabitants the wrong name.
@siggyincr7447
@siggyincr7447 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for clarifying that. Watching the video I was a bit confused as to how he was stoic. From what I know of stoicism, he didn't seem to fit the bill.
@starrattmaster
@starrattmaster 3 жыл бұрын
@@faelreklaw8837 and Greeks probably also call all countries around the world the wrong name. It’s not unusual, and especially doesn’t merit having a chip on your shoulder about it.
@jmolvin9055
@jmolvin9055 2 жыл бұрын
Hmm yeah from what I heard of him he acted with incredible stoicism by not "freaking out" under stressful circumstances like most individuals would.
@Yggi11
@Yggi11 4 жыл бұрын
"He remained single by choice..." I don't think this guy was exactly tripping over women, anyway.
@awonoto
@awonoto 3 жыл бұрын
“He remained single by lack of choice” would be an equally valid statement.
@flavio7180
@flavio7180 3 жыл бұрын
By choice? Doesn’t that make him gay?
@arpitthakur45
@arpitthakur45 3 жыл бұрын
@@flavio7180 he could have dated men you see.... gays have a choice of being single too...even if he was...
@flavio7180
@flavio7180 3 жыл бұрын
@@arpitthakur45 I’m only kidding. Check out “Hilarious Ugandan interview” and you’ll see where I took the joke.
@Mikeanglo
@Mikeanglo 3 жыл бұрын
He chose the life he lived, so who is to say that he wouldn't have been drowning in pussy if he had chose to live like everyone else. Technically still his choice to live that way.
@pauls9331
@pauls9331 5 жыл бұрын
Diogenes roasted Plato with that that chicken gag.
@gvaron2391
@gvaron2391 5 жыл бұрын
He also shat himself during lectures, so he could ruin them
@nikolai9520
@nikolai9520 5 жыл бұрын
@@gvaron2391 really?! What was the source for those events?
@alancat2705
@alancat2705 4 жыл бұрын
in which Plato probably roasted the chicken in revenge .....finger lickin good !.
@bobblybob4351
@bobblybob4351 4 жыл бұрын
does anyone wonder if he had schizophrenia and also ptsd after being in jail?
@nietzschesghost8529
@nietzschesghost8529 4 жыл бұрын
He would've been better off roasting the chicken.
@Wi-Fi-El
@Wi-Fi-El 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine if diogenes existed today. I'd give it a half hour before he got himself arrested
@paradoxpanda1756
@paradoxpanda1756 2 жыл бұрын
Tried for insanity too lol 😂
@worlore1651
@worlore1651 2 жыл бұрын
doesnt wear a mask then is executed
@joelstephenson8017
@joelstephenson8017 2 жыл бұрын
Frrr
@VashTheDamnFiend
@VashTheDamnFiend 2 жыл бұрын
He’d be one of the groomer lgbt teachers
@paulyricca3881
@paulyricca3881 2 жыл бұрын
👱🏻‍♂️I LIVE IN A CAN AND I LOVE ❤️ DOGS 🐕 2!
@Frosty-yy7oq
@Frosty-yy7oq 3 жыл бұрын
My favorite quote of his was said when we was rummaging through bones. Alexander asked him what he was doing and he replied: "I am searching for the bones of your father but cannot distinguish them from those of a slave."
@joshuamonroe8968
@joshuamonroe8968 5 жыл бұрын
Diogenes also found a woman bowing to a statue of a God to which he replied, "Are you not afraid good woman, with the gods being omnipresent, that by attempting to show your virtue, you are in fact showing your arse?" He has also been quoted as saying "Blushing is the color of virtue." (Probably said after the woman became embarrassed at what he had just pointed out.)
@anthonyp3113
@anthonyp3113 4 жыл бұрын
@@thelvadam5269 right...
@saeedvazirian
@saeedvazirian 4 жыл бұрын
Yes he said arse in an East London accent.
@gumunduringigumundsson9344
@gumunduringigumundsson9344 4 жыл бұрын
Is mooning perhaps in fact the right way round?
@gumunduringigumundsson9344
@gumunduringigumundsson9344 4 жыл бұрын
If I would make people it would be funny if they mooned me hahaha. I'd be prouder if anything.
@loopseeker
@loopseeker 4 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@karlamay_
@karlamay_ 4 жыл бұрын
I could only imagine Diogenes replying to Alexander: "If I was you, I wanna be me too..."
@mrnubbones8626
@mrnubbones8626 2 жыл бұрын
He kinda did
@edstirling
@edstirling 5 жыл бұрын
diogenes sounds like a character will ferrell should be playing in his next movie.
@DMitr0
@DMitr0 5 жыл бұрын
in bill & ted 3
@maxsteele3686
@maxsteele3686 5 жыл бұрын
I actually imagine Danny McBride playing this role perfectly
@benb3316
@benb3316 5 жыл бұрын
Really good one. Note also there's a story about Alexander (Iskander in the East) and how he decided not to go further into India. Besides his army ready to mutiny on him and all that. He met a Brahman on asking for an area's leader to conquer/bribe/threaten him. Found a nearly naked old man with a bowl under a tree. Though more polite he reminded him much of Diogenes. Nothing he could offer or threaten him with so he left.
@roysmith5711
@roysmith5711 4 жыл бұрын
The man had said to Alexander, "Alexander, you are being a nuisance to yourself and everyone around you"
@thatoneneeko2131
@thatoneneeko2131 2 жыл бұрын
Ghandi's prototype
@ignitionfrn2223
@ignitionfrn2223 3 жыл бұрын
0:50 - Chapter 1 - Beginnings 2:15 - Chapter 2 - Exile 3:25 - Chapter 3 - Citizen of the world 7:10 - Chapter 4 - Writings 9:25 - Mid roll ads 10:40 - Chapter 5 - Taken captive 13:40 - Chapter 6 - Self mastery 14:35 - Chapter 7 - Diogenes vs plato
@bellamckinnon8655
@bellamckinnon8655 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@boomika9987
@boomika9987 2 жыл бұрын
People like you are s gift to humanity.
@dorianphilotheates3769
@dorianphilotheates3769 5 жыл бұрын
The standard of a culture’s greatness is indicated by the degree to which it respects its bums...
@mohit5496
@mohit5496 4 жыл бұрын
so true
@Constantine_IA
@Constantine_IA 5 жыл бұрын
Diogenes the first Jedi master
@chickitychina6784
@chickitychina6784 2 жыл бұрын
“Why is the man, who calls me a dog, surprised when I piss on him?” - Diogenes of Sinope
@Fro00ot0
@Fro00ot0 5 жыл бұрын
I kind of want to see a sitcom with Alexander the Great and Diogenes
@funkk
@funkk 5 жыл бұрын
I'm picturing an ancient Kramer as Diogenes...
@islandboy9381
@islandboy9381 5 жыл бұрын
nah fam diogenes trolling plato all the time is way better material
@camilohiche4475
@camilohiche4475 4 жыл бұрын
And Plato. And a chicken.
@wanderer3320
@wanderer3320 2 жыл бұрын
Diogenes would poop on the floor of the set
@joshuacaithness678
@joshuacaithness678 Жыл бұрын
I'm thinking Robert Downey Jr as Diogenes?
@__prometheus__
@__prometheus__ 5 жыл бұрын
Diogenes the Unroastable
@mikepuppetz9
@mikepuppetz9 5 жыл бұрын
Diogenes would've been in heaven if 4chan existed in his time.
@islandboy9381
@islandboy9381 5 жыл бұрын
he would've considered even 4chan too conformist and too materialist in terms of social community
@coe8159
@coe8159 4 жыл бұрын
He’s definitely in heaven if heaven exists.
@makutas-v261
@makutas-v261 3 жыл бұрын
@@islandboy9381 And too full of self serving psychological complexes, self-validations, self-justification and irrational anger towards whatever fictional character they don't like at the moment.
@writeordie5452
@writeordie5452 2 жыл бұрын
Please, people on 4chan are degenerates, not dogs.
@VashTheDamnFiend
@VashTheDamnFiend 2 жыл бұрын
@@islandboy9381 he would’ve been a lolcow idk why people think he was so great troll when he was deadass serious about his insane beliefs
@joeplumley3238
@joeplumley3238 5 жыл бұрын
This dude would be called a bum nowadays.
@gordonlawrence4749
@gordonlawrence4749 5 жыл бұрын
Either that or more bonkers than a box of frogs. Not that the two are mutually exclusive.
@2Dmensions
@2Dmensions 5 жыл бұрын
Seems like he was called a bum back then as well. Just depends on how you interpret his philosophy.
@calebchristensen900
@calebchristensen900 5 жыл бұрын
Nah this dude would be way to funny. Someone would offer him a stage. He’d still be like hose actors that live in studios but have millions of dollars.
@-haclong2366
@-haclong2366 5 жыл бұрын
He was a bum two and a half thousand years ago too.
@fastinradfordable
@fastinradfordable 5 жыл бұрын
nowadays, I call him my hero
@MrEricleblanc26
@MrEricleblanc26 5 жыл бұрын
He's the dude of ancient greece.
@rednarok
@rednarok 4 жыл бұрын
@Andrew Brent most likely since drugs were legal before the catholic church came.
@KenMabie
@KenMabie 4 жыл бұрын
@@rednarok umm drugs were legal after the Catholic Church came too Cannabis wasn't made illegal in America until the 1930s ... There's many reports of Queen Victoria eating hash laced candies for her period cramps... And opium dens were on every street corner during the wild west days... How stupid are you to think the Catholic Church is what outlawed drugs...
@KenMabie
@KenMabie 4 жыл бұрын
@Andrew Brent most likely no since Cannabis ... The Indian hemp plant wouldn't have made its way to Greece by that time .. but then again maybe it did ... Any instances of Greek hemp cloth? Also obligatory Mel Brooks reference ... "ROMAN RED!"
@rednarok
@rednarok 4 жыл бұрын
@@KenMabie so, in Rome, before the Christian religion took hold there used to be mass gatherings where intelligent people would use drugs with similar effects as LSD.
@rednarok
@rednarok 2 жыл бұрын
@@KenMabie as stupid as all the romans who outlawed drugs for the church.
@gailcbull
@gailcbull 5 жыл бұрын
Diogenes would have loved social media. It's taken his idea of "any act that you do in private, you should in public" to whole new exhibitionist levels.
@dlcsucks2019
@dlcsucks2019 Жыл бұрын
He would never use internet
@inhumanassassin6302
@inhumanassassin6302 4 жыл бұрын
If Diogenes had a smartphone and internet; he would have made memes, the likes of which this world has never seen before!
@fructosecornsyrup5759
@fructosecornsyrup5759 3 жыл бұрын
More likely he'd find them frivolous and not buy them in the first place lol
@raymondduplessis3491
@raymondduplessis3491 3 жыл бұрын
He was reincarnated as Doug Stanhope and George Carlin
@wanderer3320
@wanderer3320 2 жыл бұрын
He would use his newly obtained smart phone to track you down and poop on your floor
@Nostalgicus
@Nostalgicus Жыл бұрын
@@fructosecornsyrup5759 👌
@dlcsucks2019
@dlcsucks2019 Жыл бұрын
He would never use either smartphone or internet
@snoookie456
@snoookie456 5 жыл бұрын
Rarely I find proper content on my favorite philosopher. Thanks for doing your research and formulating this video in such a way, it's a breath of fresh air to see a serious take on the subjects I'm most interested in.
@nikolai9520
@nikolai9520 5 жыл бұрын
This synopsis only skims certain anecdotes and doesn't apply much thought to what his philosophy strived for. Quite a bit has been left out. In 2012, I came across a very rare account on how disciplined he was when it came to his sexual appetites. Also there are two stories from Aesop, one that shows him displaying a favouritism in his treatment others. Upon first reading, it seems that he condescending for being ignored when he was about give thanks for help. Yet the moral is that supplying kindness to others should not be offered whimsically. Personally, this last account can be seen as having influenced some Stoics' position on ethics.
@snoookie456
@snoookie456 5 жыл бұрын
@@nikolai9520 Well every account leaves out a lot of the info (at least a lot of the info I've managed to find on Diogenes), even though there isn't much info on him at all. But this one at least deals with respect to its subject, anything else on youtube is just a travesty. But, aside from the fact that I haven't read what you found out in 2012, what I really strive for is people understanding that when it comes to Diogenes, every story had its meaning. I've had too many people to talk to about this who think Diogenes was just seeking attention. Even if he was, which is not something you can ever prove anyway, every anecdote served a purpose, every provocation had a meaning to it. Sadly, most of it gets lost on translation and interpretation. It's hard to separate fact from fiction and there are a lot of treasures that are missed when it comes to Diogenes, specifically the ones you have to dig through etymology for to find real context. But given the fact that this can't be done in a 2 hour presentation (trust me, I've tried), let alone 10-20 minutes of youtube video, I could settle for just being respectful to your source material. Which this guy is.
@nikolai9520
@nikolai9520 5 жыл бұрын
@@snoookie456 Any material that offers educational insight, be it KZbin or otherwise, should be a bit more thorough in what it presents. I have studied enough of the Hellenistic period to make comments that are substantive and worth probing, so I question and often challenge information pertaining to a thinker I respect and has been greatly misinterpreted by many people. If this posting is a resource, it only offers a general overview with some questionable and incomplete interpretations. My comments serve to steer those who care about the subject matter to the source material or discussions on the topic of cynical philosophy for the sake of an accurate understanding. Of course, each story or anecdote can be taken on its own, but since philosophers tend to be consistent in thought and personal objectives, it is not too difficult to connect Diogenes' perspectives with other things he does and says. In no way shape or form would I admit that I fully understand him or appreciate all that he has done, but studying philosophy consists in being open minded to what's presented. Some of his anecdotes are intentionally ambiguous, so it becomes an exercise in trying to get into his mindset. Even if Diogenes is a fictional character, there is still reason to examine and learn from what's been said. Consider Aesop's fables, Plato's allegories, and other philosophical tropes; there are lessons for continual rumination. If you care to read what I came across in 2012, it can be found in "Diogenes the Cynic: Sayings and Anecdotes with Other Popular Moralists" published by Oxford University Press. It is a combination of what is in Diogenes Laertius' Lives of eminent philosophers, but it is the odd passage from Stobaeus, Aelian, Gnomologium Vaticanum, and others that makes this collection most helpful for anyone conducting academic research at any level.
@dlcsucks2019
@dlcsucks2019 Жыл бұрын
You need to learn to search better
@controversialgaming1364
@controversialgaming1364 4 жыл бұрын
Funny how his ideas on living life is so relevant in these days
@bretcaron
@bretcaron 5 жыл бұрын
Spiritual ancestor of Andy Kaufman and every troll. Bravo to Diogenes and to the balls to do it without anonymity.
@philthy122
@philthy122 5 жыл бұрын
There was a woman in my home town when I was a kid who was very much like Diogenes...except she use to scream at traffic and as far as I remember she only shat in public once.
@wanderer3320
@wanderer3320 2 жыл бұрын
Every age has it's own Diogenes
@worlore1651
@worlore1651 2 жыл бұрын
PCP
@Thurgoodlucas
@Thurgoodlucas 5 жыл бұрын
I literally just heard about this man from a post on IG and lemme tell you...i can't hate the man
@loneronin6813
@loneronin6813 5 жыл бұрын
If there's one thing I have to respect about him, it was his wicked whit and his sheer absence of fear, even when dismissing Alexander the Great himself. Based on those quotes, it seems to me that he wasn't one to respect someone by their rank in society, but their merits as individuals. I'm probably completely off-base, but it seems to me that's what he was eluding to. :)
@M12GProductions
@M12GProductions 4 жыл бұрын
What post?
@EuphoricTincture
@EuphoricTincture 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for covering Diogenes of Sinope. One of the best books I've read on him is "Diogenes the Cynic: War Against the World" by Luis E. Navia.
@wanderer3320
@wanderer3320 2 жыл бұрын
I prefer "That time when Diogenes wage war on the world by pooping all over floors"
@farticlesofconflatulation
@farticlesofconflatulation 5 жыл бұрын
The patron saint of “keeping it real”
@b.e.nbairesenglishnatives7020
@b.e.nbairesenglishnatives7020 5 жыл бұрын
Simón, I'm one of those silent listeners who truly enjoy your videos. Today I clicked the like button and subscribed. Best to you.
@giulioaprati338
@giulioaprati338 5 жыл бұрын
Who saw it on Sam O'Nella before coming here?
@owencapdeville-davis8299
@owencapdeville-davis8299 5 жыл бұрын
eodred di acquaneve hell ye
@frederickthegreatpodcast382
@frederickthegreatpodcast382 5 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah I did!
@MrLuchenkov
@MrLuchenkov 5 жыл бұрын
A man of culture, I see.
@iainballas
@iainballas 5 жыл бұрын
Probably alot of overlap, mostly smart people watch these :3
@pestilenceplague4765
@pestilenceplague4765 5 жыл бұрын
I was expecting this comment.
@williamthefloridano
@williamthefloridano 4 жыл бұрын
If I weren’t Diogenes, I would also want to be Diogenes.
@captainanopheles4307
@captainanopheles4307 5 жыл бұрын
"if I was not Alexander, I would hope to be Diogenes." "if I was not Diogenes, I would hope to be Diogenes.' Also , could the mysterious word 'dog', that appears to spring from nowhere, come from Diogenes?
@nikolai9520
@nikolai9520 5 жыл бұрын
Diogenes specifically refers to two breeds of dogs, Molossia and Maltese. The former had a reputation as a hunting dog whereas the latter hunted as well but without being widely known. Diogenes describes himself as being like these dogs, which seem to have tough dispositions.
@nemodaremo9524
@nemodaremo9524 4 жыл бұрын
Diogenes' ghost watching us on computers in heated homes
@matthewmckenna248
@matthewmckenna248 5 жыл бұрын
Could you cover Otto Skorzney? He was a fascinating character.
@alexandrosgaitanas9148
@alexandrosgaitanas9148 5 жыл бұрын
his answer to Alexander was..."get me out of darkness"...
@haggardkicks
@haggardkicks 5 жыл бұрын
OMG!!! thanks !!!! i wanted to learn more about this guy for the longest time. but the best way i like to learn this type of stuff is passively while i do other things. or when im just sitting around wanting to watch a documentary. but there is none of this guy, they always focus on the other big players. but then again, i dont look that hard.
@luchermans6512
@luchermans6512 4 жыл бұрын
"Ruling over men." Not the answer they expected.
@tracik1277
@tracik1277 5 жыл бұрын
‘He held his breath til he expired’ what an inspiration lol, cheers!
@dragonfangalexander
@dragonfangalexander 5 жыл бұрын
In my country, philosophy in highschool doesn't touch on diogenes (nor cinism or stoicism). I introduce my students everytime i began class, right after i finish with the greek trinity. And is always one of the better more enlightened classes, specially when it reaches the dialogues between him and Alexander.
@jamesclark1736
@jamesclark1736 5 жыл бұрын
What country has philosophy in high school?
@JC-xi3rm
@JC-xi3rm 4 жыл бұрын
Where do you get your sources?
@hyperspacejester7377
@hyperspacejester7377 Жыл бұрын
I wonder why stoicism and cynicism would be left out of the modern curriculum!? 🤔
@highlandoutsider
@highlandoutsider 5 жыл бұрын
I'd never heard of this guy, but he's firmly embedded in my list of Historys Top Ballers
@kaekuda
@kaekuda Жыл бұрын
Diogenes is my favorite philosopher, quite literally the definition of LIVING LIFE
@tuts351
@tuts351 5 жыл бұрын
I have been waiting for this for such a long time.
@DerpyLaron
@DerpyLaron 5 ай бұрын
You know fact boi, I enjoy the fact that I can look up a random person, event or similar and find a video where you explain it. Keep up the good work.
@williamgreenway1785
@williamgreenway1785 3 жыл бұрын
Love how Diogenes constantly insulted and trolled Alexander the Great
@debbiemarquis3231
@debbiemarquis3231 5 жыл бұрын
It should be titled "..the king of vagrancy"
@connoroverall580
@connoroverall580 4 жыл бұрын
Vagrantenes......philosopher of the public parks and busy streets.
@philippvoid1800
@philippvoid1800 5 жыл бұрын
i cant believe it.. a biography about my idol! for real. i am greek and grew up in athens. ancient philosophers were always my inspiration. living in thrash to become enlightened, lol
@pranit2784
@pranit2784 5 жыл бұрын
Watch sam o nells video
@vectorfox4782
@vectorfox4782 2 жыл бұрын
I thoroughly enjoy the interaction between Diogenes and Alexander.
@Florin_Dark
@Florin_Dark 5 жыл бұрын
If I learned one thing in this video it's the fact that only a 100% self sufficent Philosopher can be a true Philosopher, that is not corruptet in any way.
@wanderer3320
@wanderer3320 2 жыл бұрын
You messed up the quote, only a 100% self sufficing philosophers can poop on public floors
@jt______
@jt______ 5 жыл бұрын
Diogenes, the original "I'm a simple man"
@shaolindreams
@shaolindreams 4 жыл бұрын
The first hippy
@LungsOutJem
@LungsOutJem 5 жыл бұрын
Dude was so close to figuring out Buddhism. 🧘‍♂️
@LoudPaintings
@LoudPaintings 5 жыл бұрын
J. C. Seems like he did
@davyroger3773
@davyroger3773 4 жыл бұрын
Stoicism and Buddhism are pretty similar in a lot of ways
@Ruby321123
@Ruby321123 4 жыл бұрын
@Andrew Brent I very much agree.
@VulpesFidelis
@VulpesFidelis 4 жыл бұрын
I saw a lot of Eastern ascetic paths in his stuff, too.
@awonoto
@awonoto 3 жыл бұрын
Probably close to Zhuangzi.
@epicmage82
@epicmage82 Жыл бұрын
Apparently I had an ancient hero, and never knew it. Even having similar views. I'm going to love doing a deep dive on him. ❤️
@depurodinerohomie5006
@depurodinerohomie5006 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like diogenes everytime i have to go get a job.
@VVEmil
@VVEmil 5 жыл бұрын
The absolute madlad!
@Ian-zg7he
@Ian-zg7he 5 жыл бұрын
Saw a vid on this by Sam O'nella already sadly, but your video still has merit considering it's his entire life as opposed to Sam's telling of humorous anecdotes.
@hearinggonebeethoven5787
@hearinggonebeethoven5787 5 жыл бұрын
Sam O'nella's Animation though. 😂
@catharinepizzarello4784
@catharinepizzarello4784 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! This is probably how all beliefs develop in a healthy way. The open debate of Stoicism strengthens critical thinking. Very important in the tidal wave of information. Sort it out and use the inspiration and learning. Thank you so much, Simon!
@jtrlatinist2227
@jtrlatinist2227 5 жыл бұрын
Love this philosophy videos. Can you please do unknown philosophers. Also, would you do some Catholic philosophers and theologians like Thomas Aquinas? Thanks for watching your stuff for years. I'm also subscribed every channel you got!
@catholiccrusader5328
@catholiccrusader5328 5 жыл бұрын
Great idea one on the angelic doctor.
@bellamckinnon8655
@bellamckinnon8655 2 жыл бұрын
From Ignition [FR] n2 10 months ago (edited) 0:50 - Chapter 1 - Beginnings 2:15 - Chapter 2 - Exile 3:25 - Chapter 3 - Citizen of the world 7:10 - Chapter 4 - Writings 9:25 - Mid roll ads 10:40 - Chapter 5 - Taken captive 13:40 - Chapter 6 - Self mastery 14:35 - Chapter 7 - Diogenes vs plato
@hydrichleclerc3268
@hydrichleclerc3268 5 жыл бұрын
My favorite badass philosopher. ...if there's a modern version (that's weird) to his philosophy it would be minimalism(?) i guess,
@Powersnufkin
@Powersnufkin 5 жыл бұрын
The term you are looking for is classical cynisism. enjoy the reading.
@employee962
@employee962 4 жыл бұрын
Anprim innit
@ItsameAlex
@ItsameAlex 3 жыл бұрын
Russell Brand
@richardj.magoma7804
@richardj.magoma7804 2 жыл бұрын
What do you think of essentialism.
@ohno5880
@ohno5880 4 жыл бұрын
He is reported to have said after Alexander claimed he would want to be diogenes if he weren't Alexander that "If I were not Diogenes I would wish to be Diogenes". He was also reported to have walked around with a lantern. When asked what he was doing he proclaimed that he was searching for an honest man (hence the latern). Another story is that Alexander came upon him examining a pile of bones. When he asked what he was doing he said he was searching for Alexander's father's skeleton, but could not distinguish it from a Slave's. When asked how he should be buried he said to throw him to the wild animals, when questioned whether he minded this he said "not at all, as long as you give me a stick to defend myself!" When it was pointed out that he would lack awareness to do this he answered "if I lack awareness why should I care what happens to me?"
@PokemonRedSox
@PokemonRedSox 5 жыл бұрын
Not including Nick Cage, this is honestly my favourite person from history
@EclecticoIconoclasta
@EclecticoIconoclasta 5 жыл бұрын
They should do a movie about his life and put Nick Cage as Diogenes
@bigfenix8272
@bigfenix8272 3 жыл бұрын
Bill Murray would make a good Diogenes
@johnpaulmcdonnell1188
@johnpaulmcdonnell1188 3 жыл бұрын
Who is Nick Cage?
@DigitalSolstice
@DigitalSolstice 5 жыл бұрын
BEHOLD A MAN
@jaymcd8577
@jaymcd8577 5 жыл бұрын
Perhaps the most Eccentric, and my fav of the ancient philosophers
@skorzalonsdale4426
@skorzalonsdale4426 7 ай бұрын
It’s a lot easier to be a carefree, possession free, wandering philosopher in balmy Greece that most other places. Not saying he wasn’t special, but if he was from anywhere north of Greece he’d have died in his first winter. I’m sure his argument would be “if you’re cold, walk south, what better do you have to do?” but to my knowledge he never acknowledged the intrinsic benefit that he gained above others purely from his location.
@SuperGreatSphinx
@SuperGreatSphinx 2 ай бұрын
Winter Is Coming
@DavidSmith-ef4eh
@DavidSmith-ef4eh 5 жыл бұрын
I see Diogenes, I click.
@maerree3664
@maerree3664 3 жыл бұрын
**People cramming about the upcoming war** Diogenes: **Rolling in his wine barrel**
@francislong5114
@francislong5114 5 жыл бұрын
I was allways thinking what happened to Greece.. Now I know.. thank you.. I did learn of him before, never knew he had so a place in culture..
@LALESPETROS
@LALESPETROS 2 жыл бұрын
The version I know as a Greek person is that when Alexander asked Diogenes what he desires so that he could give it to him. Diogenes replied: "Don't take away from me that which you cannot give me!" Meaning the sun
@lordnul1708
@lordnul1708 3 жыл бұрын
He is my favorite of the ancient philosophers. For more modern ones, it's a tie between Crowley and Nietzsche.
@richardj.magoma7804
@richardj.magoma7804 2 жыл бұрын
Crowley who?
@Vikn01
@Vikn01 Жыл бұрын
​@@richardj.magoma7804 maybe Aleistar Crowley?
@andrewcanady6644
@andrewcanady6644 10 ай бұрын
To you, what makes the modern ones you’ve named stand out?
@lordnul1708
@lordnul1708 10 ай бұрын
@@andrewcanady6644 Alister Crowley, when you look at his work (especially the Liber Oz), it's clear that his philosophy centers around free will. Nietzsche on the other hand, had his history stand out to me more than his writing. That and the fact that he openly referred to Plato as a bore.
@andrewcanady6644
@andrewcanady6644 10 ай бұрын
@@lordnul1708 Copy that. Interesting thanks for taking a moment for me today. 🤙🏽
@nmarrs8539
@nmarrs8539 Жыл бұрын
My man knew the value in not being tied down material things.
@anthonysilva5268
@anthonysilva5268 5 жыл бұрын
Diogenes was a Cynic, not a Stoic. Cynic means dog-like in English.
@anthonysilva5268
@anthonysilva5268 5 жыл бұрын
​@ItIsItIsntIt , you're a moron. Stoicism and Cynicism are 2 completely different philosophical schools, ones which are largely at odds with each other . You're using the descriptive definition of a person who lived up to the stoic ideals as if that could make a cynic a stoic. By that logic, there were Sceptics, Platonists, Aristotelians, and Pythagoreans, who were Stoics - with a capital S - and there arecurrently Capitalists, Communists, Objectivists, Neo-Nazis, and Born Again Christians who are also Stoics with a capital S. 30 seconds on Google would be enough to tell you the first part. So you are not only stupid, you are also lazy. Start by studying basic grammar - i. e., a cat is a cat and not a tree, a Cynic is a Cynic and not a Stoic - and leave philosophy to people who are already capable of distinguishing between nouns and verbs.
@seancassidy4812
@seancassidy4812 5 жыл бұрын
@@anthonysilva5268 hiya Anthony. What do you call someone who doesn't know philosophy but tries and would like to know? What do you call someone who insults the mind of someone, who through lack of knowledge, mixes up Stoicism and Cynicism? Personally, I'd much rather be a moron, than an educated arsehole.
@VulpesFidelis
@VulpesFidelis 4 жыл бұрын
@@seancassidy4812 @Anthony Silva And Diogenes would just tell you both to go poop in the public square, as it's more important than this argument. 💩😁
@elendal
@elendal 5 жыл бұрын
You are one of the best content creator on KZbin. Thank you.
@busnello1987
@busnello1987 5 жыл бұрын
Diógenes is probably my favorite greek philosofer.
@robertellison4691
@robertellison4691 5 жыл бұрын
Don't you mean filosofer?
@scottishcatdad993
@scottishcatdad993 5 жыл бұрын
Finally, my favorite video! You are awesome!
@rochaleandro747
@rochaleandro747 5 жыл бұрын
"That's me, mom! That's me!" However, no account of his searching about with the lantern (for an honest man) was given, wasn't it? Apart from living in a cask, that's what most people know about him, if ever.
@RyanAndTomMaps
@RyanAndTomMaps 4 жыл бұрын
Hey they Biographics! I love your channel, and the accuracy In which you deliver it. I understand with the vast amount of content you create, there are bound to be some inaccuracies. I wanted to point out that Diogenes was not a Stoic. He is accredited to founding the Cynics, though never officially. The Stoic Philosophy was founded by Zeno of Citium; Whom took to philosophy following the loss of his ship and fortune. He lived from ~334 BC-262 BC, and founded the stoic school in 300 BC. Diogenes lived from ~412 BC-323 BC. So not much of their lives overlapped, and Zeno was far from his philosophical life during such time. While Zeno borrowed heavily from Diogenes; There were some stark differences in their respective philosophies. While on the topic of Stoicism.... You should do a video on Marcus Aurelius!
@nemodaremo9524
@nemodaremo9524 4 жыл бұрын
When he said deface the currency, i thought it would be like de-face-ation
@SheepsMcgill
@SheepsMcgill Жыл бұрын
Imagine having the balls to behave so casually around Alexander not only once but several times
@maxtew6521
@maxtew6521 5 жыл бұрын
This guy was so punk rock.
@TheGryfonclaw
@TheGryfonclaw 2 жыл бұрын
"Let's talk about that time when Diogenes had a run-in with some pirates..." Me: "I feel sorry for the pirates."
@joaofilipe8497
@joaofilipe8497 5 жыл бұрын
Favourite one so far. Didn’t know who he was however it was very interesting
@psfp_2858
@psfp_2858 Ай бұрын
Once diogenes was begging from a statue a person asked why are you begging from a statue he simply replied so i can get used to rejection 😂
@JamesThomas-pj2lx
@JamesThomas-pj2lx 5 жыл бұрын
and, they open my fridge and eat $40 in groceries while I was watch this excellent video.
@RealmRabbit
@RealmRabbit 5 жыл бұрын
I think I heard that after Alexander said that if he weren't Alexander he'd wish to be Diogenes, Diogenes responded that if he weren't Diogenes, he'd also wish to be Diogenes... There's also the one where Alexander supposedly sees him and asks what he is doing and Diogenes tells him that he is looking for the bones of Alexander's father, but can't tell them apart from the bones of any other men...
@finalascent
@finalascent 3 ай бұрын
I read that when he was exiled he replied, "yes, you've kicked me out, but you have to remain here"
@bernardocoto8519
@bernardocoto8519 5 жыл бұрын
My all time favorite philosopher, he was the first badass punk. I've always found Plato and Aristotle too pompous...
@chicago_rocker23
@chicago_rocker23 4 жыл бұрын
Most ppl agree the first punk was jesus.
@hyperspacejester7377
@hyperspacejester7377 Жыл бұрын
@@chicago_rocker23 when did you conduct that survey? 😆
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