Directors Roundtable: Todd Phillips, Martin Scorsese, Greta Gerwig, Noah Baumbach | Close Up

[@shandoticwa]

the best part of this roundtable is steven galloway not interrupting the panel

[@ToTheMax1149]

shravan singh so grateful he hardly talked in this one

[@primark07]

Wait he really doesn't interrupt?

[@shandoticwa]

@@primark07 yes, you can watch the whole thing without being annoyed.

[@primark07]

@@shandoticwa HALLELUJAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@gethaunted]

he's gotten a lot better

[@HEARD201]

Scorsese is like everyone’s grandfather here. It’s so charming

[@seif7354]

And todd looks like everyone's grandson

[@thegreatrainman2336]

He is a legend most these director's uped their game by watching his movies Todd especially owes him his entire Joker movie . It's great to watch the greats amongst their students.

[@BlizzyFoxTF]

Todd Philips copied his formula for Joker. He looks up to him as an idol.

[@workman88]

He's the mans man.

[@temudgin62]

The man made two of the best films of all time. Taxi Driver and Raging Bull are on all the top lists of everyone who cares about film as an art form. Having said that, Fernando Meirelles also made one of the best films of all time, with City of God. And I don't use the word "best" lightly. These three films are among a handful of films made in the last 50 years or so that can stand alongside the works of Hitchcock, Kurosawa, Ozu, Welles, Truffaut, Ford, etc. Baumbach is one of the best directors of his generation, but I don't think any of his movies are even in the top 100. That's how important Scorsese is to film. Just my opinion.

[@texanfan200]

I don’t understand how Scorsese and De Niro couldn’t get financing for a film. But stuff like Cats gets greenlit

[@fembot521]

texanfan200 Because everyone is sick of Scorsese films and at $159 million to make, who would take that risk?

[@AW-rz2jn]

@@Ryaninsanity Look, I love Scorcese. But, $159 million? Probably $200 million with promotion. Would need like $400 million+ to break even. A film like The Wolf of Wall Street, which was commercial, trendy, and fast paced didn't even come close. There is no way the studio wouldnt lose $100 million+ with a film like The Irishman. Netflix said go ahead and take all the money you want. No risk of a "disaster" for Netflix because there is no box-office and Scorcese could do whatever he wanted.

[@maxigol1977]

@@AW-rz2jn I hate to agree with you. Had The Irishman made a traditional making and run, it would have bombed. I don't know one person aside myself that watched the movie in theaters. And those who are watching it on Netflix can't get through the first 30 minutes.

[@poolgoldworldwild2163]

money laundering is part of the answer, I think

[@mariodebuck1760]

@@fembot521 you don't know shit

[@misMEGAVIDEOS]

Every single one of them looks like their films

[@hschenck3394]

Lol

[@Sighbot]

Lol

[@nihaalsandim9986]

Except todd philips where in joker he basically ripped off taxi driver with clown makeup

[@steben8043]

LOL

[@GellertTV]

@@nihaalsandim9986 "ripped off" You're stupid ? I think so

[@AshtonGleckman]

I want someone to look at me the way Todd Phillips looks at Scorsese the whole time

[@wirno2559]

@@Christian_from_Copenhagen take inspiration from you mean, and Todd is just a Martin fanboy that's it

[@frostbitepokin9520]

Christian from Copenhagen copy to what extend?

[@frostbitepokin9520]

Christian from Copenhagen neither king of comedy nor taxi driver ends with someone going on tv and killing the host. I don’t believe those 2 movies had a failed Comedian that has an abusive mother, I dont remember the characters having an illness where they can’t control their laughter. And I don’t remember the main character getting beat down by the people around him physically and mentally to the point where he goes insane in any of the 2 movies you mentioned

[@frostbitepokin9520]

Christian from Copenhagen the ending of taxi driver is so different from joker, just because violence occur doesn’t mean it’s the same. And Travis is a vigilante unlike joker/Arthur. I don’t think Arthur did what he did to get attention

[@anuragmalpani6270]

@@frostbitepokin9520 yes probably he's hurting that joker went on to become such a massive success. Joker written was brilliant and especially because of Joaquin Phoenix..

[@mustsilm]

Tarantino is under the table

[@Hussain_Zaki]

He'll flip the table and shoot everybody in a 20 minute long end-scene

[@enricomiceli8704]

Underrated

[@bissa6889]

Where he belongs!

[@squatin4479]

prob just wasn't available

[@duartevgc2114]

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@zezaa98]

Scorsese is so involved in the conversation, it's endearing

[@allenjames4808]

greenapplepear Exactly, we would be expecting him to fall asleep, yet there he is. But all jokes aside, he is one of the most prolific directors and lovers of world cinema. He’s done a lot outside of his own filmography to bring awareness to impactful cinema from around the world. His involvement in the conversation stems from his enormous appreciation of cinema, of which I doubt any of the others at the table can match.

[@non-binaryeugene733]

greenapplepear You stay active and interested in something thats how you end up like that when you’re old most people tend to give up on life early and wither away.

[@geoghoul]

Old people always have a lot to say

[@ArcaneStar1]

he is an annoying old prick who is completely overrated and doesnt know how to converse properly.

[@wiseonwords]

zeza - "it's endearing". How bloody patronising! He's made more great films than all of the other panelists put together - of course, he's going to be involved in the conversation! FFS!

[@arunimatiwari6910]

Lulu Wang really ended up surprising me in this interview. During the discussion about streaming platforms, she challenged the popular opinion and stood up for what she felt, and explained her perspective so calmly and rationally that even Scorsese saw where she came from. As the discussion went on, I could see her earn the admiration of Marty and the others. She has got a stan in me lol.

[@jib1823]

The story she told at the end really encapsulates what the big studios are in the way that they don't do the projects for the story they want to tell as much as for the market.

[@JaydevRaol]

Yeah 👍

[@wallacekruk6555]

Scorsese is the youngest 77 year old person I’ve seen. I keep expecting to see a frail old man.

[@cesartheunknown9709]

If you see after Lulu gave her opinion Marty was looking at her everytime he was talking

[@lancegoodthrust546]

I'll be honest, I have zero desire to watch her film. But I agree with you that Marty really listened to her input on the whole industry. Probably made Marty a little jealous of the feeling of starting fresh.

[@Jonmad17]

Scorsese is so engaged and energetic for a man who's almost 80

[@hugoankarcrona572]

The fact that he's so involved in streaming etc is amazing. My 80 year old grandpa is barely comfortable with a computer

[@kencarson3451]

His blood is pure cocaine from the 80s

[@jumpbox3]

It comes across in the films he is making, Wolf of wall street and the Irishman. Both long run times, both sweep you up in their energy.

[@MasterAppels]

He was talking too much during the roundtable. He always felt the need to hijack the other members' stories.

[@ohyeahbuddy3325]

Master disagree

[@tarnopol]

Goddam, that Lulu Wang is the real deal: smart as hell, cares about artistic integrity, eloquent. I hope she gets to make more films her way.

[@pjgs4933]

Hell yea. Really liked hearing what she had to say. Her, Marty, and Greta were my favorites.

[@binaryvoid0101]

She's assertive but humble. Killer combination.

[@philippeh3904]

Loved that she wasn’t intimidated by these directors

[@JJJameson.]

I imagine how cool it must be when she and Barry are together

[@TheStoryteller777]

@@stephaniebrown3404 Umm... those are not movies...

[@ErickMendesMe]

One hour and five minutes ago I was like: "That's a long video, I'll just see a bit of it."

[@shabbs65]

me too.

[@ishrafaqtahir1287]

That's what I thought but ended up watching entire video.

[@mammamathews]

I thought the same thing. I just looked at the time and thought I was listening to this the whole time and really enjoying it.

[@chrismowatt423]

Joe Rogan has 3+ hr. podcasts.

[@adrianwalters5730]

Haha

[@KKG642]

Marty loves Lulu. You can tell. He totally knows her passion and her struggle and her intensity. He has lived it for 50 years.

[@zhipetr279]

I love how Martin Scorsese closely listening to Lulu.

[@Stephaniacat]

I loved that!

[@LuisMartinez-rw2lj]

zhipetr i think for him it’s looking in a mirror on how he was back in the late 60s and seventies

[@selty]

I love how he acknowledged her personal struggles as well. So many big time directors dont.

[@360.Tapestry]

@PietreADI how many have you made?

[@360.Tapestry]

@PietreADI even you say her film is good, but now claim she is more talk than substance. by your own words, i might say you have neither talk nor game and should focus more on making fabrics

[@coltonmartinez1935]

Look at these nerds geek out about something they love. The most honest roundtable filmed.

[@benjaminharris8407]

Bruh don’t call them nerds they’re geniuses

[@lipstickytoffee]

@@benjaminharris8407 'nerd' isn't an insult.

[@lizjdq]

Yeah, this roundtable is so nice

[@lehuy4278]

This is the most humble roundtable I ever seen. It seems so nice and very casual

[@zefonk]

really impressive how passionate they all talk, and with great mutual respect

[@sayedelsherif6354]

"I understand English but I don't feel English" the quote of the decade i can't agree more

[@dancemonkey118]

Who said that?

[@sofia-qv4ik]

@@dancemonkey118 Fernando Meirelles

[@kasamiro]

And the mango tree! I expected better reception to those unbelievably expressive words. Perhaps it's something that only us, non-native speakers can feel precisely.

[@tamiresdantas1030]

As a brazilian I will say: MANGUEIRA!!

[@jessica5497]

@@tamiresdantas1030 same lol Mangueira just hits different

[@francylorenagambamartinez5424]

The irony that Lulu's name is not in the title after hearing what she said about the industry. I really hope she can get to keep making movies, Farewell was a great movie that me and my mom really enjoyed, even though is 75% in chinese is so relatable to us even though we are Colombian. I love how she is so faithful to her ideas and is bringing really important points to this table!

[@eye4104]

Probably because there is a character limit on KZbin for titles

[@Hinokami73]

Also Fernando Meirelles 😢

[@Hinokami73]

​@@eye4104 put only the last name then

[@MrRacine67]

The interaction between Lulu Wang and Martin Scorsese is priceless. The new promising talent and the seasoned master talking with so much respect for each other. I could watch this forever.

[@loveanimals-0197]

"New promising talent" - you're an idiot.

[@FeiTheVillain]

@@loveanimals-0197 Idiot how?

[@laflaks]

i can see those two at a coffee shop in NY.

[@edwardde5618]

These interactions made the interview

[@thepragmaticvoice]

Scorsese has this youth like energy and passion to him when he's talking about making films, I hope he gets to make all the movies he ever wants to.

[@brandonkylemarks]

I don't think he has a backlog of dream projects left, it'll just be whichever idea strikes him best now. Last temptation, gangs of new York, Irishman, and most of all silence were the projects that he had to develop for years before they got made

[@kurokitty88]

@@brandonkylemarks I heard he wants to work on a Mike Tyson bio movie.i really want to see that,hope it does get made with him directing it.

[@prometheuszero9]

Like me, he is also a small man, and I've read that smaller people do not look as old as others, and they live longer on average. I sure hope so, since I am a pretty short guy as well :D

[@Kraisedion]

@@brandonkylemarks He has been trying to get Killers of the Flower Moon off for years, seems it may finally happen next year, and he does actually have a big backlog of projects.

[@SaskatchewanICE]

He’s always wanted to do a Frank Sinatra biopic too

[@Lucassqr]

We need one roundtable with horror directors like Robert Eggers, Ari Aster, James Wan and Jordan Peele.

[@joshuachandler989]

great idea!! im in

[@vitoriafernandes373]

YES!!!!!

[@merloaf0332]

yessss!!

[@Faydid]

Great idea

[@AndyP998]

You missed John Carpenter, not these newcomers

[@eladiopolanco8131]

This interview made me a Lulu Wang fan. You can tell it did that for the other people at that table too.

[@tarnopol]

She's smart, for sure. I'll have to check that film out.

[@thomasharayda4013]

Doug Tarnopol absolutely do it.

[@parissideris1757]

Doug Tarnopol it’s fantastic you won’t regret

[@august6389]

I'm not into her films but she seems nice

[@steelberg23]

Doug Tarnopol It’s a raw, funny, heartbreaking gem of a film. Definitely seek it out.

[@chad_bloom]

The moderator has made a real improvement in his interviewing ability, allowing more room for the conversation to breath & flow naturally. Good on 'em.

[@denyze2263]

Chad Blomme .... Yes, such good interviewing skills.

[@bobsagat122]

Yeah from the ones I've watched I agree but Id really just want to see the conversation between directors.

[@ma2443]

i noticed that on the tom hanks/shia labeouf/rob de niro interview table, hes improved a lot from his interrupting of his guests

[@UrbanDecayLova247]

Prolly got tired of the comments lol

[@ruba8861]

Yesss exactly!! I appreciate him for actually improving

[@Aa-dy8ue]

"Making a film is like having a conversation with the child we were" damn what a line

[@Natalia-un4hu]

Omg I missed it! Who said this beautiful thing?

[@gustavostella5202]

@@Natalia-un4hu Noah

[@Natalia-un4hu]

@@gustavostella5202 Thanks 🙌🏼 : )

[@NaamNamaN]

❤️❤️❤️

[@am.starzz]

it sounds like something greta would say. they are so similar.

[@chucklos391]

I wish Greta nothing but success. She’s respectful and in awe of the directors at her table. She contributed to the conversations and you could just see she is absorbing all she can. Go Greta!

[@doineedanid]

it’s cool seeing this after barbie lol she went!

[@wrightclick]

Greta is amazing! Fun fact, too: guy across the table from her (Noah Baumbach) is her romantic partner and also co-wrote Barbie!

[@hobbes4583]

Their collaboration is very fruitful, to say the least. Frances ha, Greenberg, mistress America, white noise- now barbie. I'm so happy they are mainstream now and everyone can see their genius.

[@Ella-gb7no]

@@hobbes4583 yess im so glad shes getting the attention she deserves

[@Wolfhunter5607]

wonder how narnia is going to turn out

[@Chinaski1]

Is it me or did the interviewer improve ? He doesn't interrupt anymore.

[@TheSquishySnail]

lit af , yeah definite improvement

[@TheStoryteller777]

Maybe they edited it out ... ?

[@Reionder]

It's you

[@movieclipshd2316]

maybe he got told off from past experiences

[@Retrostar619]

He's definitely gotten better. Previously, there's no way he would have listened to Lulu's closing story without interrupting.

[@impatrickt]

Please add Lulu and Fernando’s names to the title. They deserve it.

[@FramesPerSecond]

There’s a character limit to KZbin video titles.

[@anafoxx]

@@FramesPerSecond so put only their last names or soomething?

[@TheGabe473]

Upvote

[@drummerhere]

No they’re not famous enough.

[@DK_75]

No, they don't. There is a character limit and they put the best director's names in the title

[@recoveringintrovert717]

I love that Marty, once he found out that Lulu likes the Theme Park film genre, clarified that he does not feel those films are lesser. What a sweetheart

[@KrishayAgarwal]

Timestamp?

[@recoveringintrovert717]

@@KrishayAgarwal I am not watching the whole hour again. Watch the video and pay attention

[@KrishayAgarwal]

@@recoveringintrovert717 bruh I just asked a question that you can answer or ignore why you getting offended

[@recoveringintrovert717]

@@KrishayAgarwal I'm a cranky bitch. My apologies

[@fhinnes]

He never said they were less, or at least he never meant to. He is just worried because they are taking over and because movie theaters are now favoring those movies, leaving them for even a month, some even more, when other movies only get a week, barely.

[@Layla-w]

the looks of admiration and little smiles Martin Scorsese is giving Lulu is adorable love to see it

[@eye4104]

Nah

[@daArtist_]

@@eye4104 you a weirdo

[@ValadrienLeonhart]

@@eye4104 go away, you negative energy

[@SankeKamble]

Someone de-age Marty, he needs to keep on making movies.

[@SankeKamble]

@Miles Solomon I expected for a more sloppy reply.

[@CoarStolos]

The only one who can deage is marty

[@ummmdudewtf]

Don't worry his next movie comes out in 2021 and it's starring Leo and Deniro so that's going to be amazing.

[@ArcaneStar1]

he is an annoying old prick who is completely overrated and doesnt know how to converse properly.

[@votdfak]

He should retire.

[@zararafridi1051]

Lulu Wang really stood out to me in this roundtable.... Quiet, receptive, absorbs what other people say and comes up with intelligent points.... An ideal roundtable participant.... Also, The Farewell was brilliant....

[@joshberkin5567]

Wang*

[@ohwellwhateverr]

PietreADI - States that a director’s movie was good. - States that aforementioned director has a long way to go before she can be considered...um, good.

[@archer9855]

​@PietreADI why are you such a fucking stickler for punching down on Lulu Wang. You're doing it in every comment that just mentions Lulu Wang making a good movie. It's really sad. Give it up buddy

[@notproguitarist]

A few things: - Absolutely fantastic conversation. Maybe my favorite roundtable so far. - You can tell everyone there is a huuuge Scorsese fan. It's almost like they're trying to contain their excitement about doing an interview with him. - Finding out Barry Jenkins is Lulu Wang's partner was a great surprise. Can we get a Noah-Greta-Lulu-Barry roundtable? - The different backgrounds of these directors makes this conversation incredibly interesting. Fernando being a foreign director, Scorsese an icon, Lulu an incredible newcomer and so on, their perspectives are wonderful to listen to. So much talent around that table. Excited for whatever they do next.

[@Auturgist]

Yeah. Even Todd Phillips, who might have been the weakest link, still didn't feel out of place. For all the shit he'd caught on social media for JOKER and some of his comments, he shows himself to be an intelligent, thoughtful filmmaker in this interview. 👍

[@lukea.3729]

Michael J. Cassizzi Jr. You might say that, and I like that you’re at least respectful, I think Joker holds up just as well as the other films the other directors made.

[@ohwellwhateverr]

Liu Ki Boy I don’t think he meant that. Joker was a fantastic film. But a year ago, many of us would have dismissed him as just a filmmaker of sleazy comedies - because that’s what he was. Joker is a diamond amongst dirt in his credits

[@Jesse-fk3xc]

@@Auturgist lol Todd Phillips as the weakest link? so you actually thought the Farewell was a better movie than the Joker or are you just being a contrarian for the sake of it

[@Auturgist]

@@Jesse-fk3xc Firstly, you are confusing the director for the film when you assume that because I said I think Todd Phillips was the weakest link that I must think Lulu Wang's film is better than his. Don't do that. Secondly, I do think THE FAREWELL was a better film than JOKER, but really, there's not much point in discussing why because they are so very different. It's fine if you don't agree. Thirdly and finally, your condescending tone suggests to me that I'd be wasting my time further debating this with you, so I won't. Have a nice day!

[@lehuy4278]

This maybe the most humble directors roundtable ever.

[@katepenniman382]

Todd is basically fangirling professionally at Scorsese, I love that

[@loepesci5996]

Aren't we all doing the same

[@vikingbme97]

Kate Penniman if I remember correctly, Scorsese was attached to joker for a little bit as a producer. So Phillips and Scorsese probably have interacted before, but Phillips probably has an even higher level of admiration now, given that Scorsese’s influence gifted him arguably the biggest non marvel film of the year

[@gregbearne2195]

We all knew it when we saw Joker... more satisfying in person though.

[@samaelmalkira9420]

Dude basically made a crappy shot-for-shot remake of Martins much better films.

[@mator2339]

@@samaelmalkira9420 absolutely agree. He totally overdid it to the point it almost looks amateurish. Phoenix was good though.

[@fiznet2128]

could you imagine making the hangover 1-3 then making joker which leads you to sit at the same table as martin scorsese

[@firebreathercat133]

My man literally went from makin dude bro Films to making the most Oscar nominated film of 2020.

[@lickenhuntsman5338]

If you ever want to be a director, Make art movies that are also entertaining. Like Tarantino movies Bong Joon Ho movies Nolan movies Fincher movies Don't make Prentious movies like 2001 A Space Odyssey, etc., Because I can't enjoy that shit. It's a visual masterpiece with many symbolic. But I also can't re-watch that shit. Problem is whenever someone say 2001 is overrated, there are a-holes who say to watch Transformers movie and you can't understand art. Then these petty people wants to show themselves as brilliant cinephiles. So they claim they understand the movie by reading some Google sources. Report says 34% people who claim 2001, BR49, is great are just pretending. So try to make art movies that are also entertaining.

[@tadtakuma]

@@lickenhuntsman5338 "34% people who claim 2001 ... is great are just pretending." Do you have a source on that? I'm not even sure how they'd figure that number out.

[@travisscottburger5577]

Licken Hunstman that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen

[@odhrankillally7384]

@@lickenhuntsman5338 whoosh

[@jockoadams3377]

I like how Lulu Wang and Scorsese seem to be kindred spirits... they both started out making small, personal movies about family and their culture.

[@elevenseven-yq4vu]

Well observed.

[@kitcutting]

Martin Scorsese is all like “sit down, children, let me tell you the story of the good ol’ days how important it is to have dedicated friends act in your movies if you’re being underfunded”

[@anthonylarosa1155]

Noah Baumbach seems like a Wes Anderson character lmao

[@danbam3411]

Anthony Larosa he actually worked with him for The Squid and the Whale lol good movie!

[@aaron1468]

@@danbam3411 Noah also co-wrote the Fantastic Mr. Fox screenplay

[@danbam3411]

Aaron did he?? Never knew that!

[@mrsammybro1]

he co-wrote life aquatic too haha

[@danbam3411]

Sam Clark THAT’S a new one for me haha interesting!

[@gabrielborjas7923]

34:45 Lulu's answer towards the conflict generated by the director's toughness honestly blew my mind. The solution she proposed goes beyond the authority's power and tackles the problem to the core by saying "let me explain to you why this is important to me" rather than "I'm the director, do as I told you." She is incredibly smart.

[@ruly8153]

Wow I’d never think of that ?????????? 🙄

[@chrizchanang]

My favorite part of the conversation was how everyone got really excited when they were talking about the editing process. It's really wholesome to see how invested they are in their work.

[@rinzertanz]

Chris Ang ~ Editing is the thinking part of any film.

[@elfsieben1450]

@@rinzertanz So are screenwriting, blocking, angling, acting and directing. The real craft of film-making lies in composing all these things as a concerted team effort. It is a collaborative art. Editing is a process that has to do a lot with overseeing the whole, integrating and selecting scenes, finding contrasts and parallels, and crafting context, rhythm and transition, the narrative flow of the story. But without a lot of thinking going into the pre-production and production of scenes, there is not much relevant and suitable material to compose and to construe meaning and a playground for intellectual deep-diving from.

[@rebeccahopkins9522]

Could not agree with Greta more in regards to knowing cinema when you see it. There are some “cinema” experiences I’ll never forget: the first time I saw “Taxi Driver” and “Scarface”, the tragic beauty of “The Dear Hunter” and “Sophie’s Choice”, the caustic, brutal, heart wrenching “Apocalypse Now”, the paranoia inducing, hypnotic sway of beauty that is “Rosemary’s Baby”, the brilliant, intense cultural warning and insanity of “A Clockwork Orange”, the first time Uma got that needle to the heart in the film that changed cinema forever, that perfect film “Pulp Fiction”, the soul stirring, tear inducing “Braveheart”, a film that hits me hard every single time I see it, the first time I saw a Lynchian wholly original and existential work of art, which is the only way I can describe anything by David Lynch, and the first time my jaw dropped at “Alien”, which left me with a psychosomatic rumble in my stomach, and every single time since the first time that I watched anything Hitchcock. And the most recent cinema experience I’ve had, which was the entrancing, heartbreaking, edge of my seat simmer to a boil that is “Parasite”. These films have stayed with me, and will never leave me. They are art. They are cinema. They are important. If for nothing more than they allow us to dream, and for more or less two odd hours, we can lay our troubles down, and lose ourselves in that dream .

[@anantambisht4895]

This comment is underrated

[@Ellen_Seokjin]

you and I like the same films

[@bwoahviously]

Beautifully put. The best movies really do feel like dreams you don't want to wake up from

[@jackgreenway4679]

Have you watched Portrait of a Lady on Fire I would call that Cinema too.

[@pratchrp]

[@buibuddha]

3:21 Martin Scorsese: Especially King of Comedy *Looks directly at Todd Philips*

[@susfring7012]

Todd internally: "fuck"

[@maxxvii2037]

Lmaoo

[@brandonkylemarks]

Marty hasn't even seen Joker yet. And Todd later in this video says he hasn't seen Irishman yet, which seems like a lame way to answer that. I bet he watched it the day it released

[@myleswoods8371]

Brandon Marks i’m pretty sure Marty had since they’re talking about the backlash the film received on release

[@AdityaSathya]

@@brandonkylemarks Scorsese has helped Todd on the script and has given him advice as well, they dont have any bad blood between them

[@hamadsidiqui]

I understand English but I don't feel English (that's gold right there for any international director).

[@Lamidemonami7891]

Hammad Siddiqui I’m so fucking scared, I’m 18:30 seconds into this video, been scrolling through the comments a little bit and literally AS SOON as I looked down at your comment the words came out of Meirelles mouth

[@vishnu2407]

He said it so beautifully, and i loved how everyone joined in when he talked about tbe feeling that comes from his mother tongue

[@jessica5497]

As an native portuguese speaker i feel the same when i talk in english

[@theduckthreat]

I'm not English but I feel English.

[@para-yw9dn]

this literally makes so much sense.. i've lived in america for my entire life. my mom is an immigrant so i grew up speaking arabic in the house and it slowly fizzled out and i dont even know how to explain how this resonates with me. resonates with so many

[@nataliezayas-bazan9322]

Love Lulu interjecting saying she rejected the bigger offer because she didn’t want to get lost in the shuffle was a really interesting perspective that didn’t occur to me. Smart choice lulu! ETA: I laughed so hard when they talked about filming in other countries and just making an innocent comment and suddenly it happened. Speaks to the bureaucracy of the US and the red tape and rules. We need to chill out.

[@kellishere]

Natalie Zayas-Bazan the same thing happened with Crazy Rich Asians! The writer of the books, Kevin Kwan, turned down a 7-figure three picture offer from Netflix for a distribution deal with WB because he and Jon Chu KNEW how necessary it would be to have the movie released theatrically for people to see. Sometimes, art triumphs over money and it’s even more inviting when the reasoning behind the choices are for the greater good!

[@bitemelo]

She's completely right. Netflix is pushing Irishman and Marriage Story so hard that Two Popes and Dolomite is My Name are getting left out.

[@nataliezayas-bazan9322]

kellishere yeah I knew about that. Difference is ‘the farewell’ is actually a good movie. Maybe kwan should have taken the Netflix deal.

[@nataliezayas-bazan9322]

ermilo garcia I’ve seen ‘two popes’ and ‘Dolemite is my name’. They’re not good either. This year is just BAD for some reason.

[@darlington9738]

i love so much the fact that Marty nods to every sentimental thing this contemporary filmmakers explain, about how they connect their childhood and inner kid to the films they make and stuff, he just gets it all. It doesn’t matter if they are making a film in the 70’s or in 2018, the love for films is the same and they all share that in the table. It’s just magnificent

[@StephenIsTrying]

I'd pay for a roundtable just like this coming out every month.

[@GueitsProduction]

I agree ;)

[@kayessan1611]

You would have to pay

[@j.copache4788]

Don't give them ideas.

[@monkii5258]

With directors like Tarantino, Nolan and Michael Bay... would be awesome

[@ActorsWithIssuespodcast]

It sucks we only get these during awards season and then nothing for 9 months

[@musicmusic3579]

What I think look like when I speak: lulu Who I really am: Greta Haha I love them both but I know I just can’t keep up with my thoughts

[@davidsrq]

Sometimes Martin Scorsese looks like a guy pretending to be Martin Scorsese

[@appgamut9667]

Scorception

[@NBC.SATURDAY.NIGHT.LIVE.]

Scorsese is a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude !

[@JWH_Films]

Todd Philips directs movies like a guy pretending to be Martin Scorsese

[@lostsoul5848]

what does that even mean? tf

[@jadenvanhess2341]

What? 😂

[@matheuswilliam6536]

Fernando Meirelles and Scorcesse side by side, I felt honored just being able to watch this video, it was a trully an amazing experience, so proud of his work.

[@JoaoPedro-jc5fm]

Uau, so proud of Fernando Meirelles. As a Brazilian, it's amazing to see him sitted next to Martin Scorsese on a director's roundtable. And he's such a humble person also, I wish him all the success in his carreer as he wants to.

[@willspencer3610]

Greta Gerwig: *says she doesn't know then proceeds to give a perfect answer*

[@anaysayersyes]

Like every top kid in class

[@atifkhateeb6957]

@Alexander Supertramp I hope you get her back when you comeback from Alaska "supertramp".

[@pjgs4933]

Gerwig is a genius. I liked Lady Bird a lot. Little Women is almost perfect. An insane leap from strong debut to incredible second feature.

[@willspencer3610]

@@pjgs4933 I completely agree about her being a genius. She will be a legendary filmmaker in cinema history.

[@pjgs4933]

Will Spencer Yup. I cannot wait to see what she does in the future. God bless :)

[@DravicPL]

This must be the single BEST recommendation that KZbin has ever given me in my life. I did not know this exists out there. I did not expect it. I didn't even dream this would ever happen. And it actually did. And not just that, it happened in such a beautifully unrestricted way. So many directors with so many stories of so many people attached to their careers, this is incredible. Thank you for putting this out there.

[@sharonperry8978]

Ali Baba the whole series is great - love the round table videos

[@rebeccahopkins9522]

When Scorsese, Pacino, DiNero, and Pesci can’t get financing for their film, our American society of culture and art is doomed. That is just unbelievable.

[@Christopher_TG]

I think it's important to remember that film-making is still a business. Producers and studios don't finance films unless they stand a good chance of making a profit. The Irishman was an exceptionally expensive film with a production budget of about $175 million. Once you factor in the marketing budget and the cut of the box office that goes to the theaters, that movie would've had to make about $350-400 million world wide just to break even. Only one Martin Scorsese film has ever made that much money (The Wolf of Wall Street). Every other Scorsese film made less than $300 million. So, honestly, the studios were right to turn down Martin. It just doesn't make financial sense for them to put that much money into a project that almost certainly won't make back its money. Netflix themselves ended up not making all their money back on The Irishman, but they saw the movie as a prestige play, a loss-leader to get Hollywood and movie-goers to take them seriously as a producer of great films. While we all love to think of film as a pure art form that shouldn't be "corrupted" by financial considerations, film-making today wouldn't exist if it wasn't a profitable business first and foremost.

[@kcoose5356]

But the movie was ok

[@NYCDom]

Yep

[@biggboi1025]

@@Christopher_TG your right, but that's what the comment was saying . The movie doesn't make money because the American culture isn't profitable anymore to make a movie like The Irishman

[@oliveradencic396]

DiNero is what they we're lacking 😂

[@Amy-jh6br]

I have always been sooo fascinated by how Greta tries to explain her thoughts, it’s like her brain is just thinking fast and about so many things that she can’t keep up, or idk how to explain it. But I love it.

[@msmarycrawley4303]

I can relate

[@musicmusic3579]

I found her soooo endearing!

[@widM_]

Quirky is the word you're looking it.

[@Bobsend]

PietreADI So? She’s a director, not a politician.

[@ohwellwhateverr]

Amy E.23 I speak like that when nervous and it’s incredibly frustrating and draining. Nice to see that you somehow find it endearing, but it can be a nightmare for the person experiencing it.

[@Willismcnillis]

Damn, Stephen Galloway has really become a great host. Letting everyone talk and just encouraging them along is so much better than the host he once was. Kudos sir.

[@lookalivelove]

Absolutely loved the dynamic between Martin Scorsese and Lulu Wang. There was something really special every single moment whenever both responded, questioned, and reacted to each other's words. Edit: also idk but I loved how engrossed Martin Scorsese seemed w her whenever she spoke, it was a level of respect and endearment that I just loved to see between him - being someone w such a deep history and role in film - and someone comparatively new and bringing so many new perspectives into this era of film

[@Daneelro]

Totally agree. Those two were the most interesting and intelligent in the roundtable. And Lulu got Marty's attention from her first interjection about the Netflix thing. I could have listened to them for another four hours...

[@AngelPenaRamos]

We can see the kind of human being Mr.Scorsese is. He pours out love, understanding and pure joy. He just loves his work.

[@Thrillseeker8922]

Scorsese is so into every single argument. You can tell he lives and breaths filmmaking.

[@kennylaysh2776]

I hope Lulu gets a lot of projects in the future, I really liked everything she had to say here. Sometimes I wish I was rich just so I could give a person like that a full budget and say "make what you want".

[@johnlime1469]

Yea she definitely has that young energy that's about to sprout and blossom even more in the future.

[@youtubevideo7086]

I could give her a full budget,, because I know I could make more because she can a good one,,, business is business

[@merdacalcio]

They would run out of money fast

[@carlcopeland702]

She seemed more concerned about a living and impressing her parents than go through the movie pain. I mean she nearly left the industry to work in radio. I’d rather die

[@dekumir2973]

No, thanks

[@chadiwack]

Todd Philips looking at Martin Scorsese like he's a piece of steak.

[@TopStrikerMaverick]

What does that even mean? Is Todd an avid steak enthusiast?

[@moomoo1200]

It means a director who’s been making shitty comedies for the last two decades is savoring being across from a true artist.

[@TopStrikerMaverick]

moomoo1200 I was referring to his use of the word “steak.” Rather specific, coulda just said “get yourself a gal that looks at you the way Todd Phillips looks at Scorsese.”

[@loepesci5996]

@@moomoo1200 shitty comedies really he's made some of the best comedies

[@moomoo1200]

Faraz Junaid well he did make 3 hangover movies, the first of which is a decent comedy, but not top tier, and the sequels speak for themselves, also I give joker 3/5 mostly for Joaquin’s performance

[@sammymorales6838]

"The industry doesn't want my voice" - Lulu Wang that was so deep

[@drrd4127]

It's an industry so it's about money not art

[@hoc1992]

Unfortunately

[@Darfaultner]

I want her voice

[@xinhuima7154]

I love how Noah indulges Greta by saying what would Meryl say? Even though no one else seems to be interested when she went on that tangent before, so cute!

[@biketickler65]

20:11 "To what extent is art autobiographical? Noah." Noah: nervous laughter Cut to Greta Gerwig: smile disappears, slightly shakes head no

[@Tito171091]

LMFAO

[@burritogamer3984]

yeah lol it definitely felt like she was signalling to him not to dare go into any JJL stuff

[@craydogdog1530]

@@burritogamer3984 What's JJL?

[@Dragownage]

Craydog Doctordroobe Jennifer Jason-Leigh, Noah’s ex-wife

[@jp.dlamini]

The editing is insane in this episode.

[@vitoriaboff1060]

Fernando Meirelles seems like such a sweet guy

[@andim.8788]

He does not feel english

[@GabrielBandini2024]

@@andim.8788 he's brazilian sweet

[@bernardocarneiro1982]

andile majozi he is brazilian bro. And his movie City of God is one of the best movies of all time,atleast on the top 200

[@rickardkaufman3988]

@@bernardocarneiro1982 Agreed.

[@102haussmann]

He is very kind im brazilian and love to hear him in português

[@shemphoward666]

scorsese should be nominated to "best person of all time"

[@ruly8153]

This round table has 5 geniuses and Todd Philips

[@CianHamilton]

The great thing about gathering these incredible filmmakers around a table is that they say all the things they wouldn’t say in a one on one interview. They all have things in common, things they didn’t even know they had in common. Now they can bounce off each other and discuss the art of filmmaking rather than the business of filmmaking. They discuss philosophy rather than method. Great video!

[@reedstoltz5112]

Martin Scorsese is always looking at Lulu wang like he remembers exactly what she’s talking about

[@TimelesslyModern]

Could you imagine this legend giving you "I stan your career" vibes? Damn...

[@Armentitron]

He's always been a major supporter of young film-makers. That's the best type of icon who uses their clout to encourage young talent

[@danielritchie7758]

Really appreciated having Fernando Meirelles at this table. It was lovely to get perspective from a director who isn't as integrated into mainstream/American cinema as the other participants. Kept the discussion fresh

[@SleepFan771]

Lulu Wang is just so resonant. I love hearing her and Greta Gerwig talk about cinema. They bring such a fresh perspective and voice. Always glad to hear Martin Scorsese & Noah Baumbach.

[@politiksispoker2362]

Asian director (Lulu) and the Brazilian one seem to put integrity and cinema before money , they have this cool thing about them like they give zero fucks? LOL loved them and maybe a foreign table with directors doing US movies would be very interesting like the Brazilian guy said: they think less about being loved by the industry and more about the movies they make

[@fernandadealencar1158]

i love the chaotic energy from greta. i can relate. too many thoughts, just one mouth.

[@Ella-gb7no]

no really thats why i love her, her personality is so great and relatable to me, im such an introvert but i feel like i would have no problem having a nice long conversation with gerwig because we're the same

[@craigcloud2556]

I came here for Greta Gerwig as I find her work fascinating and wanted to know more about her thought processes. I left as a new Lulu Wang fan and will be checking out her work now

[@chrisrevel2801]

lol

[@wofaieloma3358]

Craig Cloud ikr I like lulu

[@lassanai583]

Greta is a great director however she takes an extremely long time to make a point.

[@m0niKaLe]

same!!

[@banshee-fck]

+ Lulu is a great storyteller and I like her personality

[@thefilmseeker]

You can tell Noah is a writer's writer with all his quick wits.

[@joachimpersonal5830]

Marty keeps looking at Lulu like he's seeing a bit of him in her

[@gabrielborjas7923]

Yes, indeed

[@DonVal86]

Joachim Constantine She wishes.

[@sharathsh9987]

Bit of a stretch lol

[@lizlemon3698]

I like dat

[@cdubbart]

It's possible for a master director to see themselves in one with less experience, divorced from that newcomer's catalog.

[@chrisgomez215]

Lulu and Marty were diving into something there at the end that needed it’s own video. Marty’s experience and wisdom really takes hold.

[@samantacarvalho8669]

I love how Fernando Meirelles brings editing up and everyone gets on board with it. As a Brazilian and a Cinema geek, I'm so glad that even though Fernando Meirelles consider himself as an outsider he still manages to access Hollywood, and to work with amazing actors without losing his roots. 💚💛

[@luzoliveira9920]

And he is very underrated over here. For a director of his caliber, is insane

[@okapibibi]

É claro que ele consegue se enturmar em Hollywood. Ele é da elite brasileira. Os Meirelles são podres de ricos, do nível de terem sangue azul. Pessoas como eles conseguem qualquer coisa, apesar de ele ainda se sentir acanhado de estar ao lado de grandiosos como o Scorcese

[@k____5697]

Lulu is smart. She made some good points. Can’t wait to see her work.

[@alexandredo5142]

18:30 Fernando perfectly summarized why it is so hard for foreign filmmakers to last in hollywood. It's easy to communicate in english, but if you don't "feel" the language, it's 10 times as hard.

[@thereseember2800]

They’re all so receptive, polite & selflessly generous with one another. Wonderful.

[@gigifristachi]

You can feel the passion oozing off of Greta when she speaks about the intimacy of putting yourself into your creative work. She’s precious to film making. I’m so impressed with her knowledge and articulation.

[@mondomacabromajor5731]

Lulu Wang nailed that entire room of directors ... a name to watch ...

[@pjgs4933]

Yup. The Farewell was a great film. Really excited to see what she does in the future

[@jmcman6104]

You could tell Scorsese was thinking the same thing, I think he sees himself in her experience so far as a filmmaker, as if he remembers being where she is now.

[@havelockv728]

She's whipsmart, her view on building a brand is spot on

[@dekumir2973]

Nah, she was suck

[@sbasi2739]

@@dekumir2973 learn English, what you wrote does not make sense

[@disco-luna]

I loved this roundtable! It felt so much better and natural without that many interruptions from Steven. His persistence in asking all the questions on the script would really stop the flow of conversations. This roundtable seemed to have fewer questions asked, but we got more extended conversations and exchanges between the guests.

[@porrapandaa]

Luna yes! and I think that the exchanges between guests are the point of this video, anyway

[@RWMendez01]

I just finished watching Lulu Wang’s “The Farewell” and was so moved by the end I’m so happy she got this opportunity it was well earned!

[@hunterdean4766]

Did anyone notice the look that Gerwig gave to Baumbach when he was asked about his movies being autobiographical? It was hilarious.

[@moonsun-cr1ts]

she literally shook her head lmfaoo

[@hunterdean4766]

@@moonsun-cr1ts Exactly. She gave him that "You better not say what I think you're going to say" look.

[@vivianmiller5939]

haha I came to the comments to see if anyone else noticed the headshake at 20:16

[@TheRobloxianTacoLord]

I don't understand?

[@Lamidemonami7891]

fraz they’re married

[@jaycartwright5333]

If tarantino was there, no one else would get a word in.

[@calvinnigh5489]

You said it perfectly

[@jbasti227]

He's a great director, but yeah you're absolutely right 😂

[@darthvader6916]

That’s why he was not there 😂😂

[@collybeans586]

Chill with the tribalism pls. yuck

[@mrzacco7950]

That’s what happened a few years ago

[@jenniferariesta6635]

Both Noah and Lulu’s points about distributions are accurate. Fascinating arguments!

[@mayday9273]

43:36 Marty looks between them and just knows they're great for each other

[@m_aggie]

i love how scorsese calls the movie a 'picture'

[@mohamedashian604]

Because that’s exactly what they are and he calls them that out love for them

[@seanjohn2312]

And I like how Spike Lee calls his movies a joint.

[@brunoactis1104]

@@mohamedashian604 Isn't it more because of the time he was born into? Nobody uses that term anymore nowadays,no matter how much they love cinema.

[@mohamedashian604]

Bruno Torres Scorsese does and when you think back to the early days of film they were really just moving pictures

[@krishnasampath7984]

Oscar gives for Best Picture not Best movie so that's the reason why Endgame James Bond those kind of theme park films don't make it to Oscars

[@Darinsss]

I'm 30 mins in but I think Galloway has improved. This is a great roundtable so far.

[@DocAlchemist]

Take it back...

[@ronicave8522]

Actually I think this is an overall improvement, at least it seems that he's interrupting is less or does it in a less annoying way.

[@steelberg23]

He strikes me as a guy who reads criticism and uses it to improve.

[@oxsila]

@@steelberg23 This channel seems to be a bit more prestigious than others and have many important guests. Which confuses me as to someone who seems to have had as little social knowledge as steven was still allowed the job? If he had to improve so much, why did they allow him to do it when plenty other people who are far better at letting conversations flow could do it. *insert rage here*

[@MyPimpinAfro14]

@@oxsila he's the senior editor of Hollywood reporter. He probably elected himself

[@familyoostveentroiano7750]

"I have not figured out my voice yet.....".......beautiful said by Lulu Wang. That´s an artist in making. If you can say that you are a humble equally ambitious personality. Bravo!

[@anj4222]

This could go on for hours and I would never get bored. It's refreshing how they genuinely listen to what each have to say and I just feel like they are somewhat learning from one another.

[@loganstewart1845]

*sees Martin Scorsese at table Interviewer: Great what is cinema? Greta Girwig: JESUS

[@augustosarmentodeoliveira3023]

and then she talks about faith

[@erwinmadelung1529]

It's a question that puts everyone on a spot I guess. The best "answer" I know isn't from an interview or a theoretical piece of writing but from the Kazan movie The Last Tycoon. Have a look at the scene: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKDcnmNum7uCoaM

[@cjwoderstruck425]

I think he said her name, but not great, it's Greta

[@sieekakhan6761]

But she's right though. You'll know it when you see it. You will just know it

[@jibm4402]

@@sieekakhan6761 if you know it when you see it then you'd be able to define it, or even describe it.

[@Cuponoodles]

wish bong joon-ho could've been on that table

[@samkemakhoba7981]

OH MY GOSH!!! YES YES YES!!!

[@Marbletrain60GR]

He doesn’t speak that much english lmfao

[@Goldmanvision]

Instead of Todd Phillips, absolutely.

[@SX1995able]

I wish Tarantino or Safdies were there

[@samkemakhoba7981]

@@Marbletrain60GR true!! but hollywood can afford a translator. Besides... his translator is ALWAYS on point.

[@lakshmanparthiban1339]

Marty is a genius he adapts to the situation and the era and makes films accordingly

[@ajaysaiMB]

No lol he does the exact opposite. He makes movies on his own terms without caring about how people will perceive it. He is unapologetic that way. It just so happens that his movies appeal to people from various generations. That's why he is the greatest of all time.

[@geoghoul]

He actually does the opposite

[@gsixuwlj]

Ajay Kumar I agree. If anything, I feel like Spielberg is the only director from the ‘New Hollywood’ era that’s been able to adapt his work in this new generation of stories and moviemaking.

[@lakshmanparthiban1339]

What I mean is him using the newer technologies like de-aging and mastery of any genre and making it lucrative for upcoming generations too and making himself to fit in this era and have his own style of filmmaking that appeals, as far as adaption there is no specific way it is always development I mean upgrading

[@SOak145]

@@ajaysaiMB Nah, he's not the greatest of all time.

[@stephengibbons2260]

Find someone who looks at you the way Todd Phillips looks at Scorsese

[@crazytidy2426]

I mean joker which was directed by Phillips is strikingly similar to Scorsese’s taxi driver.

[@kentuckyfriedchildren5385]

Nobody wants to be looked at as a friend by a potential romantic partner (i assume you meant a romantic partner)

[@ironheart191]

oh that cracked me up soo bad... my ear's hurting from laffing so loud!

[@zrg00]

find a movie that looks at you the way joker looks at taxi driver

[@mator2339]

Todd Philips is a hack. Totally overdid the Joker. Phoenix was good though.

[@adithyamenon5207]

Plot twist: Tarantino is filming the roundtable, fanboy-ing over all of em.

[@800Ms-k6n]

Tarantino is under the table admiring their foots especially Greta and Lulu's foot lol

[@mrxcs]

Martin Scorsese is still energetic as a 20 years old director, that's incredible.

[@alexandrak.5991]

This was an exceptional round table. All of these directors are so good at knowing when to engage and when to just sit back and listen. I really love when you’re able to watch a conversation as if you’re there. They all offered so much!♥️

[@tarnopol]

Gerwig is particularly intelligent; will have to see that film.

[@binaryvoid0101]

I would have been good without Todd Phillips. He's good but not THAT good.

[@binaryvoid0101]

No need to take it personally, elliepopcorn. It’s just the truth.

[@binaryvoid0101]

You saw my vagina-looking avatar and “binary” in my name and assumed I’m part of a _Twitter-gang._ Sounds like it’s you that is having “imaginary personal feelings for people that you don’t even know.” 😂 You’re simply projecting, my friend.

[@doc8013]

@@binaryvoid0101 that's not why he thought you were in Twitter gang, it was your ridiculous presumption that Phillips doesn't belong at the same table as a female director who.just shot her first movie, a female director who just finished her second movie, and her boyfriend who is known for being a writer not a director. Phillips made one of the best movies of the year and most talked about movie of the last few decades. He's also had an academy award nomination for writing. He's earned his keep and should be given some respect.

[@MrRuggero95]

It's wonderful how everyone looked and listened to Scorsese, like he's an old sage

[@Daneelro]

Yet it's funny that of all the legends in The Irishman (Scorsese, De Niro, Pacino, Pesci and Keitel), Scorsese makes the most youthful impression. The guy is a burning genius and still sharp.

[@MrRuggero95]

@@Daneelro totally agree

[@marykmaloney]

I remember Andrew Garfield said about him in an interview about how he’s such an “elder” people look to in the film community.

[@mmitchek5]

It’s crazy… I’m currently sitting in the production office working as a PA on Martin’s new film. I’ve never wanted anything other than to be a film director. Hearing him and all of them speak is so amazing. I was born to be a director and all of what they say makes so much sense to me and I clearly understand every facet of what they say. They all feel so far away and I want to be just like them. It’s my purpose/dream to be sitting at that round table one day… inspiring others.

[@barry2349]

Hey dude inspiring actor here let me know when you need an actor for the role

[@Blisterdude123]

I like that because Greta didn't chime in as much in the group conversations, they would all be patient and let her speak when she had something to say in relation to a topic addressed directly to her. This was a fascinating way to spend an hour. Some of the greatest talents in cinema, old and new.

[@michaelcain9324]

Lulu’s last story of how she felt making a story purely for herself instead of making a story by committee was so stirring.

[@catharine7077]

You can tell that Todd Phillips is completely enthralled by Martin Scorsese after all Joker is such a love letter to Taxi Driver and King of Comedy.

[@booper6451]

I don't know about love letter, maybe rip off is fair.

[@Lamidemonami7891]

Calling Joker a love letter to those films is like saying GVS’s Psycho was a love letter to Hitchcock’s.

[@Midv1322]

Yea a love letter is a nice way to put it.

[@the_creed7969]

BILL NYE the ILLUMINATI SPY Ah come on. Calling Joker a “rip off” is a tad disingenuous. It was a film clearly inspired by Taxi Driver and KoC as far as the base premise is concerned (wannabe comedian/mentally ill loner detaches from reality and retreats into the world of his own neuroses), but Joker is clearly its own thing.

[@CK-ceekay]

@@the_creed7969 True, you can break down any films to make them look like rip-offs. At least they were honest about their inspiration

[@jennamorehouse376]

This is my favorite Directors Roundtable so far all of them are so distinct and hold their own wisdom no matter where they are in their career.